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Player Spotlight: C.J. Spiller, RB, Buffalo Bills (1 Viewer)

How is that bad? Said they need to work on the run game to open the passing ame more...that's good news for me whic means spiller will run more

 
Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.

 
Does everyone forget that Spiller was a top 10 back last year with just over 200 carries? So basically 14 carries a game. They are the new version of Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones, he will finish top 10 barring injury and if Fred Jackson gets dinged up again he could be even better. Just relax!!!

 
He split carries and still ended up with about 130 total yards. And he was a shoestring away from turning a 46 yard run into a 70 yard TD.

 
Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.
It's pretty simple - we're surprised because everything in the offseason, including the preseason games, pointed to Spiller basically carrying the load (till he threw up in fact) and getting value touches such as GL carries. Now you might say he's not built to be a 25 carry guy, and that's debatable (I personally think it's nonsense), but there was no indication prior to drafts that F-Jax was going to have a major role in this running game. In fact, it was looking like he was on the decline. Sure Spiller will still be valuable, and in a weak year for RBs, his usage will probably be enough to put up nice numbers, but I think owners had every reason to believe that a higher ceiling was there than is apparent through the first 2 weeks.

 
Hard to know for sure, but I think that Spiller fumble early in the first game didn't sit very well with Marrone, and really opened the door for Fred.

 
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Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.
It's pretty simple - we're surprised because everything in the offseason, including the preseason games, pointed to Spiller basically carrying the load (till he threw up in fact) and getting value touches such as GL carries. Now you might say he's not built to be a 25 carry guy, and that's debatable (I personally think it's nonsense), but there was no indication prior to drafts that F-Jax was going to have a major role in this running game. In fact, it was looking like he was on the decline. Sure Spiller will still be valuable, and in a weak year for RBs, his usage will probably be enough to put up nice numbers, but I think owners had every reason to believe that a higher ceiling was there than is apparent through the first 2 weeks.
The fact that he's not scoring TDs is a killer in non-ppr.

 
Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.
It's pretty simple - we're surprised because everything in the offseason, including the preseason games, pointed to Spiller basically carrying the load (till he threw up in fact) and getting value touches such as GL carries. Now you might say he's not built to be a 25 carry guy, and that's debatable (I personally think it's nonsense), but there was no indication prior to drafts that F-Jax was going to have a major role in this running game. In fact, it was looking like he was on the decline. Sure Spiller will still be valuable, and in a weak year for RBs, his usage will probably be enough to put up nice numbers, but I think owners had every reason to believe that a higher ceiling was there than is apparent through the first 2 weeks.
:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting:

 
Does everyone forget that Spiller was a top 10 back last year with just over 200 carries? So basically 14 carries a game. They are the new version of Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones, he will finish top 10 barring injury and if Fred Jackson gets dinged up again he could be even better. Just relax
What was his game to game std deviation and PPG with and without Fred Jackson last year?

What were the carries with and without FJax last year?

What were the 11-15 ranked RBs at last year compared to Spiller?

Stop looking at year end ranks. Look at what he did in the situation the resembles what the situation is this year. He did not have a rookie QB that allowed teams to stack the box last year. He did not have FJax playing for 2nd half of year.

Every year we see half of the top 10 RBs disappear from the top 10. If you thought more about it, it was pretty obvious that Spiller was a candidate to be over drafted and not worth his ADP.

I am so tired of this top 10 BS.

 
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Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.
It's pretty simple - we're surprised because everything in the offseason, including the preseason games, pointed to Spiller basically carrying the load (till he threw up in fact) and getting value touches such as GL carries. Now you might say he's not built to be a 25 carry guy, and that's debatable (I personally think it's nonsense), but there was no indication prior to drafts that F-Jax was going to have a major role in this running game. In fact, it was looking like he was on the decline. Sure Spiller will still be valuable, and in a weak year for RBs, his usage will probably be enough to put up nice numbers, but I think owners had every reason to believe that a higher ceiling was there than is apparent through the first 2 weeks.
Just because you were blind to the fact that FJax is a quality proven back who was a RB1 only 2 years back does not mean everyone else did not see the indication that you obviously missed. Just because the coach said they will use Spiller until he threw up means nothing. That could mean 15 carries a game. Also, maybe the coaches found out that he is really not built for that kind of load. Maybe the coaches found out that FJax is pretty good in certain situations, certain plays etc

Do not ever forget that Bill Belichik once said he dreaded game planning for FJax. I will take Belichik's word on the quality and talent that FJax has over some rookie coach.

 
Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.
It's pretty simple - we're surprised because everything in the offseason, including the preseason games, pointed to Spiller basically carrying the load (till he threw up in fact) and getting value touches such as GL carries. Now you might say he's not built to be a 25 carry guy, and that's debatable (I personally think it's nonsense), but there was no indication prior to drafts that F-Jax was going to have a major role in this running game. In fact, it was looking like he was on the decline. Sure Spiller will still be valuable, and in a weak year for RBs, his usage will probably be enough to put up nice numbers, but I think owners had every reason to believe that a higher ceiling was there than is apparent through the first 2 weeks.
The fact that he's not scoring TDs is a killer in non-ppr.
he is not a goal line battering ram....not sure why it is so surprising.

 
Unless FJax gets hurt Spiller is going to dissapoint all season. I can't stand it when people say "but he almost broke a long run." I don't want to keep waiting on a top 5 pick.

 
Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.
It's pretty simple - we're surprised because everything in the offseason, including the preseason games, pointed to Spiller basically carrying the load (till he threw up in fact) and getting value touches such as GL carries. Now you might say he's not built to be a 25 carry guy, and that's debatable (I personally think it's nonsense), but there was no indication prior to drafts that F-Jax was going to have a major role in this running game. In fact, it was looking like he was on the decline. Sure Spiller will still be valuable, and in a weak year for RBs, his usage will probably be enough to put up nice numbers, but I think owners had every reason to believe that a higher ceiling was there than is apparent through the first 2 weeks.
Just because you were blind to the fact that FJax is a quality proven back who was a RB1 only 2 years back does not mean everyone else did not see the indication that you obviously missed. Just because the coach said they will use Spiller until he threw up means nothing. That could mean 15 carries a game. Also, maybe the coaches found out that he is really not built for that kind of load. Maybe the coaches found out that FJax is pretty good in certain situations, certain plays etc

Do not ever forget that Bill Belichik once said he dreaded game planning for FJax. I will take Belichik's word on the quality and talent that FJax has over some rookie coach.
Yeah OK. I'm not blind to the fact that F-Jax is a quality back - no one questions that, but that's another question entirely. There weren't any indications that I missed (unless you would like to point one out for me) - as I said, the indications were that Spiller was going to have a huge role in this offense and more specifically, that this wasn't going to be a RBBC, regardless of the quality of F-Jax. And yes, there is coach speak, but a lot of what we are doing in FF as far as assessing situations is piecing together clues or comments or whatever. I don't see why it wasn't reasonable to do that here - again, there was nothing that came out in the offseason that suggested this would be an almost even split between Spiller and F-Jax. Nothing. In fact it was the opposite. Did the coaches see more from F-Jax than they expected? Maybe they did. But we didn't know about it and you are here criticising Spiller owners for taking him so high since this was obviously going to be a RBBC. I guess you are great at hindsight.

Having said all this, it's 2 weeks and as a Spiller owner I'm not panicking and things can change. I'm just saying that so far this isn't how I thought things were going to play out and I think most Spiller owners would say the same. To say that you saw a 50/50 split with F-Jax coming based on the fact that he was a RB1 two years ago is a bit laughable.

 
Does everyone forget that Spiller was a top 10 back last year with just over 200 carries? So basically 14 carries a game. They are the new version of Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones, he will finish top 10 barring injury and if Fred Jackson gets dinged up again he could be even better. Just relax
What was his game to game std deviation and PPG with and without Fred Jackson last year?

What were the carries with and without FJax last year?

What were the 11-15 ranked RBs at last year compared to Spiller?

Stop looking at year end ranks. Look at what he did in the situation the resembles what the situation is this year. He did not have a rookie QB that allowed teams to stack the box last year. He did not have FJax playing for 2nd half of year.

Every year we see half of the top 10 RBs disappear from the top 10. If you thought more about it, it was pretty obvious that Spiller was a candidate to be over drafted and not worth his ADP.

I am so tired of this top 10 BS.
I am so tired of this rookie quarterback BS. You act like Joe Montana retired from the team. It was Ryan Fitzpatrick.

With Fred in the lineup

He got 123 touches in 10 games so 12 touches a game. So this year with Fred in both games he has gotten 21 touches a game which is right around what he averaged without Fred last year.

Next time know your facts, he will be just fine.

 
I think it's reasonable to have made the assumption that Spiller would carry the load. Between the offseason comments to that extent, and the fact that Marrone had no previous loyalty to Fred, unlike Gailey.

But something happened since the season started - maybe it's lingering effects from the family tragedy, the fumble or just plain Fred proving his mettle yet again.

Either way, unless Fred falters or gets hurt, Spiller is going to underperform his draft status.

 
People who benefit from Spiller getting 25+ touches/game:

[ ] Bills

[ ] Spiller

[ ] Spiller fantasy owners

[ ] Marrone

[X] Patriots/Dolphins/Jets.

Why does every thread here have to turn into insufferable bickering? It's unreadable sometimes. Lighten up Francis.

 
He is 11th in the league in rushes, with 9 receptions. A little lower than expected but I think the numbers will come up. The offense will keep getting better, don't forget rookie QB missed a bunch of preseason time.

 
Unless FJax gets hurt Spiller is going to dissapoint all season. I can't stand it when people say "but he almost broke a long run." I don't want to keep waiting on a top 5 pick.
I don't understand why anyone is disappointed at all. I guess if you are hell bent on complaining about something, you find something to complain about.

Guy is top 20 right now, a couple TDs away from top 10 (in my league).

 
Unless FJax gets hurt Spiller is going to dissapoint all season. I can't stand it when people say "but he almost broke a long run." I don't want to keep waiting on a top 5 pick.
Howbout you trade Spiller so you can complain in a different RB thread?

 
Unless FJax gets hurt Spiller is going to dissapoint all season. I can't stand it when people say "but he almost broke a long run." I don't want to keep waiting on a top 5 pick.
I don't understand why anyone is disappointed at all. I guess if you are hell bent on complaining about something, you find something to complain about.

Guy is top 20 right now, a couple TDs away from top 10 (in my league).
True, it's funny to watch the overreactions. Spiller is talented, no doubt, the kind of talent that can make your fantasy day on just one play. He's putting up reasonable production on the touches he's had so far, I see no reason to worry. It's not like he's turned into Shonn Greene overnight or something.

 
Unless FJax gets hurt Spiller is going to dissapoint all season. I can't stand it when people say "but he almost broke a long run." I don't want to keep waiting on a top 5 pick.
I don't understand why anyone is disappointed at all. I guess if you are hell bent on complaining about something, you find something to complain about.

Guy is top 20 right now, a couple TDs away from top 10 (in my league).
I'm not one of the "sky is falling" guys, but you have to be disappointed that he's not the guy they run out to start the 2 minute offense. In fact in obvious passing downs it seems to be Fjax's role, which frustrates me because Spiller is most dangerous in the open field, which come from these exact situations.

 
Unless FJax gets hurt Spiller is going to dissapoint all season. I can't stand it when people say "but he almost broke a long run." I don't want to keep waiting on a top 5 pick.
I don't understand why anyone is disappointed at all. I guess if you are hell bent on complaining about something, you find something to complain about.

Guy is top 20 right now, a couple TDs away from top 10 (in my league).
I'm not one of the "sky is falling" guys, but you have to be disappointed that he's not the guy they run out to start the 2 minute offense. In fact in obvious passing downs it seems to be Fjax's role, which frustrates me because Spiller is most dangerous in the open field, which come from these exact situations.
2 games.

2 games.

 
Unless FJax gets hurt Spiller is going to dissapoint all season. I can't stand it when people say "but he almost broke a long run." I don't want to keep waiting on a top 5 pick.
I don't understand why anyone is disappointed at all. I guess if you are hell bent on complaining about something, you find something to complain about.

Guy is top 20 right now, a couple TDs away from top 10 (in my league).
Why wouldn't you be disappointed when a guy you drafted top 5 (maybe even top 3) is "only" top 20 (and that's in a PPR, he's lower in non-ppr)? Not to mention, he's splitting more with Jackson than expected, he's not running "until he throws up", etc.

Clearly it's early and no reason to panic, but I can see why people would be somewhat disappointed.

 
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Bills featured back C.J. Spiller isn't complaining about sharing the load with veteran Fred Jackson. Spiller received 16 carries to Jackson's 12 against Carolina on Sunday, but he expressed satisfaction with those numbers.

"We had a great rotation on me and Fred, and that's what we're going to need," Spiller said on the team website. "I think this team ... it's going to start working on the run game. It's going to have to open things up for the receivers."

Not what I want to hear from my first round pick :wall:
Who's fault is it for picking him so high? He was in a RBBC last year too until FJax got hurt. FJax is a very good RB and he proved that 2 years ago. So I am not sure why any of you Spiller lovers are so surprised. NFL teams do not give a crap about your FF teams. It is in their best interest to not wear Spiller down, especially given how he is not built to take punishment as a 25 carry guy.
It's pretty simple - we're surprised because everything in the offseason, including the preseason games, pointed to Spiller basically carrying the load (till he threw up in fact) and getting value touches such as GL carries. Now you might say he's not built to be a 25 carry guy, and that's debatable (I personally think it's nonsense), but there was no indication prior to drafts that F-Jax was going to have a major role in this running game. In fact, it was looking like he was on the decline. Sure Spiller will still be valuable, and in a weak year for RBs, his usage will probably be enough to put up nice numbers, but I think owners had every reason to believe that a higher ceiling was there than is apparent through the first 2 weeks.
Just because you were blind to the fact that FJax is a quality proven back who was a RB1 only 2 years back does not mean everyone else did not see the indication that you obviously missed. Just because the coach said they will use Spiller until he threw up means nothing. That could mean 15 carries a game. Also, maybe the coaches found out that he is really not built for that kind of load. Maybe the coaches found out that FJax is pretty good in certain situations, certain plays etc

Do not ever forget that Bill Belichik once said he dreaded game planning for FJax. I will take Belichik's word on the quality and talent that FJax has over some rookie coach.
This is just utter nonsense. Fred Jackson is 32 years old. Spiller has proven to be a game breaking talent, and is in his prime.

Willis McGahee (31) was a quality proven back last year. Where is he now?

Cedric Benson (30) was a quality proven back 2 years ago. Where is he now?

Michael Turner (31) was a quality proven back 2 years ago. Where is he now?

I guess you're just smarter than the rest of us that took Spiller in RD1. We should have all prepared ourselves for the 50/50 split with a 32 year old RB. Since you know, the history of 32 year old RBs in this league is so impressive.

I'm not hitting the panic button on Spiller by any means. But his production to date has been disappointing.

 
I totally agree with the idea that his production will come if he keeps getting 20+ touches a game. FWIW, I never expected him to get an Arian Foster from last few years type workload - but the "run him til he throws up" type comments did make me think he'd at least get 3-4 games where he approached 30 touches and had huge weeks. It now seems unlikely as long as F Jax is healthy. Add in the short TD this past week from Fred Jackson when Marrone said he "did not see Spiller as a situational back", and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't at least somewhat disappointed. Just my 2 cents

 
yea that coach is an idiot. Im disappointed to hopefully it's just 2 games and he get's on track and gets goalline and some more catches.... Seems like fjax is playing way to much ... stupid.

 
yea that coach is an idiot. Im disappointed to hopefully it's just 2 games and he get's on track and gets goalline and some more catches.... Seems like fjax is playing way to much ... stupid.
:confused: Jackson has been excellent through 2 games. How is it stupid?

 
yea that coach is an idiot. Im disappointed to hopefully it's just 2 games and he get's on track and gets goalline and some more catches.... Seems like fjax is playing way to much ... stupid.
:confused: Jackson has been excellent through 2 games. How is it stupid?
Spiller owners don't care if Jackson has outplayed Spiller. They still want CJ to play every snap.
Yeah. I figured people would be breathing a sign of relief after he went for 130 total yards against a really tough run defense. But they're still freaking out. Weird. Seems like he is a guy I should be targeting to acquire if these guys are any indication of how Spiller owners feel.

 
I can understand people being a little jittery depending on their teams and how much is invested in Spiller.

But I'm not too worried and week 2 was better than week 1.

Let's not forget that he missed a week of practice leading up to the first game and had to deal with a crazy family tragedy After two weeks I'm cautiously optimistic.

E.J Manuel looks decent and I think F-Jax's presence could actually help keep Spiller fresher over the course of the season. It's annoying seeing #22 get some of the points on TDs and dump downs but it's a long season.

Still feel good about Spiller..

 
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Just saws shot of him on the sideline with an ice pack on his right knee. At least we know him not playing is not by coaches choice

 

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