Pure Squistion Entertainment (formerly the Colin Kaepernick thread) (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Fat reality is Kap has been beaten out by Blaine   Gabbert, he's missed the first two preseason games with a 'DEAD' arm, and he's been on the trading block with no takers and is probably a lot closer to being on the cutting block than people know. 

He's now got a head coach who treats skill stars like interchangeable parts but who also was accused of racism by scalded players at his last job. So this action explains itself. Blame & distract and the 9ers are too scared to get rid of him because it will look like retaliation and racism.

And oh yeah - the league fined Kaep last year or so for using a racial epithet at a black player.

At this point I think Kap is trying to make himself relevant in any way possible as his NFL career is sketchy at best.   This might buy him some reality work. 

 

[grateful zed]

I'd be curious if a cross check was done to determine if people were consistent with posting that this was acceptable and were also supportive of people flying the confederate flag. 

he can fly it, people are free to think he is a dooch.

 

[squistion]

I'd be curious if a cross check was done to determine if people were consistent with posting that this was acceptable and were also supportive of people flying the confederate flag. 

The issue was the confederate flag being flown at the State Houses, sanctioned by the state, not people individually flying it in their yards or on their trucks.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I'd be curious if a cross check was done to determine if people were consistent with posting that this was acceptable and were also supportive of people flying the confederate flag. 

It'd also be interesting to time-warp the FFA back to 1967 when Ali got drafted.

 

[ShamrockPride]

He was making an analogy to express a point about freedom of speech.  

I don't think you understand what an analogy is.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

The thing that bugged me most about this "protest" is that it was senseless, something an angry 16-year-old would do. It was like saying "I don't like that abortion is happening in this country, so I'm gonna take a dump on a baby on live TV." 

SENSELESS.

 

[TripItUp]

But of course I support anyone's right to fly that flag, or the Isis flag for that matter. 

Not so sure I would support the ISIS flag...line has to be drawn somewhere IMHO.

 

[Megaton]

I don't think you understand what an analogy is.

The analogy (comparison for sake of making a point or for clarification) was between Kaep's act of sitting down during the national anthem and his act of clapping when some family of a killed soldiers kicked his ###.  His point was both acts may be wrong, but there is a right to do them.  I am confused at why you fail to see the analogy.  

 

[grateful zed]

At this point I think Kap is trying to make himself relevant in any way possible as his NFL career is sketchy at best.   This might buy him some reality work. 

a good punch in the face seams sufficient. 

 

[ProstheticRGK]

SENSELESS.

I was pretty young, if I was born for that, even. Maybe that's an apples to apples comparison, maybe not, but I don't know any context to comment on it.

But what national policy was Kaep supposedly protesting? Was it just 'F America' because Black Lives Matter? That seems pretty senseless, to me. But, I don't really care, except for the amount of thought it took to write this.

 

[Sconch]

Not so sure I would support the ISIS flag...line has to be drawn somewhere IMHO.

That's pretty much the whole point.  Supporting the right of the people to express their opinion even if it is offensive.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Was it just 'F America' because Black Lives Matter? That seems pretty senseless, to me. 

Yeah I just don't think we're gonna see eye-to-eye on this.

 

[massraider]

The thing that bugged me most about this "protest" is that it was senseless, something an angry 16-year-old would do. It was like saying "I don't like that abortion is happening in this country, so I'm gonna take a dump on a baby on live TV." 

This protest is being done in order to get cut from a team he hates. 

That's it. 

If everyone wanted to really punish him, they would ignore this dumb stunt, and let him rot in SF.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Yeah I just don't think we're gonna see eye-to-eye on this.

That's cool. Let me just clarify, because reading the part you quoted sounds unintentionally belittling to a serious topic. I understand the BLM movement. I don't agree with their stance on a lot of things, and am upset at the state of race relations in this country, but I understand why people of color are upset.

i just think Kaep's protest is more of a lazy, not well thought out 'FU' protest of an angry young man. He could have a lot more impact doing something (almost anything) else, if that was his intention. But instead, today, everyone is talking about him and the anthem. Hardly anything being said about reform for police forces, etc. To me, that's pointless, and was really almost inevitable, because of the nature of his protest.

 

[ShamrockPride]

This protest is being done in order to get cut from a team he hates. 

That's it. 

If everyone wanted to really punish him, they would ignore this dumb stunt, and let him rot in SF.

The more I've thought about it the last few days, I've thought about this scenario a few times. It's a damn good theory.

 

[RandyDB]

San Fran should just fine him the equivalent of a game check for conduct putting SF in a bad light.

 

[honky kong]

Not seeing how ISIS terrorists enslaving and killing innocent people (which is deplorable) is any worse than Confederate terrorists enslaving and killing innocent people

Because the Confederates were Americans, dammit!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

At the end of the day I don't care what Kaep says, what Rosie O'Donnell thinks, or what the Dixie Chicks sing about.  In Kaep's case, he is in a league that has a bunch of date rapers, child beaters, and crab leg thieves so....

So you set the bar low for him where you might set others higher? Like a double standard?

Wat?

 

[Sconch]

San Fran should just fine him the equivalent of a game check for conduct putting SF in a bad light.

Yeah, no

 

[[scooter]]

San Fran should just fine him the equivalent of a game check for conduct putting SF in a bad light.

Also half a game check for any player who doesn't put his hand on his heart, and a quarter game check if you don't have both eyes looking reverently at the flag.

 

[Sconch]

Also half a game check for any player who doesn't put his hand on his heart, and a quarter game check if you don't have both eyes looking reverently at the flag.

Blue slushee after the game if you sing along.

 

[Hooper31]

@daveR made a comment in the Shark Pool that I think is worth acknowledging with regard to freedom.  

It always amazes me how much our freedoms mean to people -- until someone chooses to exercise them.  Then, they're told to get in line and become the object of hatred.

 

[jonessed]

@daveR made a comment in the Shark Pool that I think is worth acknowledging with regard to freedom.  

He's free to sit and people are free to think he's a jackass for doing it.

 

[jonessed]

According to reports he had been doing this all preseason, this was the first time it was noticed by the press, so arguably he was still in the mix for the starting job when he began this form of protest.

He hasn't been in the mix for the starting job since the end of last year.

 

[Donkey Derp]

This protest is being done in order to get cut from a team he hates. 

That's it. 

If everyone wanted to really punish him, they would ignore this dumb stunt, and let him rot in SF.

Yes.  It's hilarious reading these people in here defending his actions.  

 

[Hooper31]

He's free to sit and people are free to think he's a jackass for doing it.

Sure, but that's not all that's happening. Saying he's a jackass is one thing. Saying that he's not worthy of having a job, telling him he should love the country on other people's terms or leave,  and threatening him with violent acts is another. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Sure, but that's not all that's happening. Saying he's a jackass is one thing. Saying that he's not worthy of having a job, telling him he should love the country on other people's terms or leave,  and threatening him with violent acts is another. 

The NFL reserves the right to refuse service...

 

[Hooper31]

Yes.  It's hilarious reading these people in here defending his actions.  

I don't see people defending his actions. I see people defending his rights. Are rights only cool when they they're engaging in the right to act by your design?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This protest is being done in order to get cut from a team he hates. 

That's it. 

If everyone wanted to really punish him, they would ignore this dumb stunt, and let him rot in SF.

Bravo, this is pretty good

 

[jonessed]

Sure, but that's not all that's happening. Saying he's a jackass is one thing. Saying that he's not worthy of having a job, telling him he should love the country on other people's terms or leave,  and threatening him with violent acts is another. 

I don't think he's worth an NFL roster spot.  He's a back-up caliber player and a team distraction.

The rest is pretty standard for spouting unpopular opinions in the media.  He'll have to learn to deal with it until he's out of the spotlight.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I don't think he's worth an NFL roster spot.  He's a back-up caliber player and a team distraction.

The rest is pretty standard for spouting unpopular opinions in the media.  He'll have to learn to deal with it until he's out of the spotlight.

What did you think of Ali's refusal to serve in Vietnam in 1967?

 

[jonessed]

What did you think of Ali's refusal to serve in Vietnam in 1967?

I think he should have served his sentence for draft evasion.

 

[Sconch]

Sure, but that's not all that's happening. Saying he's a jackass is one thing. Saying that he's not worthy of having a job, telling him he should love the country on other people's terms or leave,  and threatening him with violent acts is another. 

There was also a nice collection of tweets posted earlier where people were calling him the N word.

 

[Donkey Derp]

I don't see people defending his actions. I see people defending his rights. Are rights only cool when they they're engaging in the right to act by your design?

 

 

[Doctor Detroit]

There was also a nice collection of tweets posted earlier where people were calling him the N word.

I also think he's a Ninny. 

 

[Nugget]

If it weren't for Colin, I may have never heard about these issues in Ferguson, Baltimore, or Baton Rouge.  

I don't recall his protest back in 2014 when he was a starting QB in the NFL.  He has more time now to read the news.

 

[Donkey Derp]

There was also a nice collection of tweets posted earlier where people were calling him the N word.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11574968/lamarr-houston-confirms-colin-kaepernick-used-n-word-chicago-bears-win-san-francisco-49ers

He doesn't have any issue with calling others that name.

 

[Sconch]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11574968/lamarr-houston-confirms-colin-kaepernick-used-n-word-chicago-bears-win-san-francisco-49ers

He doesn't have any issue with calling others that name.

Context is everything 

Houston claims he was not insulted by the racial slur, telling the Tribune that it's a "cultural thing."

 

[jonessed]

Context is everything 

Houston claims he was not insulted by the racial slur, telling the Tribune that it's a "cultural thing."

 

[Courtjester]

I don't see people defending his actions. I see people defending his rights. Are rights only cool when they they're engaging in the right to act by your design?

He has a right to do what he is doing.. People have the right to criticize it and for someone basically dependent on a PR image. he reaps what he sows. 

I stand by he did this so he can play the victim card when he is released or relegated to the bench. 

The bottom line is when you are in the entertainment business (and the NFL is)  this is a beauty pageant, it is a PC-fest.  

Not trying to put politics in it, but when there is some racist statement made by a white NFL guy--he is killed. he is condemned by the media.  I don't think some of you defending Cap would be standing in line to defend that guy, but they are exactly the same. 

The white racist NFL player can have whatever views he wants, Cap can have whatever views he wants and they both deal with the fallout. 

 

[Sconch]

 it's not that hard to understand the difference between two black guys using that word with each other on the football field and some jagoff on Twitter calling CK a "hard R" N word because of his statements and not standing for the anthem.

 

[Apple Jack]

Struggling with that one?

 

[jonessed]

 it's not that hard to understand the difference between two black guys using that word with each other on the football field and some jagoff on Twitter calling CK a "hard R" N word because of his statements and not standing for the anthem.

I don't think either means very much.

 

[Donkey Derp]

 it's not that hard to understand the difference between two black guys using that word with each other on the football field and some jagoff on Twitter calling CK a "hard R" N word because of his statements and not standing for the anthem.

It's not that hard to understand why he shouldn't use that word if he is eventually going to pretend to care about racial relations in America.

 

[Sconch]

It's not that hard to understand why he shouldn't use that word if he is eventually going to pretend to care about racial relations in America.

Yeah, ok

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I think he should have served his sentence for draft evasion.

His sentence was overturned in US Supreme Court.

Do you mean to say that you disagree with Clay vs. United States? Or with the concept of a conscientious objector at all? Some of the earliest Christians refused to fight in the HRE's wars on moral grounds, do you think they should have been punished?

 

[jonessed]

His sentence was overturned in US Supreme Court.

Do you mean to say that you disagree with Clay vs. United States? Or with the concept of a conscientious objector at all? Some of the earliest Christians refused to fight in the HRE's wars on moral grounds, do you think they should have been punished?

He got off on a technicality.  His argument was a farce.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Kaepernick though.

How sweet.  My i-stalker has arrived.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

MOP>Hi

You can retire the Jonessed alias anytime, it has definitely run its course.  Not sure why you have to edit every single post, normal people can develop a thought and lay it out there without having to twist it three or four times.  Godspeed. 

 

[cstu]

America stands for freedom - but if you think you're free - try sitting on the bench during the national anthem - anarchy burger - hold the government

 

[Good Posting Judge]

He got off on a technicality.  His position was a farce.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Kaepernick though.

That technicality wasn't a mis-numbering of pages, it was pretty significant. And we're also  putting aside that curiosity of a 25 year-old getting drafted shortly after he started speaking out against the war at hand, or that the FBI was illegally wiretapping Ali (among many others) at the time.

What do you think one should have to do, if anything, to prove that they are legitimately a conscientious objector? Should Christians who stick hard and fast to the whole "thou shalt not kill" commandment be allowed to conscientiously object?