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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (5 Viewers)

Chaka said:
Joey Wright said:
Working on a show sheet for an upcoming show and one aspect not mentioned as much as how the Rodgers signing could be really good for Kaleb Johnson. The last four seasons PIT gave Najee Harris an average of 274 carries a season. Also, no Aaron Rodgers starting RB finished lower than the RB13 in his last four seasons with the Packers. On average they finished as the RB8. Just a few things I like for Johnson with Rodgers coming in.
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Where did Breece Hall finish last year? 1,359 YFS (57 receptions), 8 TDs, 6 fumbles. In my PPR league that was good for RB18 and I think Jaylen Warren will eat a bigger piece of the pie than Braelon Allen did with the Jets.
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In my league, if he just cut his fumbles from 6 down to 3 he would have finished RB12 behind Conner. In other words RB12 and RB18 were separated by just 6 fantasy points (at least across my leagues). This isn't the case every year, but think it's important context to have for this discussion, otherwise RB12 vs RB18 can come off looking like a much larger discrepancy than it actually was.
 
pinkstapler said:
Chaka said:
Joey Wright said:
Working on a show sheet for an upcoming show and one aspect not mentioned as much as how the Rodgers signing could be really good for Kaleb Johnson. The last four seasons PIT gave Najee Harris an average of 274 carries a season. Also, no Aaron Rodgers starting RB finished lower than the RB13 in his last four seasons with the Packers. On average they finished as the RB8. Just a few things I like for Johnson with Rodgers coming in.
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Where did Breece Hall finish last year? 1,359 YFS (57 receptions), 8 TDs, 6 fumbles. In my PPR league that was good for RB18 and I think Jaylen Warren will eat a bigger piece of the pie than Braelon Allen did with the Jets.
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In my league, if he just cut his fumbles from 6 down to 3 he would have finished RB12 behind Conner. In other words RB12 and RB18 were separated by just 6 fantasy points (at least across my leagues). This isn't the case every year, but think it's important context to have for this discussion, otherwise RB12 vs RB18 can come off looking like a much larger discrepancy than it actually was.
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League formats are funny like that, in my league there is a 1.7 ppg difference between RB12 & RB18 (about 29 fantasy points on the season).
 
5-ish Finkle said:
Anarchy99 said:
FantasySharks - 3631/36 (QB15)
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36...what? No way that's TDs in an Artie Smith offense. 😅 Hell, did they score 36 as a whole offense last year? (ETA: I just checked. It was 37. :geek:)


All those other projections look eerily familiar....almost exactly like Russel Wilson's projected 17 game stats from '24.

Mr. Unlimited's pro-rated #s from last year over 17 games:
  • 3516 yards
  • 23 touchdowns
  • 7 picks
Sounds about right. With a drubbing in round one of the playoffs, if they manage to WC their way in again.
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Whose pro rated numbers are those? Wilson's or Rodgers? Because, those pro-rated numbers don't fit either guy.
 
Chaka said:
5-ish Finkle said:
Anarchy99 said:
FantasySharks - 3631/36 (QB15)
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36...what? No way that's TDs in an Artie Smith offense. 😅 Hell, did they score 36 as a whole offense last year? (ETA: I just checked. It was 37. :geek:)


All those other projections look eerily familiar....almost exactly like Russel Wilson's projected 17 game stats from '24.

Mr. Unlimited's pro-rated #s from last year over 17 games:
  • 3516 yards
  • 23 touchdowns
  • 7 picks
Sounds about right. With a drubbing in round one of the playoffs, if they manage to WC their way in again.
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Whose pro rated numbers are those? Wilson's or Rodgers? Because, those pro-rated numbers don't fit either guy.
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Wilson's but I did the math incorrect. Thought he played 12 games last year. He was only in 11. Mea culpa.

My point remains the same: I expect Rodgers to put up about the same per-game #s in this offense that Wilson did, and the team will still get bludgeoned out of the playoffs by Insert Whatever Team You Like Here if they manage to make it in.
 
Chaka said:
Joe Bryant said:
Interesting on him not wanting #12 in New York.

www.foxnews.com

Jets legend Joe Namath says Aaron Rodgers' forgoing retired No. 12 'touched my heart'

Joe Namath was willing to let the Jets unretire his No. 12 if new Jet Aaron Rodgers wanted to wear it, but the four-time MVP opted to change it up.
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Jets legend Joe Namath says Aaron Rodgers' forgoing retired No. 12 'touched my heart'​


Aaron Rodgers wore No. 12 for his entire 18-year tenue with the Green Bay Packers, so when rumors swirled that he could possibly join the New York Jets, questions were asked about what number he would wear.

That's because 12 is retired by Gang Green in honor of legendary quarterback Joe Namath.

Namath, though, was quick to give Rodgers his blessing and let the Jets unretire the number if the four-time MVP wanted to wear it.

However, "12 for the Jets is Joe Willy Namath," Rodgers said on Wednesday, and he has reverted to his college uniform number 8.

"I just thought it was appropriate for me to show the proper respect and honor for him and his career by taking a different number," he said.

Namath was touched by the gesture.

"That was warm, that touched my heart a bit, that shows something about the man," the Super Bowl III winner told the New York Post. "He has a way about him, a lot of respect for the past. I was humbly grateful, you know what I mean? It felt good. It made me like [him] even more. First time I met him I liked him, and I’ll tell you what, I’ve not seen anybody play better than him the times over the last 10, 15 years I’ve been watching."
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Rodgers seems to have a strong sense of legacy so it doesn't surprise me at all.
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I don't know. I never heard anything about him asking Browning Nagle if he minded him playing with his number :shrug:
 
Maybe a press conference Monday or Tuesday?

Will likely have a verdict on number then. FWIW, Corliss Waitman has #8. I don't know how much that means to him. He's had several different numbers - Was 87 at South Alabama.

I did think it was interesting DK Metcalf moved from 14 to 4 at Pittsburgh. Kenneth Gainwell at 14.

Really important stuff here... ;)
 
Did he actually sign the contract today?

Do we have video documentation? Has it been run through Deepfake analysis?

I won't believe he's a Steeler until the Steelers provide me with the original long form contract and verification, in triplicate, that Aaron Rodgers does not own an Autopen.
 
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Steelers signed QB Aaron Rodgers, formerly of the Jets, to a one-year, $13.65 million contract.
The deal includes $10 million in guaranteed money and $5.85 million in playing time and team performance incentives, bringing the potential total value to $19.5 million. It was previously reported that Rodgers would play for around $10 million this season with his new deal in Pittsburgh bringing that much in guarantees. The veteran quarterback would have made $37.5 million playing with the Jets this season, but the team has since moved on in favor of a cheaper contract with Justin Fields. Rodgers should not be expected to throw more than 30-33 times per-game based on the strength of Pittsburgh’s outstanding defense, which limits his fantasy appeal to deeper leagues and two-quarterback formats.
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There it is. Guaranteed $10M
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Steelers signed QB Aaron Rodgers, formerly of the Jets, to a one-year, $13.65 million contract.
The deal includes $10 million in guaranteed money and $5.85 million in playing time and team performance incentives, bringing the potential total value to $19.5 million. It was previously reported that Rodgers would play for around $10 million this season with his new deal in Pittsburgh bringing that much in guarantees. The veteran quarterback would have made $37.5 million playing with the Jets this season, but the team has since moved on in favor of a cheaper contract with Justin Fields. Rodgers should not be expected to throw more than 30-33 times per-game based on the strength of Pittsburgh’s outstanding defense, which limits his fantasy appeal to deeper leagues and two-quarterback formats.
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There it is. Guaranteed $10M
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I think the practical guarantee is closer to $14 million, unless you think the Steelers will cut him before the season starts.

But there are a lot of questions about how much PT and how many wins.
 
A new take on Aaron Rodgers' situation mirrors that of a seasoned professional who’s been pushed out before they were ready. You’ve built a career, earned respect, and suddenly, the organization that once valued you decides you’re expendable. The Jets moved on, just like a company cutting costs and letting go of experienced employees.

Now, Rodgers is in a position where he has to weigh his options. Some teams show interest, but not all of them are willing to pay what he’s worth. The Steelers, a franchise that could benefit from his leadership, come in with an offer that doesn’t quite reflect his past earnings. It’s like a job interview where the salary offer is lower than expected do you take it immediately, or do you make them wait, knowing they need you more than you need them?

Rodgers, like a veteran tech worker, has leverage. He can string them along, make them sweat a little, knowing that even though he’s signing today, he’s aware of how they undervalued him. It’s a calculated move one that acknowledges his worthwhile making sure the Steelers understand that they got a deal, not a desperate quarterback.
 
sm8680 said:
A new take on Aaron Rodgers' situation mirrors that of a seasoned professional who’s been pushed out before they were ready. You’ve built a career, earned respect, and suddenly, the organization that once valued you decides you’re expendable. The Jets moved on, just like a company cutting costs and letting go of experienced employees.

Now, Rodgers is in a position where he has to weigh his options. Some teams show interest, but not all of them are willing to pay what he’s worth. The Steelers, a franchise that could benefit from his leadership, come in with an offer that doesn’t quite reflect his past earnings. It’s like a job interview where the salary offer is lower than expected do you take it immediately, or do you make them wait, knowing they need you more than you need them?

Rodgers, like a veteran tech worker, has leverage. He can string them along, make them sweat a little, knowing that even though he’s signing today, he’s aware of how they undervalued him. It’s a calculated move one that acknowledges his worthwhile making sure the Steelers understand that they got a deal, not a desperate quarterback.
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This analogy works if you consider ARod to be like that tech worker called out of retirement as a COBOL programmer for the Y2K bug.

A diminished skill set, yet one that’s in demand due to lack of preparation on the company’s behalf. Limited skill set, diminished capacity for adding new tricks to his bag, and in no way interested in corporate culture, yet able to command a high rate of pay for the limited skills they still possess because they’re in urgent demand.

Perfect analogy, thanks.
 
sm8680 said:
A new take on Aaron Rodgers' situation mirrors that of a seasoned professional who’s been pushed out before they were ready. You’ve built a career, earned respect, and suddenly, the organization that once valued you decides you’re expendable. The Jets moved on, just like a company cutting costs and letting go of experienced employees.

Now, Rodgers is in a position where he has to weigh his options. Some teams show interest, but not all of them are willing to pay what he’s worth. The Steelers, a franchise that could benefit from his leadership, come in with an offer that doesn’t quite reflect his past earnings. It’s like a job interview where the salary offer is lower than expected do you take it immediately, or do you make them wait, knowing they need you more than you need them?

Rodgers, like a veteran tech worker, has leverage. He can string them along, make them sweat a little, knowing that even though he’s signing today, he’s aware of how they undervalued him. It’s a calculated move one that acknowledges his worthwhile making sure the Steelers understand that they got a deal, not a desperate quarterback.
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Well said. As I mentioned in the earlier discussion, I think part of why this story got attention is the relatability. I don't think any of us here are NFL players, but lots of us are at the age where we can relate to the established career performing at a high level and the challenges that can bring at the end of the career.

This just happens to be one of the highest-profile jobs in the world. But the concept applies to lots of people.
 
sm8680 said:
A new take on Aaron Rodgers' situation mirrors that of a seasoned professional who’s been pushed out before they were ready. You’ve built a career, earned respect, and suddenly, the organization that once valued you decides you’re expendable. The Jets moved on, just like a company cutting costs and letting go of experienced employees.

Now, Rodgers is in a position where he has to weigh his options. Some teams show interest, but not all of them are willing to pay what he’s worth. The Steelers, a franchise that could benefit from his leadership, come in with an offer that doesn’t quite reflect his past earnings. It’s like a job interview where the salary offer is lower than expected do you take it immediately, or do you make them wait, knowing they need you more than you need them?

Rodgers, like a veteran tech worker, has leverage. He can string them along, make them sweat a little, knowing that even though he’s signing today, he’s aware of how they undervalued him. It’s a calculated move one that acknowledges his worthwhile making sure the Steelers understand that they got a deal, not a desperate quarterback.
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Respectfully, I don't think it is ever valid to compare normal job situations to pro athlete job situations.

Normal job situations don't exist in closed small markets (e.g., with 32 starting QB jobs total). Most normal job situations also don't commonly have performance that declines substantially after a peak in the employee's 30s, with retirement common by late 30s to early 40s. There is no equivalent to the salary cap in business. Etc.

I don't think this analogy works at all. There is no tech worker situation truly like this one.
 
Your right NFL players face rigid constraints. My analogy isn’t about identical markets but about the human experience of navigating career twilight and value perception, something athletes and professionals both understand.

For me, the real concern wasn’t just Aaron stalling with the Steelers it was the financial hit he took once the numbers came out. His pay cut compared to previous years is what truly stands out.
 
sm8680 said:
A new take on Aaron Rodgers' situation mirrors that of a seasoned professional who’s been pushed out before they were ready. You’ve built a career, earned respect, and suddenly, the organization that once valued you decides you’re expendable. The Jets moved on, just like a company cutting costs and letting go of experienced employees.

Now, Rodgers is in a position where he has to weigh his options. Some teams show interest, but not all of them are willing to pay what he’s worth. The Steelers, a franchise that could benefit from his leadership, come in with an offer that doesn’t quite reflect his past earnings. It’s like a job interview where the salary offer is lower than expected do you take it immediately, or do you make them wait, knowing they need you more than you need them?

Rodgers, like a veteran tech worker, has leverage. He can string them along, make them sweat a little, knowing that even though he’s signing today, he’s aware of how they undervalued him. It’s a calculated move one that acknowledges his worthwhile making sure the Steelers understand that they got a deal, not a desperate quarterback.
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I don’t agree with the term “undervalued” in this situation. On what do you base the claim that the Steelers “undervalued him?” He’s got fantastic representation and I’m sure the market was fully tested. As for the Jets decision to move on, it seems like you’re critical of them for that decision? I guess we can talk about the way it was handled, although I think we only have one side of that story, but the team’s decision to move on seems like an easy one to me.
 
Joe Bryant said:
sm8680 said:
A new take on Aaron Rodgers' situation mirrors that of a seasoned professional who’s been pushed out before they were ready. You’ve built a career, earned respect, and suddenly, the organization that once valued you decides you’re expendable. The Jets moved on, just like a company cutting costs and letting go of experienced employees.

Now, Rodgers is in a position where he has to weigh his options. Some teams show interest, but not all of them are willing to pay what he’s worth. The Steelers, a franchise that could benefit from his leadership, come in with an offer that doesn’t quite reflect his past earnings. It’s like a job interview where the salary offer is lower than expected do you take it immediately, or do you make them wait, knowing they need you more than you need them?

Rodgers, like a veteran tech worker, has leverage. He can string them along, make them sweat a little, knowing that even though he’s signing today, he’s aware of how they undervalued him. It’s a calculated move one that acknowledges his worthwhile making sure the Steelers understand that they got a deal, not a desperate quarterback.
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Well said. As I mentioned in the earlier discussion, I think part of why this story got attention is the relatability. I don't think any of us here are NFL players, but lots of us are at the age where we can relate to the established career performing at a high level and the challenges that can bring at the end of the career.

This just happens to be one of the highest-profile jobs in the world. But the concept applies to lots of people.
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Interesting. JB, IMO 100% of the reason why this story got traction is because who it is about. HoF, multi MVP winning QB who has a large off field persona.

Can you honestly name one person who was interested because he is an aging worker who will have to hang it up soon?
 
Chaka said:
Joe Bryant said:
sm8680 said:
A new take on Aaron Rodgers' situation mirrors that of a seasoned professional who’s been pushed out before they were ready. You’ve built a career, earned respect, and suddenly, the organization that once valued you decides you’re expendable. The Jets moved on, just like a company cutting costs and letting go of experienced employees.

Now, Rodgers is in a position where he has to weigh his options. Some teams show interest, but not all of them are willing to pay what he’s worth. The Steelers, a franchise that could benefit from his leadership, come in with an offer that doesn’t quite reflect his past earnings. It’s like a job interview where the salary offer is lower than expected do you take it immediately, or do you make them wait, knowing they need you more than you need them?

Rodgers, like a veteran tech worker, has leverage. He can string them along, make them sweat a little, knowing that even though he’s signing today, he’s aware of how they undervalued him. It’s a calculated move one that acknowledges his worthwhile making sure the Steelers understand that they got a deal, not a desperate quarterback.
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Well said. As I mentioned in the earlier discussion, I think part of why this story got attention is the relatability. I don't think any of us here are NFL players, but lots of us are at the age where we can relate to the established career performing at a high level and the challenges that can bring at the end of the career.

This just happens to be one of the highest-profile jobs in the world. But the concept applies to lots of people.
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Interesting. JB, IMO 100% of the reason why this story got traction is because who it is about. HoF, multi MVP winning QB who has a large off field persona.

Can you honestly name one person who was interested because he is an aging worker who will have to hang it up soon?
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Oh for sure, I don't think the "can the aging Hall Of Famer regain respect and show he can still play" angle is the main thing. That's why I was careful to say "part of why". The main reason it's such a big story is because of how great Rodgers has been and how polarizing he is now. There's a good reason McAfee features him the way he does. And the fact it's a team like Pittsburgh with one of the most passionate and best fanbases in the country is a factor as well.

I just think the old guy story is interesting. For "honestly naming one person" that's interested in that angle, I'd say me.
 
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I admit that Rodgers “was” an elite QB and likely will make the Hall of Fame. But, he is also arrogant off the scale. He loves being in the spotlight and he has not seemed like a team first player in several years.

Now, we combine the media focus on Rodgers with one of the biggest fan favorite teams in the NFL. The Steelers have a long history of success and stability. I just don’t see Rodgers fitting into a team guy with the Steelers and think that it will not be a successful venture.

But, it will continue to be a huge story, so we will see where it leads. My suspicion is that Rodgers and Metcalf become oil and water and the whole seasons goes south.
 
rzrback77 said:
I admit that Rodgers “was” an elite QB and likely will make the Hall of Fame. But, he is also arrogant off the scale. He loves being in the spotlight and he has not seemed like a team first player in several years.

Now, we combine the media focus on Rodgers with one of the biggest fan favorite teams in the NFL. The Steelers have a long history of success and stability. I just don’t see Rodgers fitting into a team guy with the Steelers and think that it will not be a successful venture.

But, it will continue to be a huge story, so we will see where it leads. My suspicion is that Rodgers and Metcalf become oil and water and the whole seasons goes south.
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The narrative of Rodgers not a team guy is foolish IMO
 
Now that Rodgers has finally signed, where would people rank PIT's QB room in terms of real football? There are some really "ungood" QB rooms in the league this year. I have seen PIT rated in the 20-22 range. That didn't strike me as too high or too low. Where do other folks slot the PIT QB group?
 
Anarchy99 said:
Now that Rodgers has finally signed, where would people rank PIT's QB room in terms of real football? There are some really "ungood" QB rooms in the league this year. I have seen PIT rated in the 20-22 range. That didn't strike me as too high or too low. Where do other folks slot the PIT QB group?
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For this year I would say higher than that. I expect somewhere around 15th best play out of Rodgers. Rudolph is an average or slightly below backup, so overall the room should be middles of the pack.
 
rzrback77 said:
My suspicion is that Rodgers and Metcalf become oil and water and the whole seasons goes south.
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I don't agree with your other points but I do think this is the key thing I'm watching.

Rodgers does seem to rely on his "trust" guys. You saw it with guys like Adams and even much less talented WRs he was comfortable with.

Whether or not he and Metcalf can build rapport there will be a super telling question.
 
Anarchy99 said:
There's a lot of ways to spin the numbers. While Rodgers counting stats were still pretty solid, his efficiency numbers weren't that great. Counting only those QBs that qualified (36), here were some of his rankings . . .

Sack % - 19th
QB Rating - 21st
AY/A - 22nd
ANY/A - 24th
NY/A - 27th
YPA - 28th
Completion % - 30th

Additionally, he performed at his worse when it mattered the most. When trailing with less than 4 minutes to play, his QB rating was 60.9. When trailing with less than 2 minutes to play, that dropped to a QB rating of 23.4.
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I posted this almost 20 pages ago. These were Rodgers' efficiency metrics from last year. Do folks think he will do better on a new team and a year older? Also, in terms of counting stats, in terms of passing attempts, PIT had over 100 fewer passing attempts than the Jets did. What do folks project he will have as a stat line?
 
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Anarchy99 said:
There's a lot of ways to spin the numbers. While Rodgers counting stats were still pretty solid, his efficiency numbers weren't that great. Counting only those QBs that qualified (36), here were some of his rankings . . .

Sack % - 19th
QB Rating - 21st
AY/A - 22nd
ANY/A - 24th
NY/A - 27th
YPA - 28th
Completion % - 30th

Additionally, he performed at his worse when it mattered the most. When trailing with less than 4 minutes to play, his QB rating was 60.9. When trailing with less than 2 minutes to play, that dropped to a QB rating of 23.4.
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I posted this almost 20 pages ago. These were Rodgers' efficiency metrics from last year. Do folks think he will do better on a new team and a year older? Also, in terms of counting stats, in terms of passing attempts, PIT had over 100 fewer passing attempts than the Jets did. What do folks project he will have as a stat line?
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The Jets playcalling and terrible O line had a lot to do with the short passes. The completion percentage was highly impacted by a nearly 10% drop rate. If he will buy into Smith's offense, a new team and a year farther from injury he has a good chance to significantly improve these.
 
Anarchy99 said:
I posted this almost 20 pages ago. These were Rodgers' efficiency metrics from last year. Do folks think he will do better on a new team and a year older?
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If a QB goes from the Jets to the Steelers, I'm going to bet on new team every time, any age.

I'm not optimistic about Rodgers, because he's old. But I'm not going to ignore the fact that two years with the Jets isn't paradise
 
Drunken Cowboy said:
Anarchy99 said:
Now that Rodgers has finally signed, where would people rank PIT's QB room in terms of real football? There are some really "ungood" QB rooms in the league this year. I have seen PIT rated in the 20-22 range. That didn't strike me as too high or too low. Where do other folks slot the PIT QB group?
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For this year I would say higher than that. I expect somewhere around 15th best play out of Rodgers. Rudolph is an average or slightly below backup, so overall the room should be middles of the pack.
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Which teams do you rank lower?
 
massraider said:
Anarchy99 said:
I posted this almost 20 pages ago. These were Rodgers' efficiency metrics from last year. Do folks think he will do better on a new team and a year older?
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If a QB goes from the Jets to the Steelers, I'm going to bet on new team every time, any age.

I'm not optimistic about Rodgers, because he's old. But I'm not going to ignore the fact that two years with the Jets isn't paradise
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I hear you. Jets fans have been battered for sure. I do wonder about how a new team will compare as I do like the weapons Rodgers had in NY. I know I keep saying it but it's the only real truth I know - We'll see. Should be interesting.
 
Drunken Cowboy said:
Anarchy99 said:
Anarchy99 said:
There's a lot of ways to spin the numbers. While Rodgers counting stats were still pretty solid, his efficiency numbers weren't that great. Counting only those QBs that qualified (36), here were some of his rankings . . .

Sack % - 19th
QB Rating - 21st
AY/A - 22nd
ANY/A - 24th
NY/A - 27th
YPA - 28th
Completion % - 30th

Additionally, he performed at his worse when it mattered the most. When trailing with less than 4 minutes to play, his QB rating was 60.9. When trailing with less than 2 minutes to play, that dropped to a QB rating of 23.4.
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I posted this almost 20 pages ago. These were Rodgers' efficiency metrics from last year. Do folks think he will do better on a new team and a year older? Also, in terms of counting stats, in terms of passing attempts, PIT had over 100 fewer passing attempts than the Jets did. What do folks project he will have as a stat line?
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The Jets playcalling and terrible O line had a lot to do with the short passes. The completion percentage was highly impacted by a nearly 10% drop rate. If he will buy into Smith's offense, a new team and a year farther from injury he has a good chance to significantly improve these.
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The Steelers OLine is equally as terrible as the Jets, they're right next to the Jets in terms of rankings.

Maybe Rodgers saving grace is that Arthur Smith will have a run dominant offense. The receiving weapons PIT has aren't as good as Rodgers had in New York so it makes sense to hand the ball off more. Honestly, the more I dig into Arthur Smith and the offense he runs, I don't really see why they went after Rodgers, Fields seemed like a much better fit. Smith runs a run heavy, pass light offense.
 
Joe Bryant said:
I don't think the "can the aging Hall Of Famer regain respect and show he can still play" angle is the main thing.
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I’m inclined to believe that’s the *only* thing. It’s all that actually matters, and really it should be all that matters to the Steelers.

In the other ARod vs other QB discussions, you’d said that the Steelers (like any NFL org) want to win. That bringing in ARod over say, going with Rudolph, is based entirely on that.

rzrback77 said:
My suspicion is that Rodgers and Metcalf become oil and water and the whole seasons goes south.
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I can’t recall who’s feed it was, but I read an interesting Bluesky thread about DKM’s propensity for improvisation, and ARod’s reliance on running crisp routes and making anticipatory throws.

Oil & water was essentially the conclusion there as well. That it would either be a banner year for ARod Ints, or lead to a blowup between ARod & DKM.

The other bit of speculation was how well ARod would play in a Smith offense, given the amount of play action & that ARod reportedly doesn’t like to turn his back to the defense. So it might not just be a bad fit between ARod & DKM, but also between ARod & Smith.

If I can remember whose feed it was I’ll come back and edit, but I found both points to be potentially valid.

But then again, it’s slow news day month, so maybe it’s just an excuse to put down 1000 words and get a paycheck. I do recall it being a sports writer I follow, and I try not to follow dudes who fit in the latter category.
 
Snotbubbles said:
Honestly, the more I dig into Arthur Smith and the offense he runs, I don't really see why they went after Rodgers, Fields seemed like a much better fit. Smith runs a run heavy, pass light offense.
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I sort of agree, except the shackled Fields legs. Honestly Russell Wilson was probably a better fit than Fields in that offense, only because putting Fields in there is a waste of the 1 thing he’s really, really good at.

I’ve mentioned it before but forcing Fields to be a pocket passer was pretty bad at times. Statistically the results look better than they should have seeing as Fields had several fumbles that weren’t FL. So in the stats they don’t show up as turnovers, but absolutely could have been. I’d say there were at least 4 times he was simply very lucky to not lose the fumbles.
 
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Steelers signed Aaron Rodgers after failing on two other QB options, per report

Pittsburgh made the most of the offseason quarterback market, but Rodgers wasn't the Steelers' first priority
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Aaron Rodgers has officially signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers, but he wasn't the first option — or second — according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. The four-time NFL MVP and former Super Bowl champion is on a one-year deal after ending his free agency. And while Rodgers was the best "available" choice according to Schefter, owner Art Rooney II and the Steelers had to go with the hand they were dealt. "This was the third option for the Pittsburgh Steelers," Schefter said Friday on NFL Live. "They were in on Matthew Stafford and couldn't get done a trade. They tried to re-sign Justin Fields, he opted to go to the New York Jets, where he will meet Rodgers on opening day. And after they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford and couldn't get Fields re-signed, they pivoted to Rodgers."
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fatness said:
www.cbssports.com

Steelers signed Aaron Rodgers after failing on two other QB options, per report

Pittsburgh made the most of the offseason quarterback market, but Rodgers wasn't the Steelers' first priority
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Aaron Rodgers has officially signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers, but he wasn't the first option — or second — according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. The four-time NFL MVP and former Super Bowl champion is on a one-year deal after ending his free agency. And while Rodgers was the best "available" choice according to Schefter, owner Art Rooney II and the Steelers had to go with the hand they were dealt. "This was the third option for the Pittsburgh Steelers," Schefter said Friday on NFL Live. "They were in on Matthew Stafford and couldn't get done a trade. They tried to re-sign Justin Fields, he opted to go to the New York Jets, where he will meet Rodgers on opening day. And after they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford and couldn't get Fields re-signed, they pivoted to Rodgers."
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Good example of how lots of times, there's a lot going on behind the scenes.
 
Joe Bryant said:
fatness said:
www.cbssports.com

Steelers signed Aaron Rodgers after failing on two other QB options, per report

Pittsburgh made the most of the offseason quarterback market, but Rodgers wasn't the Steelers' first priority
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Aaron Rodgers has officially signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers, but he wasn't the first option — or second — according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. The four-time NFL MVP and former Super Bowl champion is on a one-year deal after ending his free agency. And while Rodgers was the best "available" choice according to Schefter, owner Art Rooney II and the Steelers had to go with the hand they were dealt. "This was the third option for the Pittsburgh Steelers," Schefter said Friday on NFL Live. "They were in on Matthew Stafford and couldn't get done a trade. They tried to re-sign Justin Fields, he opted to go to the New York Jets, where he will meet Rodgers on opening day. And after they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford and couldn't get Fields re-signed, they pivoted to Rodgers."
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Good example of how lots of times, there's a lot going on behind the scenes.
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Even the Schefter report could be leaving out key details. "In on Stafford" could have been making one phone call to see if he was available (sounds like he was never going anywhere). And they could have gone to Fields and asked him to come back at a discount or to compete for playing time. Given that they declined his 5th year option and then sat him for Wilson, if I were Fields, I would have opted to move on. (Maybe they told him all along he wasn't going to be their regular starter last year, I have no idea.) As an observer, I got the sense they were never that into Fields, so I would be surprised if they offered him what the Jets gave him.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Joe Bryant said:
fatness said:
www.cbssports.com

Steelers signed Aaron Rodgers after failing on two other QB options, per report

Pittsburgh made the most of the offseason quarterback market, but Rodgers wasn't the Steelers' first priority
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Aaron Rodgers has officially signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers, but he wasn't the first option — or second — according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. The four-time NFL MVP and former Super Bowl champion is on a one-year deal after ending his free agency. And while Rodgers was the best "available" choice according to Schefter, owner Art Rooney II and the Steelers had to go with the hand they were dealt. "This was the third option for the Pittsburgh Steelers," Schefter said Friday on NFL Live. "They were in on Matthew Stafford and couldn't get done a trade. They tried to re-sign Justin Fields, he opted to go to the New York Jets, where he will meet Rodgers on opening day. And after they couldn't get a trade done for Stafford and couldn't get Fields re-signed, they pivoted to Rodgers."
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Good example of how lots of times, there's a lot going on behind the scenes.
Click to expand...
Even the Schefter report could be leaving out key details. "In on Stafford" could have been making one phone call to see if he was available (sounds like he was never going anywhere). And they could have gone to Fields and asked him to come back at a discount or to compete for playing time. Given that they declined his 5th year option and then sat him for Wilson, if I were Fields, I would have opted to move on. (Maybe they told him all along he wasn't going to be their regular starter last year, I have no idea.) As an observer, I got the sense they were never that into Fields, so I would be surprised if they offered him what the Jets gave him.
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This Stafford article was the first thing I thought about after reading your post.
 
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