Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (2 Viewers)

[Omniscient Deity]

My only question(s):

What's changed? Why didn't they play him yesterday?

Well, one he had to fly down to texas to be charged/booked. And, two, I am sure they wanted to hear from the NFL and Peterson on this...very easy in this environment to simply say, we'll deactivate now, with pay, and figure things out rather than make a pre-mature judgement one way or the other.

My bad, haven't actually read the statement have only seen Tweets. Thanks for clarification.

 

[B-Deep]

How could the NFL allow this publicity nightmare?

The man stuffed leaves in a child's mouth and hit that naked child with a branch of a tree until he bled + Josh Gordon misses an entire season for smoking a joint. Really?

The NFL must step in and suspend Peterson or they are going to look like enablers.

Says the guy who picked up Asiata? Lol just kidding man. Trying to inject some levity.

I don't have either ... but its about time the morality police were silenced for a bit. Let see this play out before we start the stoning process. One grand jury decline to indict, another did indict. Clearly reasonable minds can differ on this case.

Personally, I think Peterson could use some parenting classes, but I think much of the story has been blown a bit out of proportion.

the reasonable minds that matter are the league and the vikings, they do not have to worry what the reasonable minds of the jury think

the bar for throwing a man in jail is much higher than the bar should be for choosing to not let a man represent your business

it is also their choiuce to wait...and they have made that choice. There is not, however, anything inherently fairer about that, to me, if you think the man's own admissions make him guilty of something you do not want your business to represent.

I agree - and if the NFL steps in here, that is their prerogative also.

I guess I just look at Peterson, and I don't see bad intent here. Bad execution, but in his mind it was appropriate discipline. In the spectrum of discipline, this is clearly on one side - opposite of "do nothing" there is a blurry line where it crosses into child abuse - I don't draw a bright line distinction at bruise marks and breaking skin. Its not a choice I would make, but I don't assume that it was done with bad intent based on the result.

You punch someone, man or woman, it is done with bad intent.

Peterson should get parenting classes, Rice should go to anger management classes, and he and his wife should be in counseling - if for no other reason than to give her someone she can trust if she feels insecure in the relationship. I think there are far worse people in the NFL - on a moral scoreboard - than either of these two - who both need to learn from their actions - but I don't see a history of bad behavior in either player.

I should not have to say this, but I don't have either player, I don't particularly care if they play again. I do somewhat oppose mob justice, even if it may be justified in some cases...

i do not particularly care what his intent was

what he described was wrong.

Now I am not surprised the nfl decided to wait, and honestly i will not crucify them for it. But if the public that spends billions on their enterprise wants to that's their right and that's what the NFL has to struggle with. I truly believe this is mostly a monetary calculation for them. Will peterson cost them more than he brings in any scenario

 

[B-Deep]

btw

there's something special about a person who has fathered 7 kids with 4 women using the bible as his public defense in a child abuse matter.

i think there is one rod he certainly should have spared a time or two

 

[PhantomJB]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

This is the right thing to do. But Goodell will not do it. Why? Because doing so will then pit him against the owners in addition to the players and the public. He is would then be fighting a war on three fronts. The dude is toast.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

Couldn't agree more. The NFL does not need to wait for the legal due process to play out.

Lawyers in this country are professionals at delaying court proceedings. It wouldn't be shocking to see this get to court in 2016. During that entire time, Adrian Peterson will have been representing the Vikings and the NFL. The Vikings don't seem to mind having this guy represent their organization. It will be interesting to see if the NFL feels the same way.

 

[Saboo]

The Vikings are enabling child abusers by allowing AP back on the field so soon.

Make no mistake that pulling down a 4 year old babies pants, stuffing leafs in his mouth, hitting the child with a tree branch so hard to draw blood + damage the child's genitals is child abuse plain and simple...

The NFL must step in and take some action against Peterson or they risk losing all credibility.

 

[chinawildman]

I remember seeing a poll on a SB Nation Vikings post on whether Peterson should be given a second chance. It was overwhelmingly in favor of AP (around 77% at the time). Yes I realize they're Vikings fans, but this just shows that his actions are publicly viewed by most as more forgivable than that of Rice's. No matter how personally outraged you are, this is the state of public opinion.

There is already a discussion regarding church vs. state regarding government intervention with parental discipline. I really don't see Goodell putting the NFL into the ring as well. Sure there is a question of morality here, but there is also a cultural question as well. Just because the NFL isn't doing what you agree with, doesn't mean it's doing the wrong thing.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

actually hes admitted to disciplining his child, its up to the legal system to determine if it was abuse. Sad but true.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I remember seeing a poll on a SB Nation Vikings post on whether Peterson should be given a second chance. It was overwhelmingly in favor of AP (around 77% at the time). Yes I realize they're Vikings fans, but this just shows that his actions are publicly viewed by most as more forgivable than that of Rice's. No matter how personally outraged you are, this is the state of public opinion.

There is already a discussion regarding church vs. state regarding government intervention with parental discipline. I really don't see Goodell putting the NFL into the ring as well. Sure there is a question of morality here, but there is also a cultural question as well. Just because the NFL isn't doing what you agree with, doesn't mean it's doing the wrong thing.

We have yet to hear from the NFL on this. The Vikings have laid out their plan. Two separate entities, with two separate agendas.

 

[meatwad1]

Well, looks like I was wrong about the punishment...Goodel has to know that if pics ever leak, it will cause a major sh*tstorm.

 

[hotlanta]

It's a joke. The whole damn thing. The NFL, the criminal justice system, people in general... Bottom line, people need to see a ####### video in order to comprehend anything these days.

Yep. You would think the pictures are more than enough.

 

[B-Deep]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

actually hes admitted to disciplining his child, its up to the legal system to determine if it was abuse. Sad but true.

no

it is up to each person who hears about it. each and every one of those viewers and sponsors who make the nfl so much money

the legal system just decides if he suffers a criminal punishment for it

 

[VaTerp]

I remember seeing a poll on a SB Nation Vikings post on whether Peterson should be given a second chance. It was overwhelmingly in favor of AP (around 77% at the time). Yes I realize they're Vikings fans, but this just shows that his actions are publicly viewed by most as more forgivable than that of Rice's. No matter how personally outraged you are, this is the state of public opinion.

There is already a discussion regarding church vs. state regarding government intervention with parental discipline. I really don't see Goodell putting the NFL into the ring as well. Sure there is a question of morality here, but there is also a cultural question as well. Just because the NFL isn't doing what you agree with, doesn't mean it's doing the wrong thing.

Couldn't agree more.

But the "outraged" want their pound of flesh. Let's see who puts their money where there mouth is and stops watching/supporting the Vikings and/or the league. Most will forget about this in a few weeks until the next opportunity to express their outrage comes along. Then they will again blame the NFL for societal problems that have existed since the beginning of time.

 

[twistd]

btw

there's something special about a person who has fathered 7 kids with 4 women using the bible as his public defense in a child abuse matter.

i think there is one rod he certainly should have spared a time or two

 

[KellysHeroes]

honestly, if Goodell didn't prevent Hardy from playing after listening to that 911 call, reading her statements and the already being found guilty he has no right to touch Peterson.

 

[LawFitz]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

 

[chinawildman]

I remember seeing a poll on a SB Nation Vikings post on whether Peterson should be given a second chance. It was overwhelmingly in favor of AP (around 77% at the time). Yes I realize they're Vikings fans, but this just shows that his actions are publicly viewed by most as more forgivable than that of Rice's. No matter how personally outraged you are, this is the state of public opinion.

There is already a discussion regarding church vs. state regarding government intervention with parental discipline. I really don't see Goodell putting the NFL into the ring as well. Sure there is a question of morality here, but there is also a cultural question as well. Just because the NFL isn't doing what you agree with, doesn't mean it's doing the wrong thing.

We have yet to hear from the NFL on this. The Vikings have laid out their plan. Two separate entities, with two separate agendas.

Well so far they've done nothing, which seems to be pissing people off.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

again, hes only admitted to discipline not abuse.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

honestly, if Goodell didn't prevent Hardy from playing after listening to that 911 call, reading her statements and the already being found guilty he has no right to touch Peterson.

Exactly.

 

[VaTerp]

I remember seeing a poll on a SB Nation Vikings post on whether Peterson should be given a second chance. It was overwhelmingly in favor of AP (around 77% at the time). Yes I realize they're Vikings fans, but this just shows that his actions are publicly viewed by most as more forgivable than that of Rice's. No matter how personally outraged you are, this is the state of public opinion.

There is already a discussion regarding church vs. state regarding government intervention with parental discipline. I really don't see Goodell putting the NFL into the ring as well. Sure there is a question of morality here, but there is also a cultural question as well. Just because the NFL isn't doing what you agree with, doesn't mean it's doing the wrong thing.

We have yet to hear from the NFL on this. The Vikings have laid out their plan. Two separate entities, with two separate agendas.

True and there's a very real possibility of discipline from the league office, though, my guess would be it's not until after the legal process plays out.

But do we think the Vikings make this statement without having a good indication from the league about what it was going to do in terms of immediate action? I don't think so. But with all that's gone on recently, I wouldn't be terrible surprised either way.

 

[timschochet]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

actually hes admitted to disciplining his child, its up to the legal system to determine if it was abuse. Sad but true.

He admitted to beating his child. I never mentioned abuse.

 

[General Tso]

It's a joke. The whole damn thing. The NFL, the criminal justice system, people in general... Bottom line, people need to see a ####### video in order to comprehend anything these days.

I imagine most of us would feel ashamed of something we have done or will do if there was a camera on us at all times.

I agree with this as well. It's a conundrum.

 

[B-Deep]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

again, hes only admitted to discipline not abuse.

he's admitted to actions

which he has admitted went to far and injured his child

 

[General Tso]

btw

there's something special about a person who has fathered 7 kids with 4 women using the bible as his public defense in a child abuse matter.

i think there is one rod he certainly should have spared a time or two

My nomination for Post of the Year Award. Outstanding.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

again, hes only admitted to discipline not abuse.

he's admitted to actions

which he has admitted went to far and injured his child

According to you. How about letting a jury with all of the information decide?

 

[Autumn Wind]

What boggles my mind is that if Peterson's SO showed up to a doctor with those marks on her, we would be having a very different conversation. Why on earth is it more OK that this was done to a child?

And at the risk of sounding like an elitist snob - people from the South should stop using their cultural upbringing as an excuse for switching. It really doesn't help the stereotype of that region being backwards and provincial.

 

[Bojang0301]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

And he would still look like an idiot. It needs to stop. The NFL is not the moral compass for the US and all sports associated with it. The owners need to quickly implement a policy that states when a player can or cannot be suspended based off conviction in the US criminal process and whether they want to take a stand on other items that don't go that far such as DUI's. Then stand by it and make it transparent to the players/teams/public. Remove or minimize the judge/jury/executioner power the commish has to an idependent commitee that may involve the commish.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Call me crazy.. but I think the league has gone way over the top on suspending players. Let the law take care of legal matters. It should up to the teams whether or not they want to play/cut/sit/suspend their own players based on how they are affecting the team itself.

The NFL is trying to become a secondary arm of the judicial system, and it's getting out of control.

Even with Ray Rice... he's obviously a woman beating piece of trash. However, if he isn't in prison and he is allowed to hold a job... then there is no reason why a team shouldn't be allowed to hire and play him as they see fit. It falls on the team if that causes a backlash with their own fans/community. I think it was perfectly acceptable for the Ravens to release him, but I think it is absurd for the NFL to suspend him indefinitely afterward. I won't even get into the fact that this came after they only gave him a 2 game suspension for the same crime. As if they aren't capable of comprehending what a man knocking a woman unconscious was like until they saw a video. This is an example of why this type of secondary judge and jury system doesn't work.

Now the NFL wants to look into how a man disciplines his children? I certainly don't agree with what Peterson did, and I don't even spank my kids. However... once again I think that this is an obvious case where the legal system is already involved and the NFL should step out of the situation and let matters be taken care of by the due process of law.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

actually hes admitted to disciplining his child, its up to the legal system to determine if it was abuse. Sad but true.

He admitted to beating his child. I never mentioned abuse.

Beating your child - within reason - is allowed in Texas.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

What boggles my mind is that if Peterson's SO showed up to a doctor with those marks on her, we would be having a very different conversation. Why on earth is it more OK that this was done to a child?

And at the risk of sounding like an elitist snob - people from the South should stop using their cultural upbringing as an excuse for switching. It really doesn't help the stereotype of that region being backwards and provincial.

Because of the law.

 

[Bojang0301]

Call me crazy.. but I think the league has gone way over the top on suspending players. Let the law take care of legal matters. It should up to the teams whether or not they want to play/cut/sit/suspend their own players based on how they are affecting the team itself.

The NFL is trying to become a secondary arm of the judicial system, and it's getting out of control.

Even with Ray Rice... he's obviously woman beating piece of trash. However, if he isn't in prison and he is allowed to hold a job... then their is no reason why a team shouldn't be allowed to hire and play him as they see fit. It falls on the team if that causes a backlash with their own fans/community. I think it was perfectly acceptable for the Ravens to release him, but I think it is absurd for the NFL to suspend him indefinitely afterward. I won't even get into the fact that this came after they only gave him a 2 game suspension for the same crime. As if they aren't capable of comprehending what a man knocking a woman unconscious was like until they saw a video. This is an example of why this type of secondary

Now NFL wants to look into how man disciplines his children? I certainly don't agree with Peterson did, and I don't even spank my kids. However... once again I think that this is an obvious case where the legal system is already involved and the NFL should step out of the situation and let matters be taken care of by the due process of law.

Agreed and it's part of the reason the game is watered down right now.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I remember seeing a poll on a SB Nation Vikings post on whether Peterson should be given a second chance. It was overwhelmingly in favor of AP (around 77% at the time). Yes I realize they're Vikings fans, but this just shows that his actions are publicly viewed by most as more forgivable than that of Rice's. No matter how personally outraged you are, this is the state of public opinion.

There is already a discussion regarding church vs. state regarding government intervention with parental discipline. I really don't see Goodell putting the NFL into the ring as well. Sure there is a question of morality here, but there is also a cultural question as well. Just because the NFL isn't doing what you agree with, doesn't mean it's doing the wrong thing.

We have yet to hear from the NFL on this. The Vikings have laid out their plan. Two separate entities, with two separate agendas.

True and there's a very real possibility of discipline from the league office, though, my guess would be it's not until after the legal process plays out.

But do we think the Vikings make this statement without having a good indication from the league about what it was going to do in terms of immediate action? I don't think so. But with all that's gone on recently, I wouldn't be terrible surprised either way.

I'm sure there's been a number of conversations between the league office and the Vikings. However, we have no idea how those conversations went. The Vikings could very well be doing this in defiance of the wishes of the league office.

 

[Shutout]

Is what we are seeing a case of "Talent trumps everything"?

You have a Ray Rice where opinion is he is fading and he's exiled. You have a Peterson whom is thought of as being a dominant talent and he's playing.

Admission and photographic evidence is available in both cases.

I understand the Vikes and Niners saying "let due process role" but some organizations (and the NFL is one of them) have rules in place to protect image and perception. So, the only issue I see here is you have an NFL that is always about image that cites, in their own words, concern about public reaction to certain negative actions. So are they saying that physical harm to a child is no big deal compared to physical harm to a spouse?

When Rice was kicked out there were a lot of people saying things similar to "can you imagine the reaction of fans by women if Rice was allowed to play". Do Minnesotans not care about their children all of a sudden?

Public opinion is often a driving force and it can be premature and wrong and all those things just as easily as it can be timely and right. But you have to imagine that by Peterson saying he did it, combined with photos, has already engrained a perception with some people...and now he's going to be out there on the field.

Very interesting situation to follow in a venue that is so watched and popular.

 

[B-Deep]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

again, hes only admitted to discipline not abuse.

he's admitted to actions

which he has admitted went to far and injured his child

According to you. How about letting a jury with all of the information decide?

or letting his employer decide

again, there is no god given right in america to only be fired or disciplined at work when a jury of your peers decides you are guilty of a crime

if i get drunk and take a #### on my bosses hood i am going to get fired regardless of any legal process.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Child abuse of a 4 year old with pictures of scars left by a foreign object means you miss 1 game.

Punch a woman who later marries you and takes some of the responsibility (right or wrong) and you get suspended indefinitely after already being given your punishment and will be the face of domestic violence and hatred as if he is the worse man in the world.

for the league.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

again, hes only admitted to discipline not abuse.

he's admitted to actions

which he has admitted went to far and injured his child

According to you. How about letting a jury with all of the information decide?

hes admitted to hitting the child as a form of discipline. Hes not guilty of anything until the legal system says he is, that is how it works in this country.

Do I think he abused his child / children, YES!!! Do I want to see him punished, YES!!!

Once the system takes it course he will be punished.

 

[chinawildman]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

Cute. The reality of that statement is...

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But I saw some tweets from someone who supposedly leaked pictures from a police report, and also read some blogs about how someone heard that the 4 year old kid said that Peterson hit him in the face and stuffed leaves in his mouth. So I'm overriding the Vikings (whom have seen the same pictures and read the same stuff) because I feel differently about it... well because I just do, those are my morals."

There's a very good reason hearsay and its exceptions make up a significant portion of evidentiary law. Most reasons are to prevent premature and inaccurate judgmental conclusions like yours.

 

[B-Deep]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

again, hes only admitted to discipline not abuse.

he's admitted to actions

which he has admitted went to far and injured his child

According to you. How about letting a jury with all of the information decide?

hes admitted to hitting the child as a form of discipline. Hes not guilty of anything until the legal system says he is, that is how it works in this country.

Do I think he abused his child / children, YES!!! Do I want to see him punished, YES!!!

Once the system takes it course he will be punished.

His employer does not have to wait to punish him

if you punched your boss in the face, would they wait till your assault case was adjudicated before firing you?

How about if you got caught having sex with the 16 year old daughter of a client? Until such time as you are convicted you'd still be gainfully employed?

In this case if the NFL deems his conduct was wrong, and more importantly to them deems that his presence is a black mark on their league that could impact their bottom line, they have every right to discipline him, regardless of what Texas ultimately decides.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

prevent premature and inaccurate judgmental conclusions like yours.

This is how Tim rolls.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

His employer does not have to wait to punish him

if you punched your boss in the face, would they wait till your assault case was adjudicated before firing you?

How about if you got caught having sex with the 16 year old daughter of a client? Until such time as you are convicted you'd still be gainfully employed?

In this case if the NFL deems his conduct was wrong, and more importantly to them deems that his presence is a black mark on their league that could impact their bottom line, they have every right to discipline him, regardless of what Texas ultimately decides.

Peterson was not caught in the act like the two examples you gave and they are also illegal under any circumstance. What we have are illegally leaked photos and words that are supposedly those of his son.

 

[Shutout]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

Cute. The reality of that statement is...

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But I saw some tweets from someone who supposedly leaked pictures from a police report, and also read some blogs about how someone heard that the 4 year old kid said that Peterson hit him in the face and stuffed leaves in his mouth. So I'm overriding the Vikings (whom have seen the same pictures and read the same stuff) because I feel differently about it... well because I just do, those are my morals."

There's a very good reason hearsay and its exceptions make up a significant portion of evidentiary law. Most reasons are to prevent premature and inaccurate judgmental conclusions like yours.

Part of a commissioner's role is to intercede in cases where bias or conflicting interests may exist.

Clearly, the Vikings are both in this case. There is real money, etc on the line here. Even in a $25 fantasy league, I doubt you will see any owner impose a suspension on Peterson if he plays next Sunday because they know the same thing the real Vikings do: His presence increases my chances of winning and earning more money.

Sometimes you need an unbiased opinion that looks at the entirety and not just the one. That is one of the roles of the commissioner.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

btw

there's something special about a person who has fathered 7 kids with 4 women using the bible as his public defense in a child abuse matter.

i think there is one rod he certainly should have spared a time or two

 

[Shutout]

Based on AP's admissions so far, I predict the NFL will suspend him six games and that it will happen this week.

again, hes only admitted to discipline not abuse.

he's admitted to actions

which he has admitted went to far and injured his child

According to you. How about letting a jury with all of the information decide?

hes admitted to hitting the child as a form of discipline. Hes not guilty of anything until the legal system says he is, that is how it works in this country.

Do I think he abused his child / children, YES!!! Do I want to see him punished, YES!!!

Once the system takes it course he will be punished.

His employer does not have to wait to punish him

if you punched your boss in the face, would they wait till your assault case was adjudicated before firing you?

How about if you got caught having sex with the 16 year old daughter of a client? Until such time as you are convicted you'd still be gainfully employed?

In this case if the NFL deems his conduct was wrong, and more importantly to them deems that his presence is a black mark on their league that could impact their bottom line, they have every right to discipline him, regardless of what Texas ultimately decides.

Depends. If you work for a car dealership and get arrested for drinking and driving, you might keep working until your case comes up and they say "15 day incarceration."

However, if you work in a day care and get child protective services called on you, they probably, at a minimum, suspend you with or without pay until the legal aspect is investigated because of the potential repercussions (you couldn't employ a child caregiver and later find out they are found guilty for something so close to the nature of the work, almost like a banker arrested for stealing money).

This could go either way but it seems like as NFL conscious as the NFL is they have to be a little concerned about public image here.

 

[VaTerp]

Is what we are seeing a case of "Talent trumps everything"?

You have a Ray Rice where opinion is he is fading and he's exiled. You have a Peterson whom is thought of as being a dominant talent and he's playing.

Admission and photographic evidence is available in both cases.

I understand the Vikes and Niners saying "let due process role" but some organizations (and the NFL is one of them) have rules in place to protect image and perception. So, the only issue I see here is you have an NFL that is always about image that cites, in their own words, concern about public reaction to certain negative actions. So are they saying that physical harm to a child is no big deal compared to physical harm to a spouse?

When Rice was kicked out there were a lot of people saying things similar to "can you imagine the reaction of fans by women if Rice was allowed to play". Do Minnesotans not care about their children all of a sudden?

Public opinion is often a driving force and it can be premature and wrong and all those things just as easily as it can be timely and right. But you have to imagine that by Peterson saying he did it, combined with photos, has already engrained a perception with some people...and now he's going to be out there on the field.

Very interesting situation to follow in a venue that is so watched and popular.

I think it's undeniable that talent is always a consideration to a degree. Always has been and always will be.

But I also think, as I've said throughout this thread, that there is a serious case of what chinawildman has repeatedly referenced as the false-consensus effect going on here.

The Ray Rice situation is much more black and white than Adrian Peterson's situation, no matter how much people in this thread fail to recognize it. I don't pretend to know the numbers but there are A LOT more people willing to give Adrian Peterson the benefit of the doubt over Rice based solely on the difference in how they view the situations. And I'm one of them.

Reverse the situations and I'd have nothing to say on Peterson being done for the year and I would think it ridiculous that people were calling for Rice's head. You don't have to agree but the situations are very very different in my eyes and the eyes of many.

 

[chinawildman]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

Cute. The reality of that statement is...

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But I saw some tweets from someone who supposedly leaked pictures from a police report, and also read some blogs about how someone heard that the 4 year old kid said that Peterson hit him in the face and stuffed leaves in his mouth. So I'm overriding the Vikings (whom have seen the same pictures and read the same stuff) because I feel differently about it... well because I just do, those are my morals."

There's a very good reason hearsay and its exceptions make up a significant portion of evidentiary law. Most reasons are to prevent premature and inaccurate judgmental conclusions like yours.

Part of a commissioner's role is to intercede in cases where bias or conflicting interests may exist.

Clearly, the Vikings are both in this case. There is real money, etc on the line here. Even in a $25 fantasy league, I doubt you will see any owner impose a suspension on Peterson if he plays next Sunday because they know the same thing the real Vikings do: His presence increases my chances of winning and earning more money.

Sometimes you need an unbiased opinion that looks at the entirety and not just the one. That is one of the roles of the commissioner.

Agreed, but that wasn't the point of my sarcasm.

It could be said that a judge occupies that same role. And yet there are very clear and defined rules for how a judge must operate to prevent them from dictating from the seat of their moral convictions. There are those on this forum whom apparently do not have such rules and believe what they've seen thusfar on the internet to be the truth.

Thank goodness our judicial system, and hopefully the NFL, have higher standards.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

The Ray Rice situation is much more black and white than Adrian Peterson's situation, no matter how much people in this thread fail to recognize it. I don't pretend to know the numbers but there are A LOT more people willing to give Adrian Peterson the benefit of the doubt over Rice based solely on the difference in how they view the situations. And I'm one of them.

I gave Rice the benefit of the doubt because many things could have happened to justify what he did. When the video came out that was the end.

For Peterson I believe like everyone else that what he did was wrong but it's a gray area because of the law in Texas.

 

[fourd]

The Ray Rice situation is much more black and white than Adrian Peterson's situation, no matter how much people in this thread fail to recognize it. I don't pretend to know the numbers but there are A LOT more people willing to give Adrian Peterson the benefit of the doubt over Rice based solely on the difference in how they view the situations. And I'm one of them.

I gave Rice the benefit of the doubt because many things could have happened to justify what he did. When the video came out that was the end.

For Peterson I believe like everyone else that what he did was wrong but it's a gray area because of the law in Texas.

Name one.

 

[chinawildman]

The Ray Rice situation is much more black and white than Adrian Peterson's situation, no matter how much people in this thread fail to recognize it. I don't pretend to know the numbers but there are A LOT more people willing to give Adrian Peterson the benefit of the doubt over Rice based solely on the difference in how they view the situations. And I'm one of them.

I gave Rice the benefit of the doubt because many things could have happened to justify what he did. When the video came out that was the end.

For Peterson I believe like everyone else that what he did was wrong but it's a gray area because of the law in Texas.

Name one.

What if she had repeated punched him the face during arguments, and finally he just had enough?

 

[Autumn Wind]

The Ray Rice situation is much more black and white than Adrian Peterson's situation, no matter how much people in this thread fail to recognize it. I don't pretend to know the numbers but there are A LOT more people willing to give Adrian Peterson the benefit of the doubt over Rice based solely on the difference in how they view the situations. And I'm one of them.

I gave Rice the benefit of the doubt because many things could have happened to justify what he did. When the video came out that was the end.

For Peterson I believe like everyone else that what he did was wrong but it's a gray area because of the law in Texas.

Name one.

What if she had repeated punched him the face during arguments, and finally he just had enough?

You don't think a man of his strength should be able to restrain her without resorting to a right hook?

 

[VaTerp]

The Ray Rice situation is much more black and white than Adrian Peterson's situation, no matter how much people in this thread fail to recognize it. I don't pretend to know the numbers but there are A LOT more people willing to give Adrian Peterson the benefit of the doubt over Rice based solely on the difference in how they view the situations. And I'm one of them.

I gave Rice the benefit of the doubt because many things could have happened to justify what he did. When the video came out that was the end.

For Peterson I believe like everyone else that what he did was wrong but it's a gray area because of the law in Texas.

Name one.

What if she had repeated punched him the face during arguments, and finally he just had enough?

Still would not have "justified" it but it certainly would have mitigated how negatively I viewed his actions. There were reports that she spit on him and was assaulting him first. The video clearly shows Rice dropping her with a hook and his immediate reaction afterward suggest, at least to me, that this was not the first time they'd had that sort of violent interaction. It's very different than how I imagined the scenario in my mind and right or wrong, it's why many people had a much more pronounced reaction to the video than they did before it came out.