Post here when coaches do something you disagree with (2 Viewers)

[ignatiusjreilly]

Bears went for it on 4th and 1 at the Denver 18 yard line in a tied game with under 3 minutes to play. Didn't get it and lost by a FG.

Bad move not taking the points.

Wasn't watching the game, but based on what I've heard about it, sounds like they made the right call. If you kick the FG Denver has two minutes to drive down against your Swiss-cheese D. On the other hand, if you can run for one yard against their matador D-line (which had already given up 100+ yards to Herbert) you can run the clock down and kick a game-winner with no time left.

 

[Max Power]

Bears went for it on 4th and 1 at the Denver 18 yard line in a tied game with under 3 minutes to play. Didn't get it and lost by a FG.

Bad move not taking the points.

Wasn't watching the game, but based on what I've heard about it, sounds like they made the right call. If you kick the FG Denver has two minutes to drive down against your Swiss-cheese D. On the other hand, if you can run for one yard against their matador D-line (which had already given up 100+ yards to Herbert) you can run the clock down and kick a game-winner with no time left.

The short yardage offense has been horrible all year. I would have put the points on the board and gave the defense a chance. If they lose because the D gave up a TD, they lose and we know the D stinks. Instead we had to watch the offense flail and turnover on downs. Defense bends to give up 3 just to let the offense come back out and fail when they have to play from behind. It was such a Bears loss. The team can't even lose right.

Fields goes from having a remarkable game to his final 4 drives being a 3 and out, fumble 6, turnover on downs and INT.

 

[drummer]

Is MoP still around? He said somethin' about somethin' that I may have disagreed with a few years ago. But I still covered.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

What Brandon Staley did in week (insert number here) was an embarrassment.

 

[titusbramble]

Bears went for it on 4th and 1 at the Denver 18 yard line in a tied game with under 3 minutes to play. Didn't get it and lost by a FG.

Bad move not taking the points.

Wasn't watching the game, but based on what I've heard about it, sounds like they made the right call. If you kick the FG Denver has two minutes to drive down against your Swiss-cheese D. On the other hand, if you can run for one yard against their matador D-line (which had already given up 100+ yards to Herbert) you can run the clock down and kick a game-winner with no time left.

I was also fine with the play in real time. Should be a high enough percentage play to be correct

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Can Brandon Staley have his own thread so this one doesn't get so cluttered?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Double whammy in the Eagles game.

First, the Eagles had 2nd & 4, on the Washington 28. 1:43 left on the clock. WAS with 1 TO left.

Brian Johnson calls a double move bomb play that resulted in a TD. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

On 2nd down, call a run play. Force WAS to use it's last TO.

On 3rd down, call a run play. Run the clock to just under 1 minute.

If you get the 1st down on either of those run plays, you can set up Jake Elliot for a 40 yard FG with no time on the clock. Worst case Elliot is kicking a 45 yard FG with 1 minute left and WAS with 0 TOs left.

Instead they score with 1:37 left, get a taunting penalty, WAS gets the ball on their 36 yard line and score a TD. Where (here is the 2nd mistake) Ron Rivera for some reason doesn't go for 2 and the win.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I’ve long complained about teams that run draw plays at the end of the half — if you’re not going to try to score, why not just take a knee? — but the Seahawks just took it to another level. They got the ball with just under a minute left and ran the ball three times, although one of the runs was to the outside where Walker went out of bounds. Then the Giants committed a penalty on the punt and Seattle kept the ball. So they proceeded to do another outside run (Walker went out again), an inside run after which they called timeout, and then on third down Walker picked up the first, after which they let the clock run out.

Don’t get me wrong. I think they were right to not try to score; they are up 14-3 and have a backup QB in, so no need to risk disaster. But what was accomplished by that play sequence, beyond risking an injury to Walker or someone else?

 

[SayWhat?]

I’ve long complained about teams that run draw plays at the end of the half — if you’re not going to try to score, why not just take a knee? — but the Seahawks just took it to another level. They got the ball with just under a minute left and ran the ball three times, although one of the runs was to the outside where Walker went out of bounds. Then the Giants committed a penalty on the punt and Seattle kept the ball. So they proceeded to do another outside run (Walker went out again), an inside run after which they called timeout, and then on third down Walker picked up the first, after which they let the clock run out.

Don’t get me wrong. I think they were right to not try to score; they are up 14-3 and have a backup QB in, so no need to risk disaster. But what was accomplished by that play sequence, beyond risking an injury to Walker or someone else?

Probably the potential that a RB with the explosiveness to break a 70 yard run actually breaks a 70 yard run.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I’ve long complained about teams that run draw plays at the end of the half — if you’re not going to try to score, why not just take a knee? — but the Seahawks just took it to another level. They got the ball with just under a minute left and ran the ball three times, although one of the runs was to the outside where Walker went out of bounds. Then the Giants committed a penalty on the punt and Seattle kept the ball. So they proceeded to do another outside run (Walker went out again), an inside run after which they called timeout, and then on third down Walker picked up the first, after which they let the clock run out.

Don’t get me wrong. I think they were right to not try to score; they are up 14-3 and have a backup QB in, so no need to risk disaster. But what was accomplished by that play sequence, beyond risking an injury to Walker or someone else?

Probably the potential that a RB with the explosiveness to break a 70 yard run actually breaks a 70 yard run.

I'd say this is it. If he breaks a long run, you have something (non-zero chance of that happening). It's probably worth the injury risk of a few run plays.

 

[kutta]

Chargers up 28-24, 4th and 1, own 24 yard line, 1:51 remaining, Vikings have no timeouts.
Chargers primary RB Kelley had 10 carries for 12 yards in the game up to that point, with 4 of those 10 carries going for no gain or negative yards.
Chargers have a good punter and good punt coverage team.

Chargers went for it, and Kelley was stopped for no gain.

I thought this was a terrible decision and was shocked before the play that Staley made that decision. Two aspects: (1) deciding to go for it, and (2) deciding to hand off rather than sneak or otherwise put the play in Herbert's hands.

Fortunately, the Vikings let the Chargers off the hook by choking themselves in the end, rushing their final play interception instead of calmly spiking the ball (on first down) to take their time.

One week later.

Chargers up 24-17, 4th and 1, own 34 yard line, 3:34 remaining, Raiders have 1 timeout.
Raiders are playing backup QB O'Connell, who took his first NFL snaps in this game.
Chargers QB Herbert suffered an injury to the middle finger of his left (non-throwing) hand earlier in the game, and has a glove on the hand and splint over the glove on the finger. Announcer Trent Green has said a number of times that he would not be able to line up under center and receive the snap.
Chargers #1 center missed the game with a heart ailment, so the Chargers are playing backup center Clapp.

Chargers went for it, attempting a QB sneak which was stopped for no gain.

Just like last week, I thought this was a poor decision before the play, and I also thought the play call was bad, asking Herbert to make the sneak with a splint on his finger. I don't know if the finger injury affected the play, just saying it would have affected my decision.

Fortunately, just like the Vikings last week, the Raiders let the Chargers off the hook by throwing a goal line interception.

Will we have another one of these decisions next week?

I think both those examples show why you should go for it.
If you get it, the game is over and you win.
If you don’t get it, you still may win.

So yes, you risk giving them the ball back in good position, but you give up the chance to win right then (and you still may win if you don’t get it).

 

[Tau837]

Chargers up 28-24, 4th and 1, own 24 yard line, 1:51 remaining, Vikings have no timeouts.
Chargers primary RB Kelley had 10 carries for 12 yards in the game up to that point, with 4 of those 10 carries going for no gain or negative yards.
Chargers have a good punter and good punt coverage team.

Chargers went for it, and Kelley was stopped for no gain.

I thought this was a terrible decision and was shocked before the play that Staley made that decision. Two aspects: (1) deciding to go for it, and (2) deciding to hand off rather than sneak or otherwise put the play in Herbert's hands.

Fortunately, the Vikings let the Chargers off the hook by choking themselves in the end, rushing their final play interception instead of calmly spiking the ball (on first down) to take their time.

One week later.

Chargers up 24-17, 4th and 1, own 34 yard line, 3:34 remaining, Raiders have 1 timeout.
Raiders are playing backup QB O'Connell, who took his first NFL snaps in this game.
Chargers QB Herbert suffered an injury to the middle finger of his left (non-throwing) hand earlier in the game, and has a glove on the hand and splint over the glove on the finger. Announcer Trent Green has said a number of times that he would not be able to line up under center and receive the snap.
Chargers #1 center missed the game with a heart ailment, so the Chargers are playing backup center Clapp.

Chargers went for it, attempting a QB sneak which was stopped for no gain.

Just like last week, I thought this was a poor decision before the play, and I also thought the play call was bad, asking Herbert to make the sneak with a splint on his finger. I don't know if the finger injury affected the play, just saying it would have affected my decision.

Fortunately, just like the Vikings last week, the Raiders let the Chargers off the hook by throwing a goal line interception.

Will we have another one of these decisions next week?

I think both those examples show why you should go for it.
If you get it, the game is over and you win.
If you don’t get it, you still may win.

So yes, you risk giving them the ball back in good position, but you give up the chance to win right then (and you still may win if you don’t get it).

In both cases, the other team should have won the game but gave the game away and the Chargers were lucky to win in spite of themselves.

So, yes, you can still win if the other team ****s up, but I don't like having to count on that. These posts were also as much about the poor play calls as about the decision to go for it.

 

[kutta]

Chargers up 28-24, 4th and 1, own 24 yard line, 1:51 remaining, Vikings have no timeouts.
Chargers primary RB Kelley had 10 carries for 12 yards in the game up to that point, with 4 of those 10 carries going for no gain or negative yards.
Chargers have a good punter and good punt coverage team.

Chargers went for it, and Kelley was stopped for no gain.

I thought this was a terrible decision and was shocked before the play that Staley made that decision. Two aspects: (1) deciding to go for it, and (2) deciding to hand off rather than sneak or otherwise put the play in Herbert's hands.

Fortunately, the Vikings let the Chargers off the hook by choking themselves in the end, rushing their final play interception instead of calmly spiking the ball (on first down) to take their time.

One week later.

Chargers up 24-17, 4th and 1, own 34 yard line, 3:34 remaining, Raiders have 1 timeout.
Raiders are playing backup QB O'Connell, who took his first NFL snaps in this game.
Chargers QB Herbert suffered an injury to the middle finger of his left (non-throwing) hand earlier in the game, and has a glove on the hand and splint over the glove on the finger. Announcer Trent Green has said a number of times that he would not be able to line up under center and receive the snap.
Chargers #1 center missed the game with a heart ailment, so the Chargers are playing backup center Clapp.

Chargers went for it, attempting a QB sneak which was stopped for no gain.

Just like last week, I thought this was a poor decision before the play, and I also thought the play call was bad, asking Herbert to make the sneak with a splint on his finger. I don't know if the finger injury affected the play, just saying it would have affected my decision.

Fortunately, just like the Vikings last week, the Raiders let the Chargers off the hook by throwing a goal line interception.

Will we have another one of these decisions next week?

I think both those examples show why you should go for it.
If you get it, the game is over and you win.
If you don’t get it, you still may win.

So yes, you risk giving them the ball back in good position, but you give up the chance to win right then (and you still may win if you don’t get it).

In both cases, the other team should have won the game but gave the game away and the Chargers were lucky to win in spite of themselves.

So, yes, you can still win if the other team ****s up, but I don't like having to count on that. These posts were also as much about the poor play calls as about the decision to go for it.

I get that. I guess I look at it like a semi-bluff in poker. You may have a flush draw after the turn and know you're currently behind, but if you shove all-in, the other guy may fold (so you win right there). And if he doesn't fold, you still may win if you hit your hand on the river.

I totally understand people who say you shouldn't go for those fourth downs. But I like the aggressiveness, and the ability to win the game right then and there is appealing to me.

 

[Tau837]

Chargers up 28-24, 4th and 1, own 24 yard line, 1:51 remaining, Vikings have no timeouts.
Chargers primary RB Kelley had 10 carries for 12 yards in the game up to that point, with 4 of those 10 carries going for no gain or negative yards.
Chargers have a good punter and good punt coverage team.

Chargers went for it, and Kelley was stopped for no gain.

I thought this was a terrible decision and was shocked before the play that Staley made that decision. Two aspects: (1) deciding to go for it, and (2) deciding to hand off rather than sneak or otherwise put the play in Herbert's hands.

Fortunately, the Vikings let the Chargers off the hook by choking themselves in the end, rushing their final play interception instead of calmly spiking the ball (on first down) to take their time.

One week later.

Chargers up 24-17, 4th and 1, own 34 yard line, 3:34 remaining, Raiders have 1 timeout.
Raiders are playing backup QB O'Connell, who took his first NFL snaps in this game.
Chargers QB Herbert suffered an injury to the middle finger of his left (non-throwing) hand earlier in the game, and has a glove on the hand and splint over the glove on the finger. Announcer Trent Green has said a number of times that he would not be able to line up under center and receive the snap.
Chargers #1 center missed the game with a heart ailment, so the Chargers are playing backup center Clapp.

Chargers went for it, attempting a QB sneak which was stopped for no gain.

Just like last week, I thought this was a poor decision before the play, and I also thought the play call was bad, asking Herbert to make the sneak with a splint on his finger. I don't know if the finger injury affected the play, just saying it would have affected my decision.

Fortunately, just like the Vikings last week, the Raiders let the Chargers off the hook by throwing a goal line interception.

Will we have another one of these decisions next week?

I think both those examples show why you should go for it.
If you get it, the game is over and you win.
If you don’t get it, you still may win.

So yes, you risk giving them the ball back in good position, but you give up the chance to win right then (and you still may win if you don’t get it).

In both cases, the other team should have won the game but gave the game away and the Chargers were lucky to win in spite of themselves.

So, yes, you can still win if the other team ****s up, but I don't like having to count on that. These posts were also as much about the poor play calls as about the decision to go for it.

I get that. I guess I look at it like a semi-bluff in poker. You may have a flush draw after the turn and know you're currently behind, but if you shove all-in, the other guy may fold (so you win right there). And if he doesn't fold, you still may win if you hit your hand on the river.

I totally understand people who say you shouldn't go for those fourth downs. But I like the aggressiveness, and the ability to win the game right then and there is appealing to me.

In game 3, getting the first down would have ended the game. In game 4, it would not have done that. There was still 3:34 remaining, and the Chargers offense was playing badly for the entire second half. That is a big part of my opposition to going for it in game 4.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

wow

 

[BobbyLayne]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

Pikachu face.

 

[Runkle]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

Amazing

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

https://x.com/danwolken/status/1710991816139350515?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

So the Miami thing actually gets stupider, if you can believe it. Cristobal just doesn’t take a knee at the end of games. He hasn’t all year. I don’t understand it. I’m not sure anyone would understand it. But it’s his thing.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Ravens just had the ball at Steelers 30 with 30 seconds left with a 10-3 lead. 4th and 2 and they decide to go for it! Now keep in mind that the Steelers offense is probably the worst in football and has looked absolutely awful again. 13-3 lead would have pretty much sealed it. Even if they get the 1st, it’s highly unlikely they score 7 and so much more could have gone wrong.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Ravens just had the ball at Steelers 30 with 30 seconds left with a 10-3 lead. 4th and 2 and they decide to go for it! Now keep in mind that the Steelers offense is probably the worst in football and has looked absolutely awful again. 13-3 lead would have pretty much sealed it. Even if they get the 1st, it’s highly unlikely they score 7 and so much more could have gone wrong.

Had the same thought…..

 

[Navin Johnson]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

https://x.com/danwolken/status/1710991816139350515?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

So the Miami thing actually gets stupider, if you can believe it. Cristobal just doesn’t take a knee at the end of games. He hasn’t all year. I don’t understand it. I’m not sure anyone would understand it. But it’s his thing.

What is even more mind boggling is the exact same thing happened to him at Oregon. Fumbled it back to Stanford when they could have run the clock out, Cardinal scored and won in OT

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Ravens just had the ball at Steelers 30 with 30 seconds left with a 10-3 lead. 4th and 2 and they decide to go for it! Now keep in mind that the Steelers offense is probably the worst in football and has looked absolutely awful again. 13-3 lead would have pretty much sealed it. Even if they get the 1st, it’s highly unlikely they score 7 and so much more could have gone wrong.

I saw Harbaugh say after the game they were just trying to run the clock down, then call a TO to kick the FG. Linderbaum - the Center - thought one of the Steelers jumped into the neutral zone, so he snapped the ball to catch a penalty. Jackson wasn't expecting a snap - no one was. Linderbaum took all of the blame. It doesn't make the outcome any better, but they weren't actually "going for it".

 

[SoBeDad]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This debacle was a team effort and the buck stops with Mario - he took the blame, what else could he do. The call was probably made by the OC, but Mario could've overridden it. In theory, TVG also could've taken a knee or the RB could've just slid down, ala multiple players on TV at the end of games. Was the OC thinking about a cheap TD, to make the final score more in line with the 20 point spread? Probably not, but who knows.

The other major contributor was the defense, giving up a 44 yard TD by getting beat deep, shades of Doug Flutie in the old Orange Bowl.

BTW, ahead by 3 with one second left, why did the GT coach go for 2? There is the possibility of Miami getting into FG range on the last play and a penalty such as a face mask or personal foul extending the game for one untimed play.

 

[Chaka]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This debacle was a team effort and the buck stops with Mario - he took the blame, what else could he do. The call was probably made by the OC, but Mario could've overridden it. In theory, TVG also could've taken a knee or the RB could've just slid down, ala multiple players on TV at the end of games. Was the OC thinking about a cheap TD, to make the final score more in line with the 20 point spread? Probably not, but who knows.

Placing blame for that debacle anywhere but at the feet of the HC makes no sense.

The OC enacts the philosophy of the HC. The players are kids who aren't going to go against their leadership.

Even if the OC went rogue, which is doubtful, if the HC doesn't have the sense to immediately shut that #### down and call victory formation it's on him. Not in the sense of "It's the OCs fault but buck stops here" but in the sense of "I'm an idiot for making such a huge blunder."

Well and truly one of the stupidest coaching philosophies ever. And that's generously giving him credit for actually having a philosophy at all. And if he does it again, even if it works out, he should be fired before he makes it back to the locker room.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Ravens just had the ball at Steelers 30 with 30 seconds left with a 10-3 lead. 4th and 2 and they decide to go for it! Now keep in mind that the Steelers offense is probably the worst in football and has looked absolutely awful again. 13-3 lead would have pretty much sealed it. Even if they get the 1st, it’s highly unlikely they score 7 and so much more could have gone wrong.

I saw Harbaugh say after the game they were just trying to run the clock down, then call a TO to kick the FG. Linderbaum - the Center - thought one of the Steelers jumped into the neutral zone, so he snapped the ball to catch a penalty. Jackson wasn't expecting a snap - no one was. Linderbaum took all of the blame. It doesn't make the outcome any better, but they weren't actually "going for it".

Ahhh that makes sense. During the game, that’s actually what I thought they were trying to do (and as a bonus get a Steelers defender to jump offsides).

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This debacle was a team effort and the buck stops with Mario - he took the blame, what else could he do. The call was probably made by the OC, but Mario could've overridden it. In theory, TVG also could've taken a knee or the RB could've just slid down, ala multiple players on TV at the end of games. Was the OC thinking about a cheap TD, to make the final score more in line with the 20 point spread? Probably not, but who knows.

Placing blame for that debacle anywhere but at the feet of the HC makes no sense.

The OC enacts the philosophy of the HC. The players are kids who aren't going to go against their leadership.

Even if the OC went rogue, which is doubtful, if the HC doesn't have the sense to immediately shut that #### down and call victory formation it's on him. Not in the sense of "It's the OCs fault but buck stops here" but in the sense of "I'm an idiot for making such a huge blunder."

Well and truly one of the stupidest coaching philosophies ever. And that's generously giving him credit for actually having a philosophy at all. And if he does it again, even if it works out, he should be fired before he makes it back to the locker room.

Especially given that there appears to be extensive evidence that the HC simply doesn't believe in kneeling at the ends of games

 

[Zow]

at “believing” or not in a purely strategical play as if it’s something malevolent deity.

 

[Navin Johnson]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This debacle was a team effort and the buck stops with Mario - he took the blame, what else could he do. The call was probably made by the OC, but Mario could've overridden it. In theory, TVG also could've taken a knee or the RB could've just slid down, ala multiple players on TV at the end of games. Was the OC thinking about a cheap TD, to make the final score more in line with the 20 point spread? Probably not, but who knows.

The other major contributor was the defense, giving up a 44 yard TD by getting beat deep, shades of Doug Flutie in the old Orange Bowl.

BTW, ahead by 3 with one second left, why did the GT coach go for 2? There is the possibility of Miami getting into FG range on the last play and a penalty such as a face mask or personal foul extending the game for one untimed play.

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This debacle was a team effort and the buck stops with Mario - he took the blame, what else could he do. The call was probably made by the OC, but Mario could've overridden it. In theory, TVG also could've taken a knee or the RB could've just slid down, ala multiple players on TV at the end of games. Was the OC thinking about a cheap TD, to make the final score more in line with the 20 point spread? Probably not, but who knows.

Placing blame for that debacle anywhere but at the feet of the HC makes no sense.

The OC enacts the philosophy of the HC. The players are kids who aren't going to go against their leadership.

Even if the OC went rogue, which is doubtful, if the HC doesn't have the sense to immediately shut that #### down and call victory formation it's on him. Not in the sense of "It's the OCs fault but buck stops here" but in the sense of "I'm an idiot for making such a huge blunder."

Well and truly one of the stupidest coaching philosophies ever. And that's generously giving him credit for actually having a philosophy at all. And if he does it again, even if it works out, he should be fired before he makes it back to the locker room.

Especially given that there appears to be extensive evidence that the HC simply doesn't believe in kneeling at the ends of games

And they didn't kneel on first or second down.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

at “believing” or not in a purely strategical play as if it’s something malevolent deity.

I know, right? I really hope after this that local reporters pin him down on this issue. Like, why does he have such strong feelings on the matter, to the point where he's willing to jeopardize victories? How did the Stanford loss in 2018 not cause he to reassess? Is he now willing to do so? It's truly bizarre

 

[BobbyLayne]

Design Flaw - Breaking down another 4th down blunder by the Ravens

All 22 Films is a former high school defensive coordinator.

Good explain of the install and why it's almost inconceivable Tyler Linderbaum didn't have the option to snap it there. That's the insane part - they probably screwed up the install in July. It's not that no one reminded him on the sideline "don't snap it", it's that when they designed it they gave him the option to do so when they put the play in back in TC. It's a fundamental, foundational play - we see teams try to hard count an encroachment 500 times a year. The center has to be immobile.

The 23 year old center manned up and said it was his fault. The reality is there's another level here - the coaches set him up for failure.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Just to be clear, ANY of the four OL at G/T can move if a defender encroaches. Refs will say the defense caused the movement, defensive offsides. Worst case Tucker’s kicking a 47 yarder instead of a 42 yarder.

What they cannot allow in the install is the center snapping the ball to get the penalty.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This is the dumbest decision I've ever seen from a sports team on any level. I simply cannot think of another decision that was worse. Ever.

The Meadowlands play at least occurred before kneeldowns were common and there was honest debate as to whether kneeling was an ethically-acceptable play. These days it's expected. There are no alternative theories. There is no debate. Everyone kneels 100 percent of the time in that situation. Except UM.

This will be part of the coach's obituary, no matter how many decades in the future it will be written. I feel honored to be alive when the dumbest play in sports history (past, present and future) occurred.

 

[TampaMike19]

********- why do coaches punt on 4th and less than 5 in their own territory? Brutal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Josh McDaniels decision to kick a 51 yard FG on 4th & 1 at the 2 min warning in a 4 point game was one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

From a strategic standpoint it makes zero sense.

If you make the FG it’s still a 7 point game with 2 mins.

Get the 1st and it’s game over. GB only had 1 TO. So ok, maybe they get the ball with 15-20 seconds.

Terrible coaching. Just awful.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Josh McDaniels decision to kick a 51 yard FG on 4th & 1 at the 2 min warning in a 4 point game was one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

From a strategic standpoint it makes zero sense.

If you make the FG it’s still a 7 point game with 2 mins.

Get the 1st and it’s game over. GB only had 1 TO. So ok, maybe they get the ball with 15-20 seconds.

Terrible coaching. Just awful.

I was flabbergasted. Briefly. Then I remembered who made the decision.

I think the decision tree for most logical people is

• eliminate the FG option; we can get beat with a TD if we miss or a TD + 2 pt conv if we make, so what’s the upside?
• Therefore the decision is between going for it on 4th & 1 (Decision Bot is a strong Go For It) or trying to pin them deep with a punt - possibly after trying to induce offsides. Importantly, DON’T SNAP IT.

Josh chose the worst option. Which is very on brand for him.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Josh McDaniels decision to kick a 51 yard FG on 4th & 1 at the 2 min warning in a 4 point game was one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

From a strategic standpoint it makes zero sense.

If you make the FG it’s still a 7 point game with 2 mins.

Get the 1st and it’s game over. GB only had 1 TO. So ok, maybe they get the ball with 15-20 seconds.

Terrible coaching. Just awful.

I was flabbergasted. Briefly. Then I remembered who made the decision.

I think the decision tree for most logical people is

• eliminate the FG option; we can get beat with a TD if we miss or a TD + 2 pt conv if we make, so what’s the upside?
• Therefore the decision is between going for it on 4th & 1 (Decision Bot is a strong Go For It) or trying to pin them deep with a punt - possibly after trying to induce offsides. Importantly, DON’T SNAP IT.

Josh chose the worst option. Which is very on brand for him.

You guys know that I am usually the No. 1 proponent of "don't give the other QB the ball back with a chance to win the game". And I definitely think McDaniels made the wrong decision last night, especially given that it was a 52-yard attempt. On average, kickers make about 72% of 50+ yard FGAs, whereas the average team converts about 65% of 4th and 1s. So basically, McDaniels traded away a chance to clinch the win for a few percentage points.

All that being said ...

If there were ever a game where it made sense to bet on your defense -- or more accurately, against your opponent's offense -- this was the one. Was anyone really all that scared of Love on that final drive? Didn't that INT seem inevitable?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Josh McDaniels decision to kick a 51 yard FG on 4th & 1 at the 2 min warning in a 4 point game was one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

From a strategic standpoint it makes zero sense.

If you make the FG it’s still a 7 point game with 2 mins.

Get the 1st and it’s game over. GB only had 1 TO. So ok, maybe they get the ball with 15-20 seconds.

Terrible coaching. Just awful.

I was flabbergasted. Briefly. Then I remembered who made the decision.

I think the decision tree for most logical people is

• eliminate the FG option; we can get beat with a TD if we miss or a TD + 2 pt conv if we make, so what’s the upside?
• Therefore the decision is between going for it on 4th & 1 (Decision Bot is a strong Go For It) or trying to pin them deep with a punt - possibly after trying to induce offsides. Importantly, DON’T SNAP IT.

Josh chose the worst option. Which is very on brand for him.

You guys know that I am usually the No. 1 proponent of "don't give the other QB the ball back with a chance to win the game". And I definitely think McDaniels made the wrong decision last night, especially given that it was a 52-yard attempt. On average, kickers make about 72% of 50+ yard FGAs, whereas the average team converts about 65% of 4th and 1s. So basically, McDaniels traded away a chance to clinch the win for a few percentage points.

All that being said ...

If there were ever a game where it made sense to bet on your defense -- or more accurately, against your opponent's offense -- this was the one. Was anyone really all that scared of Love on that final drive? Didn't that INT seem inevitable?

I didn’t watch the game, had an event to attend with wifey

Was up by 80 & had no one going (opp had Doubs) - saw the last 6 minutes & everything that happened was expected

• Love goes 3 n out after a holding call
• Jacobs picks up a couple first downs on 6 straight touches
• Crucial 3rd & 6, run Ameer Abdullah (Pikachu face)
• Miss FG gives Packers the ball 58 yards away with 1:56 left
• Love & Co flail around for 7 plays gaining 23 yards before mercifully falling on their samurai sword by under throwing late into the EZ
• Watson makes no adjustment except to fall backwards & Roberson makes a spectacularly timed leap to nab the game sealing INT

tl; dr - yep I agree

 

[zed2283]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This is the dumbest decision I've ever seen from a sports team on any level. I simply cannot think of another decision that was worse. Ever.

The Meadowlands play at least occurred before kneeldowns were common and there was honest debate as to whether kneeling was an ethically-acceptable play. These days it's expected. There are no alternative theories. There is no debate. Everyone kneels 100 percent of the time in that situation. Except UM.

This will be part of the coach's obituary, no matter how many decades in the future it will be written. I feel honored to be alive when the dumbest play in sports history (past, present and future) occurred.

Analytics.

 

[Chaka]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This is the dumbest decision I've ever seen from a sports team on any level. I simply cannot think of another decision that was worse. Ever.

The Meadowlands play at least occurred before kneeldowns were common and there was honest debate as to whether kneeling was an ethically-acceptable play. These days it's expected. There are no alternative theories. There is no debate. Everyone kneels 100 percent of the time in that situation. Except UM.

This will be part of the coach's obituary, no matter how many decades in the future it will be written. I feel honored to be alive when the dumbest play in sports history (past, present and future) occurred.

Analytics.

I'd love to see him explain which analytic data point recommends not running the play that has a win % of 100.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

College edition. What the University of Miami did yesterday was Miracle at the Meadowlands-level bad

https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1710865228332732478?s=46&t=QBN6NSNmFw6g7C0xqBnz2A

This is the dumbest decision I've ever seen from a sports team on any level. I simply cannot think of another decision that was worse. Ever.

The Meadowlands play at least occurred before kneeldowns were common and there was honest debate as to whether kneeling was an ethically-acceptable play. These days it's expected. There are no alternative theories. There is no debate. Everyone kneels 100 percent of the time in that situation. Except UM.

This will be part of the coach's obituary, no matter how many decades in the future it will be written. I feel honored to be alive when the dumbest play in sports history (past, present and future) occurred.

Analytics.

I'd love to see him explain which analytic data point recommends not running the play that has a win % of 100.

Look, Nerdlinger, clearly you’ve never played football! You can’t just rely on some chart that says 100%. You have to consider each specific circumstance! For all you know, it might only be 99.99% or even 99.98%

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Was doing something else with the game on mute, but can someone explain what the hell is going on here?

3rd & 5 at DEN 44( 0:28 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson sacked at DEN 37 for -7 yards (C.Jones).

Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:22.

(0:22 - 2nd) R.Dixon punts 29 yards to KC 34, Center-M.Fraboni, downed by DEN-R.Moss. PENALTY on DEN-R.Moss, Illegal Touch Kick, 5 yards, enforced at KC 34.(0:22 - 2nd)

Broncos get sacked on third down, with 28 seconds left in the half, and then call timeout before punting the ball back to KC, which has time to run two plays and then kick a 60yd FG.

WHY ARE YOU CALLING TIMEOUT?!?!?!?!

ETA: Only explanation that makes sense is that ESPN wrongly recorded a KC timeout as being taken by Denver.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Was doing something else with the game on mute, but can someone explain what the hell is going on here?

3rd & 5 at DEN 44( 0:28 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson sacked at DEN 37 for -7 yards (C.Jones).

Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:22.

(0:22 - 2nd) R.Dixon punts 29 yards to KC 34, Center-M.Fraboni, downed by DEN-R.Moss. PENALTY on DEN-R.Moss, Illegal Touch Kick, 5 yards, enforced at KC 34.(0:22 - 2nd)

Broncos get sacked on third down, with 28 seconds left in the half, and then call timeout before punting the ball back to KC, which has time to run two plays and then kick a 60yd FG.

WHY ARE YOU CALLING TIMEOUT?!?!?!?!

ETA: Only explanation that makes sense is that ESPN wrongly recorded a KC timeout as being taken by Denver.

Nope, ESPN had it right. Payton called the TO

 

[Snoopy]

Was doing something else with the game on mute, but can someone explain what the hell is going on here?

3rd & 5 at DEN 44( 0:28 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson sacked at DEN 37 for -7 yards (C.Jones).

Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:22.

(0:22 - 2nd) R.Dixon punts 29 yards to KC 34, Center-M.Fraboni, downed by DEN-R.Moss. PENALTY on DEN-R.Moss, Illegal Touch Kick, 5 yards, enforced at KC 34.(0:22 - 2nd)

Broncos get sacked on third down, with 28 seconds left in the half, and then call timeout before punting the ball back to KC, which has time to run two plays and then kick a 60yd FG.

WHY ARE YOU CALLING TIMEOUT?!?!?!?!

ETA: Only explanation that makes sense is that ESPN wrongly recorded a KC timeout as being taken by Denver.

Nope, ESPN had it right. Payton called the TO

Payton now admits he thought it was 3rd down.

Sean Payton says he made a "boneheaded mistake" calling timeout forgetting what down it was

Broncos coach Sean Payton acknowledged making a big game management mistake late in the first half of Thursday night's loss to the Chiefs.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[SayWhat?]

It doesn’t at all matter because they were playing the Broncos, but what in the hell was that fake-punt-tush-push-call by the Chiefs on 4th and 2?? If you really want to go for it, you have Patrick Mahomes standing there on the sidelines. Just use that guy.

Had to be a “awww, F it, we’re playing the Broncos so let’s have a little fun” call by Reid. Because that was beyond terrible.

 

[Snoopy]

Daboll running the ball with no timeouts left.

 

[Tau837]

WTF did the Giants just do, running the ball at the goal line with 14 seconds left and no timeouts? It was a given they wouldn't be able to get another play off.

 

[pecorino]

My goodness. NYG coach watches the clock run from 40 seconds down to 27 before deciding to call the timeout. They have first and goal at the one with 14 seconds and zero timeouts and they call a running play. Worse yet, being up six, a field goal gets them up two scores. Absolutely brutal coaching.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Was doing something else with the game on mute, but can someone explain what the hell is going on here?

3rd & 5 at DEN 44( 0:28 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson sacked at DEN 37 for -7 yards (C.Jones).

Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:22.

(0:22 - 2nd) R.Dixon punts 29 yards to KC 34, Center-M.Fraboni, downed by DEN-R.Moss. PENALTY on DEN-R.Moss, Illegal Touch Kick, 5 yards, enforced at KC 34.(0:22 - 2nd)

Broncos get sacked on third down, with 28 seconds left in the half, and then call timeout before punting the ball back to KC, which has time to run two plays and then kick a 60yd FG.

WHY ARE YOU CALLING TIMEOUT?!?!?!?!

ETA: Only explanation that makes sense is that ESPN wrongly recorded a KC timeout as being taken by Denver.

Nope, ESPN had it right. Payton called the TO

Payton now admits he thought it was 3rd down.

Sean Payton says he made a "boneheaded mistake" calling timeout forgetting what down it was

Broncos coach Sean Payton acknowledged making a big game management mistake late in the first half of Thursday night's loss to the Chiefs.

sports.yahoo.com

he said the quiet part out loud

 

[BobbyLayne]

WTF did the Giants just do, running the ball at the goal line with 14 seconds left and no timeouts? It was a given they wouldn't be able to get another play off.

beyond stupid