no, I'm pretty sure it was an injury. I believe he was seen with ice on his knee and eventually taken to the locker room in the 4th.
anyway, I'm sure we'll hear more about it tomorrow. haven't heard anything that would suggest it's serious yet.
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Player Spotlight: C.J. Spiller, RB, Buffalo Bills (1 Viewer)
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anyway, I'm sure we'll hear more about it tomorrow. haven't heard anything that would suggest it's serious yet.
Spiller was on pace to get the 20 touches he has been getting in week 1 and 2. Bills give a lot of touches to their RBs so I was not actually worried about the timeshare.
That said, his performance has definitely been disappointing, and the defense he faced are tough but will continue to be tough.
Tough to say what is fair value at this point. It would depend on the depth you have on your team.
That said, his performance has definitely been disappointing, and the defense he faced are tough but will continue to be tough.
Tough to say what is fair value at this point. It would depend on the depth you have on your team.
Roll your eyes all you want, you sound clueless here. Who cares if the Pats defense is "solid" (although FJax managed a 5.2 ypc and had much better receiving numbers than Spiller), or the Panthers' is "stout"- do you get extra points for facing them? Also, to consider last week a "wash" is comical- you still started him, didn't you? He's had one non-awful game out of 3 so far, and even that game wasn't very good.OC Zed said:
The perspective is we're nearly 1/4 way through the ff regular season and Spiller has sucked a fat one for fantasy.
Like I said, Week 1 was a bad game against a solid Pats defense. He ran for over 100 yards against a stout Panthers' run defense. And he injures his knee in the first half of Week 3 which I would consider a wash. But go ahead and just look at his total stats and make a knee-jerk reaction. That's some good analysis. I bet you think Eddie Royal is an all-pro receiver also.
This isn't an indictment on his talent, no one is saying he's washed up, but this is fantasy football- he's been a colossal disappointment so far. Anyone who denies that has their head in the sand.
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Godsbrother
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0-3JOBOOZOSO said:
danielmclark
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1-1 because the game tonight will decide week three for me. My guys are all done and I had a horrible week with Spiller and my entire receiver core sucking (A. Johnson, V. Jackson, D. Jackson), but as long as McFadden doesn't put up more than 14.85 points (PPR) against me tonight, I'll be 2-1. Honestly, I don't deserve it... the other owner didn't think to swap out V. Davis or D. Richardson. If he had, it would have been a blowout.
Winning IS Everything
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1-2 in one league, and either 1-2 or 0-3 in another depending if I can get 16 points out of McFadden.
playin4beer
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Sir Psycho
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Tim Graham @ByTimGraham6m
C.J. Spiller said he lost explosiveness, not explosives. Sorry for a typo that suggested possible felonious conduct.
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C.J. Spiller says he twisted his knee and lost some explosives. Says he should be able to play Sunday against Baltimore.
bleachercreacher
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Just bought Spiller for Chris Johnson and Antonio Gates. I still say it's the perfect time to buy if you get the right price
hoopvillian
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I was thinking of offering Joique Bell for Spiller but I'm hesitating. At this point they're both in a timeshare but Bell has a better QB and a receiving threat to take away pressure.
Updating a previous item, C.J. Spiller actually hurt his thigh -- not his knee -- during Sunday's loss to the Jets.
The injury is not considered serious and Spiller is fully expected to play against the Ravens in Week 4. It sounds like he may have taken a shot to the lower part of his quad or strained a muscle, causing some discomfort in the knee. Spiller himself said he's just a little sore Monday and confirmed he'll play next week. There's a nice window here to throw in some buy-low offers.
The injury is not considered serious and Spiller is fully expected to play against the Ravens in Week 4. It sounds like he may have taken a shot to the lower part of his quad or strained a muscle, causing some discomfort in the knee. Spiller himself said he's just a little sore Monday and confirmed he'll play next week. There's a nice window here to throw in some buy-low offers.
Breesisdaman
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Baltimore is not the best defense to try to come back from a thigh/Knee. I'm not expecting much there.
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zamboni
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At the sake of going WDIS, I'd actually go with Fred. He's almost certainly going to do the dirty between-the-tackles work against the Ravens, including goal line duty.
VaTerp
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As an owner of both I would laugh at this offer as the Spiller owner.
Definitely cause for concern for Spiller owners but I would not trade him for Joique Bell after 3 weeks.
OC Zed
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I've watched every snap the guy has played in the NFL. I'm not clueless here, Ace. It's called speaking with a little perspective.Roll your eyes all you want, you sound clueless here. Who cares if the Pats defense is "solid" (although FJax managed a 5.2 ypc and had much better receiving numbers than Spiller), or the Panthers' is "stout"- do you get extra points for facing them? Also, to consider last week a "wash" is comical- you still started him, didn't you? He's had one non-awful game out of 3 so far, and even that game wasn't very good.OC Zed said:
The perspective is we're nearly 1/4 way through the ff regular season and Spiller has sucked a fat one for fantasy.
Like I said, Week 1 was a bad game against a solid Pats defense. He ran for over 100 yards against a stout Panthers' run defense. And he injures his knee in the first half of Week 3 which I would consider a wash. But go ahead and just look at his total stats and make a knee-jerk reaction. That's some good analysis. I bet you think Eddie Royal is an all-pro receiver also.
This isn't an indictment on his talent, no one is saying he's washed up, but this is fantasy football- he's been a colossal disappointment so far. Anyone who denies that has their head in the sand.
WilsonTheVolleyball
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At Cleveland after that and the Browns run defense ain't a joke. They're currently top 10 at the moment. Shouldn't expect much there either.
Just threw out an offer of Spiller for Foster (I'm the Ben Tate owner). Got rejected. I'm going to throw an offer to the Ridley owner and see if he'll bite.
That's awesome!I've watched every snap the guy has played in the NFL. I'm not clueless here, Ace. It's called speaking with a little perspective.Roll your eyes all you want, you sound clueless here. Who cares if the Pats defense is "solid" (although FJax managed a 5.2 ypc and had much better receiving numbers than Spiller), or the Panthers' is "stout"- do you get extra points for facing them? Also, to consider last week a "wash" is comical- you still started him, didn't you? He's had one non-awful game out of 3 so far, and even that game wasn't very good.OC Zed said:
The perspective is we're nearly 1/4 way through the ff regular season and Spiller has sucked a fat one for fantasy.
Like I said, Week 1 was a bad game against a solid Pats defense. He ran for over 100 yards against a stout Panthers' run defense. And he injures his knee in the first half of Week 3 which I would consider a wash. But go ahead and just look at his total stats and make a knee-jerk reaction. That's some good analysis. I bet you think Eddie Royal is an all-pro receiver also.
This isn't an indictment on his talent, no one is saying he's washed up, but this is fantasy football- he's been a colossal disappointment so far. Anyone who denies that has their head in the sand.
Have you ever played fantasy football? Because that's the perspective we're actually discussing here, and yes, you are clueless when it comes to that.
LargeMouthBass
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LargeMouthBass
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Like the poster above said, you are clueless when it comes to fantasy football and CJ Spiller's value as an early 1st rounder. Most of us got bamboozled into thinking he'd be the primary ball carrier putting up numbers greater than or equal to Shady McCoy and Jamal Charles. That's what was promised by the coach and things are different. Why can't you simply understand the facts?
just_want_2_win
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Steve Tasker
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To be fair, the whole "run him til he pukes" thing seemed like coach-speak to me. Spiller is a phenomenal talent, capable of putting up league-leading numbers, but he's got a very solid veteran RB waiting in the wings. The Bills would have been foolish to leave Fred Jackson to rot on the bench and give Spiller traditional "workhorse" carries. Jackson is a locker-room leader and, as evidenced by his play this season, still a very solid NFL player capable of spelling Spiller and keeping the offense fresh.
I do think that much of the blame for Spiller's poor early season performance needs to be on his teammates and coaches. He hasn't been great, but the coaches and players around him have been poor as well at times. Spiller had nowhere to go yesterday and was bottled up immediately every time he got the ball. Other teams are gameplanning to stop the run and force EJ Manuel to beat them - and the 2 subpar Spiller games are the two games the Bills have lost. For those of you holding him in redraft leagues....that's definitely not what you want to hear.
It's unfortunate that you guys may have drafted him too high, but to take a football coach's word as gospel always seems foolish to me. Seems like far too often people hear what they want to hear while trying to disseminate a coach's comments.
I do think that much of the blame for Spiller's poor early season performance needs to be on his teammates and coaches. He hasn't been great, but the coaches and players around him have been poor as well at times. Spiller had nowhere to go yesterday and was bottled up immediately every time he got the ball. Other teams are gameplanning to stop the run and force EJ Manuel to beat them - and the 2 subpar Spiller games are the two games the Bills have lost. For those of you holding him in redraft leagues....that's definitely not what you want to hear.
It's unfortunate that you guys may have drafted him too high, but to take a football coach's word as gospel always seems foolish to me. Seems like far too often people hear what they want to hear while trying to disseminate a coach's comments.
Hearing what you want to hear is one thing, but to me there's nothing particularly cryptic about saying that you want to give the ball to a guy till he pukes. It suggests a full workload. Preseason suggested that too.
And even though Jackson is playing well, let's not forget he's a veteran coming back from injury who looked in preseason like the decline was starting and he wouldn't be that involved.
It's easy for people to sit back and do the "I told you so" routine in hindsight, but I don't think anyone picking Spiller with a top 5 pick was doing something foolish at the time, given the information available.
And even though Jackson is playing well, let's not forget he's a veteran coming back from injury who looked in preseason like the decline was starting and he wouldn't be that involved.
It's easy for people to sit back and do the "I told you so" routine in hindsight, but I don't think anyone picking Spiller with a top 5 pick was doing something foolish at the time, given the information available.
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danielmclark
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You wanna hear something sick? I was fifth in the draft, I got Charles in round one and Spiller in round two. The very next pick, and it could have been mine if I wasn't so blindly committed to RB-RB? Jimmy freakin' Graham. I thought I was soooo clever grabbing Spiller and I couldn't believe he wasn't snatched up by then.
Maybe Spiller will pay off later in the season - he's quite talented, no question. But I should have had Jimmy Graham <_<
Well, it's my first year doing Fantasy Football, so lesson learned.
Maybe Spiller will pay off later in the season - he's quite talented, no question. But I should have had Jimmy Graham <_<
Well, it's my first year doing Fantasy Football, so lesson learned.
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So what do you hear when the coaches exact words were: "It's real simple," Hackett said. "We're going to give him the ball until he throws up. So he's either got to tap out or throw up on the field. Let's just put it that way."?Steve Tasker said:
I agree that no one should have expected that to literally happen, or for him to get 30+ touches per game, but I don't think there's any "hearing what you want to hear" by Spiller owners there.
Disappointed Spiller owner here, but will point out that he had 20+ touches, including 6 targets (nice in ppr) each of the first two weeks, just came off a 100+ game on only 16 carries, and FJax wearing down/getting dinged up and sitting out is a WHEN not IF. I have him in dynasty so it's going to take more than 2/3 bad games to look to sell. That said, I'm seriously considering an offer of Stafford and Lynch for Cam and CJ.
T with T
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1-2 spiller is just terrible but yea playcalling and running him up the gut everyplay not playing to his strengths are stupid.
T with T
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Did the same thing man and Im kicking myself... I had the 2nd overall pick and bought into the Spillermania and grabbed him 2 after AP. I could have had JC, or Mccoy and wished I would have, might have a 3-0 record now instead of being a total bum..
Art Vandalay
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0-3 here with him. Then again I also drafted Ivory haha.
They keep running that little draw with him/inside handoff and teams are selling out on it.
CJ has the skill so its not his issue, hold him and it will be alright. Rookie QB working out the kinks, if he holds it more times and takes off back door more it will keep the def honest.
They keep running that little draw with him/inside handoff and teams are selling out on it.
CJ has the skill so its not his issue, hold him and it will be alright. Rookie QB working out the kinks, if he holds it more times and takes off back door more it will keep the def honest.
T with T
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my first three picks.... Spiller/roddy/wilson... im 1-2 somehow haha can u pick a trio of turds worse than that. F$ckin rubbish man I tell ya.My first two picks... Spiller and Wilson... yep, i'm 0-30-3
I'm gonna be 3-0 and I have Ridley as my RB2. I have gotten pretty lucky in my matchups. I scored 62 points this week in a standard scoring league and am gonna win, luckily the guy I faced had Bowe and Kaepernick amongst other duds.
What lesson is that? When a player universally ranked in the top 5 falls to you in the second round it is a no-brainer? But it still might not work out because hey, variance?
Don't be results oriented. That is an obvious pick. I have both Spiller and Graham on the same auction-draft team. I paid $70some for Spiller and $40some for Graham.
With the knowledge you had at that time- Spiller was the value pick.
I'm saying that it's not really all that bad. We heard what we wanted to hear as far as "he will be the main guy and get lots of opportunity"....That hasn't happened exactly like we all hoped but he's getting plenty of touches to try to do something with and has the talent to pan out over time.
T with T
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the touches are there over 20 a game first two I think it's the postition he is being put in and the way he is getting touches... NO GOALLINE, no bubble screens, dump offs or quick screens, not even barely used in the passing game or running routes... lining up and having spiller run right up the gut 15 times is stupid... Like the earlier poster said they need to get this guy in space... SPACE is the key like apollo 13 or the moon think space not BETWEEN TACKLES... idiots I tell ya.... when you thought it couldn't get any worse for spiller after Chan Gayley the next group of idiots come plodding in... The levitre argument that someone mentioned earlier has no affect on spiller as he is a pass blocker and not even a good run blocker. Has he made CHRIS JOHNSON any better???? the problem here is not Spiller or his talent, just the way the coaches are putting him in position to use his talent. Until they give Spiller some more SPACE plays, here's the key word again some more SPACE plays and GL looks he will be just avg at best Fantasy wise.
HurryUpSundays
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WilsonTheVolleyball
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WilsonTheVolleyball
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Me? I wouldn't because Rice's hip injury is worrisome. Say whatever about the timeframe, but anything hip related is a cause for concern. So, no.
danielmclark
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Was it though? I mean, true, knowledge I had at the time... and if Spiller was putting up 15-20 points a week (PPR), I wouldn't be complaining... but RB-RB when it's Charles-Spiller vs. RB-TE when it's Charles-Graham? After all, I thought Graham went late too; isn't he a legitimate round one pick as well? I guess what I was saying with "lesson learned" was "I shouldn't be a slave to the RB-RB-WR-WR-TE/QB drafting formula". But maybe I'm wrong about that, too. I'm new at this, so "lesson learned" was as much of a vent as a declaration of intent for next year.
Don't Noonan
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I will likely be 1-2 after tonight. I was just offered McGahee and Royal for Spiller. Really?
WilsonTheVolleyball
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IMO you made the right move at the time by going with Spiller. In order for Graham to be a first round pick, he'd have to have an absolute record breaking season. Granted, he's on pace for that at the moment... Most people put Graham in the same category with the AJ Greens of the world, which is a 2nd round value. Going into the season, Spiller was a first round value and there wasn't much an argument about that. Also, don't assume you'd be riding high with Graham and Charles because you could've potentially ended up with David Wilson or Lamar Miller as your other RB with guys like Bowe and Amendola as your WR's.
All you can do is make the most educated guess with the information you have at the time. Right now, the information we have is that Spiller is not an RB1 and all we can do is guess on whether or not he'll ever reach that or what we can get for him if we're cutting bait.
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