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Put the Trent Richardson pipe down! (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter GreenNGold
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I don't have ADP data on the guys I listed, but Forte a 2nd rounder, Johnson a 1st, McGahee a 1st, Lynch a 1st, ADP a 1st. It's not like these guys were under the radar. If they weren't drafted early in fantasy, it's because drafters didn't have enough confidence in a rookie, not because they were lucky or didn't actually have the talent to do that.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
We are talking re-drafts not dynasty here. Johnson, McGahee, Lynch were not 1st round picks.
I said I DON'T have ADP data. I'm talking NFL draft. My point is that these guys were not diamonds in the rough. It's on drafters for not being on these guys earlier.
Mile High
Footballguy
Who is drafting him in the first? Late 2nd and after he has value.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Richardson is going in the 3rd round, not the 1st
GreenNGold
Footballguy
No one said he was, but he is often going in the 2nd. 3rd round is still way too early though, and he won't fall enough in any draft to become worth his draft position.
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Mile High
Footballguy
Khy
Footballguy
Not sure, I got him at 4.12 in my 12 man redraft league. I really wanted nothing to do with him going into that draft on Friday but I figured everyone keeps saying his ADP is around 2.03 or something like that. So at 4.12 he has to at least have value. I'm also far from pressured to start him early on, though I likely would if he is announced to start in Week 1. He was my 3rd RB I drafted after Foster and Lynch.
there's this:Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot
#browns Trent Richardson getting some work w/ ones in team drills too. Looks like he'll play v eagles
And then there's this:
Scott Petrak @ScottPetrak
#Browns Richardson did individual drills, caught some passes, took some handoffs. Didn't run full speed. Sleeve on left knee.
kneeunthaface
Footballguy
kneeunthaface
Footballguy
GreenNGold
Footballguy
I hope no one bought into the hype and started this scrub this week.
If he is your RB2 you are in for a LONG season.
If he is your RB2 you are in for a LONG season.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
YEAH REALLY!really?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
long as in deep into ff playoffs?
Warhogs
Footballguy
Wow, what a roller coaster. I'm still taking a middle ground on Richardson. I am not super high on him because I still don't know if Weeden is much of a QB and I think that will hurt Richardson's production (especially tds) on the season. He is talented but Weeden needs to be at least respectable for Richardson to be a solid starter.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Over reaction on one side after week 1. Equally strong reaction after week 2. I DO think week 2 is closer to his true production expectation - but that doesn't mean I think he's a lock for 100+ and 2 TDs every week, either.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't think so at all....see MJD. The key is that he's an every down back that will be fed the ball on the ground and in the air. When the game was close they pounded the ball with him and when they fell behind they used him in the screen game. With his ability to break tackles one on one he's going to get A LOT of run after contact yards. I really wouldn't be surprised if he'll be near the top in that category at the end of the year. I think he's a tremendous talent that will get a full workload every week.
bagger
Footballguy
i sat him week 1 and played him week 2.he will be getting the start every week now, i think phillys run d is really really good so i think week 2 yards is closer to what he will do, tds are random.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
So what of his value? I would put him top 15 with his value being somewhere between Chris Johnson and Reggie Bush.
Clifford
Footballguy
So you see his value somewhere between a RB coming on really strong and coming off a career game, and a guy who hasn't produced consistently in two years and can't crest 2ypc? I'd put his value a lot closer to Bush than CJ and that's a compliment to Richardson. Honestly I think he finished the year well above both. Week 1 was coming off surgery with no practice time hardly at all, and his first NFL game experience. Week 2 the rust was off and he showed what he is capable of. I think week 2 is closer to the norm.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Either #4 or #5, depends on Mathews. I'd slot Reggie and Spiller right behind them.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Youll notice the OP hasn't been around a lot. Probably created a new account to post from. 
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
The OP was one of the biggest trolls I've ever encountered here. That level of trolling would easily be spotted regardless of the name.Anyway, I try to make sure TRich is brought up whenever someone is having a conversation about elite RBs. I absolutely love watching him play.Youll notice the OP hasn't been around a lot. Probably created a new account to post from.
jurb26
Footballguy
Richardson; 472 total yds and 5 Tds thus far.Best RB in NO (Sproles); 326 total yds and 2 Tds thus far.Please explain how MJD managed to finish as the #3 RB in fantasy last year and well ahead of any RB in NO while playing on the #32 ranked offense in the NFL and NO had the #1 ranked offense in the NFL.Here's a hint, the answer is in my OP.I stopped after watching you talk yourself into Cleveland being a better situation than NO.Yeah, there is some silly logic being produced in this thread.As it has been mentioned in the thread already, there is virtually nothing about Richardson and Ingram that are similar other than the fact that they both went to Alabama. There NFL situations couldn't be any more different and on top of that, they are different players with vastly different skill sets. The expectations should thus be, well, differnt.don't draft x player because y player failed to produce... sounds like some true shark advice!!
Let's take a minute to try and outline some of the circumstances at play here.
1. Tallent. There can be no denying that Richardson is considered a far more talented prospect. His body of work demonstrated this while at Alabama and his draft position reinforced it. There is a HUGE gap between being the #3 overall player in the NFL draft and being the #28 player in the NFL draft. Richardson is considered the best RB prospect the NFL has seen since Peterson. He was agruably the highest rated player in his class. Ingram, while impressive, does not even sniff this type of consideration.
Advantage Richardson.
2. Situation. Richardson is entering a Clev. offense that was completely void of skill position talent and in dire need of a playmaker. This is exactly why they traded up to #3 to select Richardson, clearly the most dynamic playermaker in the draft. Ingram was entering a NO offense overloaded with skill position talent and playmakers. Clev runs a ground centered offesnive attack that looks to rely on a single bellcow at RB. NO runs a pass centered attack that focuses on it's elite QB to make plays in the passing game. Clev has no RBs on the roster behind Richardson who are talented enough or capible of keeping Richarson off the field as a 3 down back, assuming he is healthy. NO has 2 other RBs on the field who are/where talented and capable enough of keeping Ingram off the field. Not just in a 3 down sense, in a total RBBC sense limiting his touches greatly. Clev has a great Oline and has shown a willingness to use thier RBs heavily in the passing game. NO also has a very good Oline but more in a pass protecting sense and divides the RB reception opportunities amoung their RBBC.
Advantage Richardson
3. Injury. This seems to be the only reason that people have soured on Richardson. His ADP has dropped from 2.03 to 3.03 since the announcement that his knee would need scoped to remove some scare tissue. This to me is a total knee-jerk reaction (see what I did right there?) to a situation that will have little to no effect on Richardson. But wait, Hardesty has looked good in camp! Let me ask you this question. If Hardesty, a guy who has had about 100 knee opperations, can look good in camp and pre-season in this Clev RB starting role then how do you think Richardson will look? Clev is a team positioned to support very good RB production IMO. This will only become more evident once Richardson starts playing. On top of that, Ingram really only performed so poorly because he suffered an injury last season. That injury limited his ability and also helped perpetuate the RBBC mess in NO. Richardson is scheduled to be 100% by week 1 of the season. Of course he could get injured but projecting those is meaningless. On top of that, if he does get injured when he comes back I think we can expect with a much higher level of confidence him seeing the lions share of touches when he returns.
Advantage Richardson
I'm rather high on Richardson and to me it's pretty simple. Fantasy success is a simple product of talent meeting opportunity. Richardson is a rare rookie RB who is gushing in both of these areas. Ingram has/had talent but not as much as Richardson. Ingram did not have remotely close to the opportuntiy that Richardson will see this year though. Clev. has very few options on their offense and will be feeding the ball to their best player, Richardson. Yes it can be said that there will be fewer scoring opportunties than other RBs. I for one think those opportunities are being greatly exagerated in the scarcity but everyone has to come up with their own projections. The bottom line is I see Richardson amassing about 315 touches this year at a minimum. That would be 272 carries and 42 receptions. Again, that was my floor for Richardson's touches. My actual projections are 290 carries and 45 receptions. Given his talent level, surrounding cast and the outright scarcity of bellcow RBs that places him as a top 10 RB on my list. Comparing Richardson to Ingram is pretty shortsighted IMO. We should be evaluating each player under their own set of cercumstances. If you simply are not a believer in Richardson, the player/talent, then so be it. I'd still find it hard to argue that he will not receive a great opportunity to succeed, or perhaps fail.
I'd love to see some of the projected touches those of you who are so down on Richardson are expecting.
All NO RBs combined; 752 total yds and 4 Tds thus far.
Advantage Richardson.
Has helped me to a perfect record as my RB2/3. I snagged another rookie in Washington that is doing pretty well. Those worthless rooks! I have a feeling we won't hear much more from this dingaling.Chris Johnson has value? Willing to wager that only a few who got some mid-late round steals that drafted CJ in round 1 will make the playoffs in their league.
DoubleG
Footballguy
You realize you are quoting a post from almost 4 weeks ago, right? That quote is from just after week 2 - after CJ had had 2 bad games and Bush had just dropped 172 rushing yards and 2 TDs on the Raiders. CJ was clearly the low end in his example. And Trent had 1 bad game and 1 good game. I'm all for calling out people when they make horrible predictions - but this is just trolling.
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I am willing to wager that trich is the best rb on many fantasy teams this far.
I have him, McFadden and spiller. Also drafted (and dropped) Hillis, and Ryan Williams. It's not even close. Trish is my stud rb, unbenchable, and I got him in the 3rd rd.
The thing is he is so consistent. Outside of that week 1....last 4 weeks very dependable. The Percy harvin of RBS
I have him, McFadden and spiller. Also drafted (and dropped) Hillis, and Ryan Williams. It's not even close. Trish is my stud rb, unbenchable, and I got him in the 3rd rd.
The thing is he is so consistent. Outside of that week 1....last 4 weeks very dependable. The Percy harvin of RBS
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Thanks for being the only human in the history of earth to ever resort to insulting me by PM. That really shows what type of person you are, I'm glad I don't know you in real life or my real life would suck. I see that your public comments have a different tone to them though. I have checked for this thread several times but had not seen in on the first page, and I normally don't browse farther than that. It obviously has not been that hot of a topic though.TRich has looked really good so far, and I'm the first to admit that. I never avoid threads like these or hide, I just haven't been around much. It looks like I am wrong on TRich, but my main point still stands: Over-hyped rookie RB's normally do not pan out. This time my theory backfired, but it is correct more often than it is wrong. All that being said, while he has looked good, he has also had what would have been a couple really mediocre weeks salvaged by a TD. And while every TD still counts, You can't expect that every week either. If anything, I'd say his trade value is about as high as it can get right now. Dynasty an obvious keeper and #1 pick before the year started, but I have never once in my life talked about dynasty. It's all about redraft baby! I'm very interested to see if he can keep this up for rest of the year.
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Multiple Scores
Footballguy
How's clown college treating you?Thanks for being the only human in the history of earth to ever resort to insulting me by PM. That really shows what type of person you are, I'm glad I don't know you in real life or my real life would suck. I see that your public comments have a different tone to them though. I have checked for this thread several times but had not seen in on the first page, and I normally don't browse farther than that. It obviously has not been that hot of a topic though.TRich has looked really good so far, and I'm the first to admit that. I never avoid threads like these or hide, I just haven't been around much. It looks like I am wrong on TRich, but my main point still stands: Over-hyped rookie RB's normally do not pan out. This time my theory backfired, but it is correct more often than it is wrong. All that being said, while he has looked good, he has also had what would have been a couple really mediocre weeks salvaged by a TD. And while every TD still counts, You can't expect that every week either. If anything, I'd say his trade value is about as high as it can get right now. Dynasty an obvious keeper and #1 pick before the year started, but I have never once in my life talked about dynasty. It's all about redraft baby! I'm very interested to see if he can keep this up for rest of the year.
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kneeunthaface
Footballguy
Was targeting D. Martin. He went early fourth.....Richardson slid down to me at the middle of the 5th! The guy is a stud. Physically gifted and has confidence in his abilities. Should be a beast for years to come.
jurb26
Footballguy
You still don't seem to be getting the point that was being driven by the pro-Richardson camp all through this thread.The point is that Richardson was/is going to amass a lot of TOUCHES. Touches = opportunity. Opportunity = fantasy success.Richardson has averaged 21.2 touches per game thus far. On top of that he has averaged 94.4 total yds. Saying he is only a product of a few TDs is simply false. He is scoring TDs because he is getting TOUCHES. Unless you can provide sound reasoning for Richardson to start touching the ball less I can not see any reason he does not continue to vastly outperfom your expectations. Even if his TD average (1 per game thus far) decreases he is still going to be a viable fantasy producer based on his touch and yardage output.
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Clifford
Footballguy
I won't bother telling you how incredibly wrong you are on this, or bother trying to teach you how to differentiate actual real players or evaluate talent. Obviously you simply look at certain measurables and make blanket generalizations about what a player is going to do based on other player with those same measurables (like your argument because both backs came from the same school, and were highly touted rookies, they would do the exact same things despite being different players with different skill sets on different teams with different offensive philosophies). Obviously you haven't learned that this is the reason you were so wrong because you persist in it, saying trade now because, well, it's really rare for rookies to do this well, and not looking at anything that is going on with the player or the team.I won't even fault you for how much you touted having to play Cincinatti (19th against the rush), Baltimore (20th), and Pittsburgh (11th) as really tough defenses that would totally shut him down. It's nearly impossible to predict what defenses will be good season to season.'GreenNGold said:Thanks for being the only human in the history of earth to ever resort to insulting me by PM. That really shows what type of person you are, I'm glad I don't know you in real life or my real life would suck. I see that your public comments have a different tone to them though. I have checked for this thread several times but had not seen in on the first page, and I normally don't browse farther than that. It obviously has not been that hot of a topic though.TRich has looked really good so far, and I'm the first to admit that. I never avoid threads like these or hide, I just haven't been around much.
It looks like I am wrong on TRich, but my main point still stands: Over-hyped rookie RB's normally do not pan out. This time my theory backfired, but it is correct more often than it is wrong.
All that being said, while he has looked good, he has also had what would have been a couple really mediocre weeks salvaged by a TD. And while every TD still counts, You can't expect that every week either. If anything, I'd say his trade value is about as high as it can get right now. Dynasty an obvious keeper and #1 pick before the year started, but I have never once in my life talked about dynasty. It's all about redraft baby! I'm very interested to see if he can keep this up for rest of the year.
What I fault you for was your unbelievable arrogance and your outright disrespect to anyone who disagreed with your assessment of Richardson, which was based on apparently zero knowledge of the player himself and one lousy game week 1 with no training camp and a shortened week of practice, with a rookie QB. You really need to take a step back and acknowledge just how arrogant and pissy you were and think about if that's how you want to conduct yourself. I have a feeling that the only reason you are being even civil to people right now is because you were completely, 100% dead wrong. Had Richardson performed average or poorly, you'd be rubbing everyone's nose in it and saying how stupid they were not to listen to your genius advice.
No one know what's going to happen, and I don't fault you for being wrong about a player. I fault you for being a complete ######## to everyone while being wrong about a player.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I won't bother telling you how incredibly wrong you are on this, or bother trying to teach you how to differentiate actual real players or evaluate talent. Obviously you simply look at certain measurables and make blanket generalizations about what a player is going to do based on other player with those same measurables (like your argument because both backs came from the same school, and were highly touted rookies, they would do the exact same things despite being different players with different skill sets on different teams with different offensive philosophies). Obviously you haven't learned that this is the reason you were so wrong because you persist in it, saying trade now because, well, it's really rare for rookies to do this well, and not looking at anything that is going on with the player or the team.I won't even fault you for how much you touted having to play Cincinatti (19th against the rush), Baltimore (20th), and Pittsburgh (11th) as really tough defenses that would totally shut him down. It's nearly impossible to predict what defenses will be good season to season.'GreenNGold said:Thanks for being the only human in the history of earth to ever resort to insulting me by PM. That really shows what type of person you are, I'm glad I don't know you in real life or my real life would suck. I see that your public comments have a different tone to them though. I have checked for this thread several times but had not seen in on the first page, and I normally don't browse farther than that. It obviously has not been that hot of a topic though.TRich has looked really good so far, and I'm the first to admit that. I never avoid threads like these or hide, I just haven't been around much.
It looks like I am wrong on TRich, but my main point still stands: Over-hyped rookie RB's normally do not pan out. This time my theory backfired, but it is correct more often than it is wrong.
All that being said, while he has looked good, he has also had what would have been a couple really mediocre weeks salvaged by a TD. And while every TD still counts, You can't expect that every week either. If anything, I'd say his trade value is about as high as it can get right now. Dynasty an obvious keeper and #1 pick before the year started, but I have never once in my life talked about dynasty. It's all about redraft baby! I'm very interested to see if he can keep this up for rest of the year.
What I fault you for was your unbelievable arrogance and your outright disrespect to anyone who disagreed with your assessment of Richardson, which was based on apparently zero knowledge of the player himself and one lousy game week 1 with no training camp and a shortened week of practice, with a rookie QB. You really need to take a step back and acknowledge just how arrogant and pissy you were and think about if that's how you want to conduct yourself. I have a feeling that the only reason you are being even civil to people right now is because you were completely, 100% dead wrong. Had Richardson performed average or poorly, you'd be rubbing everyone's nose in it and saying how stupid they were not to listen to your genius advice.
No one know what's going to happen, and I don't fault you for being wrong about a player. I fault you for being a complete ######## to everyone while being wrong about a player.
Love these week to week I'm right, no I'm right type threads. FBG's is a magnet for them.HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more, Clifford. Green and Gold, you might just wanna retire that handle after the hole you just got ripped open.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The OP had zero insights. He came in with sharp elbows and insulted the player by calling him a scrub then he claimed to be a PRO with a valuable opinion where he issues a dire warning to AVOID THIS SCRUB.
The only response was to laugh.
It really was funny.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:37 AM
Not just bad run-of-the-mill bad but, lol, omhgod, I'm laughing right now. Oh man. Still cracks me up.
The only response was to laugh.
It really was funny.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:37 AM
Making a bad call is forgivable but that, that take? HYSTERICAL!
Not just bad run-of-the-mill bad but, lol, omhgod, I'm laughing right now. Oh man. Still cracks me up.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I haven't learned a lot but I think the one irrefutable fact this place has taught me is avoid any advice prefaced by "Pro Tip".
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I'm having my best season in a decade because I am following my own thoughts and completely ignoring what FBG staff and posers have to say.
Khy
Footballguy
I agree with this, though I won't completely ignore what they say. I just take it at less value than the word of God. I still make my own decisions but sometimes FBG staff or posters on the forums will bring up solid points involving a specific player or a specific match up that I really wasn't paying attention to.
daveR
Footballguy
Yep. Bad call by OP.I wonder why the #3 overall pick, behind two can't miss QBs, is regarded so little respect. Ingram was passed over 20+ times!The OP had zero insights. He came in with sharp elbows and insulted the player by calling him a scrub then he claimed to be a PRO with a valuable opinion where he issues a dire warning to AVOID THIS SCRUB.
The only response was to laugh.
It really was funny.
Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:37 AM
Making a bad call is forgivable but that, that take? HYSTERICAL!
Not just bad run-of-the-mill bad but, lol, omhgod, I'm laughing right now. Oh man. Still cracks me up.
