Planned Parenthood leaked video (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

BST,

So if the Supreme Court tomorrow decides to grant personhood and all the rights associated with it to unborn babies, how does this change your stance? You seem to be cool with whatever the law decides but doesn't this create a moral dilemma for you?

Ill fight against it. And accept it until its changed.

I wont go nefarious and try to force my sensibilities on others to undermine the laws and ruin families, doctors and clinics (like conservatives do).

Ill flatly move to get that personhood revoked on the basis of the mothers right to her own body and own decisions.

Because now every single miscarriage must be investigated and every single woman will then be guilty of a whole host of crimes (incl murder) an that person is entitled to be treated as such.

Yikes, you would fight for the right to kill babies?

Ill fight for the right of the woman to remain in control of her own body and make her decisions for herself. Including her pregnancy.

If you/somebody tried to usurp my right (as a man) to make my own decisions... I would be willing to kill people over it.

Then why did you ever cite the law as some kind of proof of something? You are all over the map here. The only thing I know is that you are depraved individual that has no problems killing unborn babies, including viable ones. The kinda guy that compares babies in the womb to ear wax. Sad.

I think its a horrible and horrendous outcome. And your other option is even worse.

 

[Jayrod]

Do we all agree that abortions are unfortunate and wish they were less common?

Can we at least agree on this?

I haven't read any other part of this thread.

But for me, the answer is no. Mainly because "unfortunate" and "less common" don't fully explain my position.

I believe abortion is an abhorred practice and should be allowed only in life or death situations. I guess those technically fall under "unfortunate" and "less common", but those terms I reserve for things like when my child spills milk or when I get to the office and forget my office keys.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

BST,

So if the Supreme Court tomorrow decides to grant personhood and all the rights associated with it to unborn babies, how does this change your stance? You seem to be cool with whatever the law decides but doesn't this create a moral dilemma for you?

Ill fight against it. And accept it until its changed.

I wont go nefarious and try to force my sensibilities on others to undermine the laws and ruin families, doctors and clinics (like conservatives do).

Ill flatly move to get that personhood revoked on the basis of the mothers right to her own body and own decisions.

Because now every single miscarriage must be investigated and every single woman will then be guilty of a whole host of crimes (incl murder) an that person is entitled to be treated as such.

Yikes, you would fight for the right to kill babies?

Ill fight for the right of the woman to remain in control of her own body and make her decisions for herself. Including her pregnancy.

If you/somebody tried to usurp my right (as a man) to make my own decisions... I would be willing to kill people over it.

And if your body was hooked up to a machine that fed you and sustained you? Would you hand over the right to make decisions to the person who controlled the machine?

I dont care, that's not the discussion at hand. Start another thread.

No, that's exactly the discussion at hand: the determination of life and personhood based on the mechanism which provides one's sustainability and viability. Based on that would you concede that someone else then has natural control over your decisions and body?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/729149-planned-parenthood-leaked-video/?p=18202655

You guys asked a ton of questions. Now step up and address this one yourself.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

BST,

So if the Supreme Court tomorrow decides to grant personhood and all the rights associated with it to unborn babies, how does this change your stance? You seem to be cool with whatever the law decides but doesn't this create a moral dilemma for you?

Ill fight against it. And accept it until its changed.

I wont go nefarious and try to force my sensibilities on others to undermine the laws and ruin families, doctors and clinics (like conservatives do).

Ill flatly move to get that personhood revoked on the basis of the mothers right to her own body and own decisions.

Because now every single miscarriage must be investigated and every single woman will then be guilty of a whole host of crimes (incl murder) an that person is entitled to be treated as such.

Yikes, you would fight for the right to kill babies?

Ill fight for the right of the woman to remain in control of her own body and make her decisions for herself. Including her pregnancy.

If you/somebody tried to usurp my right (as a man) to make my own decisions... I would be willing to kill people over it.

And if your body was hooked up to a machine that fed you and sustained you? Would you hand over the right to make decisions to the person who controlled the machine?

I dont care, that's not the discussion at hand. Start another thread.

No, that's exactly the discussion at hand: the determination of life and personhood based on the mechanism which provides one's sustainability and viability. Based on that would you concede that someone else then has natural control over your decisions and body?

They had already been granted that status (personhood) and people can lose some of that status until their healthy.

Im not making any statement one-way-or-another, just saying what the facts are.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

1. So we know the laws making legal/illegal make no difference.
2. But we will put our women (some 43-65%) into jail or executed for making these decisions or having accidents.
3. Literally half of our women (and girls?) would disappear off the streets.
4. And you must investigate every single occurrence.
5. Because anything less would not be giving personhood rights and protections to these fetus/embryos.

These are good points.

Why not just have public hospitals where girls can be taken care of? If we had public hospitals girls could be put into care, their treatment could be provided for, and they would be given a place to live.

Why not think of a compromise where public health can be promoted and used to help people and conservatives can be satisfied they are saving "lives", thereby promoting both interests at the same time?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why not just have public hospitals where girls can be taken care of?

What?

And you want to Compromise? You want to (are willing to) compromise on whether its a full blown person and entitled to such rights? Really?

*screw the conservatives trying to appease their own sensibilities by forcing a woman against her will.

Its exactly why they arent addressing my post about these glaring outcomes. We saw it before in these same type of threads.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Do we all agree that abortions are unfortunate and wish they were less common?

Can we at least agree on this?

Absolutely. And they are obviously the killing of a potential growing human being.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

BST,

So if the Supreme Court tomorrow decides to grant personhood and all the rights associated with it to unborn babies, how does this change your stance? You seem to be cool with whatever the law decides but doesn't this create a moral dilemma for you?

Ill fight against it. And accept it until its changed.

I wont go nefarious and try to force my sensibilities on others to undermine the laws and ruin families, doctors and clinics (like conservatives do).

Ill flatly move to get that personhood revoked on the basis of the mothers right to her own body and own decisions.

Because now every single miscarriage must be investigated and every single woman will then be guilty of a whole host of crimes (incl murder) an that person is entitled to be treated as such.

Yikes, you would fight for the right to kill babies?

Ill fight for the right of the woman to remain in control of her own body and make her decisions for herself. Including her pregnancy.

If you/somebody tried to usurp my right (as a man) to make my own decisions... I would be willing to kill people over it.

And if your body was hooked up to a machine that fed you and sustained you? Would you hand over the right to make decisions to the person who controlled the machine?

I dont care, that's not the discussion at hand. Start another thread.

No, that's exactly the discussion at hand: the determination of life and personhood based on the mechanism which provides one's sustainability and viability. Based on that would you concede that someone else then has natural control over your decisions and body?

They had already been granted that status (personhood) and people can lose some of that status until their healthy.

Im not making any statement one-way-or-another, just saying what the facts are.

They have been granted that status - in your view - based on being independent and free of life sustaining nourishment. Which they can also lose once granted. They would thus again be returned to being dependent on a host, the owner or controller of whatever machine is keeping them alive. They are no longer a person, they are a lump of flesh entirely dependent on another. - Obviously your next point would be that society can grant whatever rights they want, well exactly, so let it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why not just have public hospitals where girls can be taken care of?

What?

And you want to Compromise? You want to compromise on whether its a full blown person and entitled to such rights? Really?

No of course not, having a public hospital where girls could be provided for takes care of the girls' rights and the (alleged) child's.

Are you asking me do I think a girl should be forced into a hospital? No of course not, but knowing they would have a place to go would make running away a lot less appealing. Then let's see where the stats are.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

(you are on a strange tangent)

What about the women?

Are the females going to be tried for capital crimes?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

(you are on a strange tangent)

What about the women?

Are the females going to be tried for capital crimes?

Ha well that's me. You did ask for a response so I gave it a shot. That's how I think, I like to find solutions and I don't particularly have a problem with true public health. We seems to have completely lost our ability to compromise as a nation.

No I would not want girls or women prosecuted. Yes I realize crazyazz states like my own could be a problem in practice.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

(you are on a strange tangent)

What about the women?

Are the females going to be tried for capital crimes?

Ha well that's me. You did ask for a response so I gave it a shot. That's how I think and I don't particularly have a problem with true public health.

No I would not want girls or women prosecuted. Yes I realize crazyazz states like my own could be a problem in practice.

:tipofthehat:

Then no personhood for the unborn.

Next subject.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

(you are on a strange tangent)

What about the women?

Are the females going to be tried for capital crimes?

Ha well that's me. You did ask for a response so I gave it a shot. That's how I think and I don't particularly have a problem with true public health.

No I would not want girls or women prosecuted. Yes I realize crazyazz states like my own could be a problem in practice.

:tipofthehat:

Then no personhood for unborn.

Next subject.

Oh I see it's murder therefore.... yeah that's a tough one. I agree. However technically the girl is not the one committing the "murder", now is she? Obviously if abortion was outlawed from x-weeks on then it would be the doctor who would be in trouble.

 

[(HULK)]

Do we all agree that abortions are unfortunate and wish they were less common?

Can we at least agree on this?

I haven't read any other part of this thread.

But for me, the answer is no. Mainly because "unfortunate" and "less common" don't fully explain my position.

I believe abortion is an abhorred practice and should be allowed only in life or death situations. I guess those technically fall under "unfortunate" and "less common", but those terms I reserve for things like when my child spills milk or when I get to the office and forget my office keys.

You guys make it really tough to find a middle ground.

Amend it to:

Do we all agree that abortions are somewhere on the spectrum from unfortunate to horrible? Do we all wish that the rate of abortions in the future is lower than the current rate?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Oh I see it's murder therefore.... yeah that's a tough one. I agree. However technically the girl is not the one committing the "murder", now is she? Obviously if abortion was outlawed from x-weeks on then it would be the doctor who would be in trouble.

Why not? Adolescents can be tried for murder and capital crimes.

Plenty of pills to be swallowed. Plenty of physical actions to induce can be taken.

You just want to go after the particular doctor that makes it safer? wtf.

 

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Do we all agree that abortions are unfortunate and wish they were less common?

Can we at least agree on this?

Of course!

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Do we all wish that the rate of abortions in the future is lower than the current rate?

It depends on why the rate has gone down.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh I see it's murder therefore.... yeah that's a tough one. I agree. However technically the girl is not the one committing the "murder", now is she? Obviously if abortion was outlawed from x-weeks on then it would be the doctor who would be in trouble.

Why not? Adolescents can be tried for murder and capital crimes.

Plenty of pills to be swallowed. Plenty of physical actions to induce can be taken.

You just want to go after the particular doctor that makes it safer? wtf.

Yes, see Gosner for example.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Oh I see it's murder therefore.... yeah that's a tough one. I agree. However technically the girl is not the one committing the "murder", now is she? Obviously if abortion was outlawed from x-weeks on then it would be the doctor who would be in trouble.

Why not? Adolescents can be tried for murder and capital crimes.

Plenty of pills to be swallowed. Plenty of physical actions to induce can be taken.

You just want to go after the particular doctor that makes it safer? wtf.

Yes, see Gosner for example.

Poster boy for you now?

He is going to be "gotten" without any changes to the current law.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh I see it's murder therefore.... yeah that's a tough one. I agree. However technically the girl is not the one committing the "murder", now is she? Obviously if abortion was outlawed from x-weeks on then it would be the doctor who would be in trouble.

Why not? Adolescents can be tried for murder and capital crimes.

Plenty of pills to be swallowed. Plenty of physical actions to induce can be taken.

You just want to go after the particular doctor that makes it safer? wtf.

Yes, see Gosner for example.

Poster boy for you now?

It's another possible point of agreement. No women were prosecuted there even though they went to an abortion clinic and magically per your personal theology a fetus was actually transformed into a real live person just by virtue of passing through the vag'l canal.

 

[Jayrod]

Do we all agree that abortions are unfortunate and wish they were less common?

Can we at least agree on this?

I haven't read any other part of this thread.

But for me, the answer is no. Mainly because "unfortunate" and "less common" don't fully explain my position.

I believe abortion is an abhorred practice and should be allowed only in life or death situations. I guess those technically fall under "unfortunate" and "less common", but those terms I reserve for things like when my child spills milk or when I get to the office and forget my office keys.

You guys make it really tough to find a middle ground.

Amend it to:

Do we all agree that abortions are somewhere on the spectrum from unfortunate to horrible? Do we all wish that the rate of abortions in the future is lower than the current rate?

Yes. I'd agree with that.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why were they not prosecuted?

And the case says 7 (of the 8) were BORN alive. And the other was a woman.

So yeah, after they are born its murder on the doctor.

Even such, if they hadn't been born but were after the legal limit of abortion then he will get rightfully charged. But so should the women.

Accordingly the newborns(?) arent being given full personhood. Hmmm.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So to me that's the same. You acknowledge they were persons when murdered, do you think the mothers should have been charged?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So to me that's the same. You acknowledge they were persons when murdered, do you think the mothers should have been executed?

Yes, if they were born. The mothers should be brought up on crimes. You cant just kill newborns. They are people and accorded rights.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So to me that's the same. You acknowledge they were persons when murdered, do you think the mothers should have been executed?

Yes, if they were born. The mothers should be brought up on crimes. You cant just kill newborns. They are people and accorded rights.

And conservatives cant use the "pregnancy drama" as an excuse to allow her to get away with it, 'cuz had she killed some guy outside the clinic she would be charged.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So what happened to the huddled, impoverished, ignorant teen girl too scared to tell her parents and miss a career and college, who get lured into back alleys with snarling delicensed ex-doctors or faux midwives with wire hangers? Now they're complicit, scheming murderesses once they go into a dirty clinic where as it turns out their fetus was lo & behold a real live person?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So what happened to the huddled, impoverished, ignorant teen girl too scared to tell her parents and miss a career and college, who get lured into back alleys with snarling delicensed ex-doctors or faux midwives with wire hangers? Now they're complicit, scheming murderesses once they go into a dirty clinic where as it turns out their fetus was lo & behold a real live person?

That's if we take your direction that it is murder.

And that case you show talk about above clearly states they were BORN.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Now who's putting words in mouths. I said the mothers should not be prosecuted but suggested the doctors would be handled just like any other doctor who performs an illegal surgery where someone dies. If you want to talk about whether that should be elevated to murder logically, ok, but I think the working premise is the mother is not the one doing the aborting, the doctor is.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Now who's putting words in mouths. I said the mothers should not be prosecuted but suggested the doctors would be handled just like any other doctor who performs an illegal surgery where someone dies. If you want to talk about whether that should be elevated to murder logically, ok, but I think the working premise is the mother is not the one doing the aborting, the doctor is.

Woah, I seriously wasnt trying to put any words in your mouth. Didnt notice if I did. Sorry if so.

I think cross-talk is just taking too many turns and thoughts and ideas are getting confused or misinterpreted.

That doctor couldn't kill or abort anything without the mother tracking him down and then PAYING for it. Think about that.

*Honestly, not really debating Gosner. Pretty ####ed up situation that was illegal from all sorts of angles.

 

[tommyboy]

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[Hang 10]

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[cstu]

Abortion reduces crime.

As awful as abortion is, at least it doesn't bring unwanted children into the world. There's nothing worse to me than a woman being forced to have a baby and then mistreating the kid because she and/or the father resent him/her.

 

[(HULK)]

Abortion reduces crime.

As awful as abortion is, at least it doesn't bring unwanted children into the world. There's nothing worse to be me then a woman being forced to have a baby and then mistreating the kid because she and/or the father resent him/her.

I'm familiar with this (big fan of the authors).

The reality is though, it is not abortion that reduces crime, but the reduction in unwanted children in poor economic situations that is currently resulting from abortion. The truth is, we could also have that result via other methods.

 

[tommyboy]

i thought this was the Planned Parenthood thread, not the "lets argue about Abortion" thread.

jesus you guys are slipping, lets get back to ripping Planned Parenthood for being a bunch of scum sucking monsters already.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

 

[shader]

(you are on a strange tangent)

What about the women?

Are the females going to be tried for capital crimes?

In a perfect world, yes they should be tried for capital crimes. But that isn't feasible in this world. The genie isn't going back into the bottle.

But I don't personally believe that there is any difference between the mother who has an abortion, and the mother who throws her week old baby into a trash can and lets it die. No difference at all.

 

[shader]

Abortion reduces crime.

As awful as abortion is, at least it doesn't bring unwanted children into the world. There's nothing worse to be me then a woman being forced to have a baby and then mistreating the kid because she and/or the father resent him/her.

So would you rather be a mistreated kid or dead? Plenty of mistreated kids grow up to be very productive adults.

I'm sure we could reduce crime by killing all people living in the worst crime-infested areas in the US. That would reduce crime! Why not do it?

Seriously, that's just such an awful argument.

 

[Steve Tasker]

But I don't personally believe that there is any difference between the mother who has an abortion, and the mother who throws her week old baby into a trash can and lets it die. No difference at all.

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[tommyboy]

here's 40 ####ed up companies that should be tarred and feathered for directly funding Planned Parenthood

1. Adobe
2. American Cancer Society
3. American Express
4. AT&T
5. Avon
6. Bank of America
7. Bath & Body Works
8. Ben & Jerry’s
9. Clorox
10. Coca-Cola
11. Converse
12. Deutsche Bank
13. Dockers
14. Energizer
15. Expedia
16. ExxonMobil
17. Fannie Mae
18. Ford
19. Groupon
20. Intuit
21. Johnson & Johnson
22. La Senza
23. Levi Strauss
24. Liberty Mutual
25. Macy’s
26. March of Dimes
27. Microsoft
28. Morgan Stanley
29. Nike
30. Oracle
31. PepsiCo
32. Pfizer
33. Progressive
34. Starbucks
35. Susan G. Komen
36. Tostitos
37. Unilever
38. United Way
39. Verizon
40. Wells Fargo

 

[timschochet]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

 

[rockaction]

i thought this was the Planned Parenthood thread, not the "lets argue about Abortion" thread.

jesus you guys are slipping, lets get back to ripping Planned Parenthood for being a bunch of scum sucking monsters already.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

I was doing it last night, and we can continue with the statistics today.

 

[Kal El]

i thought this was the Planned Parenthood thread, not the "lets argue about Abortion" thread.

jesus you guys are slipping, lets get back to ripping Planned Parenthood for being a bunch of scum sucking monsters already.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

I was doing it last night, and we can continue with the statistics today.

That does bring up an interesting point. Why are so many minorities getting abortions? Will the knowledge of Sanger's blatant racism actually affect Planned Parenthood?

 

[SIDA!]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

That might cover a couple of legs...You don't think you can spring for the rest of the body.

 

[rockaction]

i thought this was the Planned Parenthood thread, not the "lets argue about Abortion" thread.

jesus you guys are slipping, lets get back to ripping Planned Parenthood for being a bunch of scum sucking monsters already.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

I was doing it last night, and we can continue with the statistics today.

That does bring up an interesting point. Why are so many minorities getting abortions? Will the knowledge of Sanger's blatant racism actually affect Planned Parenthood?

I can answer this quite succinctly: No. It never has, and never will.

In fact, the curators of the Sanger website back in the nineties and aughts stopped putting up her writings precisely because of her eugenicist background. Or at least that was the accusation. I remember it well.

But back to the question, it'll have as much effect in the popular discourse about PP that Holmes's Buck v. Bell decision (the forced sterilization case that involved a mentally indigent person) has affected him and his legacy as a jurist. It won't, even if he supported this sterilization and wrote "three generations of imbeciles is enough." Lots of people of all political stripes were into eugenics during the time period in which Sanger lived, and it's taken the same will about historical context that we use for WWI and WWII to place the major political players appropriately in history.

 

[shader]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

Tim,

Why on earth would you send them money? Even if you think abortion is ok, as you obviously do, it's ok to stop supporting organizations that are clearly doing things that shouldn't be done.

Basically, you're throwing your money away.

 

[urbanhack]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

Tim,

Why on earth would you send them money? Even if you think abortion is ok, as you obviously do, it's ok to stop supporting organizations that are clearly doing things that shouldn't be done.

Basically, you're throwing your money away.

They do a lot more than abortions. I'm sure it's been covered in here.

 

[rockaction]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

Tim,

Why on earth would you send them money? Even if you think abortion is ok, as you obviously do, it's ok to stop supporting organizations that are clearly doing things that shouldn't be done.

Basically, you're throwing your money away.

I love how when a thread is dying, tim, the centrist, takes an utterly controversial position (within the thread) to keep it going.

God bless, man.

 

[timschochet]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

Tim,

Why on earth would you send them money? Even if you think abortion is ok, as you obviously do, it's ok to stop supporting organizations that are clearly doing things that shouldn't be done.

Basically, you're throwing your money away.

I want to help poor women, abused women, victims of incest, teen pregnancies. I want them to have options. If they elect to have abortions I want to help pay for it. But that's not all. If heavily pregnant women discover that their fetuses have hydrocephalus and will be born brain dead, and the birth is a health risk to them, then I want those women to have access to late term abortions. I wish I had more than $100 to contribute.

 

[rockaction]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

Tim,

Why on earth would you send them money? Even if you think abortion is ok, as you obviously do, it's ok to stop supporting organizations that are clearly doing things that shouldn't be done.

Basically, you're throwing your money away.

I want to help poor women, abused women, victims of incest, teen pregnancies. I want them to have options. If they elect to have abortions I want to help pay for it. But that's not all. If heavily pregnant women discover that their fetuses have hydrocephalus and will be born brain dead, and the birth is a health risk to them, then I want those women to have access to late term abortions.I wish I had more than $100 to contribute.

Thank God. I can't imagine what people who need partial-birth abortions would do without you. It's so noble that you're here and willing to help.

 

[tommyboy]

Thanks tommyboy, for listing companies I will be happy to do business with.

Last year I donated $50 to Planned Parenthood. This year I will send them $100.

Tim,

Why on earth would you send them money? Even if you think abortion is ok, as you obviously do, it's ok to stop supporting organizations that are clearly doing things that shouldn't be done.

Basically, you're throwing your money away.

He needs a baby liver to go with his Chianti and fava beans