Put the Trent Richardson pipe down! (1 Viewer)

[MAC_32]

Took him at 3.02 in my redraft last night. Paired him with Ray Rice with Greene as my 3rd RB. I can whether the storm until he carries the load.The question is whether Hardesty is roster worthy in shallow leagues?

I considered putting a claim in for Hardesty as my 5th RB in a 12 team dyno (5 RB max, but with a taxi squad full of 1st and 2nd year RB's) and pulled my claim after Friday's game. He's the same lousy Hardesty he was last year, ignore the early season camp reports. No explosion, no burst, no creativity - just runs into the line and spins, often. His best runs will be 5-6 yards and will be offset by all the fumbles and dropped passes. Jackson better emerge as the change of pace guy...

 

[miqws]

Took him at 3.02 in my redraft last night. Paired him with Ray Rice with Greene as my 3rd RB. I can whether the storm until he carries the load.The question is whether Hardesty is roster worthy in shallow leagues?

I considered putting a claim in for Hardesty as my 5th RB in a 12 team dyno (5 RB max, but with a taxi squad full of 1st and 2nd year RB's) and pulled my claim after Friday's game. He's the same lousy Hardesty he was last year, ignore the early season camp reports. No explosion, no burst, no creativity - just runs into the line and spins, often. His best runs will be 5-6 yards and will be offset by all the fumbles and dropped passes. Jackson better emerge as the change of pace guy...

Good info, Hardesty then at best RB3 IMO if Richardson is out. Blech, rather take my chances with someone like Mike Goodson if available.

 

[DoubleG]

The LT comparison is solid.

First off, their respective measurables are very close - virtually identical. LT2 (at draft time) was 5' 10" at 221 lbs. He ran a 4.38 40. His junior year in college (which is when Trent came out) he had 1850 rushing yards and 18 TDs. Trent is 5' 9.25" at 228 lbs. He ran a 4.45 40 and rushed for 1740 and 21 TDs his junior year. Both are excellent pass catchers. LT2 was probably a bit quicker, but Trent is stronger and has a few pounds on LT.

While many are comparing Trent to ADP, I think the LT2 comp is much closer.

 

[Clifford]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

 

[GreenNGold]

9 days until the disappointment begins!

 

[LHUCKS]

9 days until the disappointment begins!

 

[duaneok66]

still no reports of Richardson practicing or even running, unless I missed something.

 

[LHUCKS]

still no reports of Richardson practicing or even running, unless I missed something.

that's okay, he's a steal his current ADP. :sharkpool:

 

[duaneok66]

seriously, the lack of reporting on a major fantasy guy like Richardson is shocking.

 

[pghrob]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

 

[gregjcross]

I can certainly understand your points but I disagree with many of them. That isnt to say that Richardson will be a star or won't be, but....

1. Richardson and Ingram are different players. Im not sure how last years trumpeting of Ingram applies to Richardson unless it is a point about the staffs ability to rate rookies. If so id point out that we were also down on cam newton iirc but were high on mike Williams, Clinton Portis, randy mcmichael, Aaron Hernandez, on and on. We miss on some. We get a lot right. Not sure how missing on one player at a position one year sets an absolute precedent for a completely different player in another year.

2. Cleveland and new Orleans are different teams. We ignored a lot of signs about Ingram (as someone else mentioned above). The ONLY sign out of Cleveland that could be a bad thing is that hardesty is playing well in practice and preseason. So I suppose he could take some carries from Richardson. But otherwise the team traded up to take him 3rd, has a solid line, has been talking about running a ton, and has a fairly recent history of having great fantasy production from the backfield.

3. I'm sorry Ingram didn't work out for you last year, But his production was far from awful. He was banged up a lot and wasn't used as much as was expected. But if you take what he actually did on the field there is ample reason to think that our "miss" was in evaluating his situation, not his talent.

Skipping on Richardson at his current adp isn't likely to lose you your league. But selecting him in round 4 and getting top 10 production is exactly the kind of thing that can win you your league.

Should be fun to see it play out.

I think his point is that the FBG staff tends to overrate rookies, and not just a little bit. I think this is a function of footballguys coming up during the Edge, Fred Taylor, Curtis Martin era of rookie production. Truth is, rookie RBs haven't put up those type of numbers lately. And in the scramble to "discover" the next great thing, they put forth what amounts to hyperbole and unobtainable hype. Instead of doing the actual work that made you the best resource, you are forming opinions and rationalizing them. I've noticed it for a couple years now and I've been on this site since it was Mr. Football and the yellow boards. You've got great tools here, and your infrastructure is unparalleled, but your analysis and hype isn't as good any more.

I think the OP was offensive but right about this hyping phenomenon -- Ive personally been seeing the hype on Doug Martin and its equally surprising. He is the "Next Ray Rice" except that R Rice was barely relevant to anyone but Dynasty owners in his rookie year as he backed up Willis McGahee. Proven Vets at RB right now are outclassing new blood. If Trent Richardson or Doug Martin turns that around I'll be surprised because Tampa and Cleveland are not the high rent district of the NFL.

 

[GreenNGold]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

If you want someone with Adrian Peterson like talent in the 2nd round.... why not just draft Adrian Peterson himself in the 2nd round? He is healthier and has already proven himself. Your concerns about Richardson are very valid, yet you try to discount them like they are nothing and pray for a miracle instead. Take a stud in the 2nd round not a bust. LHUCKS said it best: "The first three rounds should be about avoiding busts, not finding them."

 

[bengalbuck]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast when he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season. I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

 

[Multiple Scores]

As soon as Richardson puts up huge numbers it will be time for LHucks and GreenandGold to eat some crow.

 

[GreenNGold]

As soon as Richardson puts up huge numbers it will be time for LHucks and GreenandGold to eat some crow.

I doubt he will ever have multiple scores.

 

[GreenNGold]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast when he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season. I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

 

[Abspara]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast when he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season. I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

Maybe. But one things for certain is that the Browns will also be looking for concrete wins, especially with a new owner who is likely going to be looking for any reason to fire someone and bring in his regime. That means Holmgren and Shurmur will be doing anything and everything to put a win on the board, and not necessarily generate "momentum". With the Browns defense as putrid as it is, that means they'll be passing...ALOT. The Browns will likely be playing from behind for the majority of their match ups this year. Giving it to the Richardson AKA "the chosen one" and letting him burn down the clock won't help them win when they are trying to catch up. Not many teams, if any at all, let their RB move the chains when they are trailing from behind. It just eats the clock far to quickly. Unfortunately that's just the way it will probably play out barring any unexpected offensive and defensive surges that will let Cleveland control the clock for most of the game. Cleveland may have a few games where they can get Richardson out early and gain some carries and yards, but make no mistake..Cleveland will fail on Defense and their offense will have to pass. I wish Richardson the best but he's on a very bad team.

 

[Mile High]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast when he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season.

I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.

And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

Maybe. But one things for certain is that the Browns will also be looking for concrete wins, especially with a new owner who is likely going to be looking for any reason to fire someone and bring in his regime. That means Holmgren and Shurmur will be doing anything and everything to put a win on the board, and not necessarily generate "momentum". With the Browns defense as putrid as it is, that means they'll be passing...ALOT. The Browns will likely be playing from behind for the majority of their match ups this year.

Giving it to the Richardson AKA "the chosen one" and letting him burn down the clock won't help them win when they are trying to catch up. Not many teams, if any at all, let their RB move the chains when they are trailing from behind. It just eats the clock far to quickly.

Unfortunately that's just the way it will probably play out barring any unexpected offensive and defensive surges that will let Cleveland control the clock for most of the game. Cleveland may have a few games where they can get Richardson out early and gain some carries and yards, but make no mistake..Cleveland will fail on Defense and their offense will have to pass.

I wish Richardson the best but he's on a very bad team.

In 2010 Cleveland was 5-11 yet they had a RB who had over 1600 total yards and 13 TDs

 

[DoubleG]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast when he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season. I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

Maybe. But one things for certain is that the Browns will also be looking for concrete wins, especially with a new owner who is likely going to be looking for any reason to fire someone and bring in his regime. That means Holmgren and Shurmur will be doing anything and everything to put a win on the board, and not necessarily generate "momentum". With the Browns defense as putrid as it is, that means they'll be passing...ALOT. The Browns will likely be playing from behind for the majority of their match ups this year. Giving it to the Richardson AKA "the chosen one" and letting him burn down the clock won't help them win when they are trying to catch up. Not many teams, if any at all, let their RB move the chains when they are trailing from behind. It just eats the clock far to quickly. Unfortunately that's just the way it will probably play out barring any unexpected offensive and defensive surges that will let Cleveland control the clock for most of the game. Cleveland may have a few games where they can get Richardson out early and gain some carries and yards, but make no mistake..Cleveland will fail on Defense and their offense will have to pass. I wish Richardson the best but he's on a very bad team.

I don't think many of us disagree on the points you made. There are two factors to keep in mind:1) Richardson can catch - he had 7 receiving TDs to go along with his 35 rushing TD in college. The point being, he will be a 3 down back at some point.2) MJD did okay on a bad Jags team.Now, in redraft, he should be falling. He will likely miss a game or two. But the silliness in this thread about "he will never have multiple scores" is simply ludicrous.

 

[pghrob]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast ahem he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season. I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

Maybe. But one things for certain is that the Browns will also be looking for concrete wins, especially with a new owner who is likely going to be looking for any reason to fire someone and bring in his regime. That means Holmgren and Shurmur will be doing anything and everything to put a win on the board, and not necessarily generate "momentum". With the Browns defense as putrid as it is, that means they'll be passing...ALOT. The Browns will likely be playing from behind for the majority of their match ups this year. Giving it to the Richardson AKA "the chosen one" and letting him burn down the clock won't help them win when they are trying to catch up. Not many teams, if any at all, let their RB move the chains when they are trailing from behind. It just eats the clock far to quickly. Unfortunately that's just the way it will probably play out barring any unexpected offensive and defensive surges that will let Cleveland control the clock for most of the game. Cleveland may have a few games where they can get Richardson out early and gain some carries and yards, but make no mistake..Cleveland will fail on Defense and their offense will have to pass. I wish Richardson the best but he's on a very bad team.

Don't underestimate however, the benefit of a good ball control offense that has a running game that can eat clock and give the defense a breather.Eta I did a bad job explaining the obvious.Sort of a what comes first, the chicken or the egg. The ability for them to control the clock with Trent may keep the game close, preventing blow outs.

 

[Zeff]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

If you want someone with Adrian Peterson like talent in the 2nd round.... why not just draft Adrian Peterson himself in the 2nd round? He is healthier and has already proven himself. Your concerns about Richardson are very valid, yet you try to discount them like they are nothing and pray for a miracle instead. Take a stud in the 2nd round not a bust. LHUCKS said it best: "The first three rounds should be about avoiding busts, not finding them."

LHUCKS also said you should pass on Tom Brady to pick Darren McFadden in the first round of your draft. Neither the bust comment, nor the McFadden one are all that idiotic on their own. Both are valid ways to approach things. But Hucks is talking out of both sides of his ###, trying desperately to make sure he gets something right.

 

[Multiple Scores]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

If you want someone with Adrian Peterson like talent in the 2nd round.... why not just draft Adrian Peterson himself in the 2nd round? He is healthier and has already proven himself. Your concerns about Richardson are very valid, yet you try to discount them like they are nothing and pray for a miracle instead. Take a stud in the 2nd round not a bust. LHUCKS said it best: "The first three rounds should be about avoiding busts, not finding them."

Quoting LHucks? Isn't he the guy with an all value team? The guys track record for fantasy is horrible. I'm glad he hates Trent, it means he will be great. Pretty much the opposite of what he predicts happens.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

seriously, the lack of reporting on a major fantasy guy like Richardson is shocking.

I didn't realize this, but you are right. I can't find ANYTHING since 8/25. I am a Richardson backer but am taking that as bad news. Regarding the banged up guys and whether they will play Week 1, I think Jene Bramel said that if you don't see reports of practicing etc. then you should be very dubious of their availability right away.The other interesting thing for me is regarding Adrian Peterson. Someone (Bloom?) retweeted a statement that Minny is only keeping TWO RBs on their roster. If true-I find it hard to believe, actually-then I will be formally moving ADP ahead of Richardson on my board. I'm probably just catching up to the rest of the world there, but I'm slow sometimes.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Found it

Sigmund Bloom ‏@SigmundBloom

The #Vikings only carry two running backs into the season opener... Adrian Peterson game-time decision, my ###.

 

[Mile High]

Found it

Sigmund Bloom ‏@SigmundBloom

The #Vikings only carry two running backs into the season opener... Adrian Peterson game-time decision, my ###.

That's crazy. Bump Harvin

 

[wadegarrett]

Cleveland Browns running back Trent Richardson back outside on exercise bike today

Saturday, September 01, 2012, 1:56 PM

Cleveland.com

BEREA, Ohio -- There's been a T-Rich sighting.

Browns running back Trent Richardson was outside riding the exercise bike today during for the first time since undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his left knee Aug. 9.

It means he's one step closer to returning to the practice field.

Richardson, the No. 3 overall pick, has mostly been running inside during his rehab, including in the pool. Browns coach Pat Shurmur said last week he's "very optimistic'' that Richardson will play Sept. 9 against the Eagles, but he also stressed that the team would follow medical protocal and play him only when Richardson is ready.

If Richardson can't start, either Montario Hardesty or Brandon Jackson would start in his place. Their other running back Chris Ogbonnaya, is still recovering from a high ankle sprain and is sitting out practice today.

Browns coach Pat Shurmur will be available for comment after practice at about 2:15 p.m. today.

Link

 

[CrazyFox]

Another update from Rotoworld...Sep 1 - 4:55 PM

Browns coach Pat Shurmur says Trent Richardson (knee scope) will "play the whole game" if he's active in Week 1. "He's going to give it everything he's got," Shurmur said Saturday. "This will be his first live activity. If he plays, he will be ready to go and play the whole game. We just have to be smart." According to GM Tom Heckert, Richardson "looks real good right now," and "has had no setbacks whatsoever." The odds the No. 3 pick suits up against the Eagles are looking good.

 

[bengalbuck]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast when he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season. I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

Maybe. But one things for certain is that the Browns will also be looking for concrete wins, especially with a new owner who is likely going to be looking for any reason to fire someone and bring in his regime. That means Holmgren and Shurmur will be doing anything and everything to put a win on the board, and not necessarily generate "momentum". With the Browns defense as putrid as it is, that means they'll be passing...ALOT. The Browns will likely be playing from behind for the majority of their match ups this year. Giving it to the Richardson AKA "the chosen one" and letting him burn down the clock won't help them win when they are trying to catch up. Not many teams, if any at all, let their RB move the chains when they are trailing from behind. It just eats the clock far to quickly. Unfortunately that's just the way it will probably play out barring any unexpected offensive and defensive surges that will let Cleveland control the clock for most of the game. Cleveland may have a few games where they can get Richardson out early and gain some carries and yards, but make no mistake..Cleveland will fail on Defense and their offense will have to pass. I wish Richardson the best but he's on a very bad team.

You may be right about much of that. However, you could have said the same thing about last year's Jaguars. Or last year's Vikings. Even Philly started 5-8. Didn't stop MJD, ADP and McCoy from having very good seasons. Plus, I think you're underrating Richardson as a receiver.In addition, let's say you're correct and the Browns are often down 20 points in the 2nd half. That leads to prevent defenses, which leads to draw plays and check down throws to the RB, cheap yardage for T. Rich.Anyway, I'm not saying to take him in the 1st round. But when it gets down into the 3rd round, all these RBs have questions. Some are coming off of major injuries. Some are in RBBC's. I think Richardson has fewer questions than some of those guys and belongs firmly in that early 3rd round mix. Still think people in the league who let him fall into the middle of the 4th will be kicking themselves for passing on him....Edit to add: I have many friends who are Browns fans. They know they aren't going to be good this year. The new ownership, GM and coaching staff need to give them some sort of hope for the future. That's what I mean by trying to build late season momentum. Some of that will be showing promise in the passing game. But I also think Browns fans will be able to get excited about the future if Richardson looks like he is going to be a big-time player. At the end of this season when Haslam evaluates everyone, they will need to be able to justify trading up to take a RB at 3rd overall. They all NEED Richardson to look great and be a difference maker to have any chance of holding onto their jobs.

 

[GDogg]

If the defense is as bad as many in this thread are saying they will be, Cleveland will do everything they can to grind the game out and run down the clock to make the game shorter for as long as they can. That should mean a heavy dose of running the ball as long as the score is close. It does not mean abandoning the running game if the opposing team scores on their first possession.

 

[duaneok66]

I think his health is of greater concern.

 

[whatadai]

If the defense is as bad as many in this thread are saying they will be, Cleveland will do everything they can to grind the game out and run down the clock to make the game shorter for as long as they can. That should mean a heavy dose of running the ball as long as the score is close. It does not mean abandoning the running game if the opposing team scores on their first possession.

Can't really grind the game out when you have 0 points on the board. All they need to do is stack the box focusing on Richardson and Cleveland's offense is gone.

 

[Banger]

Plant me firmly on the bandwagon. May come a few weeks later with the injury but the situation doesn't bother me at all. Hes got the talent, the offense will 100% go through him, and he's got a good line. All the makings of a very good fantasy rb.

 

[Banger]

My only concern about Richardson is how behind he will be because of missing TC, and the knee. If those two things don't hold him back, he's worth every penny of a 2nd round pick.

He went 4.06 tonight in our 12 team pprppr flex league.

That's crazy. He's going to be a beast when he plays.I think the fact that nobody has seen him out there on the field in an NFL preseason is the only reason he's falling so far. He's just too good of a player not to have a very good season. I think FBG is going to be justified in ranking this guy highly.And I think by the time the fantasy football playoffs roll around, he's going to be getting a lot of touches as the Browns try to generate some momentum for next season.

Maybe. But one things for certain is that the Browns will also be looking for concrete wins, especially with a new owner who is likely going to be looking for any reason to fire someone and bring in his regime. That means Holmgren and Shurmur will be doing anything and everything to put a win on the board, and not necessarily generate "momentum". With the Browns defense as putrid as it is, that means they'll be passing...ALOT. The Browns will likely be playing from behind for the majority of their match ups this year. Giving it to the Richardson AKA "the chosen one" and letting him burn down the clock won't help them win when they are trying to catch up. Not many teams, if any at all, let their RB move the chains when they are trailing from behind. It just eats the clock far to quickly. Unfortunately that's just the way it will probably play out barring any unexpected offensive and defensive surges that will let Cleveland control the clock for most of the game. Cleveland may have a few games where they can get Richardson out early and gain some carries and yards, but make no mistake..Cleveland will fail on Defense and their offense will have to pass. I wish Richardson the best but he's on a very bad team.

He's going to be on the field in all situations. He's a great receiver out of the backfield. Steve Slaton carved out a 3 year career from garbage time. That's the beauty, even when they are down 20 he's going to be getting dump offs and scores.

 

[GDogg]

If the defense is as bad as many in this thread are saying they will be, Cleveland will do everything they can to grind the game out and run down the clock to make the game shorter for as long as they can. That should mean a heavy dose of running the ball as long as the score is close. It does not mean abandoning the running game if the opposing team scores on their first possession.

Can't really grind the game out when you have 0 points on the board. All they need to do is stack the box focusing on Richardson and Cleveland's offense is gone.

Sure you can.

 

[whatadai]

If the defense is as bad as many in this thread are saying they will be, Cleveland will do everything they can to grind the game out and run down the clock to make the game shorter for as long as they can. That should mean a heavy dose of running the ball as long as the score is close. It does not mean abandoning the running game if the opposing team scores on their first possession.

Can't really grind the game out when you have 0 points on the board. All they need to do is stack the box focusing on Richardson and Cleveland's offense is gone.

Sure you can.

You can, if you want to insult the new owner and lose your 7 figure job.

 

[GDogg]

If the defense is as bad as many in this thread are saying they will be, Cleveland will do everything they can to grind the game out and run down the clock to make the game shorter for as long as they can. That should mean a heavy dose of running the ball as long as the score is close. It does not mean abandoning the running game if the opposing team scores on their first possession.

Can't really grind the game out when you have 0 points on the board. All they need to do is stack the box focusing on Richardson and Cleveland's offense is gone.

Sure you can.

You can, if you want to insult the new owner and lose your 7 figure job.

What are you taking about?

 

[chiefs2929]

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

Exactly. Two years ago it was Javhid Best and CJ Spiller. Last year it was Mark Ingram and Daniel Thomas. When was the last time a rookie running back put up RB1 points?

Apples to Oranges... Situations are different, talent of existing backfield, injuries to Ingram and Thomas, and Richardson is a superior talent to Ingram if you didn't see this in college your blind. The fact is people are drafting rookies for what they could become. If Richardson has a good second half of the season and you got him in the fourth round( like me) then as long as your team is pretty good and you make the playoffs you have a great RB for the fantasy playoffs

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Drafting TRich as your Rb1or RB2 is suicide. Very few goal line chances in game; no passing game to ta pressure of run game; browns will protect Rich first quarter of year and go Hardesty at least 30%......and finally Pitt;Baltimore and Cincy twice......boy to mention they will always be losing in 4th quarter forcing them to abandon run early....yikes

So they pass and Richardson gets a lot of catches. There are reasons to be skeptical but I'm not buying the crappy team argument.

 

[Mile High]

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

Exactly. Two years ago it was Javhid Best and CJ Spiller. Last year it was Mark Ingram and Daniel Thomas. When was the last time a rookie running back put up RB1 points?

There are plenty of examples of rookie RBs who did well. Check the David Wilson bandwagon thread for a list. Being on a bad team isn't the kiss of death for RBs who get the carries.

 

[Shermanator]

The entire offense will funnel through Richardson. Im sure we can all agree on that. He will have many big yardage games and may get the most touches of any back in the entire NFL this year. The only concern for me are the redzone/goaline touches he will get since that team is pretty bad. But at worst he should be a lock for solid #2 rb numbers this year. It wouldnt surprise if he had about 1200 yds rushing, and 1600 total yds. The only X-factor are the scores. But they are hard to predict anyway.

He is a steal anywhere in the mid second rd and beyond

 

[Mile High]

Apples to Oranges... Situations are different, talent of existing backfield, injuries to Ingram and Thomas, and Richardson is a superior talent to Ingram if you didn't see this in college your blind. The fact is people are drafting rookies for what they could become. If Richardson has a good second half of the season and you got him in the fourth round( like me) then as long as your team is pretty good and you make the playoffs you have a great RB for the fantasy playoffs

Your situation is different in that you drafted him as an RB2/RB3. At that price, sure the upside is there. But most have paid low RB1/high RB2 prices. If you're guessing he'll have an ADP-like rookie year, then I guess that price is justified. However, that's an anomaly and I think you're better off with a Steven Jackson in the second. Just my 2 cents.

In all my years of playing FF I have discovered one fact. 100% of us posting before the season are just guessing on what is in store for the next 17 weeks. Good luck everyone and let the games begin.

 

[pollardsvision]

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

Exactly. Two years ago it was Javhid Best and CJ Spiller. Last year it was Mark Ingram and Daniel Thomas. When was the last time a rookie running back put up RB1 points?

I'll play.You are right though, it's been a while since a talented rookie was drafted to be the bellcow. Most rookie RBs, over the last few years have been drafted into the short end of a RBBC.There have been a number of rookies over the last couple of years that were RB1's for short stretches when the've had the opportunity and been healthy (D.Murray, R.Matthews). The real answer is '08. We got 3 of them (C.Johnson, Forte, Slaton), while a 4th and 5th (K.Smith, Stewart) were borderline.In '07, there were 2 (AP, Lynch).Bush wasn't great in '06, but Addai and MJD were.In '05, Cadillac Williams was a RB1 and Ronnie was solid.In '04, the Jones' won some titles for people.In '03, it was McGahee.'02, Portis.'01, LaDanian and Anothony Thomas.We don't know what's going to become of Richardson and Martin this season, but let's not let a recent string of rookies being drafted into committees make us think that rookie RB's can't be RB1's.

 

[cpd90]

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

Exactly. Two years ago it was Javhid Best and CJ Spiller. Last year it was Mark Ingram and Daniel Thomas. When was the last time a rookie running back put up RB1 points?

Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson...

 

[grateful zed]

william green did ok.

 

[bengalbuck]

In terms of injury update, one of the Browns beat writers just tweeted something basically saying:

Not sure if Richardson plays week 1, but they want the Eagles to think he's playing.

I personally tend to think he doesn't play at all week 1 and he makes his debut against the Bengals week 2.

I also think they ease him in a bit and people will be shouting "bust" (in terms of fantasy) after the first month of the year. But that he'll really heat up down the stretch. If you drafted him, be patient. If you didn't and can get him at a discount in September from a disappointed owner, I'd make him a trade target.

 

[Texican]

SOD

 

[GreenNGold]

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

Exactly. Two years ago it was Javhid Best and CJ Spiller. Last year it was Mark Ingram and Daniel Thomas. When was the last time a rookie running back put up RB1 points?

Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson...

Other than ADP most of rookie RB's people have mentioned that have panned out went undrafted or real late though. People were not spending 2nd round draft picks on them. Yes, you can find rookie RB's that have put up good points, but most of those are late-round longshots or waiver wire pickups. Very seldom does a 2nd rounder pan out.

 

[Texican]

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

Exactly. Two years ago it was Javhid Best and CJ Spiller. Last year it was Mark Ingram and Daniel Thomas. When was the last time a rookie running back put up RB1 points?

Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson...

Other than ADP most of rookie RB's people have mentioned that have panned out went undrafted or real late though. People were not spending 2nd round draft picks on them. Yes, you can find rookie RB's that have put up good points, but most of those are late-round longshots or waiver wire pickups. Very seldom does a 2nd rounder pan out.

What rookies were taken that high?

 

[bengalbuck]

Apples to Oranges... Situations are different, talent of existing backfield, injuries to Ingram and Thomas, and Richardson is a superior talent to Ingram if you didn't see this in college your blind. The fact is people are drafting rookies for what they could become. If Richardson has a good second half of the season and you got him in the fourth round( like me) then as long as your team is pretty good and you make the playoffs you have a great RB for the fantasy playoffs

Your situation is different in that you drafted him as an RB2/RB3. At that price, sure the upside is there. But most have paid low RB1/high RB2 prices. If you're guessing he'll have an ADP-like rookie year, then I guess that price is justified. However, that's an anomaly and I think you're better off with a Steven Jackson in the second. Just my 2 cents.

I like Richardson a lot, but totally agree with this. Wouldn't take him in the 2nd over some surer things like SJax. Taking Richardson forces you to come back and pick a 3rd RB relatively early whereas with SJax you could potentially feel safer waiting longer to get your 3rd. Wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a RB1. I love him as a RB2, but you do want to make sure you get an above average #3. I draft RB heavy in general, so that wasn't too big of a drawback for me With the injury, I think the early 2nd round talk has to end. However, if he's falling into the late 3rd (I got him at 3.10 in 12 team PPR), I think he's a nice value. If he's falling into the 4th as many in this thread are saying, I think he's a steal.

 

[bengalbuck]

You can never call anyone who has not played a down in the NFL as "too good of a player"Would you like me to look up some Reggie Bush quotes before his rookie season?

Exactly. Two years ago it was Javhid Best and CJ Spiller. Last year it was Mark Ingram and Daniel Thomas. When was the last time a rookie running back put up RB1 points?

Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson...

Other than ADP most of rookie RB's people have mentioned that have panned out went undrafted or real late though. People were not spending 2nd round draft picks on them. Yes, you can find rookie RB's that have put up good points, but most of those are late-round longshots or waiver wire pickups. Very seldom does a 2nd rounder pan out.

What rookies were taken that high?

Good point. Thomas was drafted around #60 overall. And the Dolphins had just given Reggie Bush relatively big money. No comparison in talent or situation.Not only that, but you can't compare him to smaller backs like Best, Spiller, etc. There isn't any question what role Richardson was drafted to fill. I also think he has way less quality competition for carries than a guy like Ingram. Brandon Jackson and Montario Hardesty (who barely made the roster) aren't Pierre Thomas and Darren Sproles...both of those guys were given pretty big contracts by the Saints prior to last year, so you knew they would be in the gameplan to a decent extent.