bro1ncos
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Appreciate the feedback. A lot of it very accurate.
I will do a write up when I have a little time.
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I will do a write up when I have a little time.
bro1ncos
IBL Representative
Coker pick added
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
@Mr. Irrelevant otc
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
wow... those last 5 picks all have great upside and was hoping any of them would fall
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It was pretty easy to follow your logic even if my list of players isn't in the same order or ranked exactly as yours, still enjoyed watching you take that turn each time
I will probably discuss -Oz- and Old Milwaukee next, all three of you were taking guys off my list before it swung back to me
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If Adonai Mitchell is on that list, he was a 2nd round pick a year ago and the first week or two of the season it appeared as if he would be heavily involved his rookie season
He was at Georigia and then ended up at Texas where he racked up 55/850/11 TDs and had scouts salivating at what he could become
Pick #52 overall and IMHO the Wide Receivers ahead of him currently are not locks to hold those positions all year
Depends on what happens to the Colts, Pierce and Pittman are ahead of him on the outside right now.
27 targets early in the season, was starting or took the first snaps of games in 4 of his first 7 as a pro athlete
Only caught 10 of those 27 targets but look at how bad ARich is, he's likely to lose his job to Daniel Jones at some point.
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Damn you. Get your hands off my Coke. I didn’t think Coker would go this early.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’ve been looking at him and then waiting for a few rounds.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1.02/2.15 Barkley and Cook, nothing wrong with that tandem as 1 and 2 in a 16-team format.
378 touches, 2,250+ yds and you feel Barkley could make a run at Shaun Alexander '05 or LT '06?
3.02 - JSN is not WR15 on my list., I do see his 100/1100 performance last season, dude gets 10 yds a catch, he relies on volume and he has a new QB he has to develop chemistry with.
I would have much preferred D.Adams who went a little later in the round.
4.15 - D.Njoku TE, I already covered this pick and thought it was a slight head scratcher but I also think he is prime for a trade Post June 1st
5.02 Baker Mayfield, QB4 last year and they added a nice weapon in the 1st round, strong OL, good running game, nothing wrong with him as your QB1
I a lso would not assume he's QB4 all over again, Top 10 is a decent outlook.
6.15 and 7.02 Myers from LVR and Pickens who was traded to Dallas
Not my favorite WRs but after these picks you have 3 WRs , 2RBs and an anchor at TE and QB
Myers 87/1,000/4, he was a poor man's Jerry Jeudy last year, similar stats except in the yards/yds per catch.
Pickens is joining the circus in Dallas, should do alright as long as Dak stays healthy and Pickens doesn't get himself in trouble
Not a very strong willed Head Coach to keep him in line at Dallas
Baker/Stafford is a nice 1-2 at QB I believe, lot of great WRs for Baker and Matt to throw darts at
Pittman/Mooney/Kirk in best ball as reserves/flex spots, solid picks in the WR 50-60 pool
Dissly/Kmet, not sure I like the upside but you need bodies at a certain point and they were later round picks.
Couple lottery tickets at RB late including some rookie for the 49'ers, that's usually a good place to draw from
Overall it's a solid team and you did well after the big names were off the board
Good job
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
| Burrow, Joe CIN QB |
| Ward, Cam TEN QB (R) |
| Allgeier, Tyler ATL RB |
| Ekeler, Austin WAS RB |
| Hunter, Jarquez LAR RB (R) |
| Judkins, Quinshon CLE RB (R) |
| Pollard, Tony TEN RB |
| Burden, Luther CHI WR (R) |
| Collins, Nico HOU WR |
| Flowers, Zay BAL WR (Q) |
| Pearsall, Ricky SFO WR |
| Shaheed, Rashid NOS WR (Q) |
| Wilson, Roman PIT WR |
| Ferguson, Terrance LAR TE (R) |
| Johnson, Juwan NOS TE |
| McBride, Trey ARI TE |
| Lions, Detroit DET Def |
| Titans, Tennessee TEN Def |
1.15 TE Trey McBride - Seems like a lock to have another really strong season, Top 3 is expected
2.02 WR Nico Collins - He battled injuries last season but always looks like a stud at WR and can go off for huge weeks, perfect for this format
3.15 QB Joe Burrow - Stud QB, top 5 but that OL is always an issue. Missed half of 2 seasons already and only been in the league a total of 4.
4.02 WR Zay Flowers - Rather than getting an anchor at RB you opted to push off until Pick #79 in a 16-team league, that might be a problem.
Flowers is good and all but is he a top line WR you just couldn't pass up and ignore addressing RB on this turn? We will see
5.15 RB Q.Judkins - Yes there is upside because he is a rookie but don't overlook Sampson, the Browns drafted 2 of them. I wouldn't expect Top 20 numbers but he has an outside shot
6.02 RB Tony Pollard - I like his upside better than Judkins, had him on my draft list for the 6th, maybe I should have taken him in the 5th
Titans didn't draft anyone that would unseat him, new QB, if he stays healthy he will far surpass this draft spot, think you got very lucky here
7.15 Rashid Shaheed - good format for him, coming off an injury? Who is the QB in New Orleans?
8.02 Ricky Pearsall -
you SOB, you picked my pocket AGAIN on this turn, you must have looked over my cheatsheets. i so wanted him as WR3 on my team.Pushed me into taking Mathew Golden, some might actually like his upside better but I wanted to pair him with Purdy.
9.15 RB A.Ekeler - Good job, Washington didn't draft a RB that is going to push Ekeler or BRob out the door any time soon, he's handy in PPR formats
10.02 QB Cam Ward - Meh, he's a QB 2 behind Burrow and that's about it. Liekly will struggle to crack Top 20-25 most weeks
11.15 Detroit Lions - Good Defense to grab, I thought about them
12.02 TE Johnson - Who?
13.15 RB Allgheier - Always gets a few touches
14.02 WR Burden III - Rookie in a crowded WR room
15.15 WR R.WIlson - Meh
16.02 RB Hunter (R) - I know who he is, potential upside here for a late dart to throw at RB
Decent Draft, likely not the first off the island however your RBs eventually will rear their ugly heads.
Studs at QB, WR1 and TE, that's 3 strong anchors most would want on their team
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Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
I attribute some of this to him being ranked (if you guys are looking at some rankings somewhere) higher based on how last year ended....but with the rook, Thielan, Legette, etc....IMO his ranking is off a little...
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
just wanted to give a high five to @Ministry of Pain for some awesome feedback....nice to have an "outsider" lately....so to speak in these....come in and give some very insightful feedback....the regulars in here are kind of rinse and repeat in a lot aof ways as we all have our styles and almost know each other too well to a certain extent....it takes some unnecessary effort to critique other team and draft strategies, so it ia always nice to get a different perspective as we sometimes get stuck in our ways...so thats part of the reason I also like having a stud like Bob Harris in these if he could bless us with some early season feedback.....
-OZ-
Footballguy
It has a lot to do with having him on my main dynasty team and watching him last year. But you’re right, and the reason I didn’t pull the trigger was competition.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
most recent turn took two seconds rounders from the 2024 draft
ertz is old and maybe sinmot pops if he sits here and there
I really liked jalynn Polk as a prospect coming into last draft
ertz is old and maybe sinmot pops if he sits here and there
I really liked jalynn Polk as a prospect coming into last draft
Biabreakable
Footballguy
FWIW I had Mitchell first in my predraft list last I set it but he didn't make it to me.
No big loss. He got manhandled by defensive backs didn't convert any contested catches last season. He had the most drops on the team even though he didn't have the most targets. Catch rate below 50% when other WR on the team better than that.
Could he get stronger and improve? Sure!
But right now he looks like Christine Michael at WR.
What do you think @JohnnyU?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't think I could have explained Mitchell better than you just did. Yes, he can improve, but he looked mechanically lost at times. With Warren coming to town, who I think at the very worse will command 2nd most targets, that doesn't bode well for Mitchell. I suspect Pittman will suffer as well, given the Colts QBs can only make two receivers relevant, if that.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Daniels
Jacobs, Taylor
DvSmith, Deebo, JReed
Engram
Foundation in place, time to work on the FLEX...
8.06: Dak Prescott, QB Cowboys - TE run in the late 6th/early 7th surprised me a bit, and left me with few targets for a flex-worthy TE that could put up TE1 #'s...actually, only one, and a Nittany Lion, at that, Brenton Strange. One of my biggest 'waffles' was 7.11 JReed vs Strange. In retrospect, I think I probably could have landed JReed at 8.06 had I taken Strange at 7.11...but then I would've been left with a hole at WR3, and not been able to get ahead of the QB run that I had an eerie feeling was coming...with Strange off the board at the turn
mad: bro1ncos), I'm glad I followed my instincts. I might also wind up being glad Fields went at 8.05, because I would have been sorely tempted to take him here. I've invested in redraft Dak for most of his career, and in a League that doesn't punish for mistakes, and on a Team with a below-average RB stable, and his low ADP, I was in on Dak as a QB2 candidate prior to to the Pickens acquistion. I'd been anticipating Jerry making a splash play at WR since they didn't address in the Draft, one way or another. Didn't expect it to be one with Pickens potential ceiling. Having invested heavily in QB1 (Daniels/Rd3), it was important for me to also land an upper-tier QB2, as I need that position to be among the League leaders every week. If Daniels hiccups, or misses time, it feels like I couldn't have done any better from the remaining QB pool.
9.11: Najee Harris, RB Chargers - What a QB run it was! Unfortunately, one of the few non-QB taken was my next target, Hunter Henry, as I reorganized my TE rankings post-Strange, and realized I'd overlooked Henry at 1st pass. Hadn't addressed RB since doubling up to start the Draft, and the pickings were significantly thinned out. Much the same way that Kaleb Johnson feels like an ideal RB for the Steelers, I'm pretty confident Najee landed in a solid spot with the Chargers, even with the addition of Omarion Hampton. Thought hard about Rhamondre here, but things seem much less fluid with the Chargers. We're in that split backfield RB draft territory now. Few people remember a few years ago Najee going for 1200/7, 74/467/3...do I think he's going to do that? Of course not. I do think Najee needed a change of scenery and the run-heavy offense is going to yeild a 50/50 split between the 2 RB, with Herbert providing much more of a threat to keep defenses from overplaying the run, than what the Steelers ran the last couple of years. I also think Najee has more to offer as a dual threat RB than he's been allowed to show while the Steelers QB situation has been in flux. Should yield solid stats, but not an upside/ceiling play, which I'd prefer to get out of my flex spots.
10.06: Rashod Batemen, WR Ravens - I think Bateman is a pretty solid Best Ball Flex WR, that fits well with the 'amoeba-WR' direction this squad seems to be heading in, where the whole is going to need to be greateer than the sum of it's parts (DvSmith/Deebo/JReed/Bateman). Going to keep looking for pieces that can offer 'spike' games, and hope they come on enough alternate weeks to keep me going. Even with the addition of an old DHop, I think Bateman can improve a little on last years' #'s 45/756/9, with the continued improvement of Lamar, and if I can get that out of a flex WR (WR54 - no way he's finishing that low, barring injury), I'm doing ok. Still, 2 uninspiring picks in a row (Najee/Bateman). Pondered Otton here, who Bob Harris took with the next pick.
11.11: Theo Johnson, TE Giants - was the next TE on my list after Otton, and after Otton was taken at 10.07, not another TE off the Board til it came back to me, so...not much to say, except that he's an athletic TE, has a secure role, and was a winner coming out of the NFL Draft, as the Giants did nothing to bolster either their WR or TE rooms, and threaten his touches. There's an established formula for him to be a solid FF TE1, if you, like me, believe the Giants WR corps, after Nabors, to be pedestrian. God knows the QB play ought to be better, and the game scripts work in his favor. I probably should have had him ahead of Otton, and seen him in the same light as Strange and Henry, and if that proves true, I did pretty well here. Little more optimistic about my BB Bench after this one.
12.06: Ray Davis, RB Bills - Thought I'd land Guerendo here, but it was not to be. During Draft Season 2024, I was not a Ray Davis guy, and I followed through by grabbing a ton of James Cook...but in the process of watching Cook last year, I saw plenty of Ray Davis. I'm still not enthused by him, but I'm not worried about Ty Johnson, or the collection of WR/TE's doing anything to inhibit his ascention into a reliable piece of the Josh Allen Offense...and boy, oh boy, if Cook gets banged up. There's potential for a boatload of garbage-time stats here, with a few spikes to crack my flex here and there, but not an ideal RB4, by my standards, but maybe a Najee/RDavis combo fills in a blank or two, at various times. Back to 'blah' mode, after the Theo pick raised my spirits. I really thought hard about going with another Bill here (Josh Palmer), largely because I'd read what Bob Harris had to say about him. I didn't think Bob would take him this early, because he's off most people's radar, but he did, with the very next pick after I passed. That makes 2 in a row (Otton in Rd10). I also pondered Justice Hill very hard, here, but thought he'd last further. Unfortunately, he went at 13.07.
13.11: D/ST Cowboys - Coudn't pass on a D/ST here, given how the Draft was flowing, there were still a few premium caliber ones remaining, and I took the one that I felt had the most upside, available at a discount due to 2024. I had no intention to go 'solo' at this time; will address that later
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14.06: Michael Wilson, WR Cardinals - I'm just going to go ahead and say it: Mr. Irrelevant taking Jayden Higgins at 14.05 really pissed me off.
As I said above, I felt compelled to take a D/St at 13.11. I had my eye on a few. Packers weren't among them, and I didn't anticipate Old Milwaukee taking them, at least not that early, although the username checks out
,which might have pushed the Cowboys, Chiefs or Bears (the 3 I was considering at 13.11) down to me at 14.06. Higgins was who I passed on, and who I absolutely coveted as the missing dynamic piece to my 'amoeba' WR corps. Instead, I get another 'blah' guy, but one who is a locked in starting WR, with no threat to his job, snaps and targets, in an offense that could/should improve. The Bateman/Wilson dynamic is somewhat similar to that of Najee/RDavis. 'Blah' is probably not a good thing. I sure would rather have Jayden Higgens, Mr. I.
Well, that's another 7 picks.
QB: Jayden Daniels, Dak Prescott
RB: Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor, Najee Harris, Ray Davis
WR: Devonta Smith, Deebo Samuel, Jayden Reed, Rashod Bateman, Michael Wilson
TE: Evan Engram, Theo Johnson
D/ST: Cowboys
More to follow...
Jacobs, Taylor
DvSmith, Deebo, JReed
Engram
Foundation in place, time to work on the FLEX...
8.06: Dak Prescott, QB Cowboys - TE run in the late 6th/early 7th surprised me a bit, and left me with few targets for a flex-worthy TE that could put up TE1 #'s...actually, only one, and a Nittany Lion, at that, Brenton Strange. One of my biggest 'waffles' was 7.11 JReed vs Strange. In retrospect, I think I probably could have landed JReed at 8.06 had I taken Strange at 7.11...but then I would've been left with a hole at WR3, and not been able to get ahead of the QB run that I had an eerie feeling was coming...with Strange off the board at the turn
mad: bro1ncos), I'm glad I followed my instincts. I might also wind up being glad Fields went at 8.05, because I would have been sorely tempted to take him here. I've invested in redraft Dak for most of his career, and in a League that doesn't punish for mistakes, and on a Team with a below-average RB stable, and his low ADP, I was in on Dak as a QB2 candidate prior to to the Pickens acquistion. I'd been anticipating Jerry making a splash play at WR since they didn't address in the Draft, one way or another. Didn't expect it to be one with Pickens potential ceiling. Having invested heavily in QB1 (Daniels/Rd3), it was important for me to also land an upper-tier QB2, as I need that position to be among the League leaders every week. If Daniels hiccups, or misses time, it feels like I couldn't have done any better from the remaining QB pool.9.11: Najee Harris, RB Chargers - What a QB run it was! Unfortunately, one of the few non-QB taken was my next target, Hunter Henry, as I reorganized my TE rankings post-Strange, and realized I'd overlooked Henry at 1st pass. Hadn't addressed RB since doubling up to start the Draft, and the pickings were significantly thinned out. Much the same way that Kaleb Johnson feels like an ideal RB for the Steelers, I'm pretty confident Najee landed in a solid spot with the Chargers, even with the addition of Omarion Hampton. Thought hard about Rhamondre here, but things seem much less fluid with the Chargers. We're in that split backfield RB draft territory now. Few people remember a few years ago Najee going for 1200/7, 74/467/3...do I think he's going to do that? Of course not. I do think Najee needed a change of scenery and the run-heavy offense is going to yeild a 50/50 split between the 2 RB, with Herbert providing much more of a threat to keep defenses from overplaying the run, than what the Steelers ran the last couple of years. I also think Najee has more to offer as a dual threat RB than he's been allowed to show while the Steelers QB situation has been in flux. Should yield solid stats, but not an upside/ceiling play, which I'd prefer to get out of my flex spots.
10.06: Rashod Batemen, WR Ravens - I think Bateman is a pretty solid Best Ball Flex WR, that fits well with the 'amoeba-WR' direction this squad seems to be heading in, where the whole is going to need to be greateer than the sum of it's parts (DvSmith/Deebo/JReed/Bateman). Going to keep looking for pieces that can offer 'spike' games, and hope they come on enough alternate weeks to keep me going. Even with the addition of an old DHop, I think Bateman can improve a little on last years' #'s 45/756/9, with the continued improvement of Lamar, and if I can get that out of a flex WR (WR54 - no way he's finishing that low, barring injury), I'm doing ok. Still, 2 uninspiring picks in a row (Najee/Bateman). Pondered Otton here, who Bob Harris took with the next pick.
11.11: Theo Johnson, TE Giants - was the next TE on my list after Otton, and after Otton was taken at 10.07, not another TE off the Board til it came back to me, so...not much to say, except that he's an athletic TE, has a secure role, and was a winner coming out of the NFL Draft, as the Giants did nothing to bolster either their WR or TE rooms, and threaten his touches. There's an established formula for him to be a solid FF TE1, if you, like me, believe the Giants WR corps, after Nabors, to be pedestrian. God knows the QB play ought to be better, and the game scripts work in his favor. I probably should have had him ahead of Otton, and seen him in the same light as Strange and Henry, and if that proves true, I did pretty well here. Little more optimistic about my BB Bench after this one.
12.06: Ray Davis, RB Bills - Thought I'd land Guerendo here, but it was not to be. During Draft Season 2024, I was not a Ray Davis guy, and I followed through by grabbing a ton of James Cook...but in the process of watching Cook last year, I saw plenty of Ray Davis. I'm still not enthused by him, but I'm not worried about Ty Johnson, or the collection of WR/TE's doing anything to inhibit his ascention into a reliable piece of the Josh Allen Offense...and boy, oh boy, if Cook gets banged up. There's potential for a boatload of garbage-time stats here, with a few spikes to crack my flex here and there, but not an ideal RB4, by my standards, but maybe a Najee/RDavis combo fills in a blank or two, at various times. Back to 'blah' mode, after the Theo pick raised my spirits. I really thought hard about going with another Bill here (Josh Palmer), largely because I'd read what Bob Harris had to say about him. I didn't think Bob would take him this early, because he's off most people's radar, but he did, with the very next pick after I passed. That makes 2 in a row (Otton in Rd10). I also pondered Justice Hill very hard, here, but thought he'd last further. Unfortunately, he went at 13.07.
13.11: D/ST Cowboys - Coudn't pass on a D/ST here, given how the Draft was flowing, there were still a few premium caliber ones remaining, and I took the one that I felt had the most upside, available at a discount due to 2024. I had no intention to go 'solo' at this time; will address that later
.14.06: Michael Wilson, WR Cardinals - I'm just going to go ahead and say it: Mr. Irrelevant taking Jayden Higgins at 14.05 really pissed me off.
As I said above, I felt compelled to take a D/St at 13.11. I had my eye on a few. Packers weren't among them, and I didn't anticipate Old Milwaukee taking them, at least not that early, although the username checks out
,which might have pushed the Cowboys, Chiefs or Bears (the 3 I was considering at 13.11) down to me at 14.06. Higgins was who I passed on, and who I absolutely coveted as the missing dynamic piece to my 'amoeba' WR corps. Instead, I get another 'blah' guy, but one who is a locked in starting WR, with no threat to his job, snaps and targets, in an offense that could/should improve. The Bateman/Wilson dynamic is somewhat similar to that of Najee/RDavis. 'Blah' is probably not a good thing. I sure would rather have Jayden Higgens, Mr. I.Well, that's another 7 picks.
QB: Jayden Daniels, Dak Prescott
RB: Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor, Najee Harris, Ray Davis
WR: Devonta Smith, Deebo Samuel, Jayden Reed, Rashod Bateman, Michael Wilson
TE: Evan Engram, Theo Johnson
D/ST: Cowboys
More to follow...
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
The only survivor I’ve won here in the past 8ish years was with the one team that I swore leaving the draft was too boring without a high enough ceiling. As you will see, I have learned absolutely nothing from that experience.
1.12 - De’Von Achane MIA RB7 (NFFC ADP RB5): After 4 RBs went right at the start I figured I’d be choosing between Puka / Nabers / Lamb or a top TE ... pleasantly surprised Achane fell to 12. Finished RB5 last year despite six games of absolute amateur hour at QB. His receiving upside (78 grabs last year) puts him firmly ahead of Henry or Taylor for me in a PPR. Also considered: McBride.
2.05 - Drake London ATL WR10 (ADP WR9): The next three guys on my WR board (McLaurin, Brown, Evans) are all big-time TD regression candidates. London played his best ball last year in his few games with Penix so the arrow should be pointing up for '25. Don't think London is a screaming value here but with 16 teams I didn’t want to box myself in with an RB-RB start, and I couldn't justify a QB or a non-Brock/Trey TE at 17 overall. Also considered: both Browns (A.J. and Chase).
3.12 - Tee Higgins CIN WR19 (ADP WR14): Welp, that sucks. I pre-drafted Tee assuming, with Daniels and Hurts still on the board and only four teams behind me, I’d have a good shot at stacking him with Burrow on the comeback. Of course Nittany at the pick ahead of mine didn’t have a QB yet either ... oops. Without the predraft I’d have taken Hurts here and aimed for Devonta in the 4th instead. Also considered: Hurts, LaPorta.
4.05 - T.J. Hockenson MIN TE5 (ADP TE5): As a consolation prize I was able to jump on the last potentially elite TE instead - this is not hyperbole, he was TE1 by ppg in ’23. I love targeting guys in their second year back after knee injury. Also considered: none.
5.12 - Tetairoa McMillan (R) CAR WR31 (ADP WR30): I don’t watch enough CFB to tell you whether he was a reach at #8 overall, but I can pretty safely predict Dave Canales is gonna find ways to force-feed his X receiver. Also considered: Kyler, Pollard, Judkins.
6.05 - Justin Herbert LAC QB12 (ADP QB12): Maybe this guy is just destined to be the 2020s’ Russell Wilson ... but I’m hoping that although Harbaugh may be stubborn, he’s not stupid. You’ve got a top-5 QB talent at your disposal, let him cook! Also considered: Tracy, B-Rob, Odunze.
7.12 - Brian Robinson WAS RB30 (ADP RB32): He and Tracy were on my shortlist at 6.05 - in no world did I expect the 20 picks before mine to not to include a single RB! Probably the last guy on the board who’s a favorite to open the season as lead back. Also considered: Tracy, Pearsall, Downs.
8.05 - Justin Fields NYJ QB14 (ADP QB17): Moonshot time, baby! Seems wrong to be taking maybe the NFL's 40th-best passer at QB14, but with his fantasy cheat code all I need him to do is be juuust good enough with his arm to not get benched. I realize that even this very low bar might be asking too much of him but hey, that's why he's my QB2. Also considered: Downs, Aiyuk, Dak.
9.12 - Josh Downs IND WR52 (ADP WR46): You guys OK? Blink twice if you’re being held against your will. I’m just wondering because this was the second time my backup option from the prior round fell allllll the way back to me 22 picks later. Also considered: none.
10.05 - Jordan Mason MIN RB42 (ADP RB38): Didn’t really like anything on the board here. The TE cupboard is bare, the RBs are backups or timeshare guys, and you could put the next 20 WRs into a hat. Settled on Mason, who was a top-5 fantasy producer as a CMC sub and now steps in behind an equally good OL and a 30-year-old RB1. Strongly considered Skattebo, but as the parent of a Boilermaker I can't make myself give up on Tracy that quickly.
11.12 - Ja’Tavion Sanders CAR TE28 (ADP TE32): Was hoping to grab one of Kirk, Cooper, Pierce, or Tillman but you guys are too sharp for that. I thought about Juwan, but a Carr-less Saints offense has plane-crash potential. Plus, in a weird way I feel Sanders provides some “big, raw receiving target for Bryce Young” insurance should my Tet McMillan pick not pan out. Also considered: J. Johnson.
12.05 - Bayshal Tuten (R) JAC RB50 (ADP RB40): My favorite mid-round pick by far. The new Jags regime has no ties to either ETN (who’s verging on JAGhood anyway) or Bigsby (who's just a very good role player), while in most other RB draft classes Tuten’s skillset would've made him an easy Day 2 pick. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s the week 1 starter, and either way he has the speed and explosiveness to make him a SOD in best-ball. Also considered: none.
13.12 – Chiefs DST13 / 17.12 - Saints DST29
They’re defenses. I’m just glad I managed to snag two.
14.05 - Jayden Higgins (R) HOU WR73 (ADP WR56) / 18.05 - Jaylin Noel (R) HOU WR92 (ADP WR76)
99% of the time in best-ball you draft rookies for ceiling, so how can you do that and still lock in some floor? Maybe the answer is “also get another young guy from the same team, to give yourself two bites at the same apple”. At least, I hope that’s the answer because I’ve already done it twice this draft. In this format it either makes a ton of sense or absolutely zero sense and I’m still not sure which.
15.12 - Elijah Arroyo (R) SEA TE39 (ADP TE36): A huge, freakishly jacked pass-catcher with deceptive speed and soft hands but inconsistent mechanics? Put it away, honey, we already have a D.K. Metcalf at home. (listens) What do you mean, Dad traded him away? Seriously? *sigh* OK, fine, but just this once, you hear me?
16.05 - Jaylen Wright MIA RB67 (ADP RB55): Normally roster spots are too valuable in these survivors to waste one on a handcuff. But I figure if there’s ever a time to make an exception it’s in a draft with 22 rounds and no kickers.
19.12 - Keaton Mitchell BAL RB79 (ADP RB84): An unwise man once told me that he loves targeting guys in their second year back from knee injuries. It says a lot that the Ravens - with just a 31-year-old Henry, Justice Hill, and Mitchell in the RB room - were fine with standing pat all offseason.
20.05 - Jalen Royals KCC (R) WR108 (ADP WR79): You know what this team of mine needs? Another rookie. And another guy whose first name starts with “J” and ends with “N”.
I'll update later on with my four (now 2) remaining picks, but at this stage they're all dart throws and I don't see any of them moving the needle anyway. Comments and thoughts welcomed.
1.12 - De’Von Achane MIA RB7 (NFFC ADP RB5): After 4 RBs went right at the start I figured I’d be choosing between Puka / Nabers / Lamb or a top TE ... pleasantly surprised Achane fell to 12. Finished RB5 last year despite six games of absolute amateur hour at QB. His receiving upside (78 grabs last year) puts him firmly ahead of Henry or Taylor for me in a PPR. Also considered: McBride.
2.05 - Drake London ATL WR10 (ADP WR9): The next three guys on my WR board (McLaurin, Brown, Evans) are all big-time TD regression candidates. London played his best ball last year in his few games with Penix so the arrow should be pointing up for '25. Don't think London is a screaming value here but with 16 teams I didn’t want to box myself in with an RB-RB start, and I couldn't justify a QB or a non-Brock/Trey TE at 17 overall. Also considered: both Browns (A.J. and Chase).
3.12 - Tee Higgins CIN WR19 (ADP WR14): Welp, that sucks. I pre-drafted Tee assuming, with Daniels and Hurts still on the board and only four teams behind me, I’d have a good shot at stacking him with Burrow on the comeback. Of course Nittany at the pick ahead of mine didn’t have a QB yet either ... oops. Without the predraft I’d have taken Hurts here and aimed for Devonta in the 4th instead. Also considered: Hurts, LaPorta.
4.05 - T.J. Hockenson MIN TE5 (ADP TE5): As a consolation prize I was able to jump on the last potentially elite TE instead - this is not hyperbole, he was TE1 by ppg in ’23. I love targeting guys in their second year back after knee injury. Also considered: none.
5.12 - Tetairoa McMillan (R) CAR WR31 (ADP WR30): I don’t watch enough CFB to tell you whether he was a reach at #8 overall, but I can pretty safely predict Dave Canales is gonna find ways to force-feed his X receiver. Also considered: Kyler, Pollard, Judkins.
6.05 - Justin Herbert LAC QB12 (ADP QB12): Maybe this guy is just destined to be the 2020s’ Russell Wilson ... but I’m hoping that although Harbaugh may be stubborn, he’s not stupid. You’ve got a top-5 QB talent at your disposal, let him cook! Also considered: Tracy, B-Rob, Odunze.
7.12 - Brian Robinson WAS RB30 (ADP RB32): He and Tracy were on my shortlist at 6.05 - in no world did I expect the 20 picks before mine to not to include a single RB! Probably the last guy on the board who’s a favorite to open the season as lead back. Also considered: Tracy, Pearsall, Downs.
8.05 - Justin Fields NYJ QB14 (ADP QB17): Moonshot time, baby! Seems wrong to be taking maybe the NFL's 40th-best passer at QB14, but with his fantasy cheat code all I need him to do is be juuust good enough with his arm to not get benched. I realize that even this very low bar might be asking too much of him but hey, that's why he's my QB2. Also considered: Downs, Aiyuk, Dak.
9.12 - Josh Downs IND WR52 (ADP WR46): You guys OK? Blink twice if you’re being held against your will. I’m just wondering because this was the second time my backup option from the prior round fell allllll the way back to me 22 picks later. Also considered: none.
10.05 - Jordan Mason MIN RB42 (ADP RB38): Didn’t really like anything on the board here. The TE cupboard is bare, the RBs are backups or timeshare guys, and you could put the next 20 WRs into a hat. Settled on Mason, who was a top-5 fantasy producer as a CMC sub and now steps in behind an equally good OL and a 30-year-old RB1. Strongly considered Skattebo, but as the parent of a Boilermaker I can't make myself give up on Tracy that quickly.
11.12 - Ja’Tavion Sanders CAR TE28 (ADP TE32): Was hoping to grab one of Kirk, Cooper, Pierce, or Tillman but you guys are too sharp for that. I thought about Juwan, but a Carr-less Saints offense has plane-crash potential. Plus, in a weird way I feel Sanders provides some “big, raw receiving target for Bryce Young” insurance should my Tet McMillan pick not pan out. Also considered: J. Johnson.
12.05 - Bayshal Tuten (R) JAC RB50 (ADP RB40): My favorite mid-round pick by far. The new Jags regime has no ties to either ETN (who’s verging on JAGhood anyway) or Bigsby (who's just a very good role player), while in most other RB draft classes Tuten’s skillset would've made him an easy Day 2 pick. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s the week 1 starter, and either way he has the speed and explosiveness to make him a SOD in best-ball. Also considered: none.
13.12 – Chiefs DST13 / 17.12 - Saints DST29
They’re defenses. I’m just glad I managed to snag two.
14.05 - Jayden Higgins (R) HOU WR73 (ADP WR56) / 18.05 - Jaylin Noel (R) HOU WR92 (ADP WR76)
99% of the time in best-ball you draft rookies for ceiling, so how can you do that and still lock in some floor? Maybe the answer is “also get another young guy from the same team, to give yourself two bites at the same apple”. At least, I hope that’s the answer because I’ve already done it twice this draft. In this format it either makes a ton of sense or absolutely zero sense and I’m still not sure which.
15.12 - Elijah Arroyo (R) SEA TE39 (ADP TE36): A huge, freakishly jacked pass-catcher with deceptive speed and soft hands but inconsistent mechanics? Put it away, honey, we already have a D.K. Metcalf at home. (listens) What do you mean, Dad traded him away? Seriously? *sigh* OK, fine, but just this once, you hear me?
16.05 - Jaylen Wright MIA RB67 (ADP RB55): Normally roster spots are too valuable in these survivors to waste one on a handcuff. But I figure if there’s ever a time to make an exception it’s in a draft with 22 rounds and no kickers.
19.12 - Keaton Mitchell BAL RB79 (ADP RB84): An unwise man once told me that he loves targeting guys in their second year back from knee injuries. It says a lot that the Ravens - with just a 31-year-old Henry, Justice Hill, and Mitchell in the RB room - were fine with standing pat all offseason.
20.05 - Jalen Royals KCC (R) WR108 (ADP WR79): You know what this team of mine needs? Another rookie. And another guy whose first name starts with “J” and ends with “N”.
I'll update later on with my four (now 2) remaining picks, but at this stage they're all dart throws and I don't see any of them moving the needle anyway. Comments and thoughts welcomed.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I appreciate this. There are things you describe considering here where I'm like oh yeah I should have thought of that too.
I guess it's like that drafting in May.
In regards to Hockenson you should be aware that his best season was in part because of Jefferson being out with injury.
To his credit he took over Jeffersons role as primary receiver and was running routes usually done by him. But with Jefferson healthy that goes away somewhat.
That said McCarthy did a lot of his damage throwing to Loveland in college and I do think McCarthy is better for Hockenson than Darnold was and he is further recovered from the injury as you mention.
As far as Mason I expect a 60/40 type of timeshare for him with Jones. I also think the Vikings may run the ball more on a per game basis this season than they have with McConnell so far. So the pie may be a bit bigger.
Eta - I wonder where Mike Clay is on that.
Clay has the Vikings with 420 rushing attempts. The 3 year average with McConnell 418.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Bateman scored 9 TD last season? Wow.Daniels
Jacobs, Taylor
DvSmith, Deebo, JReed
Engram
Foundation in place, time to work on the FLEX...
8.06: Dak Prescott, QB Cowboys - TE run in the late 6th/early 7th surprised me a bit, and left me with few targets for a flex-worthy TE that could put up TE1 #'s...actually, only one, and a Nittany Lion, at that, Brenton Strange. One of my biggest 'waffles' was 7.11 JReed vs Strange. In retrospect, I think I probably could have landed JReed at 8.06 had I taken Strange at 7.11...but then I would've been left with a hole at WR3, and not been able to get ahead of the QB run that I had an eerie feeling was coming...with Strange off the board at the turn
9.11: Najee Harris, RB Chargers - What a QB run it was! Unfortunately, one of the few non-QB taken was my next target, Hunter Henry, as I reorganized my TE rankings post-Strange, and realized I'd overlooked Henry at 1st pass. Hadn't addressed RB since doubling up to start the Draft, and the pickings were significantly thinned out. Much the same way that Kaleb Johnson feels like an ideal RB for the Steelers, I'm pretty confident Najee landed in a solid spot with the Chargers, even with the addition of Omarion Hampton. Thought hard about Rhamondre here, but things seem much less fluid with the Chargers. We're in that split backfield RB draft territory now. Few people remember a few years ago Najee going for 1200/7, 74/467/3...do I think he's going to do that? Of course not. I do think Najee needed a change of scenery and the run-heavy offense is going to yeild a 50/50 split between the 2 RB, with Herbert providing much more of a threat to keep defenses from overplaying the run, than what the Steelers ran the last couple of years. I also think Najee has more to offer as a dual threat RB than he's been allowed to show while the Steelers QB situation has been in flux. Should yield solid stats, but not an upside/ceiling play, which I'd prefer to get out of my flex spots.
10.06: Rashod Batemen, WR Ravens - I think Bateman is a pretty solid Best Ball Flex WR, that fits well with the 'amoeba-WR' direction this squad seems to be heading in, where the whole is going to need to be greateer than the sum of it's parts (DvSmith/Deebo/JReed/Bateman). Going to keep looking for pieces that can offer 'spike' games, and hope they come on enough alternate weeks to keep me going. Even with the addition of an old DHop, I think Bateman can improve a little on last years' #'s 45/756/9, with the continued improvement of Lamar, and if I can get that out of a flex WR (WR54 - no way he's finishing that low, barring injury), I'm doing ok. Still, 2 uninspiring picks in a row (Najee/Bateman). Pondered Otton here, who Bob Harris took with the next pick.
11.11: Theo Johnson, TE Giants - was the next TE on my list after Otton, and after Otton was taken at 10.07, not another TE off the Board til it came back to me, so...not much to say, except that he's an athletic TE, has a secure role, and was a winner coming out of the NFL Draft, as the Giants did nothing to bolster either their WR or TE rooms, and threaten his touches. There's an established formula for him to be a solid FF TE1, if you, like me, believe the Giants WR corps, after Nabors, to be pedestrian. God knows the QB play ought to be better, and the game scripts work in his favor. I probably should have had him ahead of Otton, and seen him in the same light as Strange and Henry, and if that proves true, I did pretty well here. Little more optimistic about my BB Bench after this one.
12.06: Ray Davis, RB Bills - Thought I'd land Guerendo here, but it was not to be. During Draft Season 2024, I was not a Ray Davis guy, and I followed through by grabbing a ton of James Cook...but in the process of watching Cook last year, I saw plenty of Ray Davis. I'm still not enthused by him, but I'm not worried about Ty Johnson, or the collection of WR/TE's doing anything to inhibit his ascention into a reliable piece of the Josh Allen Offense...and boy, oh boy, if Cook gets banged up. There's potential for a boatload of garbage-time stats here, with a few spikes to crack my flex here and there, but not an ideal RB4, by my standards, but maybe a Najee/RDavis combo fills in a blank or two, at various times. Back to 'blah' mode, after the Theo pick raised my spirits. I really thought hard about going with another Bill here (Josh Palmer), largely because I'd read what Bob Harris had to say about him. I didn't think Bob would take him this early, because he's off most people's radar, but he did, with the very next pick after I passed. That makes 2 in a row (Otton in Rd10). I also pondered Justice Hill very hard, here, but thought he'd last further. Unfortunately, he went at 13.07.
13.11: D/ST Cowboys - Coudn't pass on a D/ST here, given how the Draft was flowing, there were still a few premium caliber ones remaining, and I took the one that I felt had the most upside, available at a discount due to 2024. I had no intention to go 'solo' at this time; will address that later
14.06: Michael Wilson, WR Cardinals - I'm just going to go ahead and say it: Mr. Irrelevant taking Jayden Higgins at 14.05 really pissed me off.
As I said above, I felt compelled to take a D/St at 13.11. I had my eye on a few. Packers weren't among them, and I didn't anticipate Old Milwaukee taking them, at least not that early, although the username checks out
Well, that's another 7 picks.
QB: Jayden Daniels, Dak Prescott
RB: Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor, Najee Harris, Ray Davis
WR: Devonta Smith, Deebo Samuel, Jayden Reed, Rashod Bateman, Michael Wilson
TE: Evan Engram, Theo Johnson
D/ST: Cowboys
More to follow...
I think its going to be fun seeing the 2 North conferences go at it and we will see what's what. The Ravens are for real I am not sure the Browns or Steelers are though.
I think the Packers defense should just quit. They suck. FTP.
I was considering Harris even though I already had Hampton. I'm certainly not a fan but he will score some points for sure.
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Footballguy
@Ministry of Pain otc
Went back to back nepo babies with Sanders and McCaffery. Admittedly sanders is only due to bye weeks - cincy and Tennessee share a late bye, conveniently one week after the browns bye. While I don’t expect much from sanders, he might get a chance after the bye.
Mccafery could be the 3 in Washington and is a player I had thought highly of last year. Not a stud but a solid bench player.
Went back to back nepo babies with Sanders and McCaffery. Admittedly sanders is only due to bye weeks - cincy and Tennessee share a late bye, conveniently one week after the browns bye. While I don’t expect much from sanders, he might get a chance after the bye.
Mccafery could be the 3 in Washington and is a player I had thought highly of last year. Not a stud but a solid bench player.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
with immunity gone and 3 weeks between eliminations....only having one DST isn't that big of a deal considering they hardly score here anyway...and you can't flex them if you have more then one...you are looking at one donut out of three weeks instead of that donut costing you advancing on one particular week...you have a chance to cover it elsewhere over three weeks...
nittanylion
Footballguy
Keaton Mitchell / Jalen Royals ... Very nice 19/20 turn, Mr. I. .... regretted passing on both at 19.11, and thought I'd at least land one of them at 20.06.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Do we not get points for sacks, interceptions and fumbles? Pick-6, Special Teams?
More defenses are more chances to score. Every week you see the top ones get double digits and then you have bottom 5 posting 3 pts or less, that can be a big swing
GMs have been adding lots of players in the last 6-8 rounds that likely will be hard pressed to total 250-500 yds of offense and rarely score TDs unless someone hits on a lottery ticket/long shot/splash rookie etc...
-Lot of 4 carries/16 yds or 1 catch for 15 yds, those are the box scores for many of the players in recent rounds if any stats at all.
I see your point, also understand why GMs took several defenses.
A Defense is going to be on the field for about half the game, you almost stand a better chance of popping a score vs a reserve that rides the bench the entire time on Sundays
Just my POV on it
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
My QBs, TEs and Defenses all seem to be on different Bye Weeks
-Bucky, Harvey and Kaleb Johnson all have different Bye Weeks
-My top 3 WRs all have different bye weeks but I will have a week of crossover like say my RB1 and WR2, maybe the Bucs and Browns have the same Bye week
I think I lucked out on that part of the equation, I have not looked at other teams so I'll rely on others to take a peak and share what they found
Some of my bigger bye weeks like say Brock Purdy, that won't happen until Week 14, that would seem like a good thing but who knows
Even since the Draft I am changing my opinion of San Fran, this was a free league and not costing anything but in a pay redraft league, I might look elsewhere
Just sharing some knee jerk reaction of my own since we drafted. This has been a crash course for 2025 and again I am enjoying all the learning
-Bucky, Harvey and Kaleb Johnson all have different Bye Weeks
-My top 3 WRs all have different bye weeks but I will have a week of crossover like say my RB1 and WR2, maybe the Bucs and Browns have the same Bye week
I think I lucked out on that part of the equation, I have not looked at other teams so I'll rely on others to take a peak and share what they found
Some of my bigger bye weeks like say Brock Purdy, that won't happen until Week 14, that would seem like a good thing but who knows
Even since the Draft I am changing my opinion of San Fran, this was a free league and not costing anything but in a pay redraft league, I might look elsewhere
Just sharing some knee jerk reaction of my own since we drafted. This has been a crash course for 2025 and again I am enjoying all the learning
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Footballguy
Defenses can't be flexed?Fantasy Football: 2024 Footballguys MBSL1
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@Biabreakable and @Ministry of Pain
Most of the scoring rules are provided at the MFL link above. However, we are reducing the TE to 1.5 ppr, adding an additional flex scorer (RB/WR/TE), and removing the PK position,
Everyone who joins will be linked to the new website shortly and have time to review scoring better
@BassNBrew - just a heads-up that you've got the league set up to use 3 flex spots instead of 2 and DSTs included as a flex position.
I don't really care whether we roll with 2 flexes or 3, but DSTs as a flex looks like it's definitely, probably, maybe there in error.
Code:Starting Lineup Setup Total Starters: 11 Number of Starting QBs: 1 Number of Starting RBs: 2-5 Number of Starting WRs: 3-6 Number of Starting TEs: 1-4 Number of Starting Defs: 1-4 Use "Best Ball" Lineup: Yes
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Footballguy
Yeah I don’t remember clarity on that. I recall the decision being a limit of 1 flex defense.Defenses can't be flexed?Fantasy Football: 2024 Footballguys MBSL1
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@Biabreakable and @Ministry of Pain
Most of the scoring rules are provided at the MFL link above. However, we are reducing the TE to 1.5 ppr, adding an additional flex scorer (RB/WR/TE), and removing the PK position,
Everyone who joins will be linked to the new website shortly and have time to review scoring better
@BassNBrew - just a heads-up that you've got the league set up to use 3 flex spots instead of 2 and DSTs included as a flex position.
I don't really care whether we roll with 2 flexes or 3, but DSTs as a flex looks like it's definitely, probably, maybe there in error.
Code:Starting Lineup Setup Total Starters: 11 Number of Starting QBs: 1 Number of Starting RBs: 2-5 Number of Starting WRs: 3-6 Number of Starting TEs: 1-4 Number of Starting Defs: 1-4 Use "Best Ball" Lineup: Yes
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Some of you are frequent readers and posters with me in numerous threads so obviously I look at some rosters with a little more bias than others
@nittanylion
NITTANYLION
QB Daniels in the 3rd and Dak in the 8th. If Dak can stay healthy and upright then you have a very strong combo here. I'm not as high on Daniels this year as I was last year just because of the price point but he certainly is an up and coming star in the league.
1.11 Jacobs and the 2.06 Taylor, this is the bulk of your RB stable, you feasted early and got two guys that get most of the touches. I do think Lloyd will factor in the Packers offense but Jacobs proved he can handle the load and despite poor QB play and passing game, Jacobs was the guy that moved the sticks and helped them achieve an 11-6 record
I passed on Taylor for Bucky but he was next on my list at the 2.04
WR Slim was your WR1 at the 4.06, he's really a WR2 type. Deebo is a leap of faith but you wanted the double up with Daniels, I get it. Reed is 800/8TD and perhaps more, you went heavy on the Packers, not a bad thing. Bateman and Wilson in best ball format are good finds, I like your rookie Pat Bryant and think his name will be called ore than folks are thinking right now.
TE is a mixed bag with Engram as your top TE ut in Denver he should find some easy targets
Dallas and that's it on Defense? I doubt that was the plan but it sort of ended up that way
Good draft, Strong RB1-A and RB1-B, WRs are a mixed bag but you have some reserves that might surprise. Won't be 1st off the island but also might not be a 2 to 1 favorite at the moment.
-The QB slot could be huge for you, Daniels and Dak are going to be threats to go for 30+ weekly as neither of them has great defenses so they will have to throw a lot for their teams to win
I talk about the QB matrix but it hurts even worse in redraft leagues where someone waits until 15 QBs are off he board and take Tua Tags, then wheel out 200 yds and a TD vs Josh Allen and they wonder why they get blown out. It's not 2-5 points a week difference. It's Daniels 38 vs Geno SMith's 22, yeah Geno looks alright but he's no Jayden Daniels.
@nittanylion
| Daniels, Jayden WAS QB |
| Mariota, Marcus WAS QB |
| Prescott, Dak DAL QB (Q) |
| Davis, Ray BUF RB |
| Harris, Najee LAC RB |
| Jacobs, Josh GBP RB |
| Mitchell, Elijah KCC RB |
| Taylor, Jonathan IND RB |
| Atwell, Tutu LAR WR |
| Bateman, Rashod BAL WR |
| Bryant, Pat DEN WR (R) |
| Reed, Jayden GBP WR (Q) |
| Samuel, Deebo WAS WR |
| Smith, DeVonta PHI WR |
| Turpin, KaVontae DAL WR |
| Wilson, Michael ARI WR (Q) |
| Engram, Evan DEN TE (Q) |
| Johnson, Theo NYG TE (Q) |
| Musgrave, Luke GBP TE |
| Cowboys, Dallas DAL Def |
NITTANYLION
QB Daniels in the 3rd and Dak in the 8th. If Dak can stay healthy and upright then you have a very strong combo here. I'm not as high on Daniels this year as I was last year just because of the price point but he certainly is an up and coming star in the league.
1.11 Jacobs and the 2.06 Taylor, this is the bulk of your RB stable, you feasted early and got two guys that get most of the touches. I do think Lloyd will factor in the Packers offense but Jacobs proved he can handle the load and despite poor QB play and passing game, Jacobs was the guy that moved the sticks and helped them achieve an 11-6 record
I passed on Taylor for Bucky but he was next on my list at the 2.04
WR Slim was your WR1 at the 4.06, he's really a WR2 type. Deebo is a leap of faith but you wanted the double up with Daniels, I get it. Reed is 800/8TD and perhaps more, you went heavy on the Packers, not a bad thing. Bateman and Wilson in best ball format are good finds, I like your rookie Pat Bryant and think his name will be called ore than folks are thinking right now.
TE is a mixed bag with Engram as your top TE ut in Denver he should find some easy targets
Dallas and that's it on Defense? I doubt that was the plan but it sort of ended up that way
Good draft, Strong RB1-A and RB1-B, WRs are a mixed bag but you have some reserves that might surprise. Won't be 1st off the island but also might not be a 2 to 1 favorite at the moment.
-The QB slot could be huge for you, Daniels and Dak are going to be threats to go for 30+ weekly as neither of them has great defenses so they will have to throw a lot for their teams to win
I talk about the QB matrix but it hurts even worse in redraft leagues where someone waits until 15 QBs are off he board and take Tua Tags, then wheel out 200 yds and a TD vs Josh Allen and they wonder why they get blown out. It's not 2-5 points a week difference. It's Daniels 38 vs Geno SMith's 22, yeah Geno looks alright but he's no Jayden Daniels.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
@Stinkin Ref
QB -Josh Allen 2.11 and Jordan Love 8.11, what's not to like? Allen is someone I was hoping to find on my team, didn't work out that way. You have a stud at QB1 and you have a wildcard at QB2 that is capable of going off as well but you don't rally need him so he's perfect behind Allen.
"A"
RB Aaron Jones in the 5th and then you opted to just blow this off until the 10th round, most of your reserves would need to see some injuries to be relevant. Lucky for you, injuries happen a. lot and you are likely to find a gem out of these backups or someone that can make a n appearance as your RB2 that week. But no depth and if Jones misses any time you are in real danger
"D-"
WR JJ and Adams as your WR1 and WR2, should see a lot of big numbers from both of them. Hopkins is your WR3, he's unreliable but pops off in spurts, which team is he on now? Ravens have Flowers and Bateman, we will see how Hopkins reacts to not being targeted as often.
"B" mostly on the strength of the top 2 WRs, we start 3 and then you have to Flex 3 more slots...what did you spend all your draft picks on?
TE You took four of them. Loveland is apparently nursing an injury right now, might be out until actual camp opens. Kelce saw a decline last year and now he's older. Hunter Henry and Dallas Goedert don't really move the needle but you'll need them to fill up your Flex spots. You have depth here, but for investing all these picks at the tight end position, seems like very few of them actually make a difference most seasons.
"B"
Def/ST Arizona, you only have 1 defense but you did pick a decent one. Many are overlooking them. I almost took them on one of the passes.
-I like some of the team but I do think you could be in jeopardy early with the lack of pop at Running Back. You need all 4 tight ends to show up almost every week. My recollection of Tight Ends in recent seasons is a lot of griping and complaining by most GMs that they are all about the same
-Josh Allen is the type of QB that can cover up a weak RB2 slot, don't forget that when you are evaluating this team. There is a reason he was drafted at 2.11
QB -Josh Allen 2.11 and Jordan Love 8.11, what's not to like? Allen is someone I was hoping to find on my team, didn't work out that way. You have a stud at QB1 and you have a wildcard at QB2 that is capable of going off as well but you don't rally need him so he's perfect behind Allen.
"A"
RB Aaron Jones in the 5th and then you opted to just blow this off until the 10th round, most of your reserves would need to see some injuries to be relevant. Lucky for you, injuries happen a. lot and you are likely to find a gem out of these backups or someone that can make a n appearance as your RB2 that week. But no depth and if Jones misses any time you are in real danger
"D-"
WR JJ and Adams as your WR1 and WR2, should see a lot of big numbers from both of them. Hopkins is your WR3, he's unreliable but pops off in spurts, which team is he on now? Ravens have Flowers and Bateman, we will see how Hopkins reacts to not being targeted as often.
"B" mostly on the strength of the top 2 WRs, we start 3 and then you have to Flex 3 more slots...what did you spend all your draft picks on?
TE You took four of them. Loveland is apparently nursing an injury right now, might be out until actual camp opens. Kelce saw a decline last year and now he's older. Hunter Henry and Dallas Goedert don't really move the needle but you'll need them to fill up your Flex spots. You have depth here, but for investing all these picks at the tight end position, seems like very few of them actually make a difference most seasons.
"B"
Def/ST Arizona, you only have 1 defense but you did pick a decent one. Many are overlooking them. I almost took them on one of the passes.
-I like some of the team but I do think you could be in jeopardy early with the lack of pop at Running Back. You need all 4 tight ends to show up almost every week. My recollection of Tight Ends in recent seasons is a lot of griping and complaining by most GMs that they are all about the same
-Josh Allen is the type of QB that can cover up a weak RB2 slot, don't forget that when you are evaluating this team. There is a reason he was drafted at 2.11
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Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
I can see both sides of this.
For sure I agree with Ref that the change from elimination every week to every 3 will lessen the impact of a goose egg ... in past years the difference each week between the team walking the plank and the bottom couple of survivors was 0-3 points pretty often, and 4 points from a DST2 could make all the difference. Now that it's 3-week stretches that same 4-point gap becomes a lot easier to fill in elsewhere.
But MOP is right that just because DSTs average x ppg doesn't mean they consistently score x points every week. I just pulled last year's MFL stats into Excel and DSTs averaged 6.6 points per game last year with a standard deviation of 5 ... from my vague memory of stats class, this means like 20-25% of the time they're scoring in double digits. Not much help in regular fantasy since those blowups tend to be pretty random, but in best-ball, getting two cracks each week at 10-12 points out of nowhere is probably pretty valuable.
rzrback77
Footballguy
@Biabreakable @-OZ-
this is a quoted post from page two. There were a few complaints from folks and we (as a group) decided to remove the defense as flex. I apologize if some missed this, but it was posted in the draft thread.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
4 rookie RBs and 4 Rookie WRs for MoP
I have changed my strategy in recent seasons mostly because I play alongside or compete against my son who is half my age, he thinks differently than I do
He shows me a lot of holes or blind spots I have had over decades of competing in FF.
I was always harsh on rookies and I've softened that stance lately. I use to be very uncomfortable with any rookies in my line ups, much preferred proven production over hope and faith
You are free to discuss, it's a gamble but I had a hard time finding upside or value many times when i was OTC
So I went with a youth movement
I'm going to be a first time grandfather in July, I'm getting soft
I have changed my strategy in recent seasons mostly because I play alongside or compete against my son who is half my age, he thinks differently than I do
He shows me a lot of holes or blind spots I have had over decades of competing in FF.
I was always harsh on rookies and I've softened that stance lately. I use to be very uncomfortable with any rookies in my line ups, much preferred proven production over hope and faith
You are free to discuss, it's a gamble but I had a hard time finding upside or value many times when i was OTC
So I went with a youth movement
I'm going to be a first time grandfather in July, I'm getting soft
rzrback77
Footballguy
Congrats! We have seven grands, headed out next week to see five of them.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
rzrback77
Footballguy
Looking back at my draft. I think that my biggest regret was taking James Cook as RB 14 and beginning my draft RB/RB. It's not that I do not like Cook there, it's more because of having JSN as my first WR seemed to put me behind the eight ball with WRs, who in this best-ball league with three flexes likely should have been the most important position.
Instead, I wind up taking a QB and TE, kind of toward the bottom of their tiers and felt forced to continue adding back-ups at WR and TE.
If one of James Cook or Saquon Barkley gets hurt, my team is severely hamstrung at the RB position.
I do feel pretty good about my WR depth and my QB tandem of Stafford and Mayfield, but weaker at TE and challenged at RB beyond the top two.
Instead, I wind up taking a QB and TE, kind of toward the bottom of their tiers and felt forced to continue adding back-ups at WR and TE.
If one of James Cook or Saquon Barkley gets hurt, my team is severely hamstrung at the RB position.
I do feel pretty good about my WR depth and my QB tandem of Stafford and Mayfield, but weaker at TE and challenged at RB beyond the top two.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is great because I don't have to do a lot of writing,, can just needle and dissect it all
You picked right after me so we had to be looking at similar names most of the time however I don' think I picked your pocket very often
-I root for Miami so I'm biased but I usually pass right over Achane. Love his talent, was all over him coming out of the '23 Draft and felt Miami was a great landing spot at the time
A lot has happened in 2 years, I view him as an explosive part of a 2-Back system
200 carries and almost 80 catches a year ago, double digit TD as a rookie and 2nd year player, he's really good in this offense.
I wanted to say this was too early but you had 4 teams behind you, 8 picks and you obviously were not that interested in Taylor
All of us pass on Johnathan Taylor at the 12-13-14-15-16 and then back 1-2-3-4-5...I would like an answer on why we all did that, interesting set of rankings we all were working off
-You took London as WR10, you obviously liked him better than say Adams in Los Angeles, and Harrison, Wilson, you like London a lot so I'm not going to quibble about it. You got your guy.
Higgins, Hock, Tet McMill...you use a buzz saw to this part of the draft and cut out real production. Tet is your WR3 and already WR1 on the depth charts in Carolina. I was looking at him in the 5th round for sure but you swiped him right before me. Higgins is your WR2, like him almost better than London but you have both plus Tet, you're rolling.
QB-2 of your next 3 picks are Herbert and Fields, you have them much higher than I do. I think Harbaugh is full of poop when he talks about pushing Herbert to the Hall of Fame, that's rich coming from him. He wants to run the ball 500 times if he can with a rookie and Harris each getting feature back touches and if Herbert tosses a few in between then so be it. I do not trust Harbaugh as a FF GM, he scares me. That could change of course after '25 but right now I see the Chargers offense as more ground and pound
BRob is your RB2 and then you opted to not attack the flex positions with a lot of RBs, Robinson of course benefitted from no RB of substance being added to the roster.
Everyone has some holes on their rosters, we have 16 GMs and went QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FLEX FLEX FLEX, some teams are going to be hard pressed to fill out a starting roster with all the flex spots that have to be filled. Good format for best ball though and rewards strong drafters.
Good draft, liked your early picks especially TetMcM as your WR3, he's got a lot of upside in Carolina when they are trailing and racking up another 10-12 losses
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
In fairness, Seattle has totally overturned their passing game
New QB - Sam Darnold, gone is Geno Smith
Bye Bye DK Metcalf and Tyler lockett, hello JSN
Will JSN fill the shoes of previous WRs? We don't know the exact answer to that but obviously you are optimistic
It might be a very strong pick come Sept/Oct when we see them in action
-OZ-
Footballguy
Not a big deal, I had just thought that was in response to whether we’d allow defense to count as two flexes
no biggie. I probably misread while working.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Stinkin Ref
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REF:
1.06 Justin Jefferson WR2 MIN 6
2.11 Josh Allen QB1 BUF 7
3.06 Davante Adams WR18 LAR 8
4.11 Travis Kelce TE7 KC 10
5.06 Aaron Jones RB26 MIN 6
6.11 Colston Loveland TE13 CHI 5
7.06 Dallas Goedert TE19 PHI 9
8.11 Jordan Love QB19 GB 5
The plan going in was to get Stafford as my QB2 but when it got to me in the 8th I decided to pivot to Love. No real rhyme or reason. Happy with this QB combo and avoided a bye week issue. Love has weapons and should have some boom weeks.
9.06 Hunter Henry TE23 NE 14
Wasn’t really planning on going this direction, but Henry was sticking out like a sore thumb. Was a little surprised he was still available after 22 TE’s off the board. Expect him to out produce TE23 in improved offense with a QB whose arrow seems pointing up. He is a considtent target for Maye and 66 receptions last year will be like a 100 reception RB or WR. Flex appeal.
10.11 Cam Skattebo RB43 NYG 14
Had pretty much punted the RB2 position in this league and planned on just getting some bodies and hoping for a score. I really like Tracy but I can see Skattebo leap frogging Singletary and bring a different element to the NYG ground game. Would have taken any three of the six RB’s that went between my Henry pick and this pick and maybe took Cam in the 11th. Should get a few decent scores here.
11.06 Jaydon Blue RB46 DAL 10
Don’t know much other than he has a great skillset and many think he should have no problem supplanting Williams and Sanders as the RB1 in Dallas. I’ll take it.
12.11 DeAndre Hopkins WR 68 BAL 7
Going all in on TE saw me go 6 rounds without taking a WR. I’m probably a little higher on Hopkins in BAL than most and feel he is a decent option in this format. Should have some opportunities in a great offense.
13.06 Tank Bigsby RB54 JAC 8
Solid year last year but does have a rookie coming in and Etienne as competition. If the rookie doesn’t take over, Tank should get a few touches each week.
14.11 Xavier Legette WR76 CAR 14
CAR expecting a jump in production this year from Legette. The rookie and Thielan will steal receptions, but in this format Legette should score a few weeks.
15.06 Raheem Mostert RB64 LVR 8
Carrol likes to run the ball and I think Mostert slides right into the #2 role behind the rookie.
16.11 Arizona Cardinals DST22 8
Think they used ALL of their draft picks on defense. Should be improved.
17.06 Darius Slayton WR85 NYG 14
Resigned for $36 mil over three years, so sounds like the Giants plan on him being heavily involved. I expect him to out produce WR85 with slightly improved QB play.
18.11 Devaughn Vele WR93 DEN 12
Hard to get excited about WR93, but I really liked being able to snag Vele here and add him to the stuff I am throwing against the wall each week at WR3/flex. At 6’ 5” 210 he is a big WR and Peyton likes big receivers. Had some solid games last year and looks the part.
19.06 Alan Lazard WR100 NYJ 9
Currently sits at WR2 on the Jets depth chart and reworked his contract to stay. Won’t have his homie chucking it to him, but should still see enough targets to post some scores.
20.11 Diontae Johnson WR111 CLE 9
Don’t like the dude, but has talent and this late in the draft talent is a decent option.
Two picks left….will continue to snag warm bodies and hope my TE strategy and QB’s can carry the load. Not worried about one defense in the new format. All TE’s have different bye weeks so that is a bonus. Overall schedule makers were pretty kind to me with the byes.
1.06 Justin Jefferson WR2 MIN 6
2.11 Josh Allen QB1 BUF 7
3.06 Davante Adams WR18 LAR 8
4.11 Travis Kelce TE7 KC 10
5.06 Aaron Jones RB26 MIN 6
6.11 Colston Loveland TE13 CHI 5
7.06 Dallas Goedert TE19 PHI 9
8.11 Jordan Love QB19 GB 5
The plan going in was to get Stafford as my QB2 but when it got to me in the 8th I decided to pivot to Love. No real rhyme or reason. Happy with this QB combo and avoided a bye week issue. Love has weapons and should have some boom weeks.
9.06 Hunter Henry TE23 NE 14
Wasn’t really planning on going this direction, but Henry was sticking out like a sore thumb. Was a little surprised he was still available after 22 TE’s off the board. Expect him to out produce TE23 in improved offense with a QB whose arrow seems pointing up. He is a considtent target for Maye and 66 receptions last year will be like a 100 reception RB or WR. Flex appeal.
10.11 Cam Skattebo RB43 NYG 14
Had pretty much punted the RB2 position in this league and planned on just getting some bodies and hoping for a score. I really like Tracy but I can see Skattebo leap frogging Singletary and bring a different element to the NYG ground game. Would have taken any three of the six RB’s that went between my Henry pick and this pick and maybe took Cam in the 11th. Should get a few decent scores here.
11.06 Jaydon Blue RB46 DAL 10
Don’t know much other than he has a great skillset and many think he should have no problem supplanting Williams and Sanders as the RB1 in Dallas. I’ll take it.
12.11 DeAndre Hopkins WR 68 BAL 7
Going all in on TE saw me go 6 rounds without taking a WR. I’m probably a little higher on Hopkins in BAL than most and feel he is a decent option in this format. Should have some opportunities in a great offense.
13.06 Tank Bigsby RB54 JAC 8
Solid year last year but does have a rookie coming in and Etienne as competition. If the rookie doesn’t take over, Tank should get a few touches each week.
14.11 Xavier Legette WR76 CAR 14
CAR expecting a jump in production this year from Legette. The rookie and Thielan will steal receptions, but in this format Legette should score a few weeks.
15.06 Raheem Mostert RB64 LVR 8
Carrol likes to run the ball and I think Mostert slides right into the #2 role behind the rookie.
16.11 Arizona Cardinals DST22 8
Think they used ALL of their draft picks on defense. Should be improved.
17.06 Darius Slayton WR85 NYG 14
Resigned for $36 mil over three years, so sounds like the Giants plan on him being heavily involved. I expect him to out produce WR85 with slightly improved QB play.
18.11 Devaughn Vele WR93 DEN 12
Hard to get excited about WR93, but I really liked being able to snag Vele here and add him to the stuff I am throwing against the wall each week at WR3/flex. At 6’ 5” 210 he is a big WR and Peyton likes big receivers. Had some solid games last year and looks the part.
19.06 Alan Lazard WR100 NYJ 9
Currently sits at WR2 on the Jets depth chart and reworked his contract to stay. Won’t have his homie chucking it to him, but should still see enough targets to post some scores.
20.11 Diontae Johnson WR111 CLE 9
Don’t like the dude, but has talent and this late in the draft talent is a decent option.
Two picks left….will continue to snag warm bodies and hope my TE strategy and QB’s can carry the load. Not worried about one defense in the new format. All TE’s have different bye weeks so that is a bonus. Overall schedule makers were pretty kind to me with the byes.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Great explanations of all the picks, I was a little hard on you for RBs but you take that out and you have one fo the stronger teams at QB, TE had depth, agree with your assessment of Hunter Henry, I should have taken him in the 8th to pair with Kraft which would have been nice but I was backed into a corner at WR and needed somebody with some real upside so i went Golden insteadREF:
1.06 Justin Jefferson WR2 MIN 6
2.11 Josh Allen QB1 BUF 7
3.06 Davante Adams WR18 LAR 8
4.11 Travis Kelce TE7 KC 10
5.06 Aaron Jones RB26 MIN 6
6.11 Colston Loveland TE13 CHI 5
7.06 Dallas Goedert TE19 PHI 9
8.11 Jordan Love QB19 GB 5
The plan going in was to get Stafford as my QB2 but when it got to me in the 8th I decided to pivot to Love. No real rhyme or reason. Happy with this QB combo and avoided a bye week issue. Love has weapons and should have some boom weeks.
9.06 Hunter Henry TE23 NE 14
Wasn’t really planning on going this direction, but Henry was sticking out like a sore thumb. Was a little surprised he was still available after 22 TE’s off the board. Expect him to out produce TE23 in improved offense with a QB whose arrow seems pointing up. He is a considtent target for Maye and 66 receptions last year will be like a 100 reception RB or WR. Flex appeal.
10.11 Cam Skattebo RB43 NYG 14
Had pretty much punted the RB2 position in this league and planned on just getting some bodies and hoping for a score. I really like Tracy but I can see Skattebo leap frogging Singletary and bring a different element to the NYG ground game. Would have taken any three of the six RB’s that went between my Henry pick and this pick and maybe took Cam in the 11th. Should get a few decent scores here.
11.06 Jaydon Blue RB46 DAL 10
Don’t know much other than he has a great skillset and many think he should have no problem supplanting Williams and Sanders as the RB1 in Dallas. I’ll take it.
12.11 DeAndre Hopkins WR 68 BAL 7
Going all in on TE saw me go 6 rounds without taking a WR. I’m probably a little higher on Hopkins in BAL than most and feel he is a decent option in this format. Should have some opportunities in a great offense.
13.06 Tank Bigsby RB54 JAC 8
Solid year last year but does have a rookie coming in and Etienne as competition. If the rookie doesn’t take over, Tank should get a few touches each week.
14.11 Xavier Legette WR76 CAR 14
CAR expecting a jump in production this year from Legette. The rookie and Thielan will steal receptions, but in this format Legette should score a few weeks.
15.06 Raheem Mostert RB64 LVR 8
Carrol likes to run the ball and I think Mostert slides right into the #2 role behind the rookie.
16.11 Arizona Cardinals DST22 8
Think they used ALL of their draft picks on defense. Should be improved.
17.06 Darius Slayton WR85 NYG 14
Resigned for $36 mil over three years, so sounds like the Giants plan on him being heavily involved. I expect him to out produce WR85 with slightly improved QB play.
18.11 Devaughn Vele WR93 DEN 12
Hard to get excited about WR93, but I really liked being able to snag Vele here and add him to the stuff I am throwing against the wall each week at WR3/flex. At 6’ 5” 210 he is a big WR and Peyton likes big receivers. Had some solid games last year and looks the part.
19.06 Alan Lazard WR100 NYJ 9
Currently sits at WR2 on the Jets depth chart and reworked his contract to stay. Won’t have his homie chucking it to him, but should still see enough targets to post some scores.
20.11 Diontae Johnson WR111 CLE 9
Don’t like the dude, but has talent and this late in the draft talent is a decent option.
Two picks left….will continue to snag warm bodies and hope my TE strategy and QB’s can carry the load. Not worried about one defense in the new format. All TE’s have different bye weeks so that is a bonus. Overall schedule makers were pretty kind to me with the byes.
-For a GM that claims they are behind on rookies this year and acted like you never heard of Harvey and KJ, you managed to zone in on Blue.
He may or may not make a splash in Dallas, he's not one of the stronger RB in this class, bit of a head scratcher why they went with him vs so many others that could have come in and taken over at RB, makes me think the Cowboys think a lot of Williams even though he just hasn't looked the same post injury, maybe change of scenery will help.
Blue has a lot of value the 2nd Half of the season when Dallas is 3-5 already. I would have taken him at some point for sure
-I should have taken Lazard late with so many rookies at WR on my roster, a vet would have been good but I just could not pull the trigger on him
Nice write up, thanks for the insight
