Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (1 Viewer)

[Bigboy10182000]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-vikings-mother-reaction

This was never his intent.

Perhaps it wasn't. I'm sure that drunk drivers don't intend to run over pedestrians when they get in the car, but sometimes they do it anyway. Most of them probably feel really bad about it after the fact, but they're still responsible for their actions. So is Peterson. Abuse coming from a place of "love" is still abuse.

To me any kind of hitting of a child is abuse. To me you're a child abuser if you spank your kid.

You may draw the line at leaving marks, but I draw the line at hitting your kid in any way.

See how we're dealing with a movable goalpost here? To say there a cut and dry description of 'abuse' is wrong. I don't agree with what Peterson did, but under the law there's a lot of leeway as to what constitutes abuse.

Until spanking is outlawed completely there will be kids being abused under the guise of discipline.

 

[chinawildman]

I've had mixed feelings regarding your contributions to this discussion. At some moments, I feel there is genuine content that has potential for progress/insights on all sides. At other times, I felt you've backslid. My own self-assessment is the same, so I'm not taking any higher ground here, just trying to be honest about how I've seen this evolve over the past few days.

That post you referenced was among the best of the bunch. It was very thoughtful and added a lot of perspective. I still feel you rely on assumptions and code words/phrases in mischaracterizing my views (and perhaps others). For instance, I never referenced AP as an "animal" or intimated that he is subhuman or that he does not enjoy the right to due process in a court of law. Because I have very strong views about what constitutes child abuse versus what does not, I am not particularly swayed by what a bunch of legislators in Texas document as their laws on child abuse. i work in the mental health arena. I say this with no self-congratulatory back-patting, but I am an expert on child abuse, domestic violence, PTSD, among other light and fluffy areas in the world of treatment. There is no room for ambiguity or moral relativism about what AP did, so if others want to debate the abuse/no child abuse angle, leave me out of it. I know what it is, intent or no intent, accident or deliberate, it's child abuse.

That said, AP needs to have his day in court. He's been indicted on a very serious crime. If he cops a plea, we'll never know the full details, which is just as well because I believe they will only serve to obfuscate the matter for some. Either way, he needs to follow the process here, and that's fine. The notion I reject, however, is that the team is obligated to put AP on the field until due process has seen its final day. The argument around the latitude teams have to suspend with/without pay, cut players outright, put on exemption lists, etc...it's is a good academic exercise, but one that I find only marginally interesting and mostly avoid. For me, that's all a distraction, one that has deliberately been put forward by others, I suspect, to take attention away from AP. Those who are highly invested in this argument for religious and/or political reasons have an agenda, none of which aligns with what's important to me, which is to use this case as public model and make abundantly clear that this is/was abuse.

In the end, while I do respect your candor and willingness to explore some concepts, I don't think we are much on the same page. I do not believe in the doctrine of moral relativism. I can have empathy for AP (and I genuinely think I do) and still hold quite firmly that what he did was wrong and abusive. The TX court will determine if my assessment maps on with the laws of the land in that state. I have no control over that, so what will be will be.

Moreover, and I think this is where we really diverge...my distress with the NFL and the Vikings and whatever misgivings I have about their decision-making process pales in comparison to my feelings about AP and what he did that kid. I'll leave the issues of due process to others here. I've heard people a lot smarter than me and expert on legal issues argue both sides. My personal view aligns with the right of an organization to choose who represents them. Particularly in the case of an employee who abuses his child, I would support that organization if they no longer wanted to associate with him. And, I frankly have no interest in debating whether or not AP committed child abuse, because it's just not a matter of debate in my experience.

Thank you Proust, your genuine perspective in this thread is a breath of fresh air and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to verbalize your views. Seldom, likely never, does anyone feel encouraged to examine their own position when met exclusively with generic labels and cynicism. You're right, what you say in that highlighted line defines where we've prioritized our concerns in this matter, and I think we actually do share some common ground on other individual points interspersed among the detritus that this thread has become.

Until any more light is shed on this case, I don't feel like there is much more to address here other than speculation, which I believe I've already exhausted the other posters in this thread with. Hopefully this thread will get moved to FFA, and at which time any new relevant pieces of information are revealed, we can continue our debate about the individual liberties sacrificed in the name of moral relativism/objectivism.

I will leave it on a lighter note and paraphrase a line from Tim Minchin. (perhaps all of us can absorb this to some degree, be it prognosticating FF or debating moral dilemmas). Opinons ARE like a$$holes, we've all got one. However unlike a$$holes, ours should be examined thoroughly and often... Hasta.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I've had mixed feelings regarding your contributions to this discussion. At some moments, I feel there is genuine content that has potential for progress/insights on all sides. At other times, I felt you've backslid. My own self-assessment is the same, so I'm not taking any higher ground here, just trying to be honest about how I've seen this evolve over the past few days.

That post you referenced was among the best of the bunch. It was very thoughtful and added a lot of perspective. I still feel you rely on assumptions and code words/phrases in mischaracterizing my views (and perhaps others). For instance, I never referenced AP as an "animal" or intimated that he is subhuman or that he does not enjoy the right to due process in a court of law. Because I have very strong views about what constitutes child abuse versus what does not, I am not particularly swayed by what a bunch of legislators in Texas document as their laws on child abuse. i work in the mental health arena. I say this with no self-congratulatory back-patting, but I am an expert on child abuse, domestic violence, PTSD, among other light and fluffy areas in the world of treatment. There is no room for ambiguity or moral relativism about what AP did, so if others want to debate the abuse/no child abuse angle, leave me out of it. I know what it is, intent or no intent, accident or deliberate, it's child abuse.

That said, AP needs to have his day in court. He's been indicted on a very serious crime. If he cops a plea, we'll never know the full details, which is just as well because I believe they will only serve to obfuscate the matter for some. Either way, he needs to follow the process here, and that's fine. The notion I reject, however, is that the team is obligated to put AP on the field until due process has seen its final day. The argument around the latitude teams have to suspend with/without pay, cut players outright, put on exemption lists, etc...it's is a good academic exercise, but one that I find only marginally interesting and mostly avoid. For me, that's all a distraction, one that has deliberately been put forward by others, I suspect, to take attention away from AP. Those who are highly invested in this argument for religious and/or political reasons have an agenda, none of which aligns with what's important to me, which is to use this case as public model and make abundantly clear that this is/was abuse.

In the end, while I do respect your candor and willingness to explore some concepts, I don't think we are much on the same page. I do not believe in the doctrine of moral relativism. I can have empathy for AP (and I genuinely think I do) and still hold quite firmly that what he did was wrong and abusive. The TX court will determine if my assessment maps on with the laws of the land in that state. I have no control over that, so what will be will be.

Moreover, and I think this is where we really diverge...my distress with the NFL and the Vikings and whatever misgivings I have about their decision-making process pales in comparison to my feelings about AP and what he did that kid. I'll leave the issues of due process to others here. I've heard people a lot smarter than me and expert on legal issues argue both sides. My personal view aligns with the right of an organization to choose who represents them. Particularly in the case of an employee who abuses his child, I would support that organization if they no longer wanted to associate with him. And, I frankly have no interest in debating whether or not AP committed child abuse, because it's just not a matter of debate in my experience.

Thank you Proust, your genuine perspective in this thread is a breath of fresh air and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to verbalize your views. Seldom, likely never, does anyone feel encouraged to examine their own position when met exclusively with generic labels and cynicism. You're right, what you say in that highlighted line defines where we've prioritized our concerns in this matter, and I think we actually do share some common ground on other individual points interspersed among the detritus that this thread has become.

Until any more light is shed on this case, I don't feel like there is much more to address here other than speculation, which I believe I've already exhausted the other posters in this thread with. Hopefully this thread will get moved to FFA, and at which time any new relevant pieces of information are revealed, we can continue our debate about the individual liberties sacrificed in the name of moral relativism/objectivism.

I will leave it on a lighter note and paraphrase a line from Tim Minchin. (perhaps all of us can absorb this to some degree, be it prognosticating FF or debating moral dilemmas). Opinons ARE like #######s, we've all got one. However unlike #######s, ours should be examined thoroughly and often... Hasta.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think the Vikings fans are going to get ugly if this season continues like this.

 

[snogger]

I think the Vikings fans are going to get ugly if this season continues like this.

Most realistic fans realized that even with AP we'd be lucky to finish 8-8.. Over/under at Vegas I believe was 6..

Most of us realized Zimmer wasn't going to fix all the issues the previous coaching staff left behind in one season.

Defense is playing well enough to get them to 6 or 8 wins and with Bridgewater at the helm now due to Cassel's injury the fan base is actually energized right now to see what he can do.

Oh, and can we just lock this thread now? TIA!!

 

[Neofight]

Petrson is scheduled to have a cap hit of 15.4 million next year (12.75 base + 2.4 signing bonus) with 2.4 million in dead money if he is let go. This saga just made that math much more clear.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think the Vikings fans are going to get ugly if this season continues like this.

Most realistic fans realized that even with AP we'd be lucky to finish 8-8.. Over/under at Vegas I believe was 6..

Most of us realized Zimmer wasn't going to fix all the issues the previous coaching staff left behind in one season.

Defense is playing well enough to get them to 6 or 8 wins and with Bridgewater at the helm now due to Cassel's injury the fan base is actually energized right now to see what he can do.

Oh, and can we just lock this thread now? TIA!!

Greenway broken hand, Rudolph hurt, starting a rookie QB... you really think you got 5 more wins in that team? You lucky if u get 3 more.

I'm just a little curious at how long its going to take before the outspoken fans start screaming for Peterson to come back and lets face it the real reason hes not playing right now is back of the threat of losing sponsorship money. The team wanted him out there, that was evident by the 1st re-instatement but then the internet blew up.

 

[snogger]

I think the Vikings fans are going to get ugly if this season continues like this.

Most realistic fans realized that even with AP we'd be lucky to finish 8-8.. Over/under at Vegas I believe was 6..

Most of us realized Zimmer wasn't going to fix all the issues the previous coaching staff left behind in one season.

Defense is playing well enough to get them to 6 or 8 wins and with Bridgewater at the helm now due to Cassel's injury the fan base is actually energized right now to see what he can do.

Oh, and can we just lock this thread now? TIA!!

Greenway broken hand, Rudolph hurt, starting a rookie QB... you really think you got 5 more wins in that team? You lucky if u get 3 more.

I'm just a little curious at how long its going to take before the outspoken fans start screaming for Peterson to come back and lets face it the real reason hes not playing right now is back of the threat of losing sponsorship money. The team wanted him out there, that was evident by the 1st re-instatement but then the internet blew up.

I like their chances against the Bills, Bucs, Panthers and the Jets.. Whoever plays the Best Defense is bound to win those games.

And no matter the talent level, Viking vs. Packer games are always close and tend to split home games... So yea, 5 that they have a good chance of winning..

And of course they wanted him out there, the offense during the off season was built around him, now that he is gone they have to retool which will take a bit..

Two weeks ago I thought he'd be suspended until the hearing/decision and be back by November.. But he is still getting paid and therefore any suspension would start after any court decision so couldn't be retroactive to then.

Before this incident, if you had even mentioned releasing him/trading him the Vikings fans would have been on a full on

But all that changed two weeks ago. Now I'd say the chances of him ever playing for Vikings again is less then 25%.. His cap hit the next two years is too much for his age..

 

[Donnybrook]

I just wonder if New England got away with not paying Hernandez after he was charged with a crime. I wonder if the Vikings can follow that precedent if ADP does get convicted. It quite the burden to have his salary changed against the cap while not being allowed to play him.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Saw he's still 90 percent owned. Any chance he suits up again next month now that this has died down?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Saw he's still 90 percent owned. Any chance he suits up again next month now that this has died down?

When I traded for him last week I anticipated this. The issues regarding the NFL tend to blow over fast. I'm thinking mid-october for him.

 

[chinawildman]

The thing I don't get about this whole situation is that if Mortensen's reports are true, and that the league is going to "severely" punish him regardless of the legal outcome of his case... then why haven't they done so already?

What's also weird is that he can't be near Vikings facilities when on the exemption list, yet suspended players like Gordon get to use team facilities to train? What's the logic in that?

There's also many details about how the exemption list thing went down that just makes me think there's a lot of tiptoeing here by the NFL and Vikings to avoid civil legal ramifications. I think we will start hearing a lot more in early October.

 

[cstu]

I just wonder if New England got away with not paying Hernandez after he was charged with a crime. I wonder if the Vikings can follow that precedent if ADP does get convicted. It quite the burden to have his salary changed against the cap while not being allowed to play him.

The Vikings are allowed to play him, it's their choice he's not.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Saw he's still 90 percent owned. Any chance he suits up again next month now that this has died down?

think he goes to court wednesday of week 6, so maybe more news then

 

[Gopher State]

Saw he's still 90 percent owned. Any chance he suits up again next month now that this has died down?

When I traded for him last week I anticipated this. The issues regarding the NFL tend to blow over fast. I'm thinking mid-october for him.

Nope done for the year and here is why. He's making 14m+/- this year. The vikings and NFL have agreed to pay him his full salary until this is resolved. AP and his attorney have said no plea deals, they go to court and present their case. It will be after the NFL season is over before they go to trial. If he cuts a deal, he could be suspended 4 games or so without pay this year. The Vikings can cut him next year with little to no effect on the salary cap. So maybe they offer him 6m a year next year to redo his deal, what you want to lose pay at 14m for four games or 6m for four games. AP is getting to close to being on the wrong side of 30, no one will pay him 14M going forward next year. Vikings are ready to move on.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Saw he's still 90 percent owned. Any chance he suits up again next month now that this has died down?

When I traded for him last week I anticipated this. The issues regarding the NFL tend to blow over fast. I'm thinking mid-october for him.

Nope done for the year and here is why. He's making 14m+/- this year. The vikings and NFL have agreed to pay him his full salary until this is resolved. AP and his attorney have said no plea deals, they go to court and present their case. It will be after the NFL season is over before they go to trial. If he cuts a deal, he could be suspended 4 games or so without pay this year. The Vikings can cut him next year with little to no effect on the salary cap. So maybe they offer him 6m a year next year to redo his deal, what you want to lose pay at 14m for four games or 6m for four games. AP is getting to close to being on the wrong side of 30, no one will pay him 14M going forward next year. Vikings are ready to move on.

He's the face of their new stadium. He'll end up getting fined 6 games worth of checks and get time severed after his first court date IMO.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

He's the face of their new stadium.

He stopped being "the face" of anything when he beat a little kid.

 

[Henry Ford]

He's the face of their new stadium.

He stopped being "the face" of anything when he beat a little kid.

I think he's the new face of child abuse

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And Ray Lewis was the face of murder...

Give it a couple weeks and no one will remember or care. Much like the Ray Rice story. It's over.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

fantasy football is huge and we don't have some kind of ####### lobby??

 

[Koya]

He's the face of their new stadium.

He stopped being "the face" of anything when he WAS CAUGHT REDHANDED beat(ing) a little kid.

Corrected.

 

[cloppbeast]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

 

[Joe Summer]

Saw he's still 90 percent owned. Any chance he suits up again next month now that this has died down?

When I traded for him last week I anticipated this. The issues regarding the NFL tend to blow over fast. I'm thinking mid-october for him.

Nope done for the year and here is why. He's making 14m+/- this year. The vikings and NFL have agreed to pay him his full salary until this is resolved. AP and his attorney have said no plea deals, they go to court and present their case. It will be after the NFL season is over before they go to trial. If he cuts a deal, he could be suspended 4 games or so without pay this year. The Vikings can cut him next year with little to no effect on the salary cap. So maybe they offer him 6m a year next year to redo his deal, what you want to lose pay at 14m for four games or 6m for four games. AP is getting to close to being on the wrong side of 30, no one will pay him 14M going forward next year. Vikings are ready to move on.

As long as Peterson is getting his full salary to stay at home, has no incentive to cut a plea deal.

 

[Gopher State]

Saw he's still 90 percent owned. Any chance he suits up again next month now that this has died down?

When I traded for him last week I anticipated this. The issues regarding the NFL tend to blow over fast. I'm thinking mid-october for him.

Nope done for the year and here is why. He's making 14m+/- this year. The vikings and NFL have agreed to pay him his full salary until this is resolved. AP and his attorney have said no plea deals, they go to court and present their case. It will be after the NFL season is over before they go to trial. If he cuts a deal, he could be suspended 4 games or so without pay this year. The Vikings can cut him next year with little to no effect on the salary cap. So maybe they offer him 6m a year next year to redo his deal, what you want to lose pay at 14m for four games or 6m for four games. AP is getting to close to being on the wrong side of 30, no one will pay him 14M going forward next year. Vikings are ready to move on.

He's the face of their new stadium. He'll end up getting fined 6 games worth of checks and get time severed after his first court date IMO.

I don't think they suspend him until convicted, and the first court date AP is going to say I want a jury trial which will not happen until 2015

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

People are reacting like he admitted to beating a little kid or something ohwait

 

[cstu]

He's the face of their new stadium.

He stopped being "the face" of anything when he WAS CAUGHT REDHANDED beat(ing) a little kid.

Corrected.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

 

[cstu]

And Ray Lewis was the face of murder...

Give it a couple weeks and no one will remember or care. Much like the Ray Rice story. It's over.

 

[Jeremy]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

 

[cstu]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Yes, I've seen/read it all and he 'confessed' to trying to be a good parent.

 

[Neofight]

Troy Vincent Leads Meeting (*for a bunch of pansies) That Could Help Transform the NFL:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2209900-troy-vincent-leads-meeting-that-could-help-transform-the-nfl

Vincent polled each of the players, asking them how they would feel if, when a player was arrested for domestic violence, the NFL deactivated them with pay until the court system provided more clarity. Each player, Vincent explained, agreed.

* Mike Singletary, Matt Birk, Patrick Kerney, Lyons, Willie McGinest, Eddie Mason, Oben, Tony Paige, Robert Porcher, Scott Turner and Charles Way.

 

[Run It Up]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Yes, I've seen/read it all and he 'confessed' to trying to be a good parent.

He confessed to being ignorant. Intentions are worth their weight in ####.

 

[cstu]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Yes, I've seen/read it all and he 'confessed' to trying to be a good parent.

He confessed to being ignorant. Intentions are worth their weight in ####.

The law doesn't think so.

Mens rea.

 

[cstu]

Troy Vincent Leads Meeting (*for a bunch of pansies) That Could Help Transform the NFL:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2209900-troy-vincent-leads-meeting-that-could-help-transform-the-nfl

Vincent polled each of the players, asking them how they would feel if, when a player was arrested for domestic violence, the NFL deactivated them with pay until the court system provided more clarity. Each player, Vincent explained, agreed.

* Mike Singletary, Matt Birk, Patrick Kerney, Lyons, Willie McGinest, Eddie Mason, Oben, Tony Paige, Robert Porcher, Scott Turner and Charles Way.

Interesting, a bunch of former players who would not be affected by it agreed.

 

[Neofight]

Troy Vincent Leads Meeting (*for a bunch of pansies) That Could Help Transform the NFL:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2209900-troy-vincent-leads-meeting-that-could-help-transform-the-nfl

Vincent polled each of the players, asking them how they would feel if, when a player was arrested for domestic violence, the NFL deactivated them with pay until the court system provided more clarity. Each player, Vincent explained, agreed.

* Mike Singletary, Matt Birk, Patrick Kerney, Lyons, Willie McGinest, Eddie Mason, Oben, Tony Paige, Robert Porcher, Scott Turner and Charles Way.

Interesting, a bunch of former players who would not be affected by it agreed.

Yep. Pansies.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

He's the face of their new stadium.

He stopped being "the face" of anything when he WAS CAUGHT REDHANDED beat(ing) a little kid.

Corrected.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Inconceivable!

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Agreed. But due process SHOULD still be the standard. Maybe the photos were doctored. Maybe his mom or step dad added a few more to make it look worse. There could be many other factors at play here than just him admitting to the whipping and the surfacing photos. My 2 cents.

 

[Johnny Blood]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Yes, I've seen/read it all and he 'confessed' to trying to be a good parent.

He confessed to being ignorant. Intentions are worth their weight in ####.

The law doesn't think so.

Mens rea.

The law he's charged with violating says explicitly that intention is irrelevant. That law criminalizes injuring a child during discipline. The injury is evidence of the crime. Injuring intentionally is a more severe crime. Both are crimes.

Anyone investing in this guy as a fantasy asset had better have a long time frame. What are the odds that more cases won't come to light? He only did this once, to one of his seven kids?

 

[Henry Ford]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Yes, I've seen/read it all and he 'confessed' to trying to be a good parent.

He confessed to being ignorant. Intentions are worth their weight in ####.

The law doesn't think so.

Mens rea.

Intention =/= criminal intent.

 

[cloppbeast]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Yes, I've seen/read it all and he 'confessed' to trying to be a good parent.

The dude clearly got raised differently than you or I, or the majority of the folks on this board. Does that make him a criminal? I personally don't think so. If he goes about parenting the wrong way due to his previous experiences, perhaps education is the answer rather than ostracism. Based on what I've read of this whole situation, I've come to the conclusion he thought he did best for his child, even if we believe he did harm. Three generations ago, this style of parenting was pretty normal. Perhaps he's a few generations behind, but imo, that doesn't make him a criminal. People are just too quick to judge these days. I think a little moral relativism would help society as a whole.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This whole thing about Adrian Peterson getting suspended before he even had a trial is ####### bull####t. If I were him, I would just quit the NFL to make a point. It's a stupid ### sissy PR move by the NFL and the Vikings. This country really is turning into a bunch of pansies.

Did you see the pictures...and the read the texts from Peterson to the child's mother...and his comments afterwards (pretty much a confession). I'm all for due process, but we're pretty much at an OJ Simpson level of certainty on his guilt, aren't we?

Thought he was found not guilty

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_26612747/adrian-peterson-trial-unlikely-start-before-vikings-season

 

[davearm]

The dude clearly got raised differently than you or I, or the majority of the folks on this board. Does that make him a criminal? I personally don't think so. If he goes about parenting the wrong way due to his previous experiences, perhaps education is the answer rather than ostracism. Based on what I've read of this whole situation, I've come to the conclusion he thought he did best for his child, even if we believe he did harm. Three generations ago, this style of parenting was pretty normal. Perhaps he's a few generations behind, but imo, that doesn't make him a criminal. People are just too quick to judge these days. I think a little moral relativism would help society as a whole.

How Peterson was raised doesn't make him a criminal.

Breaking the law by abusing his child makes him a criminal.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The dude clearly got raised differently than you or I, or the majority of the folks on this board. Does that make him a criminal? I personally don't think so. If he goes about parenting the wrong way due to his previous experiences, perhaps education is the answer rather than ostracism. Based on what I've read of this whole situation, I've come to the conclusion he thought he did best for his child, even if we believe he did harm. Three generations ago, this style of parenting was pretty normal. Perhaps he's a few generations behind, but imo, that doesn't make him a criminal. People are just too quick to judge these days. I think a little moral relativism would help society as a whole.

Three generations ago segregation was ok.

 

[snellman]

The dude clearly got raised differently than you or I, or the majority of the folks on this board. Does that make him a criminal? I personally don't think so. If he goes about parenting the wrong way due to his previous experiences, perhaps education is the answer rather than ostracism. Based on what I've read of this whole situation, I've come to the conclusion he thought he did best for his child, even if we believe he did harm. Three generations ago, this style of parenting was pretty normal. Perhaps he's a few generations behind, but imo, that doesn't make him a criminal. People are just too quick to judge these days. I think a little moral relativism would help society as a whole.

How Peterson was raised doesn't make him a criminal.

Breaking the law by abusing his child makes him a criminal.

Not sure where the child abuse allegations keep coming from (oh wait, over reaction by our society in general). I do believe the actual charges are for child endagerment.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The dude clearly got raised differently than you or I, or the majority of the folks on this board. Does that make him a criminal? I personally don't think so. If he goes about parenting the wrong way due to his previous experiences, perhaps education is the answer rather than ostracism. Based on what I've read of this whole situation, I've come to the conclusion he thought he did best for his child, even if we believe he did harm. Three generations ago, this style of parenting was pretty normal. Perhaps he's a few generations behind, but imo, that doesn't make him a criminal. People are just too quick to judge these days. I think a little moral relativism would help society as a whole.

How Peterson was raised doesn't make him a criminal.

Breaking the law by abusing his child makes him a criminal.

Not sure where the child abuse allegations keep coming from (oh wait, over reaction by our society in general). I do believe the actual charges are for child endagerment.

That's just the legal term.... He is a POS as far as my labeling system .

 

[davearm]

The dude clearly got raised differently than you or I, or the majority of the folks on this board. Does that make him a criminal? I personally don't think so. If he goes about parenting the wrong way due to his previous experiences, perhaps education is the answer rather than ostracism. Based on what I've read of this whole situation, I've come to the conclusion he thought he did best for his child, even if we believe he did harm. Three generations ago, this style of parenting was pretty normal. Perhaps he's a few generations behind, but imo, that doesn't make him a criminal. People are just too quick to judge these days. I think a little moral relativism would help society as a whole.

How Peterson was raised doesn't make him a criminal.

Breaking the law by abusing his child makes him a criminal.

Not sure where the child abuse allegations keep coming from (oh wait, over reaction by our society in general). I do believe the actual charges are for child endagerment.

He whipped a 4 year old with a stick, repeatedly. He has said this to the authorities. Wounds were visible over a week later.

If that behavior doesn't rise to the level of child abuse under Texas law, then that's an indictment of Texas law, not evidence that abuse did not occur.

 

[tjnc09]

Are people dropping Peterson? Already dropped?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Are people dropping Peterson? Already dropped?

He got dropped in my league this week. I picked him up.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Still holding... Idk what the right answer is.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Has the boys mom come out and said anything?

That she wants the photos removed from websites.

invasion of privacy continues, but no one talking about that. Those pics were evidence and sealed but still managed to get out and nobody cares.

So which are you more concerned with, the pictures getting out or what the pictures show?

Both, but the invasion scares me. Its highly illegal for court documents to leak out and yet no one gives a crap and no one ever gets in trouble for it.