prime RB situations- now that wave of free agency is over (1 Viewer)

[loose circuits]

Seems like there are still some spots for both RB and WR that should be considered very good situations. With a ridiculous deep rookie RB class, we could have the supply easily meet the demand

I posted something about the RB market a while ago, but could not find the thread.

Here is who I consider needing a RB:

San Diego: Woodhead, Oliver, Brown could maybe get it done, but why not add a high upside rookie to that mix...

Cards: not sure they can roll with status quo

Minnesota: depending on Peterson

Carolina: can stewart stay healthy?

Detroit: is Bell and Riddick enough?

Washington: Is Morris versatile enough? Royster or Thompson as 3rd down??? Ameer would be perfect here

Dallas: what a mess...

Tenn: Sankey does not seem like the guy they thought they were getting

Baltimore: They can't believe they can ride Forsett like that again?

New England: probably a rbbc mess regardless

NYJets: Powell, Ivory nothing to write home about

Indy: have to wait for Gore, but long term prospects look good for a rookie

ATL: does freeman fit Shanny system?

JAx: denied looked ok...

what do you guys think?

 

[Sweet Love]

I would break it out by Round 1-3 RBs, and 4 and beyond. Reason being, I think every team could legitamately be in it for rounds 4 and beyond, and I may even extend that to Round 3. But if you are thinking, "where could the top 3-4 go", I think you have a very good start. I would probably throw Miami in there, as they are kind of bare behind Miller.

 

[FUBAR]

as a Titans fan, I wouldn't consider TEN to be a "prime" RB destination. Opportunity is there but for immediate production look elsewhere unless they somehow get Gurley or Gordon.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Seems like there are still some spots for both RB and WR that should be considered very good situations. With a ridiculous deep rookie RB class, we could have the supply easily meet the demand

I posted something about the RB market a while ago, but could not find the thread.

Here is who I consider needing a RB:

San Diego: Woodhead, Oliver, Brown could maybe get it done, but why not add a high upside rookie to that mix...

Cards: not sure they can roll with status quo

Minnesota: depending on Peterson

Carolina: can stewart stay healthy?

Detroit: is Bell and Riddick enough?

Washington: Is Morris versatile enough? Royster or Thompson as 3rd down??? Ameer would be perfect here

Dallas: what a mess...

Tenn: Sankey does not seem like the guy they thought they were getting

Baltimore: They can't believe they can ride Forsett like that again?

New England: probably a rbbc mess regardless

NYJets: Powell, Ivory nothing to write home about

Indy: have to wait for Gore, but long term prospects look good for a rookie

what do you guys think?

Outside of Dallas, it looks like all of these situations will be timeshares at best (at least initially) unfortunately. But then again, practically every situation in the NFL is a timeshare now.

 

[eNdblu]

I'd consider adding Atlanta to the list unless you're a believer in a Freeman/Rodgers combo

 

[*****]

If any of Dallas, Indy or Baltimore draft a RB in round 2 or 3, I think they could all make good dynasty plays.

Depending on what you think of Taliafaro in BAL, all those teams have aging veterans and opportunities for young backs to contribute late in 2015 or to start 2016.

 

[jurb26]

Good list. I'd add Jax to it. The oline is sketchy but there isn't really a lot of competition for a guy drafted in round 1 or 2.

 

[massraider]

Dallas is going to pick up some UDFA with good workout numbers, and people are going to be drafting him in the 2nd round of rookie drafts.

 

[loose circuits]

Good list. I'd add Jax to it. The oline is sketchy but there isn't really a lot of competition for a guy drafted in round 1 or 2.

good one, forgot all about them...

 

[loose circuits]

I'd consider adding Atlanta to the list unless you're a believer in a Freeman/Rodgers combo

especially if it's a pounder that fits the Shanny MO because Freeman does not.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'd consider adding Atlanta to the list unless you're a believer in a Freeman/Rodgers combo

especially if it's a pounder that fits the Shanny MO because Freeman does not.

One cut kind of guy, TJ Yeldon

 

[loose circuits]

Those of you guys talking about top 3 rounds only making an impact- I'm not sure I agree.

With a list like (not in order):

Gordon

Gurley

Ajayi

Ameer

duke Johnson

David Johnson

Tevin Coleman

Yeldon

David Cobb (say to ATL In 5th or 6th)

Jeremy Langford

mike Davis

karlos williams

Artis-Payne

There are a few more I could name, but I could easily see these guys contributing to the teams above regardless of draft position

 

[saintfool]

Good list. I'd add Jax to it. The oline is sketchy but there isn't really a lot of competition for a guy drafted in round 1 or 2.

i traded for denard recently. it looks like no one signficant is coming to Jax, even if they are willing to grossly overpay. the HC said some nice things about Denard (who was surprisingly effective in his handful of games) but i can't fault him for looking into Murray's services. if they grab a RB in the draft, it's going to be after R1 (unless they trade back) and that could work to Denard's favor.

 

[jurb26]

Good list. I'd add Jax to it. The oline is sketchy but there isn't really a lot of competition for a guy drafted in round 1 or 2.

i traded for denard recently. it looks like no one signficant is coming to Jax, even if they are willing to grossly overpay. the HC said some nice things about Denard (who was surprisingly effective in his handful of games) but i can't fault him for looking into Murray's services. if they grab a RB in the draft, it's going to be after R1 (unless they trade back) and that could work to Denard's favor.

Yeah, I like Denard and even traded for him last year in one of my dynasty leagues. Still, there are a slew of backs who would probably take the starting gig from him and some of those guys are likely available in round 2 at their pick. I think Gurley and Gordon both go round 1 so they are probably out unless Jax would feel the need to trade back up for them. If Gurley would slip far enough I to round 1 that might not be a bad idea. Other than that, Ajayi and Colman are guys I like a lot at around their pick in round 2.

 

[FF Ninja]

Why does your list say that Dallas is a mess? Signing DMC to a 2 year $3M contract is very cheap backup money. If someone goes to Dallas, it'll still be a gold mine for fantasy production.

At this point, it'll probably be a rookie, but they could probably trade for a guy who has fallen out of favor (such as Doug Martin, Zac Stacy, or Toby Gerhart) for peanuts or sign someone like Ray Rice or Ahmad Bradshaw on the cheap. Moreno and Ridley are coming back from ACLs, but could probably be close to ready for contact by the start of pre-season. Either way, the job is wide open and hardly a mess in my opinion. That offense and OL are still going to be very good next year. Just need someone decent and the production will be there.

 

[identikit]

Why does your list say that Dallas is a mess? Signing DMC to a 2 year $3M contract is very cheap backup money. If someone goes to Dallas, it'll still be a gold mine for fantasy production.

At this point, it'll probably be a rookie, but they could probably trade for a guy who has fallen out of favor (such as Doug Martin, Zac Stacy, or Toby Gerhart) for peanuts or sign someone like Ray Rice or Ahmad Bradshaw on the cheap. Moreno and Ridley are coming back from ACLs, but could probably be close to ready for contact by the start of pre-season. Either way, the job is wide open and hardly a mess in my opinion. That offense and OL are still going to be very good next year. Just need someone decent and the production will be there.

I think you've just defined 'mess.'

At least at this very moment.

 

[FF Ninja]

How do you figure? It is still a prime landing spot. Just because there aren't any prime free agents left doesn't make Dallas any less appealing of a landing spot.

Great offense, great offensive line, no real competition. What more could you possibly ask for?!

 

[identikit]

How do you figure? It is still a prime landing spot. Just because there aren't any prime free agents left doesn't make Dallas any less appealing of a landing spot.

Great offense, great offensive line, no real competition. What more could you possibly ask for?!

I see no clarity there right now.

I'm sure they'll address it somehow.

 

[bostonfred]

I don't think mess was an indictment of the situation, but the other backs there. I'd be shocked if Randle or McFadden was their d1 starter this year.

The best free agents left are ridley and Moreno, both coming off knee injuries. Peterson might be available but there are other suitors including Arizona, which probably shows that they're in the market to upgrade Ellington.

I think ridley is a big time lottery ticket right now. the Cowboys need someone who can not only run but protect Romo and ridley developed into a plus blocker after a slow start. I don't think the Cowboys want to risk romos back to a rookie back missing an assignment. Moreno fits that profile too but doesn't have nearly the running ability. And you can still get ridley cheap right now. Huge upside, low cost dynasty add who could see an immediate spike in value at any time.

 

[FF Ninja]

If there was clarity (i.e. obvious starter) wouldn't that make it no longer a prime situation for a free agent/rookie? You seem to be contradicting your own premise.

 

[loose circuits]

what I meant by Dallas being a mess is that things are impossible to project right now. Even if they grab a guy like Langford in the 5th or 6th round, he could become very valuable (somebody else already mentioned this)...

 

[identikit]

If there was clarity (i.e. obvious starter) wouldn't that make it no longer a prime situation for a free agent/rookie? You seem to be contradicting your own premise.

I'm agreeing with the OP.

 

[bostonfred]

Published Fri Mar 13 9:57:00 a.m. ET 2015

(Rotoworld)There appears to be mutual interest between the Cowboys and free agent RB Stevan Ridley.

Analysis: If healthy, Ridley wouldn't be a bad fallback for the Cowboys after losing DeMarco Murray. He's a power back who could thrive behind Dallas' big offensive line. Wherever Ridley lands, he'll likely sign a one-year "prove it" contract before hitting the market again next offseason.

 

[Zdravko]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

 

[FF Ninja]

what I meant by Dallas being a mess is that things are impossible to project right now. Even if they grab a guy like Langford in the 5th or 6th round, he could become very valuable (somebody else already mentioned this)...

Wouldn't that make all of those situations a mess then? San Diego had a hodge podge of mediocre (at best) RBs and a worse o-line. Thus, SD is more of a mess than Dallas. Nobody knows how big of a role Ellington will have on the Cardinals next year and they aren't a very good blocking unit, either. Is that a mess, too? The premise of the thread was good landing spots for RBs. I am pretty sure Dallas should top that list rather than be considered a mess.

If there was clarity (i.e. obvious starter) wouldn't that make it no longer a prime situation for a free agent/rookie? You seem to be contradicting your own premise.

I'm agreeing with the OP.

I mistook you for the OP there. But if you are agreeing with him then you are both contradicting the premise of the thread.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

i find it entertaining watching people trying to predict the NFL in this capacity. bishop sankey went to a prime rb destination. isaiah crowell went to a mess of RBs and became the starter. so predict away.

 

[FF Ninja]

i find it entertaining watching people trying to predict the NFL in this capacity. bishop sankey went to a prime rb destination. isaiah crowell went to a mess of RBs and became the starter. so predict away.

Fantasy football can seem like an exercise in futility, but isn't the entire point of it to predict the unknown? You don't have to be right 100% of the time. You just have to be right more often than the other managers. Some people predicted Sankey wouldn't be very good in year 1, some people predicted Crowell would be, and some people blindly bought the Crowell hype and were rewarded...

 

[zamboni]

i find it entertaining watching people trying to predict the NFL in this capacity. bishop sankey went to a prime rb destination. isaiah crowell went to a mess of RBs and became the starter. so predict away.

It obviously boils down to both talent and situation. To be sure it doesn't always work out like with Sankey, Richardson and others, but sometimes it does. It's all a matter of how much you're willing to gamble that situation and talent meshes together.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

Arizona is every bit the contender that Dallas is.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Wouldn't that make all of those situations a mess then? San Diego had a hodge podge of mediocre (at best) RBs and a worse o-line. Thus, SD is more of a mess than Dallas. Nobody knows how big of a role Ellington will have on the Cardinals next year and they aren't a very good blocking unit, either. Is that a mess, too? The premise of the thread was good landing spots for RBs. I am pretty sure Dallas should top that list rather than be considered a mess.

It's currently a "mess" based on the crap that is there right now However, since they are listed as a "prime RB situation(s)" I don't think the OP is implying they would be a mess if they were able to draft or otherwise add a quality back.

 

[massraider]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

Arizona is every bit the contender that Dallas is.

Interesting how Dallas went from also-ran to perennial playoff lock in one season.

 

[FF Ninja]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

Arizona is every bit the contender that Dallas is.

Interesting how Dallas went from also-ran to perennial playoff lock in one season.

Dallas hasn't been "also-ran" since Romo took over. In the Romo era, Dallas has been a perennial playoff caliber team with a yearly letdown.

 

[massraider]

They've been a .500 ballclub. The distance between also-ran and playoff caliber is a $5 cab ride.

Regardless, they've been hovering around .500 for a decade, and Romo's career in winding down.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

Arizona is every bit the contender that Dallas is.

Interesting how Dallas went from also-ran to perennial playoff lock in one season.

Dallas hasn't been "also-ran" since Romo took over. In the Romo era, Dallas has been a perennial playoff caliber team with a yearly letdown.

seems like something jerry jones would say to anyone who would listen.

 

[Zdravko]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

Arizona is every bit the contender that Dallas is.

You are right, track record certainly would suggest so. I just find it hard to envision ARI winning a SB, even with Peterson, but maybe that's my unjustified bias.

 

[Crippler]

Like the WR thread but this time RB. My league drafts our 1st round before NFL draft and looking at Tevin Coleman, TJ Yeldon, Ameer Abdullah or Jay Ajayi in the 1st round. Pick 1.12 and 1.14

Where would I want these guys to land as I expect both are 2nd round or early 3rd at the worst.

1. Dallas. No competition and a great OL

2. San Deigo. Owning Oliver helps but chance to play

3. Indy. I probably have to wait and year but that is okay for my team

4. Detroit. I think Bell is average and so is Reddick Bell cow would be good here with Calvin opening up things

5. Baltimore. Is Forsett really that good. A chance for the future as love the coaching here

6. Jets. I think they want to run and the competition is weak

7. Carolina. Only Stewart to beat out. His salary could see him gone after this year also

8. Atlanta. Great spot but OL is weak and pass 1st. They like RBBC more I think

9. Cards. Chance to be 50-50 guy with Ellington and probably more talent to do more

10. Minny. Depending on ADP. But good for next year as this would be ADP last year at most

11. Jags. It would be okay also but just dont know about production there

Wash, Tennessee and New England would not thrill me at all

 

[Dr. Octopus]

List of free agent RBs still available that may further cloudy the waters a little:

Steven Jackson

Ben Tate

Steven Ridley

Knowshon Moreno

Jacquizz Rodgers

Pierre Thomas

Ahmad Bradshaw

Chris Johnson

Nothing to get too terribly excited (or worried) about, but most on the list could at least possibly throw a monkey wrench into clear playing time for a rookie.

 

[massraider]

List of free agent RBs still available that may further cloudy the waters a little:

Steven Jackson

Ben Tate

Steven Ridley

Knowshon Moreno

Jacquizz Rodgers

Pierre Thomas

Ahmad Bradshaw

Chris Johnson

Nothing to get too terribly excited (or worried) about, but most on the list could at least possibly throw a monkey wrench into clear playing time for a rookie.

Ahmad Bradshaw will sign with someone for short money in August, and be a solid contributor--again--for someone.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The Florida Times Union believes it should be a "no-brainer" for the Jaguars to use the No. 36 pick on Georgia RB Todd Gurley or Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon.

That's if either running back is available at the top of the second round. The only thing that will keep Gurley out of the first round is his recovery from a torn ACL. Gordon is also on the first-/second-round fringe, as the two are widely-considered the top two backs in the draft. The Jaguars flirted with DeMarco Murray in free agency. They don't believe in Denard Robinson as a foundation runner and have come to terms with Toby Gerhart as a mere role player and change-of-pace.

 

[loose circuits]

List of free agent RBs still available that may further cloudy the waters a little:

Steven Jackson

Ben Tate

Steven Ridley

Knowshon Moreno

Jacquizz Rodgers

Pierre Thomas

Ahmad Bradshaw

Chris Johnson

Nothing to get too terribly excited (or worried) about, but most on the list could at least possibly throw a monkey wrench into clear playing time for a rookie.

that list is uninspiring to say the least

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Like the WR thread but this time RB. My league drafts our 1st round before NFL draft and looking at Tevin Coleman, TJ Yeldon, Ameer Abdullah or Jay Ajayi in the 1st round. Pick 1.12 and 1.14

Where would I want these guys to land as I expect both are 2nd round or early 3rd at the worst.

1. Dallas. No competition and a great OL

2. San Deigo. Owning Oliver helps but chance to play

3. Indy. I probably have to wait and year but that is okay for my team

4. Detroit. I think Bell is average and so is Reddick Bell cow would be good here with Calvin opening up things

5. Baltimore. Is Forsett really that good. A chance for the future as love the coaching here

6. Jets. I think they want to run and the competition is weak

7. Carolina. Only Stewart to beat out. His salary could see him gone after this year also

8. Atlanta. Great spot but OL is weak and pass 1st. They like RBBC more I think

9. Cards. Chance to be 50-50 guy with Ellington and probably more talent to do more

10. Minny. Depending on ADP. But good for next year as this would be ADP last year at most

11. Jags. It would be okay also but just dont know about production there

Wash, Tennessee and New England would not thrill me at all

plus there is always a team or two that picks a RB early that catches everyone by suprise like Cincy with Jeremy Hill

 

[Biabreakable]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

The Vikings will not just cut Peterson. They have kept cap space to keep him at $12.5 million for 2015

I seriously doubt that Peterson will not take that amount of money and will play for the Vikings unless another team makes a good offer for him.

As it stands right now the Cardinals are rumored to have offered their second round pick. Tampa Bay is interested as well.

 

[saintfool]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

The Vikings will not just cut Peterson. They have kept cap space to keep him at $12.5 million for 2015

I seriously doubt that Peterson will not take that amount of money and will play for the Vikings unless another team makes a good offer for him.

As it stands right now the Cardinals are rumored to have offered their second round pick. Tampa Bay is interested as well.

i think it was in the MMQB column yesterday this was touched on. the Cardinals have no interest in taking on his contract. something along the lines of having just "fixed" Larry's contract and there was not any desire as a result.

 

[Biabreakable]

Don't think the Cowboys are that stupid. Jerry pees his pants by the thought of having Adrian Peterson on his roster. He knows Peterson's contract is untenable even for Arizona. Peterson knows that too and also wants to play for a contender before it's too late. So the math is simple - Peterson refuses to re-negotiate terms with the Vikings, gets cut and signs in Dallas, who now have the cap space for him.

The Vikings will not just cut Peterson. They have kept cap space to keep him at $12.5 million for 2015

I seriously doubt that Peterson will not take that amount of money and will play for the Vikings unless another team makes a good offer for him.

As it stands right now the Cardinals are rumored to have offered their second round pick. Tampa Bay is interested as well.

i think it was in the MMQB column yesterday this was touched on. the Cardinals have no interest in taking on his contract. something along the lines of having just "fixed" Larry's contract and there was not any desire as a result.

Peterson would need to renegotiate his deal as part of any trade obviously. I don't think any team is offering him as much money as the Vikings.

 

[Shutout]

I'd consider adding Atlanta to the list unless you're a believer in a Freeman/Rodgers combo

especially if it's a pounder that fits the Shanny MO because Freeman does not.

One cut kind of guy, TJ Yeldon

Was gonna say, if Yeldon gets drafted by Atlanta, he is THE #1 rookie RB and you can write that in ink.

Unless I see an OBVIOUS talent walk through the door at RB (and Gurley is the only one I would put in that tier this year), the answer to the OP question depends entirely on the circumstances in where they land. Unless its a great talent, I don't look at RB rankings at all with anything in mind except "does this make sense?"

Its why I avoid players like Bishop Sankey last year and its why I wanted Lacy (didn't get him) over Ball two years ago. Because, sometimes, you just have to know how the real world is going to affect these grand ideas fantasy footballers have about plug - n- play.

 

[iamkoza]

of those listed dallas will be the one i keep tabs on the mos... luckily there is no shortage of dallas cowboy beat writers/reporters. with that o-line whoever gets the bulk of the work be it mcfadden or a rookie will be fantasy relevant

 

[ol blues]

In redraft leagues the likely rookie RB landing spots that I see are:

Should have value: Dallas, San Diego, Detroit, Jax, NYJ, Atlanta, New England.

May have value: Baltimore, Carolina, Arizona, Indy, Minnesota, Tennessee.

Unlikely to have value: Miami, Oakland, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Tampa Bay, Washington.

 

[simey]

Carolina: can stewart stay healthy?

what do you guys think?

I think we know the answer to this one.

Carolina may draft someone to compete at backup with Fozzy, but Fozzy Whittaker is in their plans. Tolbert also gets a few carries.

 

[loose circuits]

Carolina: can stewart stay healthy?

what do you guys think?

I think we know the answer to this one.

Carolina may draft someone to compete at backup with Fozzy, but Fozzy Whittaker is in their plans. Tolbert also gets a few carries.

both solid role players, but neither can replace Stewart at this point in there careers