QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (9 Viewers)

[Joe Bryant]

But the guy is 42 years old in December.

To be fair though, at the end of the 2025 season, Rodgers, at 42, will be a year and a half younger than Brady when he won his last Super Bowl.

And sure, it's a dangerous game comparing players to Brady. But it's good for perspective.

But you are totally correct in the personality stuff is one thing. But time is definitely undefeated.

Brady was an alien.

Brees played relatively well at 41 and I might be able to shake the "relatively" part of that if he did not have the arm/shoulder issues.

Now, both of them may be aliens and I feel like they grinded harder during the off-season then Rodgers-who I feel like wandered off with other interests during his free time.

But there is something to be said for him maybe picking it a up notch from his already decent play last year with the extra year removed form his achilles. And I think motivation will be super high with him.

Nothing in my wildest imagination thinks he's returning to MVP form but I think he's got a shot to give league average type performance.

Yes. The "you can't play well at 41" thing is always interesting. As of course the conversation then goes to. "Except for Brady who was a year and half older when he won the Super Bowl... And Drew Brees... "

Of course, it's tough to compare players to Hall of Famers.

But it's easier when the player you're comparing is also a first ballot Hall of Famer.

It's a fun discussion.

And yes, I don't think anyone is thinking MVP. It's why I said I thought his ranking at QB14 on the Ringer was about right.

I do like the culture and weapons in Pittsburgh if if were to work out.

 

[rockaction]

It's why I said I thought his ranking at QB14 on the Ringer was about right.

He's not QB14. I looked at that list. They had Mayfield, Daniels, Purdy, Maye, Tua, Hurts, Bo Nix, and others behind him.

Not from what I saw last year. Mayfield, Daniels, and Purdy should want a word with The Ringer, and I think they'd be right to.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It's why I said I thought his ranking at QB14 on the Ringer was about right.

He's not QB14. I looked at that list. They had Mayfield, Daniels, Purdy, Maye, Tua, Hurts, Bo Nix, and others behind him.

Not from what I saw last year. Mayfield, Daniels, and Purdy should want a word with The Ringer, and I think they'd be right to.

I agree, seems a bit high for Rodgers. He played well enough to be a starter in this league, but shouldn’t be in the top half ranking of starters imo. Maybe you get bonus points for age in their formula, cannot think of any other reason for being ahead of most of the guys you listed.

 

[Joe Bryant]

He's not QB14. I looked at that list.

He is QB 14 on the Ringer List.

I also thought the Ringer's ranking was about right. https://nflrankings.theringer.com/qb-rankings

As with all lists, it's fun and encouraged to debate and disagree with where the players are and who's above and below. I don't have a comment on the other rankings. But I agree with The Ringer in having Rodgers about QB 14.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Interesting. From the Florio article:

Upcoming event in a couple of weeks...

https://www.ticketmaster.com/pat-mcafee-big-night-out-tickets/artist/3565739

 

[rockaction]

He is QB 14 on the Ringer List.

He absolutely is. I was just disagreeing colloquially and it looks like I was saying something different on the page.

I was saying, "I've seen that list. I do not agree at all."

It had Daniels, Mayfield, and Purdy behind him. I think those are glaring examples of guys who had much better years (and are better) than Rodgers is right now.

 

[Joe Bryant]

He is QB 14 on the Ringer List.

He absolutely is. I was just disagreeing colloquially and it looks like I was saying something different on the page.

I was saying, "I've seen that list. I do not agree at all."

It had Daniels, Mayfield, and Purdy behind him. I think those are glaring examples of guys who had much better years (and are better) than Rodgers is right now.

Understood. That's the beauty of lists. There are also players on the list like Prescott and Smith ranked higher than some people like.

Among QBs, where do you rank Rodgers?

 

[rockaction]

Understood

I'm sorry about that. I wasn't very clear.

Among QBs, where do you rank Rodgers?

I think I'd rank him 22nd.

That would be the thirteen The Ringer has before him and then 14) Mayfield, 15) Purdy, 16) Daniels, 17) Hurts, 18) Carr, 19) Maye, 20) Cousins and even 21) Caleb Williams. I would not rank Tua Tagavailoa ahead of him. I'm looking at this and thinking who I'd want playing for me this upcoming year and not even thinking long-term and I've still got him that low. I had a nice front-row seat to watch Rodgers this year and compare him to a lot of other guys.

I'm not even factoring in the personality/interviews/front office skullduggery—or anything like that. I'm talking quarterback play.

If there is something that is both a function of his personality and affecting play; e.g., prep time, being uncoachable about audibles, calling his own plays, and insisting on running an offense from 2012, I ding him for those things because those things affect his performance and should be viewed that way.

He's a statue back there, threw some mind-boggling picks, and was generally inaccurate. The first half of every game was like pulling teeth. Then he would seem to get warm and look like a decent QB, but one cannot discount half of a game nearly every game.

I think ranking Mayfield below him given what Baker did last year and the year before is probably the worst of these. Purdy and Daniels is almost as bad.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Understood

I'm sorry about that. I wasn't very clear.

Among QBs, where do you rank Rodgers?

I think I'd rank him 22nd.

That would be the thirteen The Ringer has before him and then 14) Mayfield, 15) Purdy, 16) Daniels, 17) Hurts, 18) Carr, 19) Maye, 20) Cousins and even 21) Caleb Williams. I would not rank Tua Tagavailoa ahead of him. I'm looking at this and thinking who I'd want playing for me this upcoming year and not even thinking long-term and I've still got him that low. I had a nice front-row seat to watch Rodgers this year and compare him to a lot of other guys.

I'm not even factoring in the personality/interviews/front office skullduggery—or anything like that. I'm talking quarterback play.

If there is something that is both a function of his personality and affecting play; e.g., prep time, being uncoachable about audibles, calling his own plays, and insisting on running an offense from 2012, I ding him for those things because those things affect his performance and should be viewed that way.

He's a statue back there, threw some mind-boggling picks, and was generally inaccurate. The first half of every game was like pulling teeth. Then he would seem to get warm and look like a decent QB, but one cannot discount half of a game nearly every game.

I think ranking Mayfield below him given what Baker did last year and the year before is probably the worst of these. Purdy and Daniels is almost as bad.

Thanks GB. All good. I can see those things too. And you're likely way more in the majority than I and Ruiz from the Ringer are on Rodgers. But that's what makes the game fun.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nothing in my wildest imagination thinks he's returning to MVP form but I think he's got a shot to give league average type performance.

League average performance for league average pay? That's what I'd care about most where I an NFL team, at this stage any way. If he's only going to be expected to supply league average performance, then as a team I'd only be offering him "league average starter" cash.

I'm not saying he has told anyone he is expecting more than that, because I haven't seen any reports with reliable numbers attached that have come from his camp. Just speaking in general. If there is any veracity at all to the "40+ million per" nonsense from a couple weeks ago, I can't believe any team would be talking to him very seriously (I certainly wouldn't be in their place), so I assume he/teams (in this case it appears it's just Pittsburgh now) are talking about 30ish million per, max, which would be pretty much "average salary of all 32 starting quarterbacks in 2025".

I'd wager the Steelers won't want to be guaranteeing much/anything beyond year one and that could be the "primary sticking point to buttoning things up" if all other things are equal, since I expect he's likely seeking a couple years guaranteed.

(ETA: In no way am I intimating I am in favor of the Steelers pursuit of Rodgers at all, let alone at 30 million per season. It just seems like it's in the "this gon' happen, whether 5-ish wants it to or not" phase, and I'd rather see them pay him like the 19th-20th most expensive QB in the league next year rather than the 13th-14th. If I was being honest, I'd prolly still rather they just say "eff it" and bring in Flacco for a dollar fitty and let the chips fall. )

$30-$35M with an additional $10M-$15M for a trip to the Super Bowl that they won't reach but I would make it very incentive heavy if Rodgers were to deliver the Steelers a deep Playoff run, I would think he would want it and the Steelers, something perhaps larger than we've ever seen as a Super Bowl bonus that could be spread out over a couple seasons to limit future cap hell.

There are ways to do it, maybe he shouldn't get more than $25M at this point, what did Brady get with the Bucs? I think it was under the top QBs

 

[Joe Bryant]

Nothing in my wildest imagination thinks he's returning to MVP form but I think he's got a shot to give league average type performance.

League average performance for league average pay? That's what I'd care about most where I an NFL team, at this stage any way. If he's only going to be expected to supply league average performance, then as a team I'd only be offering him "league average starter" cash.

I'm not saying he has told anyone he is expecting more than that, because I haven't seen any reports with reliable numbers attached that have come from his camp. Just speaking in general. If there is any veracity at all to the "40+ million per" nonsense from a couple weeks ago, I can't believe any team would be talking to him very seriously (I certainly wouldn't be in their place), so I assume he/teams (in this case it appears it's just Pittsburgh now) are talking about 30ish million per, max, which would be pretty much "average salary of all 32 starting quarterbacks in 2025".

I'd wager the Steelers won't want to be guaranteeing much/anything beyond year one and that could be the "primary sticking point to buttoning things up" if all other things are equal, since I expect he's likely seeking a couple years guaranteed.

(ETA: In no way am I intimating I am in favor of the Steelers pursuit of Rodgers at all, let alone at 30 million per season. It just seems like it's in the "this gon' happen, whether 5-ish wants it to or not" phase, and I'd rather see them pay him like the 19th-20th most expensive QB in the league next year rather than the 13th-14th. If I was being honest, I'd prolly still rather they just say "eff it" and bring in Flacco for a dollar fitty and let the chips fall. )

$30-$35M with an additional $10M-$15M for a trip to the Super Bowl that they won't reach but I would make it very incentive heavy if Rodgers were to deliver the Steelers a deep Playoff run, I would think he would want it and the Steelers, something perhaps larger than we've ever seen as a Super Bowl bonus that could be spread out over a couple seasons to limit future cap hell.

There are ways to do it, maybe he shouldn't get more than $25M at this point, what did Brady get with the Bucs? I think it was under the top QBs

Agreed. I can see something like that. Of all the things people think of him, he's not dumb. I expect he understands his market value. I'd expect something reasonable from him assuming he wants to play. If he really doesn't want to play, I could see him throwing out something way above market just to see. But my guess is he wants to play one more year. And the Steelers seem like a good fit. Great organization culture, weapons and a veteran no nonsense head coach.

 

[menobrown]

Just going to mention on contract that Justin Fields is the lowest paid *designated starting QB in the league who is not playing on his rookie deal and he's at $20M APY. The only other starting QB not on his rookie deal under $33M is Geno who they are working on trying to extend him and it's very likely that once that happens Justin Fields will become the only starting QB in the league not on his rookie deal who is not getting paid at least $33M.

*Daniel Jones at $14M could win that job, but he's not what I'd term the designated starter.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just going to mention on contract that Justin Fields is the lowest paid *designated starting QB in the league who is not playing on his rookie deal and he's at $20M APY. The only other starting QB not on his rookie deal under $33M is Geno who they are working on trying to extend him and it's very likely that once that happens Justin Fields will become the only starting QB in the league not on his rookie deal who is not getting paid at least $33M.

*Daniel Jones at $14M could win that job, but he's not what I'd term the designated starter.

I agree with you but I think you are overlooking QBs on their rookie deals from the past 2-3 seasons that are clearly the starting QBs on their teams, almost ALL of the QBs taken last season, all 6 of them are slated to be starting QBs on their teams this season

-But for anyone not on their rookie deal which you did sorta mention, the going rate is clearly more in the $45M-$50M+ range which is where you likely are going here
No matter what we think Rodgers is worth, the market is likely gonna reward him with $40M-$45M minimum for the year and that's before incentives
That's the more likely scenario than the $30m$35M+ I laid out, totally get where you are coming from

Aaron would also be the OLDEST starting QB in the NFL and after what he did the last couple season in New York, injury and all, he's lucky anyone wants to talk to him

 

[menobrown]

Just going to mention on contract that Justin Fields is the lowest paid *designated starting QB in the league who is not playing on his rookie deal and he's at $20M APY. The only other starting QB not on his rookie deal under $33M is Geno who they are working on trying to extend him and it's very likely that once that happens Justin Fields will become the only starting QB in the league not on his rookie deal who is not getting paid at least $33M.

*Daniel Jones at $14M could win that job, but he's not what I'd term the designated starter.

I agree with you but I think you are overlooking QBs on their rookie deals from the past 2-3 seasons that are clearly the starting QBs on their teams, almost ALL of the QBs taken last season, all 6 of them are slated to be starting QBs on their teams this season

-But for anyone not on their rookie deal which you did sorta mention, the going rate is clearly more in the $45M-$50M+ range which is where you likely are going here
No matter what we think Rodgers is worth, the market is likely gonna reward him with $40M-$45M minimum for the year and that's before incentives
That's the more likely scenario than the $30m$35M+ I laid out, totally get where you are coming from

Aaron would also be the OLDEST starting QB in the NFL and after what he did the last couple season in New York, injury and all, he's lucky anyone wants to talk to him

Sorry but not sure what you mean when you I'm overlooking QB's on their rookie deals? I referenced them.

I'm simply making the point you can't really factor those contract into what you QB's on the open market are paid.

 

[sm8680]

In all honesty, I'd like to rank Aaron Rodgers as the number one retired QB. So let's make that dream a reality. Honestly, I think the Steelers' current courtship of Rodgers feels like swiping right on someone who you know has commitment issues, but you’re hoping they’ll change just for you.

 

[travdogg]

Aaron was not banging on their door and it doesn't sound like Pittsburgh really wants him either

I believe he's been their #1 target since FA opened.

Agreed.

I think the media has successfully gotten people worked up about nothing. Rodgers hasn't made any statements, hasn't done anything to suggest he's got a list of demands or what have you. He's just been quietly weighing his options, while every day there is a new story about him, that is almost certainly pulled from thin air. This visit is the first real thing he's done.

I hate that I have had to defend Aaron Rodgers all of March, but its been wild how he's being treated by the media. You'd think he was on TV lying and contradicting himself every day given what gets said.

Ah, I see you're standing up for Aaron Rodgers! Let me guess, it's because he's single-handedly carried your fantasy football team to glory so many times, you feel like you owe him a statue in your living room.

I don't think anyone thinks they need a statue.

It's talk about a player that might possibly be a starting QB this year. If he is, he'll have some value in fantasy football to some people. Talking about that kind of stuff is pretty much what we do on the forums.

Joe keep in mind I'm just poking fun.

Fair point, Joe. You're just doing your job keeping the forums on track and focused on fantasy football potential. But I have to say, Travdogg has been so dedicated to defending Aaron Rodgers, I’m starting to wonder if he’s secretly on Rodgers’ payroll as his PR manager. If Travdogg starts redirecting questions about Rodgers to ‘his agent’ or declines to comment further for ‘contractual reasons,’ we’ll know the truth!

I wish I was on his payroll. It'd be awesome if I got paid to not even have to be THAT complimentary of someone. I don't think I said anything that controversial, all I said was that the media is making things up for clicks, that Rodgers wasn't anywhere near the 2024 Jets biggest problem, and that he's a better person than Favre. I'm far from a Rodgers fan, hell I'm a lifelong Bears fan, but it does seem like he's being railroaded a bit.

I'm personally of the belief the Steelers should have stuck with Fields, and that includes never benching him for Wilson in the 1st place. I'd rather have either than Rodgers, but I'd rather have Rodgers than Rudolph, or Winston, or any rookie sans Ward/Sanders.

As to the Rodgers QB ranking, I'd have him in the 20-30 range. I think any ranking of Rodgers>Daniels is wild. Daniels is arguably already a top 5 overall NFL player. Rodgers is 4 years (and an Achilles tear) removed from that conversation.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

 

[eighsse2]

Aaron was not banging on their door and it doesn't sound like Pittsburgh really wants him either

I believe he's been their #1 target since FA opened.

Agreed.

I think the media has successfully gotten people worked up about nothing. Rodgers hasn't made any statements, hasn't done anything to suggest he's got a list of demands or what have you. He's just been quietly weighing his options, while every day there is a new story about him, that is almost certainly pulled from thin air. This visit is the first real thing he's done.

I hate that I have had to defend Aaron Rodgers all of March, but its been wild how he's being treated by the media. You'd think he was on TV lying and contradicting himself every day given what gets said.

Ah, I see you're standing up for Aaron Rodgers! Let me guess, it's because he's single-handedly carried your fantasy football team to glory so many times, you feel like you owe him a statue in your living room.

I don't think anyone thinks they need a statue.

It's talk about a player that might possibly be a starting QB this year. If he is, he'll have some value in fantasy football to some people. Talking about that kind of stuff is pretty much what we do on the forums.

Joe keep in mind I'm just poking fun.

Fair point, Joe. You're just doing your job keeping the forums on track and focused on fantasy football potential. But I have to say, Travdogg has been so dedicated to defending Aaron Rodgers, I’m starting to wonder if he’s secretly on Rodgers’ payroll as his PR manager. If Travdogg starts redirecting questions about Rodgers to ‘his agent’ or declines to comment further for ‘contractual reasons,’ we’ll know the truth!

I wish I was on his payroll. It'd be awesome if I got paid to not even have to be THAT complimentary of someone. I don't think I said anything that controversial, all I said was that the media is making things up for clicks, that Rodgers wasn't anywhere near the 2024 Jets biggest problem, and that he's a better person than Favre. I'm far from a Rodgers fan, hell I'm a lifelong Bears fan, but it does seem like he's being railroaded a bit.

I'm personally of the belief the Steelers should have stuck with Fields, and that includes never benching him for Wilson in the 1st place. I'd rather have either than Rodgers, but I'd rather have Rodgers than Rudolph, or Winston, or any rookie sans Ward/Sanders.

As to the Rodgers QB ranking, I'd have him in the 20-30 range. I think any ranking of Rodgers>Daniels is wild. Daniels is arguably already a top 5 overall NFL player. Rodgers is 4 years (and an Achilles tear) removed from that conversation.

I agree that Rodgers over Daniels seems crazy. I would say there is one huge reason you could push for that, though. 9,000 plays of excellence versus 600 plays of excellence. Things change very quickly. A year ago a lot of people might as well have been inducting Stroud into the Hall of Fame. Flukey rookie seasons happen, but in Rodgers' case, we know at this point his success was not a fluke. That doesn't mean I'd put Rodgers over Daniels for 2025. Not even close. But if you're going to make the case, that's your best angle. I believe there are way too many counterarguments for it to be a very reasonable take. But it's not insane, if it's a flag-plant kind of thing.

 

[travdogg]

Aaron was not banging on their door and it doesn't sound like Pittsburgh really wants him either

I believe he's been their #1 target since FA opened.

Agreed.

I think the media has successfully gotten people worked up about nothing. Rodgers hasn't made any statements, hasn't done anything to suggest he's got a list of demands or what have you. He's just been quietly weighing his options, while every day there is a new story about him, that is almost certainly pulled from thin air. This visit is the first real thing he's done.

I hate that I have had to defend Aaron Rodgers all of March, but its been wild how he's being treated by the media. You'd think he was on TV lying and contradicting himself every day given what gets said.

Ah, I see you're standing up for Aaron Rodgers! Let me guess, it's because he's single-handedly carried your fantasy football team to glory so many times, you feel like you owe him a statue in your living room.

I don't think anyone thinks they need a statue.

It's talk about a player that might possibly be a starting QB this year. If he is, he'll have some value in fantasy football to some people. Talking about that kind of stuff is pretty much what we do on the forums.

Joe keep in mind I'm just poking fun.

Fair point, Joe. You're just doing your job keeping the forums on track and focused on fantasy football potential. But I have to say, Travdogg has been so dedicated to defending Aaron Rodgers, I’m starting to wonder if he’s secretly on Rodgers’ payroll as his PR manager. If Travdogg starts redirecting questions about Rodgers to ‘his agent’ or declines to comment further for ‘contractual reasons,’ we’ll know the truth!

I wish I was on his payroll. It'd be awesome if I got paid to not even have to be THAT complimentary of someone. I don't think I said anything that controversial, all I said was that the media is making things up for clicks, that Rodgers wasn't anywhere near the 2024 Jets biggest problem, and that he's a better person than Favre. I'm far from a Rodgers fan, hell I'm a lifelong Bears fan, but it does seem like he's being railroaded a bit.

I'm personally of the belief the Steelers should have stuck with Fields, and that includes never benching him for Wilson in the 1st place. I'd rather have either than Rodgers, but I'd rather have Rodgers than Rudolph, or Winston, or any rookie sans Ward/Sanders.

As to the Rodgers QB ranking, I'd have him in the 20-30 range. I think any ranking of Rodgers>Daniels is wild. Daniels is arguably already a top 5 overall NFL player. Rodgers is 4 years (and an Achilles tear) removed from that conversation.

I agree that Rodgers over Daniels seems crazy. I would say there is one huge reason you could push for that, though. 9,000 plays of excellence versus 600 plays of excellence. Things change very quickly. A year ago a lot of people might as well have been inducting Stroud into the Hall of Fame. Flukey rookie seasons happen, but in Rodgers' case, we know at this point his success was not a fluke. That doesn't mean I'd put Rodgers over Daniels for 2025. Not even close. But if you're going to make the case, that's your best angle. I believe there are way too many counterarguments for it to be a very reasonable take. But it's not insane, if it's a flag-plant kind of thing.

I get that, but A) Stroud while impressive, wasn't even close to as good as Daniels his rookie season, and B) Rodgers hasn't been THAT guy since 2021.

To be fair I think that Ringer list is pretty bad. I think Stafford is being ranked as if its still 2021, and Jordan Love is just wild at #7. I'd pushback on Dak at #9 too, as he looked like a guy who got paid before he got hurt last season. Not to hijack, but my top 10 would be:
1. Allen
2. Jackson
3. Mahomes
4. Burrow
5. Daniels (20th has got to be some kind of weird bias)
6. Herbert
7. Hurts (15th is just disrespectful at this point)
8. Geno
9. Purdy
10. Stroud

I'd keep an eye on JJ McCarthy to be a top 10 guy (7-8 range) this time next year, as I think he's more talented than Cousins/Darnold were. Cam Ward is also a guy I really like, where I hope he lands somewhere favorable.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Interesting. I've never thought of Ringer or Ruiz as farces designed to evoke rage and achieve engagement. They're one of the best sites on the internet in my opinion.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

 

[Da Guru]

Not talking just about Rodgers here I always find the "Market Value" interesting. Market Value should only matter if there are a number of teams are interested in said player or whoever.

If only one team is interested in an UFA the player has zero leverage, or zero market value.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Not talking just about Rodgers here I always find the "Market Value" interesting. Market Value should only matter if there are a number of teams are interested in said player or whoever.

If only one team is interested in an UFA the player has zero leverage, or zero market value.

Sure, more leverage will drive value. Rodgers' leverage aside from New York is he has other things outside of playing QB he can do. Including nothing.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I think the longer this goes, the more serious the issue becomes for the teams left out. Waiting it out carries a real risk. At some point, you need to move on, make some decisions, and get your ducks lined up. The problem is that teams have waited this long, and players you could have snapped up and used cap assets for are already spoken for.

What a mess.

 

[MAC_32]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

I wouldn't.

 

[BassNBrew]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

Sorry J, I tried but ran out of fingers and toes. I'd put him in the neighborhood of Winston.

Any list list that has Rodgers ahead of Hurts is a joke and belongs in a dumpster. 32 out of 32 GMs take Hurts over Rodgers as their QB this year. Sure opinions are great and all, but we had this conversation last year about Adonai Mitchell being a FF WR2. Some ranking are so preposterous that they undermine the credibility of the author.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

Sorry J, I tried but ran out of fingers and toes. I'd put him in the neighborhood of Winston.

Any list list that has Rodgers ahead of Hurts is a joke and belongs in a dumpster. 32 out of 32 GMs take Hurts over Rodgers as their QB this year. Sure opinions are great and all, but we had this conversation last year about Adonai Mitchell being a FF WR2. Some ranking are so preposterous that they undermine the credibility of the author.

Thanks. So around QB 35-40? I'm sure you have plenty of company ranking him that low.

He finished #8 in passing yards and 21st in passer rating last year, but there are certainly other stats to weigh, and he didn't do as well in every area.

We can disagree on Ruiz. I've found his content over the years to be solid.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

Not in the top 20. And not in the same league as Daniels, Hurts and Mayfield.

 

[BassNBrew]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

Sorry J, I tried but ran out of fingers and toes. I'd put him in the neighborhood of Winston.

Any list list that has Rodgers ahead of Hurts is a joke and belongs in a dumpster. 32 out of 32 GMs take Hurts over Rodgers as their QB this year. Sure opinions are great and all, but we had this conversation last year about Adonai Mitchell being a FF WR2. Some ranking are so preposterous that they undermine the credibility of the author.

Thanks. So around QB 35-40? I'm sure you have plenty of company ranking him that low.

He finished #8 in passing yards and 21st in passer rating last year, but there are certainly other stats to weigh, and he didn't do as well in every area.

We can disagree on Ruiz. I've found his content over the years to be solid.

QB 20 or below so wavier wire fodder / bye week filler so non rooster-able in most leagues. He finished QB24 on a ppg basis based on FBG scoring.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

Sorry J, I tried but ran out of fingers and toes. I'd put him in the neighborhood of Winston.

Any list list that has Rodgers ahead of Hurts is a joke and belongs in a dumpster. 32 out of 32 GMs take Hurts over Rodgers as their QB this year. Sure opinions are great and all, but we had this conversation last year about Adonai Mitchell being a FF WR2. Some ranking are so preposterous that they undermine the credibility of the author.

Thanks. So around QB 35-40? I'm sure you have plenty of company ranking him that low.

He finished #8 in passing yards and 21st in passer rating last year, but there are certainly other stats to weigh, and he didn't do as well in every area.

We can disagree on Ruiz. I've found his content over the years to be solid.

QB 20 or below so wavier wire fodder / bye week filler so non rooster-able in most leagues. He finished QB24 on a ppg basis based on FBG scoring.

Thanks.

And to be clear, I'm talking about real life QB on all this. Not fantasy points. That's a different discussion.

He finished #8 in passing yards and 21st in passer rating last year, but there are certainly other stats to weigh, and he didn't do as well in every area.

 

[eighsse2]

Some lists are serious. Others are farces designed to evoke rage and achieve “engagement.” It’s pretty obvious which one the Ringer’s list is.

Where would you rank Rodgers among QBs?

Sorry J, I tried but ran out of fingers and toes. I'd put him in the neighborhood of Winston.

Any list list that has Rodgers ahead of Hurts is a joke and belongs in a dumpster. 32 out of 32 GMs take Hurts over Rodgers as their QB this year. Sure opinions are great and all, but we had this conversation last year about Adonai Mitchell being a FF WR2. Some ranking are so preposterous that they undermine the credibility of the author.

Thanks. So around QB 35-40? I'm sure you have plenty of company ranking him that low.

He finished #8 in passing yards and 21st in passer rating last year, but there are certainly other stats to weigh, and he didn't do as well in every area.

We can disagree on Ruiz. I've found his content over the years to be solid.

QB 20 or below so wavier wire fodder / bye week filler so non rooster-able in most leagues. He finished QB24 on a ppg basis based on FBG scoring.

Thanks.

And to be clear, I'm talking about real life QB on all this. Not fantasy points. That's a different discussion.

He finished #8 in passing yards and 21st in passer rating last year, but there are certainly other stats to weigh, and he didn't do as well in every area.

Yeah, I felt pretty optimistic for his 2025 prospects when I saw his passing yards, but then I saw his rate stats were not so great. How much of that was due to playing for the Jets, I don't know. I'm on the fence at this point as to whether I'd feel good about having him as QB on an NFL team. Would not put it past him to ball out. But I don't believe it's likely.

 

[Anarchy99]

I'm talking about real life QB on all this.

There's a lot of ways to spin the numbers. While Rodgers counting stats were still pretty solid, his efficiency numbers weren't that great. Counting only those QBs that qualified (36), here were some of his rankings . . .

Sack % - 19th
QB Rating - 21st
AY/A - 22nd
ANY/Y - 24th
NY/A - 27th
YPA - 28th
Completion % - 30th

Additionally, he performed at his worse when it mattered the most. When trailing with less than 4 minutes to play, his QB rating was 60.9. When trailing with less than 2 minutes to play, that dropped to a QB rating of 23.4.

Like most QBs, I think it would depend on what he has to work with in terms of pass protection, running game, receiving talent, and play calling on a new team. He could probably put up decent numbers and win games on a team with a good roster and supporting players. But on a team with a lot of question marks, he's well past the point where a team will win just by having him leading the offense. IMO, I don't think he's as good as late career Brady or as bad as late career Peyton. He's probably somewhere in the middle. As others have mentioned, the wheels could come of quickly for guys his age.

 

[menobrown]

Just did a quick ranking and would put him QB23 for next season in real life but would view it as pretty close to a lot of players above him and would not view it as crazy to think he could end performing to a level of a top half of the league QB.

 

[MTskibum]

It is difficult to compare an older game manager who gets by on decision making verse a young athletic QB who can make more throws but might make worse decisions.

It is also difficult it is to judge any jets player. Typically players look worse when playing for the jets when compared to their time on other teams.

However, Rodgers is old and had major injury two seasons ago. Neither Big Ben nor Manning improved their 2nd year after their late career injuries, rather that was a start of a downward spiral. Is Rodger's achilles issue going to effect him more in year 2 than in year 1?

I think anywhere in the 12-26 range is fair.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm talking about real life QB on all this.

There's a lot of ways to spin the numbers. While Rodgers counting stats were still pretty solid, his efficiency numbers weren't that great. Counting only those QBs that qualified (36), here were some of his rankings . . .

Sack % - 19th
QB Rating - 21st
AY/A - 22nd
ANY/Y - 24th
NY/A - 27th
YPA - 28th
Completion % - 30th

Additionally, he performed at his worse when it mattered the most. When trailing with less than 4 minutes to play, his QB rating was 60.9. When trailing with less than 2 minutes to play, that dropped to a QB rating of 23.4.

Like most QBs, I think it would depend on what he has to work with in terms of pass protection, running game, receiving talent, and play calling on a new team. He could probably put up decent numbers and win games on a team with a good roster and supporting players. But on a team with a lot of question marks, he's well past the point where a team will win just by having him leading the offense. IMO, I don't think he's as good as late career Brady or as bad as late career Peyton. He's probably somewhere in the middle. As others have mentioned, the wheels could come of quickly for guys his age.

Of course. that's why I was clear to say,

He finished #8 in passing yards and 21st in passer rating last year, but there are certainly other stats to weigh, and he didn't do as well in every area.

 

[Mitchie]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

 

[-OZ-]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Specifically, a rookie HC who had been a defensive coordinator in Rodgers division when AR was last decent. Which really could have gone either way, but Glenn is quite familiar with AAron.

 

[sm8680]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Specifically, a rookie HC who had been a defensive coordinator in Rodgers division when AR was last decent. Which really could have gone either way, but Glenn is quite familiar with AAron.

Aaron Glenn was there for AR's last pass as a Packer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1jfdyt9/highlight_aaron_rodgers_throws_his_last_pass_as_a/

 

[massraider]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

And the Steelers let him leave. They didn't sign him. Why not?

Every team makes their move in FA, for the guys they GOTTA have. The Steelers and Giants both might lose out on Rodgers, and at this point, they have to be OK with that. If they weren't, they would have made him an offer he would have taken.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Specifically, a rookie HC who had been a defensive coordinator in Rodgers division when AR was last decent. Which really could have gone either way, but Glenn is quite familiar with AAron.

I don't think it has much to do with familiarity. Everyone is familiar. It's about a rookie head coach. Whereas in Pittsburgh, an established great coach like Tomlin doesn't have the same concerns. He's clearly the Alpha on that team.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

 

[-OZ-]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Specifically, a rookie HC who had been a defensive coordinator in Rodgers division when AR was last decent. Which really could have gone either way, but Glenn is quite familiar with AAron.

I don't think it has much to do with familiarity. Everyone is familiar. It's about a rookie head coach. Whereas in Pittsburgh, an established great coach like Tomlin doesn't have the same concerns. He's clearly the Alpha on that team.

Fair enough, I’m just saying if Glenn thought Rodgers would help his team he’d have reached out and gotten the veteran. Instead they went with fields, I think part of that is a recognition that Rodgers brings more negatives than positives. Maybe that’s more so with a rookie coach, but I wouldn’t want Rodgers no matter who my coach is (and my team really needs a QB). I said the same before he went to the Jets.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons

That first part is probably true.
But do you think the Steelers have good “weapons”? I think they trade Pickens, which basically leaves Warren, DK and Muth. Not horrible I guess but even if they keep Pickens it isn’t great.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Wilson to the Giants.

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1904666201445244980

ESPN Sources: The Giants and Super Bowl-winning QB Russell Wilson reached agreement today on a one-year deal worth up to $21 million, including $10.5 million guaranteed. The 10-time Pro-Bowl selection had been in discussions with the Giants, Browns and Steelers, but is opting for New York, where Wilson won Super Bowl XLVIII in MetLife Stadium. Now, Wilson is returning there as the Giants’ projected starting QB.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons

That first part is probably true.
But do you think the Steelers have good “weapons”? I think they trade Pickens, which basically leaves Warren, DK and Muth. Not horrible I guess but even if they keep Pickens it isn’t great.

Yes I do.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Specifically, a rookie HC who had been a defensive coordinator in Rodgers division when AR was last decent. Which really could have gone either way, but Glenn is quite familiar with AAron.

I don't think it has much to do with familiarity. Everyone is familiar. It's about a rookie head coach. Whereas in Pittsburgh, an established great coach like Tomlin doesn't have the same concerns. He's clearly the Alpha on that team.

Fair enough, I’m just saying if Glenn thought Rodgers would help his team he’d have reached out and gotten the veteran. Instead they went with fields, I think part of that is a recognition that Rodgers brings more negatives than positives. Maybe that’s more so with a rookie coach, but I wouldn’t want Rodgers no matter who my coach is (and my team really needs a QB). I said the same before he went to the Jets.

No worries. We can disagree there. I think being a rookie coach had a ton to do with it. But that's just my guessing.

I think a clearly established alpha head coach like Tomlin will have a much better time working with Rodgers.

 

[sm8680]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

Joe I was hoping for Justin for he made some progress this past season in his progressions and release time. However, when he was benched and wasn't signed prior to free agency a few weeks ago. I knew he was gone. Sam Darnold I was iffy on. But Seattle swooped in faster than a Seattle rainstorm. Seattle trades their starter for a draft pick then grabs Sam faster than Deshaun grabs booty. Seemed so unfair.

Joe Milton is intriguing. I forget who it was in FG. But someone posted his highlights against a depleted Bills team, and I came away impressed. There has to be a backup on someones roster who's ready to take the next step. Doesn't have to be someone like Favre when he was a Falcon.

Steelers are kind of a cheap organization. I'm with massraider the thought is that the Steelers want him on the cheap. Kurt Cousins the master contract negotiator. He's coming off an injury. Steelers will never go for him.

The not so nice guy in me wants Aaron for he got Robert fired and potentially could get Mike Tomlin to move on.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

Joe I was hoping for Justin for he made some progress this past season in his progressions and release time. However, when he was benched and wasn't signed prior to free agency a few weeks ago. I knew he was gone. Sam Darnold I was iffy on. But Seattle swooped in faster than a Seattle rainstorm. Seattle trades their starter for a draft pick then grabs Sam faster than Deshaun grabs booty. Seemed so unfair.

Joe Milton is intriguing. I forget who it was in FG. But someone posted his highlights against a depleted Bills team, and I came away impressed. There has to be a backup on someones roster who's ready to take the next step. Doesn't have to be someone like Favre when he was a Falcon.

Steelers are kind of a cheap organization. I'm with massraider the thought is that the Steelers want him on the cheap. Kurt Cousins the master contract negotiator. He's coming off an injury. Steelers will never go for him.

The not so nice guy in me wants Aaron for he got Robert fired and potentially could get Mike Tomlin to move on.

Thanks. You want Tomlin gone?