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Peyton Manning wins 4th MVP award (1 Viewer)
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IDrinkyourMilkshake
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I wouldn't have voted for him last year but he deserves to win this one. 
Hopefully Johnson and Rivers got some votes this time.
Hopefully Johnson and Rivers got some votes this time.
trader jake
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Well deserved. Only Polian stopped him this season.
CletiusMaximus
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my mid-season flyer on Chris Johnson at +3000 allowed me to feel smart for a few weeks, but it was not to be
David Yudkin
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Manning got 39 1/2 votes to 7 1/2 for Drew Brees as only quarterbacks who received any backing. Other votes went to San Diego’s Philip Rivers with two, and Minnesota’s Brett Favre with one.
SuperAwesomeDude
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no votes for woodson, revis or chris johnson?
should be called QB of the Year Award
should be called QB of the Year Award
Absolutely the least deserving of any of the major candidates 
Brees, Favre, and Rivers all had better cases
His reputation has become so overblown that people will continue to vote for him regardless of his actual performance on the field unless he just completely blows it
This is quickly becoming some sort of career/reputation award and not a recognition of what actually happened THIS season
Brees, Favre, and Rivers all had better cases
His reputation has become so overblown that people will continue to vote for him regardless of his actual performance on the field unless he just completely blows it
This is quickly becoming some sort of career/reputation award and not a recognition of what actually happened THIS season
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Ghost Rider
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Absolutely the least deserving of any of the major candidates
For example, Favre had a great season, but there is no way he had a better case. The Vikings were already a playoff team without him. Do you honestly think the Colts would have made the playoffs if they had lost Peyton Manning?Manning is gonna be seen as probably the greatest QB in alot of eyes when he retires, and probably deserving especially if he at least gets another ring because he will hold alot of bigtime records also, but I agree about his rep being "overblown" even though the guy IS a friggen GREAT QB no doubt. I just don't get all the talk that it was a no brainer and a lock for him to get it, I mean, CJ just came within a half of a game of breaking the ALL TIME rushing record, he goes over 2000 AND breaks the all purpose yardage record and gets NO VOTES, that doesn't seem right I don't care what his teams record was, without CJ, Tenn. could have went 2-14 so what does "most valuable" mean anymore, really.Absolutely the least deserving of any of the major candidates
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Joke
Ghost Rider
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Players on 8-8 teams NEVER get major consideration for the MVP of the league. Chris Johnson had an unbelievable season, yes, but the fact that the Titans turnaround happened the minute Vince Young started playing again, made many wonder if Johnson truly was the most valuable Titan this season (fair or not).
Man In The Box
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Slam dunk. This wasn't his best statistical season, but the Colts probably win 3 games without him. He's that valuable.
Tau837
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I'm disappointed Rivers didn't get more votes. I expected Manning to win, but I don't see the rationale of overwhelming support for Brees over Rivers in the next position.As for the bolded, I don't know why this is said so often. Jim Brown and Johnny Unitas each also won 3 times, and neither of them shared the award, as Favre did with Barry Sanders in 1997.
Players on 8-8 teams NEVER get major consideration for the MVP of the league. Chris Johnson had an unbelievable season, yes, but the fact that the Titans turnaround happened the minute Vince Young started playing again, made many wonder if Johnson truly was the most valuable Titan this season (fair or not).
For those that bring up Young making the difference in the turnaround I would say, put Young in WITHOUT CJ and see how many games they would have won, plus CJ was getting his yards without Young, the guy broke an all time record and still got no votes. I guess a good measuring stick would be to look up other 2000 yard rushers and see if they won the award that year, maybe there is not much difference between CJ and the others that did it.
For those that bring up Young making the difference in the turnaround I would say, put Young in WITHOUT CJ and see how many games they would have won, plus CJ was getting his yards without Young, the guy broke an all time record and still got no votes. I guess a good measuring stick would be to look up other 2000 yard rushers and see if they won the award that year, maybe there is not much difference between CJ and the others that did it.
Man In The Box
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Big difference between CJ and other backs who had 2,000 yard seasons and won the MVP is that they were all on playoff teams. Dickerson didn't win it in 1984 even though his team did make the playoffs. Same with Jamal Lewis. OJ Simpson may be the exception since he did it in 14 games.
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Spin
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1973: O. J. Simpson - Simpson won the MVP1984: Eric Dickerson - Marino won1997: Barry Sanders - Shared MVP with Favre1998: Terrell Davis - Davis won2003: Jamal Lewis - Manning and McNair shared2009: Chris Johnson - Manning wonSo of the 6 who broke the 2k mark, 3 of them won the MVP, with Sanders sharing in it 97. Interesting that it was shared in 2003 also, but Lewis wasn't a part of it.
treat88
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This.That simply isn't a very talented team without Manning on it.No-brainer decision.
Green and Gold
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Regardless of statistics, I doubt there is any player in the league that means more to his team than Manning.
Interesting fact is that OJ's team in '73 did NOT make the playoffs although they were 9-5.Also, Sanders '97 Lions came in THIRD in the DIVISION yet made wildcard.Really not much here, although OJ's team could have been 3-11 that year and he probably still would have won it.
Mario Kart
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Manning getting the MVP this year is a joke.
True but IMO he had the greatest season a RB has ever had and that has to get you some votes and it he should also win offensive player of the year. I don't think people fully appreciate the season he had. Running for 2,000 is one major accomplishment but I'm even more impressed that he topped Marshall Faulk's record for most yards in a season. When you consider the offense Marshall played on versus the Titans it's unbelievable he could break that record.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Thanks for your contribution and adding your reasoning.
Mario Kart
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And your contribution and reasoning in this thread is in the original quoted post above. That is very informative.Thank you.For adding your contribution.And, your reasoning.Manning getting the MVP.Is a joke. HTH
JohnnyU
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Hardly, but I think Chris Johnson was more deserving.
Hang 10
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Who was more valuable to their team?
I'd say it's not much of a debate on this in light of his poor backups. However, if we remove his lack of quality backup from the equation I'd not say he is not any more valuable to his team than a host of other QB's such as Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, etc, etc. In fact if I had to pick one player who was most valuable to his team this year I'd go with Rivers because the Chargers are one of the worst running teams in the NFL.
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Mario Kart
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Using this reasoning, isn't Manning going to win the award every year since he is "most valuable to their team"? The award is not MVPTTT. I think Johnson was much more deserving. Revis, actually, using the above reasoning was pretty darn important to his team. Brees is pretty important to his team. The Colts still win 10 games or more without Manning. New Orleans, not so sure. Even if Tennessee only wins 8 games, Johnson put up numbers no one would have predicted possible. He is on Tennessee of all teams. His production outweighed that of Manning's alone.
Hang 10
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Well, there you have it. So you agree, we should just give Manning the award every year...well, at least until there's actually a better player whose more valuable to his team.
Mario Kart
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So, the award will be given out next year before game 1. Awesome. What a grand year of football that will be. Vegas is going to love those prop bets.And, I do not agree with "Manning is the most important to his team" sentiment.Well, there you have it. So you agree, we should just give Manning the award every year...well, at least until there's actually a better player whose more valuable to his team.
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He damn near is winning the award every year. I agree with you the reasoning is flawed. The Colt's built the team around Peyton and put most of their money on the offensive side of the ball so the team is built to revolve around Peyton so of course he's always going to be valuable to his team.I think Chris Johnson had the best offensive year but I don't have a real big issue with Peyton winning. If anything I'd have liked to see the NFL voters steal a page from the NBA MVP voters. In the NBA they don't like to keep giving the award to the same person so if all things are equal and you've won the award recently you are probably going to lose out to an equal candidate who had put in their dues for several years but not won. This is why Jordan did not win MVP every year. In this case I felt Rivers, Brees, and Johnson to name a few were at least on par with Peyton in terms of both team and individual success and I'd have preferred to see them give the award to someone new.
David Yudkin
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See Post #6.
Hang 10
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Yeah, what a travesty! I can't believe they give the best player in the league the MVP award so often.So, the award will be given out next year before game 1. Awesome. What a grand year of football that will be. Vegas is going to love those prop bets.And, I do not agree with "Manning is the most important to his team" sentiment.Well, there you have it. So you agree, we should just give Manning the award every year...well, at least until there's actually a better player whose more valuable to his team.
Mario Kart
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Which is it? Best player in the league or best player on his team now? I don't think anyone would argue that Manning is arguably the best player on his team. However, that is not how the MVP should be voted on. Manning, this year was not the best player in the league and that is what the debate is about. There are at least a handful of others that could lay claim to that title, unfortunately, the voting did not turn out that way.Yeah, what a travesty! I can't believe they give the best player in the league the MVP award so often.
David Yudkin
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The way this year went is in line with how MVP balloting typically has been conducted for years. Predominently, the MVP as selected has most frequently been the QB from the best team provided he had an impressive stat line to support his selection. So Peyton Manning this year would get it but Kerry Collins last year would not. Had Chris Johnson put up the numbers he did this year in 2008, Johnson most likely would have been the MVP last year as the Titans had the best record in the NFL last year.Which is it? Best player in the league or best player on his team now? I don't think anyone would argue that Manning is arguably the best player on his team. However, that is not how the MVP should be voted on. Manning, this year was not the best player in the league and that is what the debate is about. There are at least a handful of others that could lay claim to that title, unfortunately, the voting did not turn out that way.Yeah, what a travesty! I can't believe they give the best player in the league the MVP award so often.
Man In The Box
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He's also the best player in the league. And the most valuable. Playing quarterback in the NFL is the toughest position to play in sports. Period. The level that Manning has played at his position for as long as he has is almost mind-boggling. Players on losing teams just simply don't get the MVP in the NFL. It happens in other sports, baseball for instance. And I disagree with it when it happens. If the Titans didn't have Chris Johnson, they'd be right where they are today. On their couches at home watching the games. This is coming from someone who absolutely LOVES Chris Johnson. He might be my favorite player that doesn't play for my team.I would have voted for Rivers second, and I think he may win one or two of these before all is said and done.I'm not going to comment on the fact that you think the Colts would win 10+ games without Manning.
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Happy Ragnarok
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Who are we calling an average replacement-level NFL starting QB these days? Palmer? McNabb? Flacco? Ryan?Sure, this Colts team would suck with JaMarcus under center, but who wouldn't? With an average QB, this Colt team is WAY better than 3 wins.
Man In The Box
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I never said anything about replacing Manning with an average QB from another team. I said that this Colts team, without Manning, wins 3 games. So, replace Manning with Sorgi or Painter. They win 3 games.Who are we calling an average replacement-level NFL starting QB these days? Palmer? McNabb? Flacco? Ryan?Sure, this Colts team would suck with JaMarcus under center, but who wouldn't? With an average QB, this Colt team is WAY better than 3 wins.
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
I don't know how great an endorsement it is of a player's value to suggest that replacing him with a player who sucks would suck. That's more a condemnation of Indy's depth than an endorsement of Manning.I never said anything about replacing Manning with an average QB from another team. I said that this Colts team, without Manning, wins 3 games. So, replace Manning with Sorgi or Painter. They win 3 games.Who are we calling an average replacement-level NFL starting QB these days? Palmer? McNabb? Flacco? Ryan?Sure, this Colts team would suck with JaMarcus under center, but who wouldn't? With an average QB, this Colt team is WAY better than 3 wins.
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Tau837
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1. They would win more than 3 games with Sorgi. Not sure about Painter, but probably with him too.2. You could say something similar about other teams (Saints, Chargers, Packers, and Cowboys, off the top of my head).I never said anything about replacing Manning with an average QB from another team. I said that this Colts team, without Manning, wins 3 games. So, replace Manning with Sorgi or Painter. They win 3 games.Who are we calling an average replacement-level NFL starting QB these days? Palmer? McNabb? Flacco? Ryan?Sure, this Colts team would suck with JaMarcus under center, but who wouldn't? With an average QB, this Colt team is WAY better than 3 wins.
Tau837
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I don't know how great an endorsement it is of a player's value to suggest that replacing him with a player who sucks would suck.I never said anything about replacing Manning with an average QB from another team. I said that this Colts team, without Manning, wins 3 games. So, replace Manning with Sorgi or Painter. They win 3 games.Who are we calling an average replacement-level NFL starting QB these days? Palmer? McNabb? Flacco? Ryan?Sure, this Colts team would suck with JaMarcus under center, but who wouldn't? With an average QB, this Colt team is WAY better than 3 wins.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
lolwut?
with any half decent QB, absolutely YESyou seem to think the Colts are a bunch of incompetents without Manningthink again, they are absolutely a very good TEAMhowever if you want to argue that the Vikings proved they are a playoff team without Favre, you need to pay more attention to what's been going on with the Vikes.Their offensive line and running game are NOWHERE near as effective as last year. This isn't the same team that made the playoffs last year.And if "wouldn't have made the playoffs without him" is your argument, PLEASE explain how that makes Manning more valuable than either Brees or RiversFor example, Favre had a great season, but there is no way he had a better case. The Vikings were already a playoff team without him. Do you honestly think the Colts would have made the playoffs if they had lost Peyton Manning?
2 years ago you would probably felt the same way if someone told you the Pats would win 10 games without Brady.
