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Pure Squistion Entertainment (formerly the Colin Kaepernick thread) (1 Viewer)
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honky kong
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Limp Ditka
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RBM
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K-stink trying to fix the damage. Attacks the criminal Hillary. 
“We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate,” he said, referring to the 15,000 emails Clinton “wiped” from her private, unsecured server she used during her tenure as secretary of State. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”
“If it was any other person, they’d be in prison,” he said.” So what is this country really standing for?”
“We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate,” he said, referring to the 15,000 emails Clinton “wiped” from her private, unsecured server she used during her tenure as secretary of State. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”
“If it was any other person, they’d be in prison,” he said.” So what is this country really standing for?”
tommyboy
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I actually agree with that.K-stink trying to fix the damage. Attacks the criminal Hillary.
“We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate,” he said, referring to the 15,000 emails Clinton “wiped” from her private, unsecured server she used during her tenure as secretary of State. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”
“If it was any other person, they’d be in prison,” he said.” So what is this country really standing for?”
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Why is the NFL shoving political statements down our throats every game? Time for this crap to stop.
cstu
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“We have a quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers who has played played poorly and is still the starter,” cstu said, referring to the 10-14 record and 82 QB rating he has produced during his tenure as quarterback the past two years. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”K-stink trying to fix the damage. Attacks the criminal Hillary.
“We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate,” he said, referring to the 15,000 emails Clinton “wiped” from her private, unsecured server she used during her tenure as secretary of State. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”
“If it was any other person, they’d be in prison,” he said.” So what is this country really standing for?”
roadkill1292
Footballguy
That shouldn't be the least we expect.
I hope half the players sit down this week and keep on sitting until the league discontinues its phony celebrations of military power.
jonessed
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At least he's consistent. More than a few of the "the US doesn't deserve respect" dooshes in here will still vote for her.K-stink trying to fix the damage. Attacks the criminal Hillary.
“We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate,” he said, referring to the 15,000 emails Clinton “wiped” from her private, unsecured server she used during her tenure as secretary of State. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”
“If it was any other person, they’d be in prison,” he said.” So what is this country really standing for?”
jonessed
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It's not a celebration of military power. It's a celebration of those who have fought and died for the rights we have.
roadkill1292
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It's not a celebration by the NFL at all, it's a shameless attempt to glom on to whatever respect the military has earned for itself over the decades. "See, here's all that's right with the country -- our brave soldiers and the goodness that is pro football."
End it now.
honky kong
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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The NFL actually makes money from those "Salute to the Forces" events. Which is, IMO, a lot more distasteful than someone choosing not to stand for the national anthem. YMMV.
Baloney Sandwich
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I'm with Rodney Harrison, I didn't realize he was black either
Megaton
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Is there a problem with that? Is there a limit on paying respect to our soldiers and the values of our country? I fail to see any downside to playing the national anthem. I have yet to hear one decent argument for stopping the national anthem from being played.
Megaton
Footballguy
That is distasteful. I think it is a team by team basis, but it is not good. The military justifies paying it to promote recruiting, but it makes those tributes phony.
Sconch
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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I think they can play it or not play it. But I think that patriotism is a matter of personal conscience and it becomes unseemly when we publically judge people for matters of conscience. I recognize that I'm a minority in that position.
roadkill1292
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Way to ignore the rest of the post and twist its meaning. Sorry you don't like the arguments against playing the anthem. You not liking them doesn't make them bad ones, though.
roadkill1292
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Being in the minority position in this issue doesn't make it the wrong position. Wish we could get the OP to recognize that simple fact but he's over at the oth:e:r board threatening to beat up other posters.
Sconch
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Megaton
Footballguy
You could say that taking a stance on any issue is a matter of personal conscience, and yet we make judgments every day on the positions people take. I am not sure why patriotism is an issue which requires special protection.
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jonessed
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I guess I'm just not as cynical as you. A sporting event is really just a large social gathering. I don't find it odd that we play the national anthem or display patriotism. It's not like it's a uniquely American thing.
Warrior
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jonessed
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I don't understand why the size of the social gathering at a sporting event is germane to this topic. I've been to concerts, plays, outdoor church services, weddings, funerals, birthdya parties, raves and never once has the National Anthem been played at the event.
roadkill1292
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Well, I'd rather they didn't play it at social gatherings I attend, either. But it's a little too forgiving of anyone who doesn't see the connection between "patriotism" and the NFL a contrived one. This is marketing at its most shameless.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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As Sam Borden points out in the Times, national anthems are not typically played before sporting events in other leagues around the world. It is a pretty uniquely American thing that appears to have started with baseball and was thus already an American sporting tradition by the time the other major sports leagues were started.
jonessed
Footballguy
I've seen patriotism shown at some concerts, funerals, big picnics. Not at all events and not always in the same way.
If you don't like the national anthem at sporting events you can always petition the NFL, MLB, NBA, IOC, etc. to get it removed.
honky kong
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Limp Ditka
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squistion
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And underlying racism in many instances, too, although they try not to be obvious about it.
Megaton
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It does not make the arguments good either. Just calling it shameless marketing is not really an argument against. For the marketing to be successful, wouldn't people have to like it? They play it because patriotism sells. Again, there are no real good arguments against. This is a free country and sports team do it because it is a tradition most people like.
Sorry you don't like the arguments against playing the anthem. You not liking them doesn't make them bad ones, though.
SWC
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hes like a billion actually i think he was here before the anthem so he can say whatever he wants take that to the bank bromigo
jonessed
Footballguy
It's not really silent when you do it in a way that grabs as much attention as possible.
I don't think his protest is un-American anyway. I just don't think it's sincere. I think he's a selfish, petulant jackass that wants to be traded and he's piggy-backing this issue. I've always though he was a selfish, petulant jackass though so that part hasn't changed much.
What if I remain seated during the anthem as it plays before a football game, am I unpatriotic?
jonessed
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What are some examples of underlying racism in this thread (or the Shark Pool thread)?
avoiding injuries
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Well, I wouldn't say you were being patriotic. Unless there was an underlying reason you remained seated. Lazy?
jonessed
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TobiasFunke
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One could actually argue that he did it in a way that grabbed as little attention as possible. In fact he's done it before at least once (earlier in the preseason) and nobody noticed. It only came to people's attention because a reporter noticed he wasn't standing and asked him about it in a postgame interview.
Just out of curiosity- what facts led you to conclude that he did this in a way that grabbed as much attention as possible?
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