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Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (3 Viewers)

One thing no one has talked about, supposedly the mom who brought the kid to the doc did it for a regular checkup and saw nothing wrong with the switching. And supposedly the kid got switched with an extension cord. And Peterson, who has supposedly been very forthwright thus far, claims he never used an extension cord. Meaning, some of those marks on the kid may be from someone else (the mother?).

Hopefully this gets figured out soon for the kid's sake. If the mom is doing it just as much as Peterson was, that needs to stop too.
I won't go that far in speculating but there are still a lot of things that we don't, and shouldn't, know at this point. People read the texts and see the pictures, evidence that has been ILLEGALY leaked, and form their own conclusions but the legal system we have in this country is in place for a reason and there are professionals investigating the case who I can only hope will get some needed answers. What is the full context of the quotes that outlets have reported from the 4 year old child, what does the mother and Peterson's other children have to say. There is a lot more to this then just seeing some photos and interpreting text messages.

I think we can all agree that what Peterson did was wrong, but there is a lot of room for disagreement on the degree to which he was wrong and what should happen next. We would all do well to remember that our own experiences and biases shape our opinions and that reasonable people can have different opinions on the same situation.

I remember getting spankings and whoopins as a kid. I even remember having to pick out my own switch one time though I don't remember ever getting hit with it. I do remember a few spankings with a belt around the ages of 4/5 to about 7 but I think my dad realized that there were other more effective forms of punishment. The one lasting memory I have of spankings though is when I was about 6 or 7 and my sister, who is 6 years older than me, and I had gotten into trouble for something. My dad had instructed us to both bend over our parent's bed as he was going to spank us with his belt. Without any communication between the two of us, my sister and I both instinctively moved our hips forward to prepare for the spanking and my dad just stopped and laugh. We then all went downstairs to the kitchen and he made us crepes. True story and one that my sister and I talk about to this day, almost 30 years later.

All that to say that I was raised where spankings and whoopins were a part of child rearing. I have spanked my daughter, who is now 6, with an open hand a couple of times and probably threatened her with a belt once or twice, but I've realized that form punishment doesn't work for me and my family so we do things differently. Based on postings a lot of people weren't raised like I was and think that it's wrong, period. So to them Peterson's actions are even more egregious. That's fine but it's still perfectly legal and widely accepted in certain communities.

Again, I think Peterson was dead wrong in this incident. He obviously went too far and has, and will, face some consequences for his actions. But I'm not ready to demonize him yet. I read the texts very differently than many others. To me they portray a guy who disciplining his child in a manner that he thought appropriate at the time and didnt realize the switch was wrapping around and catching the child on the front side or doing as much damage as it was really doing. He said he felt so bad about it afterwards and that he was reconsidering use of the switch and more use of "timeouts" as opposed to physical punishment. Obviously he needs to do more than reconsider. This incident should have shown him that using a switch is no longer appropriate, especially with a 4 year old. He needs to attend some parenting classes and receive counseling and perhaps limited/supervised visits with this particular child for determined length of time. I don't think jail time or a lengthy suspension serve any purpose here based on what I know at this time.

So while what he did was wrong, I'm not going to sit here and say it was criminally wrong. That's what the legal process is for. And at this point I don't think he should be disciplined for the league beyond a game or two. But on the heels of the Rice situation the media is having a feeding frenzy. And the moral crusaders of the internet want to see who can shout the loudest and point their fingers the best and demand their pound of flesh. So that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The NFL and Vikings are in a tough spot because of the news cycle and there will be calls, as many here have already started, for Peterson to face a lengthy, indefinite, or even lifetime, ban. But in this case, unlike with Ray Rice, I think there will also be much more of a backlash from certain people and groups if the NFL comes down really hard here. They will see it as an overreaching judgement of what many people still believe is a biblically supported way to raise their children. Just as many will see the lack of a stiff punishment as an endorsement of child abuse. Both sides are off base in that regard but it doesn't matter because everyone wants to voice their opinion just like yours truly.

I just think there's a lot more gray here than many want to admit. An isolated act, if that's what this is, of a parent going too far in physical discipline, does not merit the kind of punishment I'm seeing suggested here and elsewhere IMHO.

 
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I'd be SHOCKED if the NFL doesn't step in and suspend Peterson. The Vikings should be ashamed of themselves.
Kind of what I'm thinking too. But that's gonna be tough for them to do right now, considering the Ray Rice appeal situation. Goodell really needs to be careful and stick to the rules and precedent here if he doesn't want yet ANOTHER #### storm on his hands.

 
I'd be SHOCKED if the NFL doesn't step in and suspend Peterson. The Vikings should be ashamed of themselves.
Kind of what I'm thinking too. But that's gonna be tough for them to do right now, considering the Ray Rice appeal situation. Goodell really needs to be careful and stick to the rules and precedent here if he doesn't want yet ANOTHER #### storm on his hands.
Peterson should send Rice a thank you card for the appeal.

 
How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.

 
One thing no one has talked about, supposedly the mom who brought the kid to the doc did it for a regular checkup and saw nothing wrong with the switching. And supposedly the kid got switched with an extension cord. And Peterson, who has supposedly been very forthwright thus far, claims he never used an extension cord. Meaning, some of those marks on the kid may be from someone else (the mother?).

Hopefully this gets figured out soon for the kid's sake. If the mom is doing it just as much as Peterson was, that needs to stop too.
At the minimum, the mother is definitely aware that the switching is going on and seems to have no objection to it. The possibility of her being also active in dealing out the punishment is the reason why due process exists. Thank you for bringing up this point.

 
How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.
:lmao:

 
I am all for due process, but what Peterson has admitted to is inexcusable

if his money, fame, and lawyers convince a jury otherwise it does not change that point.

he deserves his due process by law, there is no law that says an employer has to let this man represent them to the public. The NFL and the Vikings could easily suspend him based on his admissions if they chose to.

 
Remember, Ray Rice went to "trial" and agreed to a plea, basically. A pre-trial intervention program. That was his punishment, his agreement, etc. Therefore he had already gone through due process when the NFL suspended him. AP has not had that opportunity yet - only been indicted.

 
i'm frankly stunned he will be playing, thats what i get for spending FAAB on asiata.... i didnt see any way around the 6 game suspension given recent events

 
How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.
:lmao:
Says the guy who picked up Asiata? Lol just kidding man. Trying to inject some levity.

 
How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.
:lmao:
Says the guy who picked up Asiata? Lol just kidding man. Trying to inject some levity.
I don't have either ... but its about time the morality police were silenced for a bit. Let see this play out before we start the stoning process. One grand jury decline to indict, another did indict. Clearly reasonable minds can differ on this case.

Personally, I think Peterson could use some parenting classes, but I think much of the story has been blown a bit out of proportion.

 
Remember, Ray Rice went to "trial" and agreed to a plea, basically. A pre-trial intervention program. That was his punishment, his agreement, etc. Therefore he had already gone through due process when the NFL suspended him. AP has not had that opportunity yet - only been indicted.
So where was Big Ben's indictment?

 
I am also stunned that he was reactivated by the Vikings. We all know that the NFL is going to suspend him but in the meantime, he should have remained deactivated. I hope a PR storm rains down on them.

 
Remember, Ray Rice went to "trial" and agreed to a plea, basically. A pre-trial intervention program. That was his punishment, his agreement, etc. Therefore he had already gone through due process when the NFL suspended him. AP has not had that opportunity yet - only been indicted.
Correct, it is too early to act on this. Let's be honest, if the Ray Rice situation didn't exist, everyone would be saying they need to wait out the legal process. But now he should be immediately suspended indefinitely?

 
Remember, Ray Rice went to "trial" and agreed to a plea, basically. A pre-trial intervention program. That was his punishment, his agreement, etc. Therefore he had already gone through due process when the NFL suspended him. AP has not had that opportunity yet - only been indicted.
So where was Big Ben's indictment?
I don't know much about Ben's case. Don't remember, and never looked into it much. But obviously this is a different NFL right now after the Ray Rice incident, and thanks to his appeal, I think you'll see the league handling this very carefully.

 
Wow just wow. I can't help but think if he wasn't the best player on the team and they hadn't gotten blown out on Sun., the Vikes would've handled this differently.

 
How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.
:lmao:
Says the guy who picked up Asiata? Lol just kidding man. Trying to inject some levity.
I don't have either ... but its about time the morality police were silenced for a bit. Let see this play out before we start the stoning process. One grand jury decline to indict, another did indict. Clearly reasonable minds can differ on this case.

Personally, I think Peterson could use some parenting classes, but I think much of the story has been blown a bit out of proportion.
This is not true according to the DA. Only one grand jury in this case. They indicted.

Will be very interesting to see how the NFL decides to act on this. Obviously they have different motivations than that of the Vikings.

 
Wow just wow. I can't help but think if he wasn't the best player on the team and they hadn't gotten blown out on Sun., the Vikes would've handled this differently.
That's very possibly true. On the other hand, I can't help but think that if there had been no Ray Rice videotape released last week, YOUR response to this reinstatement would have been very different.

 
Remember, Ray Rice went to "trial" and agreed to a plea, basically. A pre-trial intervention program. That was his punishment, his agreement, etc. Therefore he had already gone through due process when the NFL suspended him. AP has not had that opportunity yet - only been indicted.
Correct, it is too early to act on this. Let's be honest, if the Ray Rice situation didn't exist, everyone would be saying they need to wait out the legal process. But now he should be immediately suspended indefinitely?
No idea why anyone believes this. The court of public opinion moves too quickly for that to be true.

Someone brought up Big Ben, which is a great example of the NFL moving further and faster than the courts. He was suspended 4 games (originally announced as 6) despite never being charged with a crime.

 
One thing no one has talked about, supposedly the mom who brought the kid to the doc did it for a regular checkup and saw nothing wrong with the switching. And supposedly the kid got switched with an extension cord. And Peterson, who has supposedly been very forthwright thus far, claims he never used an extension cord. Meaning, some of those marks on the kid may be from someone else (the mother?).

Hopefully this gets figured out soon for the kid's sake. If the mom is doing it just as much as Peterson was, that needs to stop too.
Do you have a link on the use of an extension cord? I've only seen that police asked Peterson if he used one and he said no, but not that they have physical evidence one was used.
Nope. Read it somewhere. And no idea if its true or not, hence me using the word supposedly.

I'm just thinking this kid may be getting beat by mommy too, based upon some stuff I've read. Poor guy.

 
While I don't condone anything that Peterson, Rice, nor anyone else from a domestic abuse standpoint (I think it's deplorable); I think it's time that the NFL take a step back and let the courts figure it out. If and when someone is found guilty, they impose the adequate penalty at that time.

Because of all the recent "media outrage", the NFL has now become both a football league & a court of law.

I understand that the NFL is in the entertainment business and a big part of that is ratings & the public putting their hard earned $$ into the business in the form of ticket sales, viewership, merchandise, etc..., but at some point they need to understand that as a whole, innocent until proven guilty should be the standard and that it's not up to them to decide the fate of someone; it's the justice system's.

Again, please don't let this post construe in any way that I think it's ok what these players did, just that it shouldnt be the NFL jumping in before the courts do.

 
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How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.
:lmao:
Says the guy who picked up Asiata? Lol just kidding man. Trying to inject some levity.
I don't have either ... but its about time the morality police were silenced for a bit. Let see this play out before we start the stoning process. One grand jury decline to indict, another did indict. Clearly reasonable minds can differ on this case.

Personally, I think Peterson could use some parenting classes, but I think much of the story has been blown a bit out of proportion.
the reasonable minds that matter are the league and the vikings, they do not have to worry what the reasonable minds of the jury think

the bar for throwing a man in jail is much higher than the bar should be for choosing to not let a man represent your business

it is also their choiuce to wait...and they have made that choice. There is not, however, anything inherently fairer about that, to me, if you think the man's own admissions make him guilty of something you do not want your business to represent.

 
In a way this makes sense.

• The court of public opinion is reactionary and without accountability.

• This is different from the Ray Rice case. Nobody can even debate Ray Rice punching his fiance and nobody did last week.

• However with ADP's case, two athletes did just that this weekend– Cris Carter and Charles Barkley. I respectfully disagree with Sir Charles but very respectfully. And I feel that Cris Carter's response is absolutely some of the best and most sincere commentary on this topic. That said, it's a sensitive issue and one that desperately needs some consistency in the legal sphere.

• There has to be a line and that line cannot be crossed without consequences. That's what the trial's for- how do we limit those who can punish and how do we hold them accountable. It's a subject that can be discussed as parents, police (Ferguson) and government (Guantanamo).

• I have a personal opinion but I'm glad my opinion doesn't result in a verdict.

 
While I don't condone anything that Peterson, Rice, nor anyone else from a domestic abuse standpoint (I think it's deplorable); I think it's time that the NFL take a step back and let the courts figure it out. If and when someone is found guilty, they impose the adequate penalty at that time.

Because of all the recent "media outrage", the NFL has now become both a football league & a court of law.

I understand that the NFL is in the entertainment business and a big part of that is ratings & the public putting their hard earned $$ into the business in the form of ticket sales, viewership, merchandise, etc..., but at some point they need to understand that as a whole, innocent until proven guilty should be the standard and that it's not up to them to decide the fate of someone; it's the justice system's.

Again, please don't let this post construe in any way that I think it's ok what these players did, just that it shouldnt be the NFL jumping in before the courts do.
There are 8 million things i can do that won;t get me convicted that will get me fired.

Media Outrage is a product of media exposure, which makes the NFL BILLIONS of dollars. People have the right to let the NFL know what they should do, consider it instant market research

 
One thing no one has talked about, supposedly the mom who brought the kid to the doc did it for a regular checkup and saw nothing wrong with the switching. And supposedly the kid got switched with an extension cord. And Peterson, who has supposedly been very forthwright thus far, claims he never used an extension cord. Meaning, some of those marks on the kid may be from someone else (the mother?).

Hopefully this gets figured out soon for the kid's sake. If the mom is doing it just as much as Peterson was, that needs to stop too.
Do you have a link on the use of an extension cord? I've only seen that police asked Peterson if he used one and he said no, but not that they have physical evidence one was used.
Nope. Read it somewhere. And no idea if its true or not, hence me using the word supposedly.

I'm just thinking this kid may be getting beat by mommy too, based upon some stuff I've read. Poor guy.
There was one mark that lead to the extension cord question. It could have been from the switch incident, just more prominent for whatever reason.

And I think we need to tap the brakes on the mom speculation. Why would Peterson quickly text her "you're going to be mad at me about his leg" if she was doling out the same type of punishment?

 
One thing no one has talked about, supposedly the mom who brought the kid to the doc did it for a regular checkup and saw nothing wrong with the switching. And supposedly the kid got switched with an extension cord. And Peterson, who has supposedly been very forthwright thus far, claims he never used an extension cord. Meaning, some of those marks on the kid may be from someone else (the mother?).

Hopefully this gets figured out soon for the kid's sake. If the mom is doing it just as much as Peterson was, that needs to stop too.
Do you have a link on the use of an extension cord? I've only seen that police asked Peterson if he used one and he said no, but not that they have physical evidence one was used.
Nope. Read it somewhere. And no idea if its true or not, hence me using the word supposedly.

I'm just thinking this kid may be getting beat by mommy too, based upon some stuff I've read. Poor guy.
There was one mark that lead to the extension cord question. It could have been from the switch incident, just more prominent for whatever reason.

And I think we need to tap the brakes on the mom speculation. Why would Peterson quickly text her "you're going to be mad at me about his leg" if she was doling out the same type of punishment?
that's a great reason for the courts to pump the breaks

she does not represent the NFL

based on AP's own comments and the comments of the kid the nfl has enough to act if they choose to

 
Hopefully the NFL steps in....the thought of him receiving a standing ovation from the home crowd at some point will be nauseating...but that's reality.

 
It's a joke. The whole damn thing. The NFL, the criminal justice system, people in general... Bottom line, people need to see a ####### video in order to comprehend anything these days.

 
While I don't condone anything that Peterson, Rice, nor anyone else from a domestic abuse standpoint (I think it's deplorable); I think it's time that the NFL take a step back and let the courts figure it out. If and when someone is found guilty, they impose the adequate penalty at that time.

Because of all the recent "media outrage", the NFL has now become both a football league & a court of law.

I understand that the NFL is in the entertainment business and a big part of that is ratings & the public putting their hard earned $$ into the business in the form of ticket sales, viewership, merchandise, etc..., but at some point they need to understand that as a whole, innocent until proven guilty should be the standard and that it's not up to them to decide the fate of someone; it's the justice system's.

Again, please don't let this post construe in any way that I think it's ok what these players did, just that it shouldnt be the NFL jumping in before the courts do.
There are 8 million things i can do that won;t get me convicted that will get me fired.

Media Outrage is a product of media exposure, which makes the NFL BILLIONS of dollars. People have the right to let the NFL know what they should do, consider it instant market research
:goodposting:

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a court thing, not a business thing. Peterson admitted to "whooping" the boy. The NFL could decide that admission coupled with the pictures is enough. There's no reason they need a Texas court to decide.

 
What would probably help is if the NFL stopped moving the goal posts on how it handles situations where law enforcement is involved. Because otherwise, you will see more of this preferential treatment that some seem to get. Perhaps, and this is just a thought, there should be a mandatory suspension (with pay) for any violent crime where charges are brought. Are innocent players going to miss time because of that? Yes. But considering that innocent people have been put to death in this country, it's small potatoes in comparison.

Also, I'm already hearing rumblings that Peterson may try to assert his religious freedom in not "sparing the rod" with the child. That would turn what it already a poop-storm into a giant catastrophe.

 
Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

 
How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.
:lmao:
Says the guy who picked up Asiata? Lol just kidding man. Trying to inject some levity.
I don't have either ... but its about time the morality police were silenced for a bit. Let see this play out before we start the stoning process. One grand jury decline to indict, another did indict. Clearly reasonable minds can differ on this case.

Personally, I think Peterson could use some parenting classes, but I think much of the story has been blown a bit out of proportion.
the reasonable minds that matter are the league and the vikings, they do not have to worry what the reasonable minds of the jury think

the bar for throwing a man in jail is much higher than the bar should be for choosing to not let a man represent your business

it is also their choiuce to wait...and they have made that choice. There is not, however, anything inherently fairer about that, to me, if you think the man's own admissions make him guilty of something you do not want your business to represent.
I agree - and if the NFL steps in here, that is their prerogative also.

I guess I just look at Peterson, and I don't see bad intent here. Bad execution, but in his mind it was appropriate discipline. In the spectrum of discipline, this is clearly on one side - opposite of "do nothing" there is a blurry line where it crosses into child abuse - I don't draw a bright line distinction at bruise marks and breaking skin. Its not a choice I would make, but I don't assume that it was done with bad intent based on the result.

You punch someone, man or woman, it is done with bad intent.

Peterson should get parenting classes, Rice should go to anger management classes, and he and his wife should be in counseling - if for no other reason than to give her someone she can trust if she feels insecure in the relationship. I think there are far worse people in the NFL - on a moral scoreboard - than either of these two - who both need to learn from their actions - but I don't see a history of bad behavior in either player.

I should not have to say this, but I don't have either player, I don't particularly care if they play again. I do somewhat oppose mob justice, even if it may be justified in some cases...

 
It's a joke. The whole damn thing. The NFL, the criminal justice system, people in general... Bottom line, people need to see a ####### video in order to comprehend anything these days.
I imagine most of us would feel ashamed of something we have done or will do if there was a camera on us at all times.

 
My only question(s):

What's changed? Why didn't they play him yesterday?
Well, one he had to fly down to texas to be charged/booked. And, two, I am sure they wanted to hear from the NFL and Peterson on this...very easy in this environment to simply say, we'll deactivate now, with pay, and figure things out rather than make a pre-mature judgement one way or the other.

 

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