Johnny Blood
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So this second case is like when Janay Rice's head accidentally hit the elevator?
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Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (2 Viewers)
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PatsWillWin
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The Radisson has issued a statement announcing that they are suspending their sponsorship relationship with the Minnesota Vikings.
ROYALWITCHEESE
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General Tso
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Actually, Neitzsche is probably very appropo in this thread:
The guy hated Christianity and hated morality. And he died an insane, lonely man.
Neofight
Footballguy
I was just giving AP the benefit of the doubt that he was following Texas child safety laws for car seats. Should I have assumed he wouldn't strap his kid in and, if so, why?
chinawildman
Footballguy
AFAICR I posted an article from SI giving a legal perspective on the AP case and some poll results in response to another question. I'm more talking about the fact that "flash news" media are so quick to print that they care little about the accuracy of their stories. Then they print a retract hours or days later, but most people only remember the first impression. I've felt this way about internet media for quite some time now, this whole Peterson debacle is another shining example of that.
snogger
Footballguy
I love how you continue to dam all NFL players over the acts of the few.. bet your profession has some bad eggs also so should we lump you in with them ?
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Neofight
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HUGE. I actually noticed their logo today on the Vikings background banner during the press conference. Funny how that works.This is not over, not by a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if by tomorrow night at this time the Vikings have reversed course again and suspended him indefinitely.
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Johnny Blood
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So sad, I wonder what Nietzsche would say about them falling prey to our TMZ Web 2.0 instant gratification society.
. Perhaps there was another child (that this one cussed at according to the earlier report) in the child seat? I don't know nor do you. My point is that there is too little info given to conclude what you did.
Neofight
Footballguy
I'm not disagreeing with you that journalism is in dire straights, and investigative journalism nearly dead... but you cherry-picked from the TMZ post just a few messages upstream in this convo. So, that's like, you know, not cool man.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Looks like they're going to be talking about the "new developments" during halftime.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
You mean the latest scholarly results on the distinction between Nietzche's loathing of St. Paul but grudging respect for Christ himself?
Avery
Footballguy
There is a Free for All message board here. Perhaps you should check it out.
Furthermore, the "world" doesn't begin and end at this message board. Football talk can, but not the "world" of your social interactions.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Not a lawyer but couldn't Peterson sue that Houston TV station for slander.
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Neofight
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I'm just looking out for AP man. They were in the car when AP hit the child (according to the reports). If the 4 year old wasn't in a forward facing car seat, Adrian Peterson could get himself into real trouble.
For sure.
Adrian admitted to whooping the boy and said the scar was caused by him hitting his head on a car seat. He never said he hit the kids head, this unlike the previous incident where he openly stated he hit the kid with a switch so I think this distinction is important. He did say if the boy had taking his whooping he'd have been alright, which might just mean the boy tried to dodge AP's backhand and hit his head on a carseat. That's speculative on my part, but point is in his previous incident he admitted being the direct cause of the injuries, not this time.
I'm seeing several headlines saying AP under second investigation. This headline is only accurate if that investigation was never closed. That case was reviewed by CPC and as far as anyone knows nothing came of it. Big difference between WAS and IS. If it WAS investigated and CPC chose not to pursue it they might have had facts which indicated it was not worth pursuing. Does not mean they won't re-open it, if in fact they closed it, based on the switching case but it does mean something that CPC took no action from something I believe was reported to them back in June. They tend to act a little more quickly than that if they have reason to believe the parent will be around his children.
Don't get me wrong, I'm worried, but a whole lot of jumping to conclusions going on in the social media world.
kingmalaki
Footballguy
Rusty Hardin, lawyer for Adrian Peterson: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. The allegation is more than one year old and authorities took no action. An adult witness admittedly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son."
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
The witness was Charles Barkley, unfortunately.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I am a child abuse apologist because I posted the part of the article that absolves, instead of condemning him? Don't you think that part of the article is actually the most important part of the article? In fact I would say without that update, the entire article would read completely different.
I've read alot of your FF stuff, and it's usually on point. Makes me wonder how you can be so tunnel-visioned on this whole Peterson thing.
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I actually agree with you on that end. I hate the fact that modern society shines a light on everyone's personal life (particularly athletes) to the extent it does. I certainly wouldn't want everything I ever did wrong to be broadcast to the whole world. I'm not perfect, not do I claim to be.But the NFL is a runaway train right now. Incident after incident of outrageous, unacceptable violence - against women and children no less. And the management team is completely incapable of doing the right thing. Everything is based on the bottom line. Yah, I understand its a business, but it's a very unique business that has a huge impact on setting the mores of our society. My kid has a poster of Adrian Peterson on his wall - not a Direct of Product Development from some financial services company.I love how you continue to dam all NFL players over the acts of the few.. bet your profession has some bad eggs also so should we lump you in with them ?
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
Reserving judgment on what? Whether his alleged statements and texts are accurate? Neither he nor the Vikings denied that. If they are accurate that is sufficient for me to want him off the field. I don't care what Texas law states. If they weren't accurate that would've obviously been part of Peterson or Spielman's statements. So what's your point?
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Neofight
Footballguy
chinawildman
Footballguy
Dude did you read the actual article that was linked. What I "cherry picked" was their own update on an article SSND posted earlier, which basically is a retraction of the entire article".
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Some BS gets vomitted onto the internet, they clean it up, but the smell is still there. I know this is the shark pool and all but this frenzy is getting a bit ridiculous.
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Dippa
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My proposed new legal system may have found it's first corporate sponsor...Radisson!
In all seriousness though, the Radisson thing is kind of a big deal IMO. It's easy for the Vikings to say they'll let the process play out, but not so much if they are losing significant money because of it.
Avery
Footballguy
Mob mentality and the TMZ court of law doesn't sit well with me. Beyond this case looking at future incidents of code of conduct policy, it would set a terrible and frightening precedent for NFL suspensions.
That's my point.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
Sounds like some posters need a whooping!
tone1oc
Footballguy
Its terrible to think of a world that people could get suspended for maming their children.
Neofight
Footballguy
Yes I did. And yes, you did.
Avery
Footballguy
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Something tells me that Radisson sponsorship cut came up because of the pics used of Vikings GM in articles and huge Radisson logo in background. Never good marketing to have the logo blazing like that in the background.
Like this one: http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/radisson-suspends-minnesota-vikings-sponsorship-deal-091514
Like this one: http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/radisson-suspends-minnesota-vikings-sponsorship-deal-091514
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No thanks. The FFA is a train wreck. It's like 4chan or Reddit. AP made this a football story. It's a story that at its core centers on corporal punishment and what is acceptable or unacceptable in the public's eye. Ultimately it is this debate that will dictate if and when AP plays in the NFL again.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
Hey just remember this principle: if it's legal in Texas, it can't effect your job!
Go in to work tomorrow and tell everyone you use the bible as toilet paper and whip four year olds. Tell your boss that you wouldn't have scarred the kid if he had taken it like a man. Burn an American flag. They can't touch you! Confused? Read Nietzsche.
Go in to work tomorrow and tell everyone you use the bible as toilet paper and whip four year olds. Tell your boss that you wouldn't have scarred the kid if he had taken it like a man. Burn an American flag. They can't touch you! Confused? Read Nietzsche.
Avery
Footballguy
I get that.
But when the "discussion" deteriorates to calling people "child abuse apologists", I think the football part of this discussion has jumped the shark (pun intended).
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
He is and there are pictures to prove it.
Its almost embarrassing to defend a child abuser when evidence exists along with his own admission. Him thinking its appropriate or Texas law does not mean treatment of a child like that is not abuse. States have a lot of crazy laws that are still on the books.
Proust Loves Cake
Footballguy
That four-year-old kid generated quite a scar from a padded child seat. But, you know, if that's the story, that's the story.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Unfortunately no.
I would argue that slander and libel laws need to be revised to account for the speed at which information is propagated in this day and age...
but some would read that to mean I advocate child abuse so forget it.
Neofight
Footballguy
Yes, I read the article. It doesn't refute the point that Peterson struck the child and that the child's head was bleeding, which Peterson attributed to the child doing it to himself (before admitting to hitting him). You omitted the portion where it states Peterson admitted to hitting him via a text to the child's mother. So yeah, that seems selective to me; thus "yes, you did."
Proust Loves Cake
Footballguy
Exactly. That's how slavery and Jim Crow and lynching stayed alive for so long. If laws allow for abuse and torture of children, then the laws and the culture supporting those laws absolutely has to change. From the few here apologizing for child a users, it does seem like this will take longer than I would have initially thought. But, it has to start somewhere, and I do hope the disgusting nature of AP's abuse of his kids helps stimulate some change in a positive direction.
Neofight
Footballguy
Why unfortunately?
elshagon
Footballguy
Here's a link to the Vikings message board:
http://vikingsmessageboard.com/
For those who don't want to click:
Shut downVikings Message Board has been shut down permanently. It will not return. There are two primary reasons.
1. The Vikings cowardly decision to reinstate a child abuser and think that an apology will make this blow over. We will not stand for this arrogance and we will no longer be the home of any support of the Vikings. We stand for those who cannot defend themselves.
2. We will not give a voice to those who think child abuse is "cultural" or worse, openly advocate child abuse as a reasonable method of punishment. This ends here. Yes, a few board members have ruined it for everyone. Congratulations, a**h**les.
edit: we have replaced the word "thugs" with "those" to avoid any potential racial connotation. it wasn't intended and appears to be distracting from the real message that child abuse is never okay.
http://vikingsmessageboard.com/
For those who don't want to click:
Shut downVikings Message Board has been shut down permanently. It will not return. There are two primary reasons.
1. The Vikings cowardly decision to reinstate a child abuser and think that an apology will make this blow over. We will not stand for this arrogance and we will no longer be the home of any support of the Vikings. We stand for those who cannot defend themselves.
2. We will not give a voice to those who think child abuse is "cultural" or worse, openly advocate child abuse as a reasonable method of punishment. This ends here. Yes, a few board members have ruined it for everyone. Congratulations, a**h**les.
edit: we have replaced the word "thugs" with "those" to avoid any potential racial connotation. it wasn't intended and appears to be distracting from the real message that child abuse is never okay.
