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Player Spotlight: C.J. Spiller, RB, Buffalo Bills (1 Viewer)
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Traded McFadden and J. Bell for him last week.
Shallow starting lineup though PPR 12 teams, Start QB, RB,WR, 2 FLEX, TE
Starting lineup was: Calvin, Spiller, T. Smith and David Wilson/Blackmon/P. Thomas/Givens
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Shallow starting lineup though PPR 12 teams, Start QB, RB,WR, 2 FLEX, TE
Starting lineup was: Calvin, Spiller, T. Smith and David Wilson/Blackmon/P. Thomas/Givens
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Steve Tasker
Footballguy
In general, I had inferred that some posters were surprised that Fred Jackson is still playing a large role in the offense. My impression was that some people seemed to think that preseason coach comments like "he's going to get the ball until he pukes" (paraphrasing) meant that he would be getting ~25-30 touches/game as an undisputed RB1 and that Fred Jackson would be on the bench all game as the clear RB2. And for that, some posters were now upset that Spiller's workload has hovered around 20 touches/game (ignoring the injury-shortened 3rd game). If my reading comprehension was poor, I apologize.
ETA - and I'd LOVE to see him getting ~30 touches on a regular basis. The Bills need to be doing more with him. But I find it hard to believe that any team with a #2 like Fred Jackson will let him ride the pine all day, no matter how good their #1 is. And Spiller is a great player, 100%. If they can get both players significant touches, that'd be fantastic.
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I think the Bills thought that the hurry up offense would sustain drives and with 80 offensive snaps, that a 50/50 split would give touches to both, however not the case.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
Was offered Trent for Spiller in one league and Sjax for him in another.
I'm really looking to unload Spiller after watching that offensive line and Manuel's inaccuracy yesterday.
mikel0254
Footballguy
If I were a betting man (outside of FF), I'd be putting my money on we'll be starting Spiller with no hesitation come playoff time. I'll take his talent in the long run over most in the league.Yep us spiller owners are in deep Shi% but this has been a weird year for FFootball and by the time the playoffs come around we may be starting Bilal Powell as a rb1...
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am on the Spiller bandwagon in redraft and dynasty and I would trade him straight up for Richardson in a heart beat.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Offered Wilson for Spiller
mikel0254
Footballguy
mikel0254
Footballguy
Ace zero1
Footballguy
mikel0254
Footballguy
No doubt in my mind. Far too much talent not to. If they change the play calling up to get him space, you could see it as early as this week. If they keep the play calling the same, he'll eventually make plays on his own.
This is kind of a tangent, but my reply was to your "hear what they want to hear" comment. What you're saying now is that they should have taken what the coach said with a grain of salt, which is different.
This wasn't a case of the coach saying "I think Spiller is a heck of a player" and people assuming that means they're going to give him the ball until he throws up- those were his exact words. I agree people often hear what they want to hear and interpret things to fit their beliefs, but I don't see that at all here- those comments seem crystal clear to me.
Ace zero1
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Anyone think his mind isn't on football due to his grandfathers issues (the murder suicide).
He just seems lost out there this season.
He just seems lost out there this season.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
I guess it never occurred to me until now but the Front 7's on the Bills schedule are pretty insane:
Panthers/Ravens/Browns/Bengals/Chiefs/Steelers/Bucs + Pats/Jets/Fish. JFC.
Panthers/Ravens/Browns/Bengals/Chiefs/Steelers/Bucs + Pats/Jets/Fish. JFC.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
i had already moved him to the bench where i own him in both of my leagues.
We have short starting lineups: 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex... so there are plenty of more effective options at this time.
I suspect at some point he'll get it going... but I feel like this is going to be like CJ2K last year where you'll get a couple good outbursts due to the 1 big play, but the rest of teh games will be crap due to split carries and a horrible team.
if you don't mind his scores being: 6, 8, 25, 1, 7, 29, 10 then keep starting the guy.
if you'd rather have a guy that scores 10, 12, 9, 15, 10, 13 (and i know i would) then get another dude in there.
We have short starting lineups: 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex... so there are plenty of more effective options at this time.
I suspect at some point he'll get it going... but I feel like this is going to be like CJ2K last year where you'll get a couple good outbursts due to the 1 big play, but the rest of teh games will be crap due to split carries and a horrible team.
if you don't mind his scores being: 6, 8, 25, 1, 7, 29, 10 then keep starting the guy.
if you'd rather have a guy that scores 10, 12, 9, 15, 10, 13 (and i know i would) then get another dude in there.
WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
Benched him this week. While he can single handedly win you weeks, he can single handedly lose you weeks and the way the first three have gone, he very likely has lost you weeks. Don't be afraid to make the decision! We're in this together, man! Don't let the Buffalo Bills defeat you! You must defeat the Buffalo Bills!
But seriously, if you have options, why not? Spiller is going up against top defenses for the next two weeks. I'm in a standard league that requires 2 RB and a flex. For week four, the early plan is Forte and Giovanni at RB with either Spiller or Hilton as a flex, and I'm honestly leaning Hilton. It sucks because I paid a first round pick for Spiller. The investment was immense. But I just can't keep putting him out there solely because of the price I paid to get him. No one wants me to be wrong about Spiller more than me. Right now though Spiller is merely an RB2 / Flex option and that's how he should be used.
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cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
Similar to Chris Johnson last year, lost his grandmother. Hopefully Spiller will have the second half surge that Johnson did
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
So what's Spiller's value ?
TRich ?
A Morris ?
I'm thinking of selling, don't like the usage, don't like the backup, don't like the offense and don't like the schedule.
Already have Sproles, MJD, Pierce and Bolden so I have a little depth.
TRich ?
A Morris ?
I'm thinking of selling, don't like the usage, don't like the backup, don't like the offense and don't like the schedule.
Already have Sproles, MJD, Pierce and Bolden so I have a little depth.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think Spiller's value is pretty darn low. I would gladly trade him for TRich or A Morris...
WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
I would also take Alf in a heartbeat. How low would you guys go on Spiller? I'm really trying to deal this dude. Gio seems like a good comp to me, but I already have him, so... Would you guys deal him for: DeMarco Murray? Reggie Bush? Chris Johnson? Steven Ridley?Godsbrother said:
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Spiller for Dez?
Would leave me
Wilson
Calvin
Dez
Torrey Smith
Graham
We start RB WR 2flex TE PPR,
To risky to use Wilson as my 4th RB/WR
Would leave me
Wilson
Calvin
Dez
Torrey Smith
Graham
We start RB WR 2flex TE PPR,
To risky to use Wilson as my 4th RB/WR
Spiller was universally ranked top 5. Dodds had him at number 4. You were probably considering him with your first pick. It is absolutely absurd that he fell to the second round (~pick 15?)
Don't overthink it. You do it again- you make the same choice.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
T with T
Footballguy
Ya totally agree Spiller was top 5 consensus pick J.graham was 2nd to 3rd round guy what is this guy talking about... He said he was a rookie then tried to justify that as the reason he picked spiller when really the reason he wants J.graham over spiller shows he is a rookie
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Not really. He was top 5 for a lot of people, but it wasn't universal. He wasn't even in my top 10, and even a lot of people who were high on him didn't have him top 5 ahead of guys like AP, Megatron, Martin, Charles, Foster and Rice.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Spiller should be bought not sold right now. teams won't be able to stack the line forever. when that offense finds balance again, he'll be what he has been the last 2 years.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
I agree that he is a buy rather than a sell, but did you watch the game?
That offensive line looked awful and Manuel's passing accuaracy will keep defenses keyed onto the running game. I love Spiller's talent. Hate this situation though.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Understandably a lot of angst in this thread right now but based on what I've seen Im still high on Spiller.
Many are expressing concern with the number of touches F-Jax is getting and repeatedly referencing the "giving him the ball until he throws up" comment from the coaching staff. While it's a little irritating to see #22 vulturing a TD or getting cheap points on dump off passes, the volume of touches is not a concern at all to me. Spiller has received a very good workload relative to just about every other RB out there right now. The Bills get their RBs touches as much as any team and I said before that I think F-Jax's presence could actually be a blessing in disguise over the long haul of this season for Spiller.
What concerns me the most it the way they are using Spiller on his touches. Way too many inside handoffs and far too little creativity in getting him the ball in space IMO. That and the inconsistency of a rookie QB running an offense of a rookie NFL head coach. But I'm going to continue to be patient and think better days are ahead for Spiller owners. I understand some may not be in position to be as patient as I'm fortunate enough to be right now but it's a long season.
He's definitely been a disappointment thus far but I'd say the list of RBs I'd want over Spiller going forward is still relatively small.
Many are expressing concern with the number of touches F-Jax is getting and repeatedly referencing the "giving him the ball until he throws up" comment from the coaching staff. While it's a little irritating to see #22 vulturing a TD or getting cheap points on dump off passes, the volume of touches is not a concern at all to me. Spiller has received a very good workload relative to just about every other RB out there right now. The Bills get their RBs touches as much as any team and I said before that I think F-Jax's presence could actually be a blessing in disguise over the long haul of this season for Spiller.
What concerns me the most it the way they are using Spiller on his touches. Way too many inside handoffs and far too little creativity in getting him the ball in space IMO. That and the inconsistency of a rookie QB running an offense of a rookie NFL head coach. But I'm going to continue to be patient and think better days are ahead for Spiller owners. I understand some may not be in position to be as patient as I'm fortunate enough to be right now but it's a long season.
He's definitely been a disappointment thus far but I'd say the list of RBs I'd want over Spiller going forward is still relatively small.
WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
For those saying the Bills offensive line is horrible, I won't disagree with you, but Fred Jackson is averaging nearly 2 more yards per carry than Spiller with nearly the same workload.
The fact is that one back is getting it done and the other is not.
The fact is that one back is getting it done and the other is not.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
The holes were there, Spiller is not running well. There is no doubt there were some runs where the line was blown up. But he did a very poor job and turned a lot of 3 yard runs into no-gains. This is probably why Fred is averaging more than him.
Example 1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926655993/
He is in OK shape here, #70 is about to come off his block and get to the next level. He needs to hit this hole with authority or bounce outside. Instead he stutter steps up behind #74, the Jets get off their blocks and he has no momentum and is tackled for no gain.
Example 2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926513286/
Hitting either spot will be a short gain. The left most hole is probably better as there is a chance that the lineman can move up to the next level and squeak out a few extra yards. Instead he stutter steps up behind his lineman again and his indecisiveness leads him nowhere.
Example 3
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926655483/
This one is the worst. Look at the gaping hole. He is looking and running to the outside from the beginning and wastes it. You can't necessarily fault him if that is the play design, but I also wonder whether he knows the play. They are running the hurry up, it is entirely possible he is having a hard time getting the play call and doesn't know the blocking scheme and what hole he is supposed to hit?
Example 1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926655993/
He is in OK shape here, #70 is about to come off his block and get to the next level. He needs to hit this hole with authority or bounce outside. Instead he stutter steps up behind #74, the Jets get off their blocks and he has no momentum and is tackled for no gain.
Example 2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926513286/
Hitting either spot will be a short gain. The left most hole is probably better as there is a chance that the lineman can move up to the next level and squeak out a few extra yards. Instead he stutter steps up behind his lineman again and his indecisiveness leads him nowhere.
Example 3
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926655483/
This one is the worst. Look at the gaping hole. He is looking and running to the outside from the beginning and wastes it. You can't necessarily fault him if that is the play design, but I also wonder whether he knows the play. They are running the hurry up, it is entirely possible he is having a hard time getting the play call and doesn't know the blocking scheme and what hole he is supposed to hit?
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Just traded Spiller for Gordon in a redraft league.
VaTerp
Footballguy
No doubt that Spiller has not been at his best thus far but just looking at stills doesnt really tell us much.
Seems like a classic buy high sell low on your part. Anything is possible and it could work out but, 3 weeks into the season, that's a head scratcher to me.
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