Da Guru
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Wherever Manning ends up he will put in the new offense or the offense will be tailored to him, he will not have to adapt to anything.
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Peyton Manning won't delay $28M bonus (1 Viewer)
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NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
In response to both questions, has there ever been an example of a player taking such a huge bonus while being more seriously injured than the team may have known? Taking the money and not even making it in to training camp and not playing a down of football? I don't think so and that is why I feel this is a unique situation. I believe Manning knew his situation was worse than the colts realized, but even if he didn't, they gave him all that money for the 2011 season. The colts gave him the 20 Million in good faith and their reward for that is to be held over a barrel and being told to go pound sand. Now the Colts either have to pony up another 28 million for a guy that may not play again this year (or ever) or let him and the 20 million walk away and getting absolutely nothing in return. In other words, imho, the colts did right by him and in return he is shoving it right up their ###. As I said in my op, he is a 1st ballot hall of famer and one of the best ever. I am not a colts fan so it's no skin off my back; however, there is a very distinct odor emanating from one side of this whole debacle.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
The Colts turn?Manning re-structured, he didn't take a hit, he got all his money like he ALWAYS does.
I don't believe the Colts want him to eat 28 million, I think they would like him, given the situation, to work with them so that A. they know for sure he is healthy before they pee away another 28 million, or B. if he wants to leave, then work with the team and allow them to get something in return (if for no other reason than the 20 million he took for doing nothing last year).
You say manning did his job, no he didn't, he took 20 mil and did not play a down of football for them.
Boy do I disagree with this big time. You're basically conjecturing that Manning realized he wouldn't be able to play at all this year and kept the info from the Colts - I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe that. From what I understood Manning and the doctors were hoping the nerves would regenerate faster than they did, and this is what led to the next surgery, but if you have evidence that Manning deliberately held information from the team so he could be paid, I'd love to see it. Also, as far as I know, the Colts didn't give him the 20 million in "good faith". It was part of his contract, a contract that includes clauses dealing with injuries. They were legally bound to pay him whatever the contract stated. Just my .02, I could be wrong, but I have never heard anything that leads me to think Manning is a deceitful, money-grubbing liar, which is what you are saying he is - from what I understand he's a pretty great guy.
The Colts took a lot of tries at different players since umm Baltimore? Geesh it was a long time since they were year in year out winners. There was probably more than 1000 NFL players, some HOFers like Marshall Faulk, on Colts rosters over the years that did not have the same effect that Manning had on that team. What's that worth?
He is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. The NFL has certainly benefited from his presence as well.
I understand paid to do a job and investing in a player and all, but when a player made an owner more than a billion, 20 mil seems like "counting pennies" to me.
It's pathetic, but in many scenarios here- if Luck doesn't pan out, the Colts will then realize how much Peyton was worth and what it was like before Peyton
the notion that Manning made 20 mil and didn't play a down gives off thoughts that he was sitting in a recliner somewhere when in reality he was getting cut up by doctors and going through whatever rehab and (we all know) watching 10k hours of film. Also, it is probably a very strong prediction to state that KC, Painter, Caldwell and others asked his opinion on game plans, film, and everything else. I doubt it felt like a vacation for Manning
massraider
Footballguy
NE_REVIVAL just thinks everyone should give back their salary for the year if they get injured. You know, the way Brady did in 2008.
AmosMoses
Footballguy
Wow... that just reminded me that the guy that took out Brady is going to play against him tomorrow.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I am saying he MAY very well have known it was a lot more serious than the colts realized. I think Polian may have been fired for not knowing and not doing enough due diligence to protect the team. But this was manning, the face of the franchise and a very unique situation. Put yourself in mannings shoes, do you really think while he was negotiating a new contract he went out of his way to tell them everything? How many of us would if we were in his place? But if you took all that money and didn't play would you hold the organization over a barell or work with them. I think I would feel at least some obligation to work with them; reasonable minds may dissagree. The good faith was that manning would be able to play and therefore earn the 20 mil they just gave him. Yes, good faith, since he was injured when they gave it to him, not AFTER he signed. If not good faith, what would do you call it? Some (Irsay?) might call it blind stupidity.....Lets say for a moment that you are right and manning had no idea it was a serious as it was. He still took 20 million and did basically nothing in return. Do you really believe it is unreasonable for the colts to think that manning, being a pretty nice guy, would return their good faith and work with them?. Manning shouldnt feel any obligation for taking 20 million for his services in 2011 and then not providing any? They had faith in him that he would be ready and he wasn't so now it is just tuff luck on you colts I am moving on.In response to another poster, no, if a player is hurt while playing of course he should not have to give anything back; however, this is a totally different situation.Bottom line is I think the colts did right by manning and he is not doing right by them in return.Sadly the haters\morons are coming out now and since I expressed an opinion they do not agree with they think it is ok to hope brady gets hurt :( For that reason I am done with the thread.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. It's not like the Colts are worth over $1 BILLION, or that $50M would only be 20% of their annual revenue, or that if they did pay out $50M this year to their QBs, that it would drop to less than $20M they'd have to pay out next year, or that they have lower operating costs than many NFL teams because of their sweet deal with Indy where they only have to pay $250K in rent for their stadium but get up to $3.5M of NET profits from all non-football related events held there, or that Irsay is so focused on having a winner in Indianapolis that he sold off some of his personal real-estate holdings to finance the team when they were losing money years earlier.You're rightWhat do you think these owners pay with Monopoly money?
, what was I thinking? 
metoo
Footballguy
I don't see anything ballsy about this, Manning is just doing the best thing for himself. He will either retire or get cut. I think Manning is handling the situation correctly. By not talking to the media he won't look like a bad guy by the average fan and he will be able to sign with a contender if he doesn't retire.
cstu
Footballguy
The more I read about Manning's neck and the contract he signed, it makes me wonder if Irsay's plan all along was to tank the season to get Luck and cut Manning.
In this article after his first surgery, Dr. Riaz is very pessimistic about Manning's ability to play again, especially not in 2011. He is even confused about why Irsay would talk about Manning's nerves regenerating when they don't.
Manning's contract was signed after the first surgery and it would have been clear to Irsay that Manning was at least done for 2011 and most likely forever.
Then in an article from Dec. 21 he says that even though the Colts knew he wouldn't play this year Manning wasn't placed on IR so that they could watch his recovery. However, it seems more likely that by not putting Manning on IR they were able to tie up an extra spot to make them less competitive and more likely to get Luck.
Then there's construction of Manning's contract. It did in fact free up $5M in cap space but Irsay must surely have known he was never going to pay Manning $28M this year after he was coming off neck surgery and missing 2011.
In this article after his first surgery, Dr. Riaz is very pessimistic about Manning's ability to play again, especially not in 2011. He is even confused about why Irsay would talk about Manning's nerves regenerating when they don't.
Manning's contract was signed after the first surgery and it would have been clear to Irsay that Manning was at least done for 2011 and most likely forever.
Then in an article from Dec. 21 he says that even though the Colts knew he wouldn't play this year Manning wasn't placed on IR so that they could watch his recovery. However, it seems more likely that by not putting Manning on IR they were able to tie up an extra spot to make them less competitive and more likely to get Luck.
Then there's construction of Manning's contract. It did in fact free up $5M in cap space but Irsay must surely have known he was never going to pay Manning $28M this year after he was coming off neck surgery and missing 2011.
You make some fair points, at the same time I would say it is just as likely that if you are Manning and have never missed a game in your career a big part of you would probably be thinking you will be ok to play.
I don't buy this. What's especially weak is the argument about Manning not going on IR, thus preventing Indy from having one more player on their roster, making them less competitive? Seriously? Who really thinks that a street free-agent would have caused the Colts to win any more games? When you have to create this kind of conspiracy, it usually means one doesn't exist.
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identikit
Footballguy
Peyton Manning: Irsay, not Grigson, will decide his future with Colts
Written by
Bob Kravitz
Sorry, Rob Lowe.
Peyton Manning is not retiring, at least not any time soon.
"I never thought 'Sodapop Curtis' would announce my retirement," Manning said, laughing, referring to Lowe’s character in the 1983 movie "The Outsiders." "I always thought I would be the one to announce it. I'm a huge fan of the movie, but that caught me way off guard. I can't explain it. I know he (Lowe) is a friend of Jim's (Irsay), and Jim sounded surprised."
So no, Manning isn't on the cusp of retirement. In a wide-ranging, exclusive interview with The Star on Monday night, the Colts' future Hall of Fame quarterback addressed a number of pressing topics, including his health, his sadness over the firings of several coaches, his minimal relationship with new general manager Ryan Grigson and the future.
For the record, Manning and Grigson finally met, briefly, last week when the two ran across each other in the facility.
"One thing he (Grigson) kind-of, sort-of told me, without really wanting to tell me, was that Irsay will be the guy I'm going to sit down and talk with," Manning said. "That's going to happen at some point, but we haven't had that conversation yet because we really don't need to have that conversation yet."
Aside from Eli Manning's victory in the NFC title game in San Francisco, where Peyton was present to celebrate with his brother, this has been a rough week for Peyton --- and for a lot of the people who've made this one of the most successful organizations in sports over the years. Change is never easy.
"I'm not in a very good place for healing, let's say that," he said, referring to the practice facility. "It's not a real good environment down there right now, to say the least. Everybody's walking around on eggshells. I don't recognize our building right now. There's such complete and total change."
Manning didn't express anger about the firing of Jim Caldwell and so many assistant coaches as much as he expressed sadness, wistfulness even.
He was working out with strength and conditioning coach Jon Torine last week when word came down that Torine had been relieved of his duties. One day later, after Torine had cleaned out his office, he ran Manning one more time, for old time's sake.
"It was tough," Manning said. "Very emotional."
It's been difficult with all the coaches, many of whom have been with Manning since the beginning, or at least close to it. This franchise has been a model of stability and continuity; now it's all about change. When Manning hasn't been rehabilitating, he's been calling other franchises and offering recommendations on behalf of the departed coaches.
"One of the things about football is, it's a relationship business," Manning said. "Sometimes guys get fired, it goes across the ticker, 'Jim Caldwell got fired' and that's that. But when it's every day in a relationship business ... with Bill (Polian), with Marvin (Harrison), Edge (James), guys who retire, get cut, traded or fired, it's just really hard. I don’t think I have an emotion for it.
"The new (management) team doesn't have a relationship with these guys like I do, and I know a lot of players feel that way about them (the departing coaches), too."
He continued:
"I mean, it's 20 degrees, it's snowing, the building is absolutely empty except when you see coaches cleaning out their offices," he said. "I guess it's the reality of the football world, just not something I've had to deal with very often. But I'm in there every day, so I have to sit there and see it. Everybody's being evaluated and I'm no different. It's not the best environment.
"I just want to pay tribute to all those guys. It's unfortunate because so many of them have been such a big part of so many big wins here, and this is so ... sudden. Their keys didn't work the next day. There's no other way to do it? I don’t know. That's hard to see, all these people leaving.
"And I may be behind them. Who knows?"
The question was posed: Given all the changes, the fact the Colts appear to be in a rebuilding mode, does Manning even want to come back to Indianapolis?
"I don't want to get into some kind of fan campaign with the owner, but I think it's well documented that I want to play in the same place my whole career," Manning said. "It's been a privilege to play here. I love the fans, the city, the transformation of the fans, how our place has become the toughest stadium to play in, the fact our fans wear more jerseys to games than anybody else. It's been fun to be a part of that.
"But I understand how it works. I understand tough decisions have to be made. There's personal and there's business and that's where we’ve got to separate the two. I've seen other guys leave places and it was personal. I've invested too much into this city for that to happen. We live here, we've given lots of time and money to the community and our church, and that's never going to change Nothing changes that.
"Whatever happens, happens. I can't give you a prediction because Jim (Irsay) and I will sit down at some point and he'll get a feel for where I am and I’ll get a sense of what direction he wants to go. Right now, I have no idea."
As for Manning’s health, he's not all the way back yet, but he's not going to put any kinds of percentages on his recovery, nor will he predict whether he'll be at full strength by early March, when the $28 million option bonus is due. At this point, he just doesn't know.
"You've been around me: You know I don't like to say something like, 'There’s no way I can play Sunday,' then come out and play Sunday and everybody in the media is writing 'I can’t believe he’s playing,'" Manning said. "I'm not into the drama. And I'm not into saying, 'Well, this is it, I sure have enjoyed it.' I'm not into saying goodbye. All I know is I'm still under contract to the Colts. I'm still the quarterback of the Colts That's why I'm in the building every day trying to get healthy."
Manning continues to work out daily and throw to his beloved and overworked equipment guys, but this past Sunday, he got out of the facility. After watching the first two Giants' playoff games from the workout room, Peyton decided to surprise Eli and show up Sunday in San Francisco.
I asked if he told Eli it was his job to protect his Lucas Oil Stadium turf from the hated Patriots.
He laughed.
"Well, I've already gone to work for him, getting all my teammates, trying to get their two-ticket allotments," Manning said. "That's what he did for me two years ago and I did that for him four years ago. And I'm helping any way I can, getting him restaurant reservations around town for him and his teammates. Jim (Irsay) called after the game and offered any kind of help he could give, which was generous.
“As far as helping him with the Patriots, really, he doesn't need to talk to me. He played them seven weeks ago. We'll talk about things they do when you face them a second time in the same year, but he knows them better than I do right now.
"It was fun Sunday, we talked about third and long situations, the defense San Francisco likes to play. They’ve got (former Colts defensive coordinator) Vic Fangio, and we were saying, 'In this situation, they run this particular coverage, three rushing and eight in coverage, and there are only certain places you can throw it.' I didn't tell him to throw that post route on the touchdown, but that was the kind of defense he was seeing. So it's kind of fun to talk about that stuff.’"
Now, then, Manning will try to enjoy the Super Bowl madness, will continue to work out at the facility (until the team is kicked out to make way for the, gag, Patriots) and wait to see what unfolds in the front office. If and when the Colts are ready to talk --- likely in February --- Manning will be easy to find.
"I'm in the facility every day," he said. "I'm right there. They know where to find me."
When it's time to make an announcement one way or the other, Manning hopes he can do it on his own terms.
"Hopefully, Sodapop Curtis doesn't tweet it before I can say anything," he said.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120124/SPORTS15/120124015/Kravitz-Manning-says-Irsay-not-Grigson-will-decide-his-future-Colts?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
Written by
Bob Kravitz
Sorry, Rob Lowe.
Peyton Manning is not retiring, at least not any time soon.
"I never thought 'Sodapop Curtis' would announce my retirement," Manning said, laughing, referring to Lowe’s character in the 1983 movie "The Outsiders." "I always thought I would be the one to announce it. I'm a huge fan of the movie, but that caught me way off guard. I can't explain it. I know he (Lowe) is a friend of Jim's (Irsay), and Jim sounded surprised."
So no, Manning isn't on the cusp of retirement. In a wide-ranging, exclusive interview with The Star on Monday night, the Colts' future Hall of Fame quarterback addressed a number of pressing topics, including his health, his sadness over the firings of several coaches, his minimal relationship with new general manager Ryan Grigson and the future.
For the record, Manning and Grigson finally met, briefly, last week when the two ran across each other in the facility.
"One thing he (Grigson) kind-of, sort-of told me, without really wanting to tell me, was that Irsay will be the guy I'm going to sit down and talk with," Manning said. "That's going to happen at some point, but we haven't had that conversation yet because we really don't need to have that conversation yet."
Aside from Eli Manning's victory in the NFC title game in San Francisco, where Peyton was present to celebrate with his brother, this has been a rough week for Peyton --- and for a lot of the people who've made this one of the most successful organizations in sports over the years. Change is never easy.
"I'm not in a very good place for healing, let's say that," he said, referring to the practice facility. "It's not a real good environment down there right now, to say the least. Everybody's walking around on eggshells. I don't recognize our building right now. There's such complete and total change."
Manning didn't express anger about the firing of Jim Caldwell and so many assistant coaches as much as he expressed sadness, wistfulness even.
He was working out with strength and conditioning coach Jon Torine last week when word came down that Torine had been relieved of his duties. One day later, after Torine had cleaned out his office, he ran Manning one more time, for old time's sake.
"It was tough," Manning said. "Very emotional."
It's been difficult with all the coaches, many of whom have been with Manning since the beginning, or at least close to it. This franchise has been a model of stability and continuity; now it's all about change. When Manning hasn't been rehabilitating, he's been calling other franchises and offering recommendations on behalf of the departed coaches.
"One of the things about football is, it's a relationship business," Manning said. "Sometimes guys get fired, it goes across the ticker, 'Jim Caldwell got fired' and that's that. But when it's every day in a relationship business ... with Bill (Polian), with Marvin (Harrison), Edge (James), guys who retire, get cut, traded or fired, it's just really hard. I don’t think I have an emotion for it.
"The new (management) team doesn't have a relationship with these guys like I do, and I know a lot of players feel that way about them (the departing coaches), too."
He continued:
"I mean, it's 20 degrees, it's snowing, the building is absolutely empty except when you see coaches cleaning out their offices," he said. "I guess it's the reality of the football world, just not something I've had to deal with very often. But I'm in there every day, so I have to sit there and see it. Everybody's being evaluated and I'm no different. It's not the best environment.
"I just want to pay tribute to all those guys. It's unfortunate because so many of them have been such a big part of so many big wins here, and this is so ... sudden. Their keys didn't work the next day. There's no other way to do it? I don’t know. That's hard to see, all these people leaving.
"And I may be behind them. Who knows?"
The question was posed: Given all the changes, the fact the Colts appear to be in a rebuilding mode, does Manning even want to come back to Indianapolis?
"I don't want to get into some kind of fan campaign with the owner, but I think it's well documented that I want to play in the same place my whole career," Manning said. "It's been a privilege to play here. I love the fans, the city, the transformation of the fans, how our place has become the toughest stadium to play in, the fact our fans wear more jerseys to games than anybody else. It's been fun to be a part of that.
"But I understand how it works. I understand tough decisions have to be made. There's personal and there's business and that's where we’ve got to separate the two. I've seen other guys leave places and it was personal. I've invested too much into this city for that to happen. We live here, we've given lots of time and money to the community and our church, and that's never going to change Nothing changes that.
"Whatever happens, happens. I can't give you a prediction because Jim (Irsay) and I will sit down at some point and he'll get a feel for where I am and I’ll get a sense of what direction he wants to go. Right now, I have no idea."
As for Manning’s health, he's not all the way back yet, but he's not going to put any kinds of percentages on his recovery, nor will he predict whether he'll be at full strength by early March, when the $28 million option bonus is due. At this point, he just doesn't know.
"You've been around me: You know I don't like to say something like, 'There’s no way I can play Sunday,' then come out and play Sunday and everybody in the media is writing 'I can’t believe he’s playing,'" Manning said. "I'm not into the drama. And I'm not into saying, 'Well, this is it, I sure have enjoyed it.' I'm not into saying goodbye. All I know is I'm still under contract to the Colts. I'm still the quarterback of the Colts That's why I'm in the building every day trying to get healthy."
Manning continues to work out daily and throw to his beloved and overworked equipment guys, but this past Sunday, he got out of the facility. After watching the first two Giants' playoff games from the workout room, Peyton decided to surprise Eli and show up Sunday in San Francisco.
I asked if he told Eli it was his job to protect his Lucas Oil Stadium turf from the hated Patriots.
He laughed.
"Well, I've already gone to work for him, getting all my teammates, trying to get their two-ticket allotments," Manning said. "That's what he did for me two years ago and I did that for him four years ago. And I'm helping any way I can, getting him restaurant reservations around town for him and his teammates. Jim (Irsay) called after the game and offered any kind of help he could give, which was generous.
“As far as helping him with the Patriots, really, he doesn't need to talk to me. He played them seven weeks ago. We'll talk about things they do when you face them a second time in the same year, but he knows them better than I do right now.
"It was fun Sunday, we talked about third and long situations, the defense San Francisco likes to play. They’ve got (former Colts defensive coordinator) Vic Fangio, and we were saying, 'In this situation, they run this particular coverage, three rushing and eight in coverage, and there are only certain places you can throw it.' I didn't tell him to throw that post route on the touchdown, but that was the kind of defense he was seeing. So it's kind of fun to talk about that stuff.’"
Now, then, Manning will try to enjoy the Super Bowl madness, will continue to work out at the facility (until the team is kicked out to make way for the, gag, Patriots) and wait to see what unfolds in the front office. If and when the Colts are ready to talk --- likely in February --- Manning will be easy to find.
"I'm in the facility every day," he said. "I'm right there. They know where to find me."
When it's time to make an announcement one way or the other, Manning hopes he can do it on his own terms.
"Hopefully, Sodapop Curtis doesn't tweet it before I can say anything," he said.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120124/SPORTS15/120124015/Kravitz-Manning-says-Irsay-not-Grigson-will-decide-his-future-Colts?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Sounds like Peyton has a good head on his shoulders. Shocking revelation, I realize 
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Seems to be a pretty perfect discussion for him. Honest and frank for the most part. No hyperbole and looking for fans to back him up. I'm willing to bet it's worse in that complex than he said with the changes happening. Small change is hard for many people, large change is hard for most people. And not for nothing but I love his Poppa John's commercial - man's gotta work.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
It's already started, and yes, it is funny.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
That was a great article. It's kind of sad that candor is so uncommon in pieces like this, that when we see it, it shines. But you are right that Manning seems to be pretty unhappy, but pragmatic, too. I am betting he's assuming he won't be back, and it making peace with it.
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
I've seen no indication that he will even play in 2012. I'm not sure what he expects the Colts to do. To me, they are left with no other alternative but to cut him given Manning's stance on his contract situation and the condition of this neck.
identikit
Footballguy
Hoss/Johnny U agrees with you.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
What kind of indication are you looking for?
pantherclub
Footballguy
Him throwing the ball would be starters.
ditka...mike ditka
Footballguy
I donn't buy CTSU's thoughts, but you call out his argument being "especially weak" because of a pretty silly reason given what is going on with Sterling Moore in New England.
What does Sterling Moore have to do with Peyton Manning? Do you really think a street free-agent would have made a difference in the Colts season?
ditka...mike ditka
Footballguy
My mistake. Wasn't thinking Colts only, which you were. But either way in todays NFL I think most teams can catch lightening in a bottle and may only be 1 player away.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
That isn't very smart. Why go to Team X and force them to trade away players/picks to get Manning when he could go there for free? If he wanted to go to the Ravens to try to win the Super Bowl, his odds of winning would be much higher than if to go to Baltimore the Ravens had to give up their first round pick and Haloti Ngata. If he wants to win a SB, his best chance would be to go to a team as a FA, not via trade.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
...and in the end, that is all either party owes the other. Silly to think that Indy "owes" the bonus due to "years of service", and even sillier that Manning should "give the hometown discount" for taking the money last year.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
He has been throwing for a while now.
cstu
Footballguy
At full strength?
cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
That's not the only option, they could have made a trade for someone who would have made an impact.This isn't something I actually believe I was just throwing out a theory based on what I'd read.
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Not trying to be flip, but in this case, that one player was Peyton Manning.
Who? What QB "that could have made an impact" could they have traded for before the trade deadline? McNabb? Orton? Since McNabb was reported to have had trouble with picking up the Skins & Vikes offense the last 2 years, what makes anyone think he could have/would have been any better than Collins, Painter, et al? The Colts didn't have to trade for Orton, they could have claimed him off waivers. If he really could have "made a difference," they could have cut someone other than Manning to make room.The only QB I think "could" have made that impact was Palmer. And, the Bengals weren't trading him until the Raiders offered a kings ransom for him. The Colts would have been lambasted if they had made that trade, for those picks (especially after they had signed Collins for $4M).
The argument that Peyton occupied a roster spot is "evidence" that the Colts were tanking for Luck doesn't hold water. I'm not saying they weren't (although I don't think they were), but using this as any kind of "proof" is ridiculous.
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NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Because the Colts gave him 20 Million Dollars last year in good faith thinking he would play and he didn't.[QUOTE='Chase Stuart]If he wanted to go to the Ravens to try to win the Super Bowl, his odds of winning would be much higher than if to go to Baltimore the Ravens had to give up their first round pick and Haloti Ngata. If he wants to win a SB, his best chance would be to go to a team as a FA, not via trade.
[/QUOTE] If it is all about winning a SB, wouldn't his odds also be much higher if he took a small salary from whatever team he went to? (so they could sign players around him). But we all know that sure as heck isn't going to happen.He has the colts over a barrel and he is within his right to put the screws to them. I never said he needs to give Indy all the power, I just thought that given the relationship and especially considering the 20 Million he took last year, he could work with them to show them he is healthy or work with them so that they get something. Reasonable minds can dissagree.
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Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
His Peyton Man Thing?
You must have been furious at Tom Brady when he signed an extension and became the NFL's highest paid player at that time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/09/tom-brady-contract-extens_n_711578.html
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
good one.
Short Corner
Footballguy
I don't know that it's not going to happen. My guess is that he would have to take a small base salary with incentives. I don't know any team that would guarantee him a big contract given that he just sat out a full season due to injury.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Listening to Bill Polian on Mike & Mike this morning, I think Manning is 100% gone from Indy.
Polian and Mort hinted that Irsay's main hope would be that Peyton would agree to retire this year, and they would send him out in style. But they both acknowledged that Manning won't do that and that means he'll be playing elsewhere next year. It seemed that they believe there won't be any kind of games played, the most likely scenario will be the Colts declining the bonus, making Manning free to sign anywhere.
Polian and Mort hinted that Irsay's main hope would be that Peyton would agree to retire this year, and they would send him out in style. But they both acknowledged that Manning won't do that and that means he'll be playing elsewhere next year. It seemed that they believe there won't be any kind of games played, the most likely scenario will be the Colts declining the bonus, making Manning free to sign anywhere.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Jason, do you get the feeling that Irsay believes Manning's injury is serious enough that he can't play anymore? Or has reality escaped Irsay? Or has reality escaped Manning?
AmosMoses
Footballguy
I think in that same interview Polian gave a strong message of helplessness regarding Manning's ability to heal. It gave me the feeling that Polian didn't think Manning was going to come back at all. But I could be reading into ####.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I didn't get a feeling of that either way Hoss, but Polian was very emphatic (and he should know) that there's no test, drill, doctor, x-ray, etc...that will give them clarity about Manning's health anywhere close to the time they will have to decide what to do with him. Polian's point seemed to be that Irsay really wants to do right by Manning, but that can't reasonably be paying him $28mm and hoping for the best. And when asked if Manning could deal with Luck as his backup, Polian chose his words carefully and said that Peyton cares about winning games, and wants every decision the team makes to be about winning games. I took that to mean Polian was saying, "of course he wouldn't be happy with it."'Hoss_Cartwright said:
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Actually, the Collins signing is pretty strong evidence that they weren't planning to Suck For Luck. Otherwise they wouldn't have spent $4 million on Collins in the first place.I'm sure the plans changed once Collins got injured, though.%26%2339%3BLawFitz%26%2339%3B said:
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Riffraff
Footballguy
Just have to assume Pantherclub didn't (fully) read the article posted 2 hours before he replied with this. Although he was replying to your response to the article.
Too bad there's no regular staff or receivers left at the facility to work with.
grateful zed
Footballguy
why are you guys getting so worked up over this?
