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Kaep Sitting for Anthem


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How is that at all cynical?  Seems obvious.  The cameras are why they chose the protest avenue they did.
From the PFT article:

The exchange, along with Nantz’s suggestion that “fairness” in some way required the footage to be shown, could be interpreted as an effort to underscore the perception that those who stand for the anthem (or who sing God Bless America) are patriotic — and that those who don’t aren’t.

The protesting players (and many others) believe that there’s nothing unpatriotic about exercising the right to protest the anthem. It’s easier to argue that the protesters lack patriotism when starting with the premise that the players are doing it simply for attention and not because of deeper issues and concerns.

The notion that it’s a look-at-me gesture obscures the reality that the issue began when Colin Kaepernick sat for the anthem during a pair of preseason games and no one noticed because he wasn’t in uniform. That theory also includes a degree of cynicism that undermines the message Kaepernick and others are trying to send regarding the treatment of African-Americans and people of color by some (not all or most or many but some) police officers and regarding the training requirements that allow a person to serve on the front lines of law enforcement with a badge and a gun.

 
From the PFT article:

The exchange, along with Nantz’s suggestion that “fairness” in some way required the footage to be shown, could be interpreted as an effort to underscore the perception that those who stand for the anthem (or who sing God Bless America) are patriotic — and that those who don’t aren’t.

The protesting players (and many others) believe that there’s nothing unpatriotic about exercising the right to protest the anthem. It’s easier to argue that the protesters lack patriotism when starting with the premise that the players are doing it simply for attention and not because of deeper issues and concerns.

The notion that it’s a look-at-me gesture obscures the reality that the issue began when Colin Kaepernick sat for the anthem during a pair of preseason games and no one noticed because he wasn’t in uniform. That theory also includes a degree of cynicism that undermines the message Kaepernick and others are trying to send regarding the treatment of African-Americans and people of color by some (not all or most or many but some) police officers and regarding the training requirements that allow a person to serve on the front lines of law enforcement with a badge and a gun.
A lot of assumptions baked into that analysis.

 
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A lot of assumptions baked into that analysis.
Not really. Some other opinions on that: https://twitter.com/search?q=jim nantz&src=tyah

LADØWVerified account @anthonyladao 36m36 minutes ago

Jim Nantz isn't that the point of a protest?

That's like saying as long as they keep making footballs they are going to play football

rolandsmartinVerified account @rolandsmartin 1h1 hour ago

So Jim Nantz throwing shade at national anthem protesters?

Hey, Jim, @Kaepernick7 was doing it when the cameras weren't present!

 
Not really. Some other opinions on that: https://twitter.com/search?q=jim nantz&src=tyah

LADØWVerified account @anthonyladao 36m36 minutes ago

Jim Nantz isn't that the point of a protest?

That's like saying as long as they keep making footballs they are going to play football

rolandsmartinVerified account @rolandsmartin 1h1 hour ago

So Jim Nantz throwing shade at national anthem protesters?

Hey, Jim, @Kaepernick7 was doing it when the cameras weren't present!
The article is reading into things he didn't say, but those assumptions are accurate because some people on Twitter agree?  Seriously?  What is wrong with you?

 
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The article is reading into things he didn't say, but those assumptions are accurate because some people on Twitter agree?  Seriously?  What is wrong with you?
Of course not. :lol:  I love this stock response, "So, if someone says on Twitter it makes it true?"

 
Albert Breer had a pretty good and fair piece on Kaepernick this week.  
 

A few Cowboys staffers scattered about midfield. This was 11 days ago, and hour before kickoff in Santa Clara. They were watching the Niners warm up, trying to pick up the little things football people can in these quick glimpses. Colin Kaepernick didn’t look exactly like the cyborg he was when he took the NFL by storm four years ago. But skinny as he was, he threw the ball well and Dallas knew what he could do with his feet.

All of which could only lead to one conclusion.

“He didn’t look his best, but he did look like their best quarterback,” said one Cowboy coach. “We were happy to play against [Blaine] Gabbert instead of him.”

Maybe that was a fear of the unknown. Maybe it was the idea that, somewhere deep in there, the guy who terrorized NFL defenses for a season-and-a-half could once again be summoned. (Maybe it was just that facing the previous three weeks of Gabbert would be preferable to most anything else the Niners rolled out there.)

Whatever it was, and whatever it is, that’s what Rex Ryan and his red-hot Bills will be facing this week.

But there’s nothing as intriguing as the mystery that will unfold in Orchard Park, N.Y. on Sunday. If you let yourself get swept away in it, it’s easy to forget that Kaepernick was the league’s 30th-ranked passer over the 2014 and ’15 seasons, and that the 49ers are 3-10 in his last 13 starts. Still, while coaches will tell you that the chances Kaepernick will reprise the 2012 version of himself are slim, that sliver of a chance of it happening is frightening, given that he’s now playing in an offense tailor-made for his talents.

Upon the hiring of Chip Kelly last year, one rival defensive coordinator explained it to me like this: “I think he’s a good enough passer, but obviously what’ll be a nightmare is his ability to run. That offense is straight Freddy Krueger when you have a QB that can pull the ball and run.” Another defensive coach added that combining him with spread-friendly tailback Carlos Hyde “could be scary.”

The operative word, could. I think we should all be pretty pumped to see what actually is once Kaepernick is out there. And with that in mind, here’s how I see this situation, and what’s on the line, for the four main characters in this special brand of horror flick (though it’s unclear who will be most frightened): Kaepernick, Kelly, Gabbert and general manager Trent Baalke.

Kaepernick. Last year, at least two teams who did research on Kaepernick had serious questions about whether he even wanted to play football anymore. On the field, Kaepernick’s issues as a passer manifested soon after defenses found ways to corral the Nevada-inspired pistol package former 49ers OC Greg Roman installed to establish a comfort level for the raw signal-caller.

Now, Kaepernick gets to play in a scheme that has made superstars of fleet-of-foot QBs like Marcus Mariota at the college level, and seems to be built for him. Conversely, he’ll have to be a better chain-mover—it’s a requirement of Kelly’s tempo offense, because failure to pick up first downs puts the defense in an impossible spot. Improvement week-to-week would show he is, in fact, engaged as a football player. If he fails in a system so suited for him—“This offense gives him the best chance, no doubt,” said one Niners source—the idea that he isn’t an NFL quarterback will be bolstered. So yes, his career is on the line, particularly with free agency beckoning as a result of his new reworked deal.

One other interesting aspect is that even his coaches don’t know what to expect. Because he was so limited by injury in spring and summer, they went into the season without a clear picture of who he was. The first month of the season, as the backup, he was getting about two reps out of every 10 the offense took in practice. So this is the first week they’ll even get a decent look at him.

Kelly. Two days after Kaepernick’s national anthem protest came to light, Kelly, Baalke and those in football ops set up a 7 a.m. meeting between the Niners’ player engagement staff and squad leaders Gabbert, Hyde, Antoine Bethea, Joe Staley, Phil Dawson, Torrey Smith, Glenn Dorsey, NaVorro Bowman, and Ahmad Brooks. A couple hours later, the squad leaders led a players-only meeting to discuss things. 

This is why Kelly was an enormous beneficiary of Kaepernick taking a stand. In Philly, Kelly was dogged by accusations of racism, something those who know him best felt was way off-base. But those questions lingered. And maybe they’d have lingered longer if this situation didn’t arise organically, giving the coach the chance to, as one Niner put it, “show who he really is.”

So I think Kelly has already won with his handling of the quarterbacks over the last six weeks, even if it hasn’t added up to many wins for the rebuilding Niners. On the football side of it, he’s now gotten a pretty thorough look at Gabbert, and now will get one of Kaepernick. 

Gabbert. This one has been, to say the least, frustrating for the Niners. Gabbert has clearly grown up since his time in Jacksonville, and evolved into one of the hardest workers on the team and a leader. He looks great in practice. He has the physical skills required in Kelly’s offense.

It’s all there. And it just hasn’t carried over to the game field.

Just as the Niners are hoping Kaepernick, who hasn’t been overly impressive in practice, finds another gear under the stadium lights, they now have an idea that those game conditions reveal a different Gabbert than they were hoping for.

In the end, because of his physical ability, work ethic, and the value of the position, Gabbert will probably make a lot of money as a backup in the coming years. But it’s hard to envision him ever being more than a fill-in starter somewhere down the line.

Baalke. Kaepernick has always viewed himself as a Jim Harbaugh draft pick who the GM didn’t really want, and the trust issues that have always been there only metastasized with time. One source said that after last season, with the quarterback rehabbing his shoulder and his injury guarantee up in the air, “the relationship couldn’t have been worse.”

What I can say is that people around Kaepernick have viewed the issues there as irreparable for a few years now, and I’m not sure his return to the lineup will change that.

Either way, the state of the roster—“It’s one of the three worst in the league, along with Cleveland and Chicago,” is how one rival exec assessed it—has Baalke in the crosshairs. And his relationships with others in the building could certainly swing whether or not ownership decides to stay the course with Baalke, or turn to assistant GM Tom Gamble or someone on the outside to replace him after the season.






 
I'm streaming the Buffalo D this week and I'll admit I'm worried. I always liked Kaep coming out of college. I could really do without the pig socks, though, like I've said before.

 
I'm streaming the Buffa.lo D this week and I'll admit I'm worried. I always liked Kaep coming out of college. I could really do without the pig socks, though, like I've said before.
Probably a good play. He is rusty, has lost weight and was not exactly striking fear into the hearts of defensive coordinators in the preseason.

The wild card is that he might use all the criticism against him to focus intensely (instead of choking) and turn in what may be viewed in retrospect as his best performance since the year the 49ers went to the Super Bowl (unlikely, but possible).

I picked him up in most of my Dynasty leagues for next to nothing and expectations are low, but who knows where he will be playing next year.

 
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can we get back to the anthem?

im still outraged.  :rant:
Good point. Here is the specific response of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's comments regarding Kaepernick:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-apologizes-colin-kaepernick/index.html

Ruth Bader Ginsburg apologizes to Colin Kaepernick after criticizing anthem protest

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In a statement released by the court's public information officer, Ginsburg said she had been "barely aware of the incident or its purpose" and that she should have "declined to respond" when asked the question by Yahoo's Katie Couric.

 
"Some of you have inquired about a book interview in which I was asked how I felt about Colin Kaepernick and other NFL players who refused to stand for the national anthem," Ginsburg said. "Barely aware of the incident or its purpose, my comments were inappropriately dismissive and harsh. I should have declined to respond."


 
I almost feel bad for someone who knows this little.

Smith had 3 steps on the defender, he doesn't understand stuff like this.
The guy has been out awhile and has not done much work with the first team, so one would expect him to be a bit rusty with the timing a bit off to begin with. He can get the ball down the field which Gabbert with his noodle arm was incapable of - that is why is the starter now.

 
The guy has been out awhile and has not done much work with the first team, so one would expect him to be a bit rusty with the timing a bit off to begin with. He can get the ball down the field which Gabbert with his noodle arm was incapable of - that is why is the starter now.
He has lost a lot of weight and muscle strength which is a big reason he didn't start :mellow:  

 
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He almost missed him, there wasn't a player within 15 yards, I would've enjoyed that.

We can't win anything if we want to keep pace with the Browns.

 
Assuming you are a Niners fan, why are you rooting so hard for him to fail?  
He's obviously not the long term answer at QB and, to the extent he helps them win any games, it just makes it harder for the team to be able to get a franchise guy in the draft. 

 
He's obviously not the long term answer at QB and, to the extent he helps them win any games, it just makes it harder for the team to be able to get a franchise guy in the draft. 
This, plus he's been such a ####ty leader, pretty easy to root against as I have been since well before the anthem shenanigans.

 
This, plus he's been such a ####ty leader, pretty easy to root against as I have been since well before the anthem shenanigans.
A ####ty leader?  Again it seems silly to me.  If this guy comes back and puts up Tom Brady numbers and the team makes the playoffs you are still going to hate him?  

Teams don't usually transform from a #1 overall pick.  Badly run teams continue to be badly run teams for years.

 
A ####ty leader?  Again it seems silly to me.  If this guy comes back and puts up Tom Brady numbers and the team makes the playoffs you are still going to hate him?  

Teams don't usually transform from a #1 overall pick.  Badly run teams continue to be badly run teams for years.
If you have read anything about him you would know there had been a lot of info that says he has issues in the locker room with his teammates even before this season.

 
Who in here has followed this team their entire life? Most that have are aware he isn't the answer.

Some of these comments are so off they're shocking, fairytales maybe.

Dickies, I'll give you 8-1 that he doesn't lead them to the playoffs and take action on any dollar amount you like.

That offer is good to anyone else in here.

 
Who in here has followed this team their entire life? Most that have are aware he isn't the answer.

Some of these comments are so off they're shocking, fairytales maybe.

Dickies, I'll give you 8-1 that he doesn't lead them to the playoffs and take action on any dollar amount you like.

That offer is good to anyone else in here.
I seriously doubt he will either, just saying it seems strange to root against the guy leading your team.

 
I seriously doubt he will either, just saying it seems strange to root against the guy leading your team.
When you know he is def not the answer and the current state of the team is hopeless, a complete shakeup & some early first rounders are your only chance.

I wanted the first pick going into this season, nothing has really changed that point of view :shrug:

 
Assuming you are a Niners fan, why are you rooting so hard for him to fail?  
He definitely has some issues with Kaep and I suspect it has something to do with race (from reading between the lines) but I have nothing really specific that I can't point to.

In any event, for whatever reason, he really has an axe to grind with this player and his animosity would seem to go beyond his not getting along with teammates or playing poorly in recent years. There are players, coaches, ex-coaches or ex-players I dislike for a variety of reasons, but I can't go so far as to say I actually hate any of them on a personal level, like the OP. From earlier in the thread:

I hate him, I've hated him, I've documented my disdain for this guy for years here. This just adds to my fire. He's just such a gigantic piece of garbage in every possible aspect, yet I read columns in the NY Daily News about the great stand this guy is taking, it's angering.

He just finds a new way to continually top it. Maybe he's the greatest troll on Earth? IDK, but #### him! 

 
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