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Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (1 Viewer)

Wow...reading this thread...I'll say this, and then probably be done with it:

I don't condone that kind of punishment, but I also do believe that Peterson believed he was doing right by his son, and has likely already learned his lesson there (that it isn't right). He'll face both legal and professional consequences, I don't see the need to rush to judgement.

 
Just in case missed:


  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.


KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000395478/article/report-adrian-peterson-accused-of-injuring-another-son-in-june

 
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Not a lawyer but couldn't Peterson sue that Houston TV station for slander.
Unfortunately no.

I would argue that slander and libel laws need to be revised to account for the speed at which information is propagated in this day and age...

but some would read that to mean I advocate child abuse so forget it.
Why unfortunately?
The station can fall behind the shield that it's reporting news of another possible incident. And if they have the messages, they can say they reported it based on those facts. They are not calling him a child abuser, just that he is being investigated again. I. Theory "investigated" could mean the prosecution of his current case knows about that incident. So the news crew can dance around that shield with safety.

 
Just in case missed:


  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.


KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.

 
Just in case missed:


  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.


KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/

 
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
Not to mention the whole idea of a car seat causing that wound is completely non-credible.

 
Just in case missed:


  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.


KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.

Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.

 
Vikings released a statement saying they were made aware of the 2013 incident during their investigation and that no further action was taken.

Someone can link if they can find the full text
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/511697923072360448/photo/1
Eden Prarie, MN (September 15, 2014) - As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin
 
Peterson admitted to what he did and even if he is acquitted in a court of law he will still be thought of as a child abuser. I have to think that retirement is becoming a real possibility for him.

 
Just in case missed:


  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.


KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.

Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
True but can't f'n help

 
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
Not to mention the whole idea of a car seat causing that wound is completely non-credible.
With a car seat like that who needs enemies?

 
Just in case missed:


  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.


KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.

Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
True but can't f'n help
In the court of law, I don't think it matters.

In the court of public opinion, concur. This doesn't help Peterson.

 
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
Not to mention the whole idea of a car seat causing that wound is completely non-credible.
Chum the waters and the sharks will no doubt start circling...

"news" --> :shark: <-- "sharks"

(always wanted to use that one...)

 
Peterson admitted to what he did and even if he is acquitted in a court of law he will still be thought of as a child abuser. I have to think that retirement is becoming a real possibility for him.
Sorry, this is just dumb (IMO), and reflective of many of the people spouting off on the this case instead of letting it go through due process.

 
Peterson admitted to what he did and even if he is acquitted in a court of law he will still be thought of as a child abuser. I have to think that retirement is becoming a real possibility for him.
:lol:
Why is that funny?
Vick killed dogs, spent a couple years in prison and didn't retire.

Peterson whooped his kids in a manner than may or may not have been legal. He's not retiring and in fact will probably play longer to attempt to repair his image.

 
Not a lawyer but couldn't Peterson sue that Houston TV station for slander.
Unfortunately no.

I would argue that slander and libel laws need to be revised to account for the speed at which information is propagated in this day and age...

but some would read that to mean I advocate child abuse so forget it.
Why unfortunately?
The station can fall behind the shield that it's reporting news of another possible incident. And if they have the messages, they can say they reported it based on those facts. They are not calling him a child abuser, just that he is being investigated again. I. Theory "investigated" could mean the prosecution of his current case knows about that incident. So the news crew can dance around that shield with safety.
Right. So?
 


@SteveRushin

Vikings: "We feel strongly as an organization that this is about disciplining a child."

What a nauseating statement.
I'm sure they'd feel the same way if the accused was a backup guard instead of Peterson.

 
Peterson admitted to what he did and even if he is acquitted in a court of law he will still be thought of as a child abuser. I have to think that retirement is becoming a real possibility for him.
:lol:
Why is that funny?
Vick killed dogs, spent a couple years in prison and didn't retire.

Peterson whooped his kids in a manner than may or may not have been legal. He's not retiring and in fact will probably play longer to attempt to repair his image.
Vick came back because he was bankrupt. Peterson should have a few millions left. You are right that he probably won't do a Barry Sanders especially in disgrace. But I would be so pissed with the media coverage and the public scrutiny that I would consider it.
 
So as not to lose the forest through the trees, another great article talking about what kids "learn" with spankings and corporal punishment. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/09/adrian_peterson_and_corporal_punishment_hitting_children_teaches_them_nothing.html

I can tell you what kids learn from being hit. They don’t learn whatever you’re telling them while you’re hitting them. They learn about hitting, and about you. When violence is the medium, violence is the message.
Study after study documents this pattern. It suffuses every interaction between adults and children: love, cooperation, exploitation, violence. The strongest predictor of whether a child thinks it’s OK to hit kids, and whether he’ll grow up to do so, is how often he’s been disciplined that way. Light spanking isn’t as bad as wielding a tree branch. But it’s part of the continuum. Researchers call this the “hidden curriculum”: Corporal punishment teaches itself.
But when you hit a child for hitting another child, the hitting does all the talking. That’s the upshot of a recent study of more than 100 children and their parents. Every parent who approved of spanking a child for hitting a sibling passed this belief on to their kids. And 79 percent of kids who came from homes with lots of spanking said they’d hit a sibling for trying to watch a different TV show—almost the same scenario that led to Peterson’s beating of his son. According to the researchers, “Not one child from a no-spanking home chose to resolve these conflicts by hitting.” The kids absorbed the model, not the lecture.
Hate to break this to you, but violence does solve problems.

 
So as not to lose the forest through the trees, another great article talking about what kids "learn" with spankings and corporal punishment. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/09/adrian_peterson_and_corporal_punishment_hitting_children_teaches_them_nothing.html

I can tell you what kids learn from being hit. They dont learn whatever youre telling them while youre hitting them. They learn about hitting, and about you. When violence is the medium, violence is the message.
Study after study documents this pattern. It suffuses every interaction between adults and children: love, cooperation, exploitation, violence. The strongest predictor of whether a child thinks its OK to hit kids, and whether hell grow up to do so, is how often hes been disciplined that way. Light spanking isnt as bad as wielding a tree branch. But its part of the continuum. Researchers call this the hidden curriculum: Corporal punishment teaches itself.
But when you hit a child for hitting another child, the hitting does all the talking. Thats the upshot of a recent study of more than 100 children and their parents. Every parent who approved of spanking a child for hitting a sibling passed this belief on to their kids. And 79 percent of kids who came from homes with lots of spanking said theyd hit a sibling for trying to watch a different TV showalmost the same scenario that led to Petersons beating of his son. According to the researchers, Not one child from a no-spanking home chose to resolve these conflicts by hitting. The kids absorbed the model, not the lecture.
Hate to break this to you, but violence does solve problems.
Why do you hate that?
 
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
Well, for someone who doesn't want to look like a "child abuse apologist", you are certainly doing a bad job of it. Let's just review the facts (the ones we know about right now):

1. AP admits hitting 4 year old child in a car seat and the result is a permananent scar on his head.

2. AP admits "whooping" another 4 year old child with a stick and leaving noticeable welts and cuts a week later.

3. AP's son is also on record as saying he was scared of talking for fear that "Dddy Peterson" would hit him in the head AGAIN.

4. On the heels of all this, there is the tragic story of another one of AP's children who was killed last year from an apparent head injury by a repeat child abuse offender. This man, Joseph Patterson, had a similarly documented history of leaving welts on children's butts. But apparently prior behavior is irrelevant.

And with all this information, you choose as your point to make that anyone can have a report filed against them without anything actually having happened?

 
what would have happened if peterson was seen whipping his dog like that?
What a horrible, sad commentary on our society.I tell you what, the NFL does an outstanding job showing us the very worst parts of our society and culture. Can you imagine the Brits reading about all this the last few weeks? Good luck with that European expansion.
I love how you continue to dam all NFL players over the acts of the few.. bet your profession has some bad eggs also so should we lump you in with them ? :mellow:
I actually agree with you on that end. I hate the fact that modern society shines a light on everyone's personal life (particularly athletes) to the extent it does. I certainly wouldn't want everything I ever did wrong to be broadcast to the whole world. I'm not perfect, not do I claim to be.But the NFL is a runaway train right now. Incident after incident of outrageous, unacceptable violence - against women and children no less. And the management team is completely incapable of doing the right thing. Everything is based on the bottom line. Yah, I understand its a business, but it's a very unique business that has a huge impact on setting the mores of our society. My kid has a poster of Adrian Peterson on his wall - not a Direct of Product Development from some financial services company.
Bull####.

 
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
Well, for someone who doesn't want to look like a "child abuse apologist", you are certainly doing a bad job of it.Let's just review the facts (the ones we know about right now):

1. AP admits hitting 4 year old child in a car seat and the result is a permananent scar on his head.

2. AP admits "whooping" another 4 year old child with a stick and leaving noticeable welts and cuts a week later.

3. AP's son is also on record as saying he was scared of talking for fear that "Dddy Peterson" would hit him in the head AGAIN.

4. On the heels of all this, there is the tragic story of another one of AP's children who was killed last year from an apparent head injury by a repeat child abuse offender. This man, Joseph Patterson, had a similarly documented history of leaving welts on children's butts. But apparently prior behavior is irrelevant.

And with all this information, you choose as your point to make that anyone can have a report filed against them without anything actually having happened?
I choose as a point that what happens in the Rice and Peterson cases sets a precedent for future suspensions.

I choose as a point that justice is best served with all the facts evidenced in a court rather than with mob mentality.

I choose as a point that because I'd prefer that procedure rule the day rather then emotional fervor doesn't mean I'm for child abuse.

I choose as a point that one should understand justice is not always quick and shouldn't be reactionary.

I choose as a point that your name calling means nothing to me.

 
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Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
Well, for someone who doesn't want to look like a "child abuse apologist", you are certainly doing a bad job of it.Let's just review the facts (the ones we know about right now):

1. AP admits hitting 4 year old child in a car seat and the result is a permananent scar on his head.

2. AP admits "whooping" another 4 year old child with a stick and leaving noticeable welts and cuts a week later.

3. AP's son is also on record as saying he was scared of talking for fear that "Dddy Peterson" would hit him in the head AGAIN.

4. On the heels of all this, there is the tragic story of another one of AP's children who was killed last year from an apparent head injury by a repeat child abuse offender. This man, Joseph Patterson, had a similarly documented history of leaving welts on children's butts. But apparently prior behavior is irrelevant.

And with all this information, you choose as your point to make that anyone can have a report filed against them without anything actually having happened?
I choose as a point that what happens in the Rice and Peterson cases sets a precedent for future suspensions.

I choose as a point that justice is best served with all the facts evidenced in a court rather than with mod mentality.

I choose as a point that because I'd prefer that procedure rule the day rather then emotional fervor doesn't mean I'm for child abuse.

I choose as a point that one should understand justice is not always quick and shouldn't be reactionary.

I choose as a point that your name calling means nothing to me.
Fair enough. I appreciate your honest response. So by that logic, if Aaron Hernandez was eligible for bail it would be ok with you that he continues playing in the NFL. Do I have that right?
 
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
Well, for someone who doesn't want to look like a "child abuse apologist", you are certainly doing a bad job of it.Let's just review the facts (the ones we know about right now):

1. AP admits hitting 4 year old child in a car seat and the result is a permananent scar on his head.

2. AP admits "whooping" another 4 year old child with a stick and leaving noticeable welts and cuts a week later.

3. AP's son is also on record as saying he was scared of talking for fear that "Dddy Peterson" would hit him in the head AGAIN.

4. On the heels of all this, there is the tragic story of another one of AP's children who was killed last year from an apparent head injury by a repeat child abuse offender. This man, Joseph Patterson, had a similarly documented history of leaving welts on children's butts. But apparently prior behavior is irrelevant.

And with all this information, you choose as your point to make that anyone can have a report filed against them without anything actually having happened?
I choose as a point that what happens in the Rice and Peterson cases sets a precedent for future suspensions.

I choose as a point that justice is best served with all the facts evidenced in a court rather than with mob mentality.

I choose as a point that because I'd prefer that procedure rule the day rather then emotional fervor doesn't mean I'm for child abuse.

I choose as a point that one should understand justice is not always quick and shouldn't be reactionary.

I choose as a point that your name calling means nothing to me.
Cmon man, I'm running out of likes to give you.

 
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
Well, for someone who doesn't want to look like a "child abuse apologist", you are certainly doing a bad job of it.Let's just review the facts (the ones we know about right now):

1. AP admits hitting 4 year old child in a car seat and the result is a permananent scar on his head.

2. AP admits "whooping" another 4 year old child with a stick and leaving noticeable welts and cuts a week later.

3. AP's son is also on record as saying he was scared of talking for fear that "Dddy Peterson" would hit him in the head AGAIN.

4. On the heels of all this, there is the tragic story of another one of AP's children who was killed last year from an apparent head injury by a repeat child abuse offender. This man, Joseph Patterson, had a similarly documented history of leaving welts on children's butts. But apparently prior behavior is irrelevant.

And with all this information, you choose as your point to make that anyone can have a report filed against them without anything actually having happened?
I choose as a point that what happens in the Rice and Peterson cases sets a precedent for future suspensions.

I choose as a point that justice is best served with all the facts evidenced in a court rather than with mob mentality.

I choose as a point that because I'd prefer that procedure rule the day rather then emotional fervor doesn't mean I'm for child abuse.

I choose as a point that one should understand justice is not always quick and shouldn't be reactionary.

I choose as a point that your name calling means nothing to me.
This is all very grand and sweeping, but it has little to do with some guy toting a rock for big dollars. They will have their day in court. Or, if they are lucky (as in the case of Rice), they will avoid seeing the inside of a courtroom altogether because, wait for it, they carry a football for millions of dollars working in a multi-billion dollar industry. These individuals need your platitudes like the NFL needs another tax exemption.

 
Wow...reading this thread...I'll say this, and then probably be done with it:

I don't condone that kind of punishment, but I also do believe that Peterson believed he was doing right by his son, and has likely already learned his lesson there (that it isn't right). He'll face both legal and professional consequences, I don't see the need to rush to judgement.
bc he believes he was "doing right by his son" is precisely the reason there needs to be a strong punishment. as chris carter said, the only thing that matters to these guys is "being on the field" so they need to take that away. his text messages and public statements clearly indicate that he has not learned his lesson and still believes that "whooping" is an acceptable and necessary form of punishment. further, those texts prove that these are not isolated incidents but is standard behavior and a pattern of abuse.

 
Mother: "What happened to his head?"

Peterson: "Hit his head on the Carseat."

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

Mother: "Why?"

Peterson: "I felt so bad. But he did it his self."
Mother: "What did you hit him with?"

Peter never directly answered, but later replied: "Be still n take ya whooping he would have saved the scare (scar). He aight (all right)"
http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/09/15/new-accusations-peterson-injured-another-son-while-disciplining-4-year-old/15693941/

 
The Vikings aren't even competent enough at being amoral to defend their child abuser without being surrounded by sponsor logos. How many employees with a functioning brain would it take to use a different backdrop for the Spielman and Zimmer statements?

The decision will be reversed before kickoff.

 
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BoltNlava said:
I honestly thought if he did it once more would follow. :shrug:
as did the reasonable ppl in this thread. but petersons defenders had been vehemently arguing that it was simply a one-off incident that went too far. of course, any logical person would infer from the report and the text messages how full of isht such a stance is.

 
fatness said:
Mother: "What happened to his head?"

Peterson: "Hit his head on the Carseat."

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

Mother: "Why?"

Peterson: "I felt so bad. But he did it his self."
Mother: "What did you hit him with?"

Peter never directly answered, but later replied: "Be still n take ya whooping he would have saved the scare (scar). He aight (all right)"
http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/09/15/new-accusations-peterson-injured-another-son-while-disciplining-4-year-old/15693941/
So he whipped his kid with a stick and also hit(same son or different?) in the head while he's in a car seat. RAY RICE WELCOME BACK, you're not the biggest pile of human feces in the NFL.

 
Pots said:
Avery said:
General Tso said:
Avery said:
BoltNlava said:
Maelstrom said:
BoltNlava said:
Just in case missed:

  • NFL.com
  • Published: Sept. 15, 2014 at 08:28 p.m.
  • Updated: Sept. 15, 2014 at 10:06 p.m.
KHOU-TV in Houston reported Monday night that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was accused of injuring another son in June 2013. According to the report, Peterson allegedly disciplined his son for "cussing to a sibling," resulting in an injury to the 4-year-old boy's head.

The boy's mother reportedly filed a report with Texas Child Protective Services. The results of any investigation are unclear and no charges have been filed in the case.

In a text to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Peterson's lawyer Rusty Hardin wrote, "The allegations were made over a year ago to CPS and law enforcement and no action was taken. Plus there was an adult witness present in the car and she flatly denied that Adrian caused any injury to the boy."

Hardin also released a statement: "The allegation of another investigation into Adrian Peterson is simply not true. This is not a new allegation, it's one that is unsubstantiated and was shopped around to authorities in two states over a year ago and nothing came of it. An adult witness adamantly insists Adrian did nothing inappropriate with his son. There is no ongoing or new investigation."

Later Monday night, the Vikings released a statement of their own: "As part of the information we have gathered throughout this process, we were made aware of an allegation from 2013 in which authorities took no action against Adrian. We will defer any further questions to Adrian's attorney Rusty Hardin."

Peterson was indicted Friday on a charge of reckless or negligent injury to a child -- a different 4-year-old son -- and faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. He flew to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning to the Montgomery County (Texas) Sheriff's Office and was released after posting a $15,000 bond.
It wasn't missed, and an investigation also didn't result in any charges, it is also not an ongoing investigation or going to be reopened.
but it shows a pattern/
I don't know how it works in every state, but I know in some states you need exactly zero evidence to file a report a start an investigation - just your statement.Not looking to be a "child abuse apologist" but generally speaking, to have a report filed against you that results in an investigation can have nothing to do with a pattern of behavior or anything that may have actually happened.
Well, for someone who doesn't want to look like a "child abuse apologist", you are certainly doing a bad job of it.Let's just review the facts (the ones we know about right now):

1. AP admits hitting 4 year old child in a car seat and the result is a permananent scar on his head.

2. AP admits "whooping" another 4 year old child with a stick and leaving noticeable welts and cuts a week later.

3. AP's son is also on record as saying he was scared of talking for fear that "Dddy Peterson" would hit him in the head AGAIN.

4. On the heels of all this, there is the tragic story of another one of AP's children who was killed last year from an apparent head injury by a repeat child abuse offender. This man, Joseph Patterson, had a similarly documented history of leaving welts on children's butts. But apparently prior behavior is irrelevant.

And with all this information, you choose as your point to make that anyone can have a report filed against them without anything actually having happened?
I choose as a point that what happens in the Rice and Peterson cases sets a precedent for future suspensions.

I choose as a point that justice is best served with all the facts evidenced in a court rather than with mob mentality.

I choose as a point that because I'd prefer that procedure rule the day rather then emotional fervor doesn't mean I'm for child abuse.

I choose as a point that one should understand justice is not always quick and shouldn't be reactionary.

I choose as a point that your name calling means nothing to me.
Cmon man, I'm running out of likes to give you.
first off, both of you guys should read up on what a "false dichotomy" is.

 
The fact that I don't understand how anyone can justify this type of beating on a four-year-old tells me I was a lot luckier growing up than many folks. It's beyond the scope of my understanding that someone can see that and think it's acceptable.

I hope I never (and nobody in my family ever) gets so "enlightened" as to see that and think "it's not that bad," or "a little over the line."

Very sad.

 
ESPN is BURYING the Vikings and AP. I honestly didn't see that coming out of this.

This thing is gonna take a few more twists and turns before Sunday.

One thing I think, is even if the NFL does suspend him, he will appeal, and likely play during that appeal, as is normal in the NFL.

 
fatness said:
Mother: "What happened to his head?"

Peterson: "Hit his head on the Carseat."

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

Mother: "Why?"

Peterson: "I felt so bad. But he did it his self."
Mother: "What did you hit him with?"

Peter never directly answered, but later replied: "Be still n take ya whooping he would have saved the scare (scar). He aight (all right)"
http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/09/15/new-accusations-peterson-injured-another-son-while-disciplining-4-year-old/15693941/
that one, along with this one

AP: He got about 5 more pops than normal. He didn't drop one tear! So that is another indicator I'll have to try a system with him. Smh he's tough as nails.
http://i.imgur.com/3tU8sTo.jpg

those prove not only that he regularly beats his kids but also that there is far more to it than merely disciplining the child and correcting their behavior. peterson is clearly intent on inflicting pain and suffering. when the child does not react in proper deference, it angers peterson by crying, peterson actually believes it is personal affront and reacts with more brutality! this is a sick sick man.

 
BoltNlava said:
I honestly thought if he did it once more would follow. :shrug:
as did the reasonable ppl in this thread. but petersons defenders had been vehemently arguing that it was simply a one-off incident that went too far. of course, any logical person would infer from the report and the text messages how full of isht such a stance is.
The other one was an accident.

The fact that I don't understand how anyone can justify this type of beating on a four-year-old tells me I was a lot luckier growing up than many folks. It's beyond the scope of my understanding that someone can see that and think it's acceptable.

I hope I never (and nobody in my family ever) gets so "enlightened" as to see that and think "it's not that bad," or "a little over the line."

Very sad.
Yes, you are lucky. However, it's people who can't imagine this happens who keep corporal punishment legal.

 
The fact that I don't understand how anyone can justify this type of beating on a four-year-old tells me I was a lot luckier growing up than many folks. It's beyond the scope of my understanding that someone can see that and think it's acceptable.

I hope I never (and nobody in my family ever) gets so "enlightened" as to see that and think "it's not that bad," or "a little over the line."

Very sad.
Exactly. Your parents sound like humans and not animals. AP is an animal. I don't wanna hear about culture and upbringing. He's a low life who should do jail time.

It needs to be said again. AP said the beatings he took as a kid made him the man he is today. A man who doesn't know how many kids he has. A man who let his own kid, that he never knew about, get beat to death by his child's mothers boyfriend. A man who beats his own kid enough to make him bleed, sees nothing wrong with it, and smirks in his mugshot. He's a weirdo and a piece of trash.

 

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