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Pure Squistion Entertainment (formerly the Colin Kaepernick thread) (1 Viewer)
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Homer J Simpson
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If I ever give half a #### about anything Colin Kaepernick ever does or says or thinks or believes or cooks or wears or drives or reads, please shoot me in the face.
Sconch
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The_Man
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Serious question - if you were drawing up a list for the criteria that define the greatest nation "in the history of civilization," wouldn't it include things like:timschochet said:
Nobody living in poverty (14.5% of Americans do)
Doesn't have the highest incarceration rate in the entire world
High life expectancy rate (US is #31, according to the World Health Organization)
Highest literacy rate (US #7)
Even our military might isn't all that impressive when you compare it to the history of civilization, since our chief adversary could literally destroy our entire civilization in 10 minutes with the push of a button.
Maybe I'm under-rating the intangibles, like good intentions and a can-do spirit.
Ditka Butkus
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Funny I just had that exact same thing happen to me last night.......check it out..
Ditka Butkus
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FDR had good intentions when he put the ss act in place......but some of these programs certainly incentivized sitting at home and not producing...
Carolina Hustler
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This is the best write up on this topic I've found.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/colin-kaepernick-protest-national-anthem-controversy-reaction-dissent-nfl/eickdbzo619k1ke9xuhlvpaj2
"OUTRAGE!!"... grow up...
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/colin-kaepernick-protest-national-anthem-controversy-reaction-dissent-nfl/eickdbzo619k1ke9xuhlvpaj2
"OUTRAGE!!"... grow up...
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higgins
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I can't see how this is even newsworthy. Five decades ago Americans occasionally burned American flags as a protest to the Vietnam war (one American even set himself on fire). And today the media is making a fire storm out of this?!? The NFL season is about to start, and the only thing worse than having this be the lead sports story on Monday... is having it also be the lead sports story on Tuesday.The guy said he didn't mean any disrespect to those who serve in the armed forces.... so what exactly is the big deal? 
jonessed
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Good Posting Judge
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It's a pretty chill protest, tbh.Maybe I'm in the minority but I can't see how this is even newsworthy. Five decades ago Americans occasionally burned American flags as a protest to the Vietnam war (one American even set himself on fire). And today the media is making a fire storm out of this?!? The NFL season is about to start, and the only thing worse than having this be the lead sports story on Monday... is having it also be the lead sports story on Tuesday.The guy said he didn't mean any disrespect to those who serve in the armed forces.... so what exactly is the big deal?
timschochet
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You're under rating a lot. Chiefly that we were the first country on Earth to be created based on ideals rather than ethnicity or geography, and those ideals including individual liberty and a willingness to accept our members from everywhere else on Earth. You're under rating the fact that we were the prime force behind liberating the Earth from the two greatest evils that it ever encountered: first the Third Reich, and later on Soviet Communism. And even now we are the leaders in the fight against a third evil: radical Islam and international terrorism. We are ALWAYS the leaders in these fights, always the nation the rest of the world looks to (incidentally, it's the desire of Donald Trump to retreat from this historical role that concerns me more than anything else about his candidacy.)
Now everything you mentioned (other than the military which I regard as a non sequitur in terms of this discussion) are areas in which we can obviously improve. We are not a perfect society and never will be. And we disagree among ourselves about how best to solve these problems, and which ones to prioritize. That's one of the main drawbacks of a free society and a demovcratic system of government, and a country made up of so many different ethnicities which honors individualism as much as we do. It's a worthy price to pay.
massraider
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You're not in the minority.Maybe I'm in the minority but I can't see how this is even newsworthy. Five decades ago Americans occasionally burned American flags as a protest to the Vietnam war (one American even set himself on fire). And today the media is making a fire storm out of this?!? The NFL season is about to start, and the only thing worse than having this be the lead sports story on Monday... is having it also be the lead sports story on Tuesday.The guy said he didn't mean any disrespect to those who serve in the armed forces.... so what exactly is the big deal?
The problem is the minority is noisy. They are good at Twitter, and memes.
massraider
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Hey, that's great for the history books, but we gonna throw this in everyone's face for another 250 years? What have you done for me lately, ya know?
Hov34
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timschochet
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It would take me too long to describe everything we've done for you lately. But I believe we are greater now than we've ever been. And what I wrote is not ancient history, but absolutely linked to everything about us that creates our greatness.
massraider
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Megaton
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Not at all. I would measure in accomplishments. You know things like going to the moon. Creating the internet. Flying. Mass production. Medical advancements. Saving the world from murderous dictators. Offering aid to the world during disasters. The greatest universities in the world. Creating a system of government which is the model for the rest of the world. America has had 353 Nobel Prize winners, which is nearly three times what the second place country has. America has made the rest of the world a better place to life. Moreso than any other country which ever existed.
Thorn
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Rodney Harrison coming in with this scorching hot take:
"I tell you this, I'm a black man. And Colin Kaepernick -- he's not black,"
"I tell you this, I'm a black man. And Colin Kaepernick -- he's not black,"
Cjw_55106
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I think you are confusing "the greatest" with perfect. They are not the same...or even close for that matter.
Parrothead
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General Malaise
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mr. furley
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a nation of #######, i think. that's what Clint Eastwood taught me when i was a youth.
mr. furley
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MaxThreshold
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
mr. furley
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pro·gres·sive
prəˈɡresiv/
adjective
adjective: progressive
(of a group, person, or idea) favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
"a relatively progressive governor"
favoring or promoting change or innovation.
"a progressive art school"
synonyms:
modern, liberal, advanced, forward-thinking, enlightened, enterprising,innovative, pioneering, dynamic, bold, avant-garde, reforming, reformist, radical;
informalgo-ahead
"progressive views"
antonyms:
conservative, reactionary
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The General
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This thread is a real treat to read 
avoiding injuries
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It seems like 11% of the voters have 75% of the posts.
TobiasFunke
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When I first heard what Kaepernick did, my initial thought wasn't "good for him" or "what an #######." It was glee at the prospect of the forthcoming hot takes. And neither the media nor the FFA has disappointed.This thread is a real treat to read
mr. furley
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Limp Ditka
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TobiasFunke
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MaxThreshold
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Please point out "intellectual".
And why any of these terms would apply to liberals/democrats in the political sense should be the real question because none of them describe or even come close to the modern liberal at all.
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TobiasFunke
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I am starting to suspect that you might harbor negative feelings towards those who fall left of center on the political spectrum.
MaxThreshold
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Dickies
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Why do we scare you? Seems silly to be scared of roughly 30% of the country.Liberals scare me (as they should everyone). And being scared makes me lash out.
mr. furley
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approximately 55% of the US understands the words "forward thinking", "enlightened", "pioneering" and "dynamic" to be equated with intellect.
an antonym to progressive" is "conservative". Republicans = Conservatives = dumb
WINNING
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mr. furley
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honky kong
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Of course they do. You guys are scared of your own shadow.Liberals scare me (as they should everyone). And being scared makes me lash out.
MaxThreshold
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RBM
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squistion
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Military Vets Take to Twitter in Support of 49ers QB:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/VeteransForKaepernick?src=tren
Some examples:
Charles ClymerVerified account @cmclymer 4h4 hours ago
Don't use my service--or that of any veteran--to justify the silencing of black Americans. Not on my watch.
McAnthony Brisco @Bcounty510 45m45 minutes ago
8 Years Active Duty. Twice in the sandbox. He can sit or stand as long as the flag waves.#VeteransForKaepernick
Matthew J. Hughes @mjhughes707 1h1 hour ago California, USA
Patriots fight for what is right, so tell me again how@Kaepernick7's actions disrespect us #VeteransForKaepernick
https://twitter.com/hashtag/VeteransForKaepernick?src=tren
Some examples:
Charles ClymerVerified account
Don't use my service--or that of any veteran--to justify the silencing of black Americans. Not on my watch.
McAnthony Brisco
8 Years Active Duty. Twice in the sandbox. He can sit or stand as long as the flag waves.
Matthew J. Hughes
Patriots fight for what is right, so tell me again how
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TobiasFunke
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Gotta admit #veteransforkaepernick is pretty cool. One of the better uses of social media that I can remember, and the kind of thing that can make you feel pretty patriotic even in the midst of this dreadful 2016 election.
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massraider
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Misguided, outraged patriotism is so Damn boring, and it's cluttering my Twitter feed.
honky kong
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Not as short, but pretty damned strong....
https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/1084172264951509
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
I've been away from the internet all day.
I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.
One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem.
Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.
As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.
Yeah. Okay.
I answered the message and went on to the next one.
The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...
They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well?
Let me answer all the messages at once
__________
AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?
As a veteran?
Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:
The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.
If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.
Respect cannot be compelled.
Respect cannot be bought.
Respect cannot be inherited.
Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect. Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.
Respect has to be earned.
Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.
Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.
It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.
It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.
You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one. To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.
There are no short cuts. None.
Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.
IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it.
You can not make him respect it.
If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.
With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.
But that's not respect.
It's only the illusion of respect.
You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.
That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran.
Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.
That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.
If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.
If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.
America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.
But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?
No. It doesn't.
Respect doesn't work that way.
Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.
The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.
All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.
To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.
A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.
You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.
It's really just that simple.
mr. furley
Footballguy
it says so right there in the definition. look harder.MaxThreshold said:
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