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Player Spotlight: C.J. Spiller, RB, Buffalo Bills (1 Viewer)

The holes were there, Spiller is not running well. There is no doubt there were some runs where the line was blown up. But he did a very poor job and turned a lot of 3 yard runs into no-gains. This is probably why Fred is averaging more than him.

Example 1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926655993/

He is in OK shape here, #70 is about to come off his block and get to the next level. He needs to hit this hole with authority or bounce outside. Instead he stutter steps up behind #74, the Jets get off their blocks and he has no momentum and is tackled for no gain.

Example 2

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926513286/

Hitting either spot will be a short gain. The left most hole is probably better as there is a chance that the lineman can move up to the next level and squeak out a few extra yards. Instead he stutter steps up behind his lineman again and his indecisiveness leads him nowhere.

Example 3

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49431542@N00/9926655483/

This one is the worst. Look at the gaping hole. He is looking and running to the outside from the beginning and wastes it. You can't necessarily fault him if that is the play design, but I also wonder whether he knows the play. They are running the hurry up, it is entirely possible he is having a hard time getting the play call and doesn't know the blocking scheme and what hole he is supposed to hit?
No doubt that Spiller has not been at his best thus far but just looking at stills doesnt really tell us much.

Just traded Spiller for Gordon in a redraft league.
Seems like a classic buy high sell low on your part. Anything is possible and it could work out but, 3 weeks into the season, that's a head scratcher to me.
I was thinking same thing. You better hope Gordon isn't a 1 day wonder and has crap numbers rest of season, or does something boneheaded and for sure gets a year suspension... He always seemed to have talent to me and I own Gordon in a couple ppr dynasty leagues, but he seems like he is the type of player who could just end up being kicked out , basically your done. Sort of how Titus Young was. He sure was out of the league quick man from a 2nd round pick to basically a ghost it's nuts the boneheaded decisions these football players make with the rules,regulations, statutes they have to abide by.

 
Just traded Spiller for Gordon in a redraft league.
Seems like a classic buy high sell low on your part. Anything is possible and it could work out but, 3 weeks into the season, that's a head scratcher to me.
Seems fine to me- Gordon put up more points this week than Spiller has in 3 games. Obviously both will regress to the mean, but it wouldn't surprise me at all of Gordon outscores him the rest of the way, especially considering Spiller's banged up and has a tough schedule coming up.

 
talent wise we all know CJ SPILLER is a monster and clearly a top 3-5 talent. This whole problem and reason for thread is not his own ability but coaches, playcalling, offensive line, qb, offensive playcalling and everything after his talent is horrendous. I think if they go back to drawing board and maybe take some notes from Gayleys system and use a screen every once in a while if a team is BLITZING every play... Screen passes do work and you do have the fastest rb in the league, IF not the fastest one of the top 3 fastest rbs in the league probably ever who by the way has some damn good hands. If buffalo wants to do anything they need to get Spiller in space and use some screens, slants, bubble screens, space plays and he will get going.

 
I saw on Twitter last night that Spiller only had 1 game all of last year without a 10+ yd reception. No receptions of 10+ so far.

What was so appealing to me about Spiller wasn't just the coach speak about "getting the ball til he throws up" - the upside with a big workload was very tantalizing, but I figured he could still have great production even if the big workload wasn't there.

It hasn't played out the way I was hoping with the Spiller/Jackson split, but if I had been certain before the season that he'd be looking at ~20 touches a game, I probably would have still taken him where I did. The drastic drop off on a per touch basis concerns me a lot more than FJax being involved. It's still early so maybe I am overreacting to the first few games, but it seems like his schedule is brutal vs the run too. Really not sure what to do with him at this point.

 
Just traded Spiller for Gordon in a redraft league.
Seems like a classic buy high sell low on your part. Anything is possible and it could work out but, 3 weeks into the season, that's a head scratcher to me.
Seems fine to me- Gordon put up more points this week than Spiller has in 3 games. Obviously both will regress to the mean, but it wouldn't surprise me at all of Gordon outscores him the rest of the way, especially considering Spiller's banged up and has a tough schedule coming up.
Gordon has the potential to have a huge year and there are obvious concerns for Spiller. And I'm somewhat biased as a Spiller owner and my main league has unique scoring that is even more RB friendly than most.

I still wouldn't do that deal from the Spiller side without getting something else in return but maybe I'm selling Gordon short here. We'll see...

 
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Nice read, I have not had the chance to watch the Bills much.

Read option is going to be good for Spiller if it's run well, but bad news if Manuel is making poor reads.
Yes I was reading that article last night... Plays are not being run right and they are stacking boxes because no threat of a pass... EJ has to step up and the plays have to be run better. Period.

 
Anyone thinking of benching spiller this week to see how the thigh injury shakes out?

I have a few other options (crappy ones: MJD, Moreno, Joique, Ridley, Bolden), but I really can't afford another 1-2 point game from Spiller.....

 
Anyone thinking of benching spiller this week to see how the thigh injury shakes out?

I have a few other options (crappy ones: MJD, Moreno, Joique, Ridley, Bolden), but I really can't afford another 1-2 point game from Spiller.....
me either I have a tough match up this week... I could bench him for bell but I think Im putting him in with eyes closed hoping something goes his way in week 4.

 
Anyone thinking of benching spiller this week to see how the thigh injury shakes out?

I have a few other options (crappy ones: MJD, Moreno, Joique, Ridley, Bolden), but I really can't afford another 1-2 point game from Spiller.....
Benching him in a 16 teamer so start w/ confidence.

I am worried about him, obviously. Hasn't looked great and these dings are annoying.

 
Anyone thinking of benching spiller this week to see how the thigh injury shakes out?

I have a few other options (crappy ones: MJD, Moreno, Joique, Ridley, Bolden), but I really can't afford another 1-2 point game from Spiller.....
Benching him in a 16 teamer so start w/ confidence.

I am worried about him, obviously. Hasn't looked great and these dings are annoying.
LOL, exactly, every time I bench a stud they go off, EVERY ###### TIME.

 
I'm starting sproles, chris johnson, mcfadden over him but wouldn't be surprised if he had a good week. PPR

 
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Just traded Spiller for Gordon in a redraft league.
Seems like a classic buy high sell low on your part. Anything is possible and it could work out but, 3 weeks into the season, that's a head scratcher to me.
Seems fine to me- Gordon put up more points this week than Spiller has in 3 games. Obviously both will regress to the mean, but it wouldn't surprise me at all of Gordon outscores him the rest of the way, especially considering Spiller's banged up and has a tough schedule coming up.
Gordon has the potential to have a huge year and there are obvious concerns for Spiller. And I'm somewhat biased as a Spiller owner and my main league has unique scoring that is even more RB friendly than most.

I still wouldn't do that deal from the Spiller side without getting something else in return but maybe I'm selling Gordon short here. We'll see...
Sure, no one has a crystal ball, and league settings will play a role, but this seems like a coin flip situation to me.

 
Spiller's talent wins out in the end. I believe he is back to 20 plus points in ppr formats, hopefully they go to the drawing board and start designing space plays for this guy and he will be fine. also give him more gl looks... hopefully this changes in the near future or Fjax shows his age and spiller really regains lead for the job. I need this guy.

 
Spiller's talent wins out in the end. I believe he is back to 20 plus points in ppr formats, hopefully they go to the drawing board and start designing space plays for this guy and he will be fine. also give him more gl looks... hopefully this changes in the near future or Fjax shows his age and spiller really regains lead for the job. I need this guy.
I agree that his talent with rear it's head at some point, but why or how would Fred start to show his age? He's looked awfully good. The best case scenario for Spiller owners would be an injury to Fjax. Something that is certainly not unlikely. As much as I need for CJ to step it up, its kinda hard not to pull for the old man.

 
Spiller's talent wins out in the end. I believe he is back to 20 plus points in ppr formats, hopefully they go to the drawing board and start designing space plays for this guy and he will be fine. also give him more gl looks... hopefully this changes in the near future or Fjax shows his age and spiller really regains lead for the job. I need this guy.
I agree that his talent with rear it's head at some point, but why or how would Fred start to show his age? He's looked awfully good. The best case scenario for Spiller owners would be an injury to Fjax. Something that is certainly not unlikely. As much as I need for CJ to step it up, its kinda hard not to pull for the old man.
yes an injury to fjax is not out of the realm of possibility, I would actually say at least 50 percent chance of Fjax missing games or taking himself out of games.. Spiller's touches haven't really bothered me as much as others, although the way he is getting the touches are. I believe the touches will come more and more as the year goes on, it's just the line and EJ have to make plays and help out because that is some poor ### offensive play calling and execution.

 
at least when fitz was QB there was a threat of passing the ball consistently... sure the guy threw too many picks... but i think that's why, no one respects EJ Manual's ability to read a D and hit the open receiver...

 
at least when fitz was QB there was a threat of passing the ball consistently... sure the guy threw too many picks... but i think that's why, no one respects EJ Manual's ability to read a D and hit the open receiver...
Yea, man. I watched the second half of the Jets game and was floored by how bad Manuel looked at times. Off the top of my head I remember 3 passes that looked like wounded ducks that went ridicuously over the head of the receiver and 3 other passes to RBs out of the backfield, in which he rocket-launched them off the hands or helmet of Fjax/Choice.

Manuel is hurting Spiller as much as anything else.

Edit: Rocket!

 
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maybe bills should be calling Tb to inquire about Freeman?? he isn't great but better then Manuel it seems at this point in time.

 
Spiller has massive upside, clearly, but to me, the biggest concern is the change in quarterbacks. Even though Fitzpatrick was inconsistent and a turnover machine at times, he knew how to use the RBs out of the backfield and hit them in stride to where they could make big plays; will Kolb (or whoever) be able to do the same? That is the concern, because, with Fred Jackson still there and likely to still garner a lot of touches, Spiller racking up receiving yards could be the difference between him being a possible top 5 RB and a bust (in the sense of probably still being a top 20 RB, but not as awesome as expected).
Yes, I am gonna pat myself on the back and quote myself from back in May. It still mystifies me that so many people overlooked the QB situation and figured Spiller would still be a top RB. Maybe it's because AP was so awesome last year with Christian Ponder as his QB, but Spiller is no AP. He is a very different type of back, and if he doesn't get space to work in, Spiller is going nowhere. As we are seeing. This is not a surprise to me at all.

 
maybe bills should be calling Tb to inquire about Freeman?? he isn't great but better then Manuel it seems at this point in time.
freeman's contract makes him untradeable as no one is going to want to eat $6M+ for the rest of the season (unless a contender loses their QB for the year.... but even though is freeman really worth that money?)

 
T with T said:
maybe bills should be calling Tb to inquire about Freeman?? he isn't great but better then Manuel it seems at this point in time.
There is a ZERO percent chance that the Bills would be interested in Freeman as anything other than a backup and they are not going to give up a draft pick to bring him in during the season. Just not going to happen. They are going to let their 1st round draft pick go through his growing pains.

Ghost Rider said:
Spiller has massive upside, clearly, but to me, the biggest concern is the change in quarterbacks. Even though Fitzpatrick was inconsistent and a turnover machine at times, he knew how to use the RBs out of the backfield and hit them in stride to where they could make big plays; will Kolb (or whoever) be able to do the same? That is the concern, because, with Fred Jackson still there and likely to still garner a lot of touches, Spiller racking up receiving yards could be the difference between him being a possible top 5 RB and a bust (in the sense of probably still being a top 20 RB, but not as awesome as expected).
Yes, I am gonna pat myself on the back and quote myself from back in May. It still mystifies me that so many people overlooked the QB situation and figured Spiller would still be a top RB. Maybe it's because AP was so awesome last year with Christian Ponder as his QB, but Spiller is no AP. He is a very different type of back, and if he doesn't get space to work in, Spiller is going nowhere. As we are seeing. This is not a surprise to me at all.
Good call. I think it was less the success of Peterson than it was the success of recent QBs like Luck, Griffin, and to a lesser extent Tannehill that led me to believe that Spiller would be ok with a rookie QB. Not that Manuel is on the level of those guys but I think it's been proven that young QBs can have more relative success than they used to in the NFL. And statistically, Manuel has actually fared decently against 3 very good defensive fronts. Though he was pretty awful last week against the Jets.

But when you factor in not only a rookie QB, but also rookie head coach, rookie offensive coordinator, AND the fact that Manuel and Spiller both missed significant practice time at the end of pre-season then we should not be surprised by early season struggles.

The question now is if you believe they will significantly improve over the course of the season. I think they will but certainly understand those who are not as confident.

 
Id hate to bench Spiller and see him blow up, but that sounds better than having him in my lineup and continuing this string of suckitude. I absolutely cant afford to start both him and Wilson, and right now Im leaning Wilson, because while both guys have tough matchups, I can see it being more likely that this is the week Wilson breaks out.

I'll have to start 2 of Spiller, Wilson, Mathews, Pierce. Probably leaning Wilson and Pierce.

 
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I cant believe some people are saying Freeman is better than Manuel. The guy was a first rounder and he has played 3 games.

Ridiculous to even think the Bills are or should be considering that.

That being said.....CJ Spiller.....ouch.....Not sure what to do with that guy. He has had tough matchups and got hurt but man....brutal....

 
I cant believe some people are saying Freeman is better than Manuel. The guy was a first rounder and he has played 3 games.

Ridiculous to even think the Bills are or should be considering that.

That being said.....CJ Spiller.....ouch.....Not sure what to do with that guy. He has had tough matchups and got hurt but man....brutal....
Again....has it really been that brutal? 16 for 103 vs. CAR which has one of the better front 7? Its been a very small sample size. Yes, we expected more but I'm not sure it's a giant disaster just yet.

 
Rotoinfo_NFL ‏@Rotoinfo_NFL16m
#Bills: C.J. Spiller--RB: Bills RB C.J. Spiller (quad) was limited in practice on Wednesday.
According to rotoworld Spiller got in a full practice yesterday, which is obviously a good sign that the leg injury was minor.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/270977/cj-spiller-back-practicing-in-full-already

This is a big week for us Spiller owners. After 3 weeks its time that CJ and the coaches figure out how to overcome these early season struggles.

 
I cant believe some people are saying Freeman is better than Manuel. The guy was a first rounder and he has played 3 games.

Ridiculous to even think the Bills are or should be considering that.

That being said.....CJ Spiller.....ouch.....Not sure what to do with that guy. He has had tough matchups and got hurt but man....brutal....
Again....has it really been that brutal? 16 for 103 vs. CAR which has one of the better front 7? Its been a very small sample size. Yes, we expected more but I'm not sure it's a giant disaster just yet.
Again, yes, it has really been that brutal. This is fantasy football, you don't get points for facing a tough front 7 or having a good ypc avg one game. Obviously he can turn it around as soon as this week, but so far, I don't see how you can call it anything but bad. Doesn't matter who is to blame, who he faced, etc.

 
VaTerp said:
Rotoinfo_NFL ‏@Rotoinfo_NFL16m
#Bills: C.J. Spiller--RB: Bills RB C.J. Spiller (quad) was limited in practice on Wednesday.
According to rotoworld Spiller got in a full practice yesterday, which is obviously a good sign that the leg injury was minor.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/270977/cj-spiller-back-practicing-in-full-already

This is a big week for us Spiller owners. After 3 weeks its time that CJ and the coaches figure out how to overcome these early season struggles.
against the #1 d vs run.

 
As a barometer of Spillers trade value. In a Dynasty PPR league I moved Nicks/Witten/Hillman/NWashington for Spiller/FJax/Eifert.

I'm a Bills homer and the Spiller owner has been very hesitant about trading him. With doubts around Spiller I felt I had my chance to grab him this week. I'm happy with the deal but like it more long term than short term.

 
i threw out a spiller/colston deal for Dmac/desean and then cancelled it after I came to my senses... I can't give up1st round pick and 4th for two guys that could fall apart anytime in dmac/desean even though right at the moment it looks good for the latter. I don't know why Buff can't figure out how to use spiller that is mind boggling. Im goin with him for one more week hopefully this is his breakout.

 
Nice read, I have not had the chance to watch the Bills much.

Read option is going to be good for Spiller if it's run well, but bad news if Manuel is making poor reads.
Yes I was reading that article last night... Plays are not being run right and they are stacking boxes because no threat of a pass... EJ has to step up and the plays have to be run better. Period.
Very nice read.

I think some coaches, perhaps Hackett, may take the learning curve of the read-option for granted. It's a split second decision that may ultimately cause said QB to get jacked in the grill if they make the wrong decision. Manuel was primarily a pocket passer at FSU with good scrambling skills...not a read-option guy. If you look at the QBs in the NFL that are successful at it, almost all of them ran read-option in college and actually have had to make those decisions hundreds of times without NFL-sized DEs imprinting their ribs in the turf while learning it.

I like the idea of the read-option to help a rookie QB out, but if he is struggling with the implementation, shelve it for another day. Give the kid some packages that make him comfortable and build his confidence.

 
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As a barometer of Spillers trade value. In a Dynasty PPR league I moved Nicks/Witten/Hillman/NWashington for Spiller/FJax/Eifert.

I'm a Bills homer and the Spiller owner has been very hesitant about trading him. With doubts around Spiller I felt I had my chance to grab him this week. I'm happy with the deal but like it more long term than short term.
In a redraft 12 team league the only one I had spiller in I finally got a bite, he's gone and im happy.. I know it's only three weeks but the guy was god awful and the whole buff squad was awful. I own him in 0 leagues now and should have steered clear when I had the # 2 pick overall... I traded Spiller/Colston for Dmac/Desean.... thru 3 weeks spiller/colston avg 21.7 points compared to dmac/desean avg 39... Def boosts my team imo as Desean is head and shoulders above sore foot marques and split carry CJ.

 
Now that we have seen that the 2013 version of spiller is absolutely not matchup proof, let's examine his remaining schedule:

Week4: Sep 29 BAL tough

Week 5: Oct 3 @CLE tough

Week 6: Oct 13 CIN Tough

Week7: Oct 20 @MIA tough

Week8: Oct 27 @NOR fairly tough

Week9: Nov 3 KAN Tough

Week10: Nov 10 @PIT tough

Week 11: Nov 17 NYJ Tough

Bye

Week 13. Dec 1 ATL Neutral

Week 14: Dec 8 @TAM tough

Week 15: Dec 15 @JAC. Easy

Week 16: Dec 22 MIA Tough

Week 18: Dec 29 @NWE tough

WOW...seeing as how Cj is now splitting carries, losing goal line looks, and flat out getting out worked and outperformed by fjax...plus this tough schedule...my call is:

Dynasty - hold.

Redraft - sell while you still can. Not saying he won't have a few big games this year but my goodness look at that schedule. Almost every week is a tough matchup.

 
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Now that we have seen that the 2013 version of spiller is absolutely not matchup proof, let's examine his remaining schedule:

Week4: Sep 29 BAL tough

Week 5: Oct 3 @CLE tough

Week 6: Oct 13 CIN Tough

Week7: Oct 20 @MIA tough

Week8: Oct 27 @NOR fairly tough

Week9: Nov 3 KAN Tough

Week10: Nov 10 @PIT tough

Week 11: Nov 17 NYJ Tough

Bye

Week 13. Dec 1 ATL Neutral

Week 14: Dec 8 @TAM tough

Week 15: Dec 15 @JAC. Easy

Week 16: Dec 22 MIA Tough

Week 18: Dec 29 @NWE tough

WOW...seeing as how Cj is now splitting carries, losing goal line looks, and flat out getting out worked and outperformed by fjax...plus this tough schedule...my call is:

Dynasty - hold.

Redraft - sell while you still can. Not saying he won't have a few big games this year but my goodness look at that schedule. Almost every week is a tough matchup.
According to FBGs SOS, Miami (twice), Pittsburgh, and Atlantaare all good matchups. And some of the others are a little misleading. Some are not tough run Ds, teams just easily pass on them and don't need to run. And if spiller is used in the passing game he should do well against those teams as well.
 
Now that we have seen that the 2013 version of spiller is absolutely not matchup proof, let's examine his remaining schedule:

Week4: Sep 29 BAL tough

Week 5: Oct 3 @CLE tough

Week 6: Oct 13 CIN Tough

Week7: Oct 20 @MIA tough

Week8: Oct 27 @NOR fairly tough

Week9: Nov 3 KAN Tough

Week10: Nov 10 @PIT tough

Week 11: Nov 17 NYJ Tough

Bye

Week 13. Dec 1 ATL Neutral

Week 14: Dec 8 @TAM tough

Week 15: Dec 15 @JAC. Easy

Week 16: Dec 22 MIA Tough

Week 18: Dec 29 @NWE tough

WOW...seeing as how Cj is now splitting carries, losing goal line looks, and flat out getting out worked and outperformed by fjax...plus this tough schedule...my call is:

Dynasty - hold.

Redraft - sell while you still can. Not saying he won't have a few big games this year but my goodness look at that schedule. Almost every week is a tough matchup.
Because they load the box and swarm the box with fjax?

 
As a barometer of Spillers trade value. In a Dynasty PPR league I moved Nicks/Witten/Hillman/NWashington for Spiller/FJax/Eifert.

I'm a Bills homer and the Spiller owner has been very hesitant about trading him. With doubts around Spiller I felt I had my chance to grab him this week. I'm happy with the deal but like it more long term than short term.
What a horrible trade for the Spiller owner LOL. That's absolute robbery - he should have kept being hesitant.

 
As a barometer of Spillers trade value. In a Dynasty PPR league I moved Nicks/Witten/Hillman/NWashington for Spiller/FJax/Eifert.

I'm a Bills homer and the Spiller owner has been very hesitant about trading him. With doubts around Spiller I felt I had my chance to grab him this week. I'm happy with the deal but like it more long term than short term.
What a horrible trade for the Spiller owner LOL. That's absolute robbery - he should have kept being hesitant.
yea dynasy that is horrible.... Spiller has more value in Dynasty imo... This year is just gonna be frustrating... Lack of a quality qb because he is a rookie, loaded boxes and loss of GL carries.... I was happy to get rid of him in my redraft league for Dmac,Desean though.

 
Ace zero1 said:
rickyg said:
Now that we have seen that the 2013 version of spiller is absolutely not matchup proof, let's examine his remaining schedule:

Week4: Sep 29 BAL tough

Week 5: Oct 3 @CLE tough

Week 6: Oct 13 CIN Tough

Week7: Oct 20 @MIA tough

Week8: Oct 27 @NOR fairly tough

Week9: Nov 3 KAN Tough

Week10: Nov 10 @PIT tough

Week 11: Nov 17 NYJ Tough

Bye

Week 13. Dec 1 ATL Neutral

Week 14: Dec 8 @TAM tough

Week 15: Dec 15 @JAC. Easy

Week 16: Dec 22 MIA Tough

Week 18: Dec 29 @NWE tough

WOW...seeing as how Cj is now splitting carries, losing goal line looks, and flat out getting out worked and outperformed by fjax...plus this tough schedule...my call is:

Dynasty - hold.

Redraft - sell while you still can. Not saying he won't have a few big games this year but my goodness look at that schedule. Almost every week is a tough matchup.
Because they load the box and swarm the box with fjax?
I see your point but it doesn't matter WHY Spiller is being outperformed by fjax...it matter that it's happening. Are defenses now going to stop loading the box for spiller bc we have recognized that they are? Are they going to start loading the box for fjax bc we recognize that they aren't?

Forget fjax and let's stay on spiller...look at how he is running...tentatively...dancing. no holes to run through. the box is stacked against him and the bills o line isn't good enough to compensate...and to my absolute SHOCK, Spiller is not good enough to create something out of nothing this season.

I don't get it...I don't understand what happened. He showed last year that he isn't one dimensional. He can make some tough yards b/w the tackles. Just not happening this year. Something is different with him. I was a huge...beyond huge spiller proponent until this season. I own him in dynasty and I'm not selling (not now at least). But if I owned him in redraft, I'd be very worried. His performance reeks of chris johnson's last few years. Some good games when the opponent is beatable, but disappears vs tougher opponents. And that schedule is not friendly.

 

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