QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (10 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just way too much hemming and hawing on the Rodgers question in that press conference to think that it's not still under consideration.

They have neither hemmed nor hawed - the GM was extremely clear that JJM is operating at a level that they're comfortable with. They traded up on the draft, and he was seemingly already winning the job over Darnold in the preseason.

I've watched both pressers. He was diplomatic about ARod. He was less diplomatic the 2nd presser and you can tell he's getting annoyed with the question.

What was the second presser? There was a 19-minute draft preview that came out today, but I can't say anything really stood out. The one from three weeks ago, I'll have to respectfully disagree. It's pretty easy to flatly shut down the Rodgers discussion and proclaim that "JJ is our guy", "We're really excited for what JJ can do in 2025", even if you don't want to name him the starter. That might have been the smarter play for Kwesi even if he did have interest. However, I didn't catch that part. Instead, I heard about always looking to upgrade the QB room. The value of competition and having two guys that can push each other like Sam and J.J. last year. Is JJ and Brett supposed to be this year's version of that? What kind of an upgrade are we zeroing in on at this point? Drafting a developmental guy late?

Is Kwesi happy with JJ? Absolutely. Is JJ checking every box and doing everything that has been asked of him? Absolutely. I might not love it as a Vikings fan, but that doesn't mean that Rodgers wouldn't be brought in if there was any thought that he might give them a slightly better chance over a redshirt that didn't actually get to practice with the team for most of his rookie season.

Signing Rodgers also wouldn't be an admission that JJ isn't the guy to take the reins in 2026 or later in 2025 when called upon. It's a violent game and the Vikings are set up to win now. It's a hell of a lot better turning things over to a JJ McCarthy when a QB injury strikes than Brett Rypien. If it's the latter, the narrative on McCarthy is that he's made of glass. Combined with the rest of Kwesi's draft selections, I would imagine he's toast at that point. For this reason alone, Rodgers as the #1 with McCarthy in the wings might be attractive to Kwesi. He stays around for as long as the verdict is still out on McCarthy.

There were like, a week apart. I don’t have links.

I’m also not gonna write 1000 words - if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you. But I've seen this movie before. The old not naming the rookie (in this case fluke 2nd year) QB with zero NFL experience as a motivational tool. Respectfully you sound a little wishful in your thinking. Do you roster ARod?

I’ll counter-speculate: If they wanted ARod they would have signed him by now. He’s said his price. It’s reasonable. They didn’t bite. They’ve sung JJM’s praises. Even the recent ARod news basically said it’s Steelers or retirement at this point.

Your proof by omission is no greater than mine.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Just way too much hemming and hawing on the Rodgers question in that press conference to think that it's not still under consideration.

They have neither hemmed nor hawed - the GM was extremely clear that JJM is operating at a level that they're comfortable with. They traded up on the draft, and he was seemingly already winning the job over Darnold in the preseason.

I've watched both pressers. He was diplomatic about ARod. He was less diplomatic the 2nd presser and you can tell he's getting annoyed with the question.

This seems insane to me. They have a superbowl ready team that was let down by their QB in the playoffs last season and they’re going to rely on a guy who’s never thrown a pass in the NFL. Personally I love it as a Packer fan. I’d be terrified if they brought in Rodgers. Admittedly, I’m also drawn to this possibility by the off-the-charts entertainment factor.

Exactly where I am as a Vikings fan. At best, it ends in heartbreak. At worst, it's an entertaining tire fire. More than anything, pure entertainment watching Rodgers complete the Favre side quest. Will he reach the levels of Favre's 2009 run or completely derail the season with his endless b.s.?

McCarthy gets the repetitions he missed out on last year. Gets to come in as the savior rescuing us from mean old Mr. Rodgers instead of a rookie with the unenviable expectations of guiding the team to postseason success.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just way too much hemming and hawing on the Rodgers question in that press conference to think that it's not still under consideration.

They have neither hemmed nor hawed - the GM was extremely clear that JJM is operating at a level that they're comfortable with. They traded up on the draft, and he was seemingly already winning the job over Darnold in the preseason.

I've watched both pressers. He was diplomatic about ARod. He was less diplomatic the 2nd presser and you can tell he's getting annoyed with the question.

This seems insane to me. They have a superbowl ready team that was let down by their QB in the playoffs last season and they’re going to rely on a guy who’s never thrown a pass in the NFL. Personally I love it as a Packer fan. I’d be terrified if they brought in Rodgers. Admittedly, I’m also drawn to this possibility by the off-the-charts entertainment factor.

Exactly where I am as a Vikings fan. At best, it ends in heartbreak. At worst, it's an entertaining tire fire. More than anything, pure entertainment watching Rodgers complete the Favre side quest. Will he reach the levels of Favre's 2009 run or completely derail the season with his endless b.s.?

McCarthy gets the repetitions he missed out on last year. Gets to come in as the savior rescuing us from mean old Mr. Rodgers instead of a rookie with the unenviable expectations of guiding the team to postseason success.

So hear me out: Sam Darnold won 14 with that team.

Darnold.

And no one at all in the FF community thought he’d put up top 5 numbers in the process.

JJM is going into the perfect situation & he didn’t miss an entire year of reps. He had a torn ligament. He missed a few months.

it sounds a lot like as a Vikings fan you want ARod more so you’re making up a scenario where that happens.

They dealt to move up and take JJM. I fail to see how it would look anything but terrible if JJM isn’t behind center in 2025.

 

[menobrown]

if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you

I for one am totally 100% unconvinced and all the Vikings GM was doing was good GM speak, not shutting the door on Rodgers just in case something they are not planning for occurred and they had to pivot to plan B. No need to completely shut a door and not give yourself a possible path later.

The Vikings are McCarthy's team now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you

I for one am totally 100% unconvinced and all the Vikings GM was doing was good GM speak, not shutting the door on Rodgers just in case something they are not planning for occurred and they had to pivot to plan B. No need to completely shut a door and not give yourself a possible path later.

The Vikings are McCarthy's team now.

Well sure. It was very diplomatic.

I just don’t see them not 100% endorsing JJM as a some sort of tea leaves that ARod’s gonna come in and take the job.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Just way too much hemming and hawing on the Rodgers question in that press conference to think that it's not still under consideration.

They have neither hemmed nor hawed - the GM was extremely clear that JJM is operating at a level that they're comfortable with. They traded up on the draft, and he was seemingly already winning the job over Darnold in the preseason.

I've watched both pressers. He was diplomatic about ARod. He was less diplomatic the 2nd presser and you can tell he's getting annoyed with the question.

What was the second presser? There was a 19-minute draft preview that came out today, but I can't say anything really stood out. The one from three weeks ago, I'll have to respectfully disagree. It's pretty easy to flatly shut down the Rodgers discussion and proclaim that "JJ is our guy", "We're really excited for what JJ can do in 2025", even if you don't want to name him the starter. That might have been the smarter play for Kwesi even if he did have interest. However, I didn't catch that part. Instead, I heard about always looking to upgrade the QB room. The value of competition and having two guys that can push each other like Sam and J.J. last year. Is JJ and Brett supposed to be this year's version of that? What kind of an upgrade are we zeroing in on at this point? Drafting a developmental guy late?

Is Kwesi happy with JJ? Absolutely. Is JJ checking every box and doing everything that has been asked of him? Absolutely. I might not love it as a Vikings fan, but that doesn't mean that Rodgers wouldn't be brought in if there was any thought that he might give them a slightly better chance over a redshirt that didn't actually get to practice with the team for most of his rookie season.

Signing Rodgers also wouldn't be an admission that JJ isn't the guy to take the reins in 2026 or later in 2025 when called upon. It's a violent game and the Vikings are set up to win now. It's a hell of a lot better turning things over to a JJ McCarthy when a QB injury strikes than Brett Rypien. If it's the latter, the narrative on McCarthy is that he's made of glass. Combined with the rest of Kwesi's draft selections, I would imagine he's toast at that point. For this reason alone, Rodgers as the #1 with McCarthy in the wings might be attractive to Kwesi. He stays around for as long as the verdict is still out on McCarthy.

There were like, a week apart. I don’t have links.

I’m also not gonna write 1000 words - if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you. But I've seen this movie before. The old not naming the rookie (in this case fluke 2nd year) QB with zero NFL experience as a motivational tool. Respectfully you sound a little wishful in your thinking. Do you roster ARod?

I’ll counter-speculate: If they wanted ARod they would have signed him by now. He’s said his price. It’s reasonable. They didn’t bite. They’ve sung JJM’s praises. Even the recent ARod news basically said it’s Steelers or retirement at this point.

Your proof by omission is no greater than mine.

Respectfully, you're making more definitive statements than I am. Pure speculation on my part, if that wasn't obvious. McCarthy as the Vikings week 1 starter is certainly the chalk at this point. Rodgers ultimately signing with the Steelers after his annual "woe is me" campaign is probably the betting favorite. I just wouldn't sleep on the Vikings. "We wish the best for Aaron Rodgers. He's had a tremendous career, but J.J. McCarthy is the QB of this football team." That's as far is it goes for most press conferences. Kwesi isn't clumsy with his words. So when he's popping in "at this time", and "not currently under contract", there might be something behind that, but time will tell. If there is some kind of active evaluation, I feel fairly secure that Rodgers has no issues letting this thing drag on deep into the summer while shirking all responsibility.

McCarthy or Rodgers, I'm skeptical that the Vikings have what it takes to get to the top level. But this is a unique situation. Is there a long history of aspirational Super Bowl contenders plugging in rookie / redshirt rookie QBs ? Not sure what kind of expectations the Chiefs had going into Mahomes second year? Lamar's rookie year? Nothing else really comes to mind. Hence, I wouldn't interpret a Rodgers signing as, "OMG, what a bust that JJ McCarthy. Fire Kwesi!!" It would be, sucks that the guy got injured his first year. Now he actually gets to develop on the football field beyond training camp. We'll probably see him by week 8 when Rodgers breaks something.

I don't roster Rodgers in fantasy. As a Vikings fan, I don't know that what he offers is worth messing around with given the baggage. There is something to be said for QB depth for a team that's in it to win it. Am I selling Rypien way too short? Just seems like a Winston, Rudolph, Rush, Flacco, Mariota, Mac Jones, Lock, Minshew signing would have made some sense as a backup for a team looking to compete with a super-rookie that went down in his first pro game.

Finally, if there's one thing I definitely wouldn't do, it's take Aaron Rodgers at his word that $10M is his asking price to play football this season. Sounds like a great way to garner public sympathy, but wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a "Bobby Bonilla Day" attached at that pricing tier.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just way too much hemming and hawing on the Rodgers question in that press conference to think that it's not still under consideration.

They have neither hemmed nor hawed - the GM was extremely clear that JJM is operating at a level that they're comfortable with. They traded up on the draft, and he was seemingly already winning the job over Darnold in the preseason.

I've watched both pressers. He was diplomatic about ARod. He was less diplomatic the 2nd presser and you can tell he's getting annoyed with the question.

What was the second presser? There was a 19-minute draft preview that came out today, but I can't say anything really stood out. The one from three weeks ago, I'll have to respectfully disagree. It's pretty easy to flatly shut down the Rodgers discussion and proclaim that "JJ is our guy", "We're really excited for what JJ can do in 2025", even if you don't want to name him the starter. That might have been the smarter play for Kwesi even if he did have interest. However, I didn't catch that part. Instead, I heard about always looking to upgrade the QB room. The value of competition and having two guys that can push each other like Sam and J.J. last year. Is JJ and Brett supposed to be this year's version of that? What kind of an upgrade are we zeroing in on at this point? Drafting a developmental guy late?

Is Kwesi happy with JJ? Absolutely. Is JJ checking every box and doing everything that has been asked of him? Absolutely. I might not love it as a Vikings fan, but that doesn't mean that Rodgers wouldn't be brought in if there was any thought that he might give them a slightly better chance over a redshirt that didn't actually get to practice with the team for most of his rookie season.

Signing Rodgers also wouldn't be an admission that JJ isn't the guy to take the reins in 2026 or later in 2025 when called upon. It's a violent game and the Vikings are set up to win now. It's a hell of a lot better turning things over to a JJ McCarthy when a QB injury strikes than Brett Rypien. If it's the latter, the narrative on McCarthy is that he's made of glass. Combined with the rest of Kwesi's draft selections, I would imagine he's toast at that point. For this reason alone, Rodgers as the #1 with McCarthy in the wings might be attractive to Kwesi. He stays around for as long as the verdict is still out on McCarthy.

There were like, a week apart. I don’t have links.

I’m also not gonna write 1000 words - if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you. But I've seen this movie before. The old not naming the rookie (in this case fluke 2nd year) QB with zero NFL experience as a motivational tool. Respectfully you sound a little wishful in your thinking. Do you roster ARod?

I’ll counter-speculate: If they wanted ARod they would have signed him by now. He’s said his price. It’s reasonable. They didn’t bite. They’ve sung JJM’s praises. Even the recent ARod news basically said it’s Steelers or retirement at this point.

Your proof by omission is no greater than mine.

Respectfully, you're making more definitive statements than I am. Pure speculation on my part, if that wasn't obvious. McCarthy as the Vikings week 1 starter is certainly the chalk at this point. Rodgers ultimately signing with the Steelers after his annual "woe is me" campaign is probably the betting favorite. I just wouldn't sleep on the Vikings. "We wish the best for Aaron Rodgers. He's had a tremendous career, but J.J. McCarthy is the QB of this football team." That's as far is it goes for most press conferences. Kwesi isn't clumsy with his words. So when he's popping in "at this time", and "not currently under contract", there might be something behind that, but time will tell. If there is some kind of active evaluation, I feel fairly secure that Rodgers has no issues letting this thing drag on deep into the summer while shirking all responsibility.

McCarthy or Rodgers, I'm skeptical that the Vikings have what it takes to get to the top level. But this is a unique situation. Is there a long history of aspirational Super Bowl contenders plugging in rookie / redshirt rookie QBs ? Not sure what kind of expectations the Chiefs had going into Mahomes second year? Lamar's rookie year? Nothing else really comes to mind. Hence, I wouldn't interpret a Rodgers signing as, "OMG, what a bust that JJ McCarthy. Fire Kwesi!!" It would be, sucks that the guy got injured his first year. Now he actually gets to develop on the football field beyond training camp. We'll probably see him by week 8 when Rodgers breaks something.

I don't roster Rodgers in fantasy. As a Vikings fan, I don't know that what he offers is worth messing around with given the baggage. There is something to be said for QB depth for a team that's in it to win it. Am I selling Rypien way too short? Just seems like a Winston, Rudolph, Rush, Flacco, Mariota, Mac Jones, Lock, Minshew signing would have made some sense as a backup for a team looking to compete with a super-rookie that went down in his first pro game.

Finally, if there's one thing I definitely wouldn't do, it's take Aaron Rodgers at his word that $10M is his asking price to play football this season. Sounds like a great way to garner public sympathy, but wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a "Bobby Bonilla Day" attached at that pricing tier.

Ok I can get with this take. On all points.

Guess you were more playing devil’s advocate.

I just don’t see a scenario outside of JJM getting broken in the preseason where ARod comes to MIN. And if that came to pass (knock on wood) then JJM isn’t exactly going to benefit from another year off, so… yeah.

 

[fatness]

"He also took issue with the reporting about his divorce from the Jets. He said that, while he was meeting with coach Aaron Glenn, Glenn ran out of the room to get G.M. Darren Mougey. He said that, after asking whether Rodgers wants to play football, he was told they’re going in a different direction. Mougey then asked how he wanted the “messaging” to be handled. Said Rodgers, “I don’t give a **** about the messaging.”

He assumed the meeting (which he said lacked an “ample amount of respect”) would last a couple of hours. It lasted, per Rodgers, 15 minutes. And he referred to the situation in New York as a “debacle.” “There’s obviously things that need to get fixed over there,” Rodgers said."

Yeah, right. "Over there" is where things need fixed.

 

[menobrown]

if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you

I for one am totally 100% unconvinced and all the Vikings GM was doing was good GM speak, not shutting the door on Rodgers just in case something they are not planning for occurred and they had to pivot to plan B. No need to completely shut a door and not give yourself a possible path later.

The Vikings are McCarthy's team now.

Well sure. It was very diplomatic.

I just don’t see them not 100% endorsing JJM as a some sort of tea leaves that ARod’s gonna come in and take the job.

All I got to say is I butchered my post and meant to say I'm 100% convinced McCarthy is the starter, not sure if that was clear from the other stuff I wrote.

 

[fatness]

"And it’s been nice to be quiet for the last few months. It’s funny how in that time period how the **** narrative goes ****ing crazy, right? When I haven’t said a ****ing word. So there’s nothing to say. I just laid out where I’m at. There’s nothing else to report. There’s no other reason to be continuing to talk about me at this point. So time to turn the page, all those people that have made a lot of money slandering my name. You know, apologize for COVID, say your vax status, and keep it moving.”"

He just can't let it go.

 

[menobrown]

Regarding Rodgers interview or whatever that was today I did not see it but would have liked someone to ask him if the Jets had not cut him would he still be non-committal on playing? Did anyone ask him this? Per his own wording when Glenn asked him he wanted to keep playing he was less then definitive, just said "I'm interested".

If he's citing personal issues keeping him from committing to playing how would that be different if he was still a Jet? Would he have thought they were just going to let him make them twist in the wind past FA all the way till a week before the draft without committing? I think so. He's the king of thinking he holds the power to be passive/aggressive, which he has had for years, and I must say I kind of enjoy seeing the Jets meet that with aggressiveness of their own and basically strip away his power/control over the situation. I'm sure that burns him up.

Still think he's the best viable solution for the Steelers. Hope they are playing this right and won't regret not being a little more firm in their approach with him instead of letting a waffler waffle. But I will continue to reseverve judgement on the Steelers until it's all sorted out and if Rodgers thinks he can still play I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office. Also the Steelers do play the Jets next year, how can he pass that up if he thinks he can still play?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you

I for one am totally 100% unconvinced and all the Vikings GM was doing was good GM speak, not shutting the door on Rodgers just in case something they are not planning for occurred and they had to pivot to plan B. No need to completely shut a door and not give yourself a possible path later.

The Vikings are McCarthy's team now.

Well sure. It was very diplomatic.

I just don’t see them not 100% endorsing JJM as a some sort of tea leaves that ARod’s gonna come in and take the job.

All I got to say is I butchered my post and meant to say I'm 100% convinced McCarthy is the starter, not sure if that was clear from the other stuff I wrote.

It wasn’t but I assumed based on the rest that you meant the opposite of what you’d said.
lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Still think he's the best viable solution for the Steelers. Hope they are playing this right and won't regret not being a little more firm in their approach with him instead of letting a waffler waffle. But I will continue to reseverve judgement on the Steelers until it's all sorted out and if Rodgers thinks he can still play I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office. Also the Steelers do play the Jets next year, how can he pass that up if he thinks he can still play?

Agree with this.

Also you touched on something there that struck a chord with me.

There’s a power dynamic with Tomlin. I don’t think this is going to go down like the Jets where ARod can march in, name his OC, demand old friends be signed (Lazard) or whatever.

total speculation on my part, but I feel like they want to see ARod a little humble. What if they bring him in & he’s in an open competition with Rudolph? How will he handle that?

Personally I don’t care and I’m sick of it all. lol

 

[eighsse2]

I wonder just how many rent-free homes this guy has. A hundred thousand? A million?

 

[Zeppelin]

I wonder just how many rent-free homes this guy has. A hundred thousand? A million?

He has one in his own head.

 

[steelerfan1]

Rapoport: Don’t Rule Out Saints in Aaron Rodgers Sweepstakes

If I’ve even wanted Ian to be right about something…

At this stage, isn't Carr = Rodgers? A middling starting QB? Wonder what the deal with Carr's shoulder is or if it's all made up?

Yeah, I wouldn’t want either of them.

 

[Deamon]

The Vikings are McCarthy's Rypien's team now.

ftfy

 

[pinkstapler]

I disagree that he would have as much success waiting until July/August to sign than sometime around now. Yes he is a vet but he will more than likely be walking into a completely different offense. The Jets provided him with an OC that would run an offense that Aaron was intimately familiar with. He will not get that in Pittsburgh or New Orleans or most everywhere else.

He's not just a vet, he's one of the most talented QBs to play the game in the past 20+ years, and it wasn't because of elite physical ability like a Lamarr. YMMV, but the metrics and most respected analysts of the game are in my corner on this one. People get blinded by this guy being unlikable, and the Packers dropping the ball several times in several ways over his time there so his team impacted numbers fall short.

Again... has his physical talent dropped off in recent years, almost definitely. You'll get no disagreement from me there. But he does not need months in walk throughs or studying a playbook (especially the one put together by Arthur Smith lol) to step on a field and mentally be ahead of 90% of the QBs in the league today. He would be yawning through our scheme by the 8th time Arthur's calling a RB toss in the first 15 plays. This is not a Sean Payton/Kyle Shannahan playbook with a dozen presnap motion options or play calls that take two full breaths to say out loud.

I'm not here to champion for Arthur Smith, but if you want to work with an OC to make an offense better or more tailored to your style, you should maybe start doing so earlier than a month before games. Maybe 5 years ago Aaron didn't need that. I would argue that 41 year old Aaron does.

Maybe that's our disconnect then, I don't know if he cares to do the bolded anymore. TBH though I'm not really sure I understand what he really wants at all at this point. It's obviously not SB aspirations considering the run with the Jets and the teams he's been linked with this offseason. At this point, and after the most recent interview, I'm starting to think about pushing my chips into the retirement pot.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Just way too much hemming and hawing on the Rodgers question in that press conference to think that it's not still under consideration.

They have neither hemmed nor hawed - the GM was extremely clear that JJM is operating at a level that they're comfortable with. They traded up on the draft, and he was seemingly already winning the job over Darnold in the preseason.

I've watched both pressers. He was diplomatic about ARod. He was less diplomatic the 2nd presser and you can tell he's getting annoyed with the question.

What was the second presser? There was a 19-minute draft preview that came out today, but I can't say anything really stood out. The one from three weeks ago, I'll have to respectfully disagree. It's pretty easy to flatly shut down the Rodgers discussion and proclaim that "JJ is our guy", "We're really excited for what JJ can do in 2025", even if you don't want to name him the starter. That might have been the smarter play for Kwesi even if he did have interest. However, I didn't catch that part. Instead, I heard about always looking to upgrade the QB room. The value of competition and having two guys that can push each other like Sam and J.J. last year. Is JJ and Brett supposed to be this year's version of that? What kind of an upgrade are we zeroing in on at this point? Drafting a developmental guy late?

Is Kwesi happy with JJ? Absolutely. Is JJ checking every box and doing everything that has been asked of him? Absolutely. I might not love it as a Vikings fan, but that doesn't mean that Rodgers wouldn't be brought in if there was any thought that he might give them a slightly better chance over a redshirt that didn't actually get to practice with the team for most of his rookie season.

Signing Rodgers also wouldn't be an admission that JJ isn't the guy to take the reins in 2026 or later in 2025 when called upon. It's a violent game and the Vikings are set up to win now. It's a hell of a lot better turning things over to a JJ McCarthy when a QB injury strikes than Brett Rypien. If it's the latter, the narrative on McCarthy is that he's made of glass. Combined with the rest of Kwesi's draft selections, I would imagine he's toast at that point. For this reason alone, Rodgers as the #1 with McCarthy in the wings might be attractive to Kwesi. He stays around for as long as the verdict is still out on McCarthy.

There were like, a week apart. I don’t have links.

I’m also not gonna write 1000 words - if you don’t believe JJM is the starter I’m not gonna convince you. But I've seen this movie before. The old not naming the rookie (in this case fluke 2nd year) QB with zero NFL experience as a motivational tool. Respectfully you sound a little wishful in your thinking. Do you roster ARod?

I’ll counter-speculate: If they wanted ARod they would have signed him by now. He’s said his price. It’s reasonable. They didn’t bite. They’ve sung JJM’s praises. Even the recent ARod news basically said it’s Steelers or retirement at this point.

Your proof by omission is no greater than mine.

This is wrong on many levels, but the most obvious is that Rodgers is the one waiting to make a decision. It is not about asking price.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I don't like to judge people, especially since I don't know Aaron or anything he's gone through or is going through. He appears to be quite complex, but he may also be a deeply hurt individual emotionally. My experience with people who have suffered some trauma or have emotional baggage is that decision-making is challenging for them. He also has some attention-seeking tendencies, which give him a sense of worth.

With that said. Pick a frigging team already!!!!! Steelers, Saints, or Vikings!!! You would think the best-case scenario for a team is a decision made before the draft, right?

 

[BobbyLayne]

"He also took issue with the reporting about his divorce from the Jets. He said that, while he was meeting with coach Aaron Glenn, Glenn ran out of the room to get G.M. Darren Mougey. He said that, after asking whether Rodgers wants to play football, he was told they’re going in a different direction. Mougey then asked how he wanted the “messaging” to be handled. Said Rodgers, “I don’t give a **** about the messaging.”

He assumed the meeting (which he said lacked an “ample amount of respect”) would last a couple of hours. It lasted, per Rodgers, 15 minutes. And he referred to the situation in New York as a “debacle.” “There’s obviously things that need to get fixed over there,” Rodgers said."

Yeah, right. "Over there" is where things need fixed.

This meeting could have been an email!

AR was going to attempt to make the Jets the villain no matter how they handled it - phone call/text/virtual would have been disrespectful. Why would he expect the meeting would last a couple hours. It's been known for 10 weeks he will be a post-June 1 cut and is free to sign anywhere. The only way to say we're moving on is to come out with it immediately.

Such a d-queen.

 

[pinkstapler]

"He also took issue with the reporting about his divorce from the Jets. He said that, while he was meeting with coach Aaron Glenn, Glenn ran out of the room to get G.M. Darren Mougey. He said that, after asking whether Rodgers wants to play football, he was told they’re going in a different direction. Mougey then asked how he wanted the “messaging” to be handled. Said Rodgers, “I don’t give a **** about the messaging.”

He assumed the meeting (which he said lacked an “ample amount of respect”) would last a couple of hours. It lasted, per Rodgers, 15 minutes. And he referred to the situation in New York as a “debacle.” “There’s obviously things that need to get fixed over there,” Rodgers said."

Yeah, right. "Over there" is where things need fixed.

This meeting could have been an email!

AR was going to attempt to make the Jets the villain no matter how they handled it - phone call/text/virtual would have been disrespectful. Why would he expect the meeting would last a couple hours. It's been known for 10 weeks he will be a post-June 1 cut and is free to sign anywhere. The only way to say we're moving on is to come out with it immediately.

Such a d-queen.

I'm fairly certain I read this differently than intended

 

[TheDirtyWord]

When Favre signed on with the Vikings, wasn't it August?

Couple of things...

1) I get the 41 year old thing. I get the 'do I want to continue playing at this stage of life' thing.
2) I'm in a 'serious relationship'? WTF Have you checked in with your teammates who may be married. With kids. This isn't Tinder. FFS.
3) People in my inner circle are going through things? Let's rewind back to when Kelly Stafford had a brain tumor...and the quote from this article

When Matthew Stafford’s wife underwent brain surgery last month, the Detroit Lions told him to take as much time as he needed to be away from the team and care for his family. He took a week. And then he was back in Allen Park running voluntary wind sprints with the rest of his teammates.

This is what you get with Aaron Rodgers now. At the same time, I do think he still relates well to teammates and on the field and in the locker room is a guy that when he's on can galvanize a team.

But he's 'alot' now. I mean, he's still talking COVID and vaccines. It's called a victory lap, not an ultra-marathon, if that's what it even was. If the Steelers #1 QB at the moment wasn't Mason Rudolph, Rodgers wouldn't really be a story and I actually think Rodgers would be fine with that. But unless they get Shedeur, I can't see this connection between Rodgers & the Steelers fizzling out so long as he's 'open to anything'.

 

[Mitchie]

I'm skeptical anyone wants him right now. If something doesn't happen before the draft, he'll prob hang around and if an injury happens on a contending team he'd be an option otherwise will prob retire.

 

[Terpman22]

3 months later "Yeah I really didn't want to sign with anyone anyway"

 

[King of the Jungle]

I cannot blame him for being patient, who wants to go out having accomplished what he has with a miserable last year. Who knows who he is really chatting with. Maybe Purdy gets agitated with negotiations and the Niners give Rodgers a call. His tactics/personality are a bit annoying, but the Steelers are not a good fit right now and he knows that. He doesn’t need the money and probably would like to play if the right circumstances pop up…thus the wait and see…

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is wrong on many levels

My specialty.

, but the most obvious is that Rodgers is the one waiting to make a decision. It is not about asking price.

My contention is that there’s a possibility that simply isn’t true.

It may in fact be that nobody wanted him and this narrative is all bluster coming from Rodgers. Then the music stopped and he still wasn’t signed and they’re putting this stuff out to save face.

I didn’t say it was true, I said I’m starting to suspect it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

3 months later "Yeah I really didn't want to sign with anyone anyway"

EXACTLY!

 

[Chaka]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

 

[Skipdog77]

I hear he's trying to enroll at the University of Tennessee.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

 

[JohnnyU]

"He also took issue with the reporting about his divorce from the Jets. He said that, while he was meeting with coach Aaron Glenn, Glenn ran out of the room to get G.M. Darren Mougey. He said that, after asking whether Rodgers wants to play football, he was told they’re going in a different direction. Mougey then asked how he wanted the “messaging” to be handled. Said Rodgers, “I don’t give a **** about the messaging.”

He assumed the meeting (which he said lacked an “ample amount of respect”) would last a couple of hours. It lasted, per Rodgers, 15 minutes. And he referred to the situation in New York as a “debacle.” “There’s obviously things that need to get fixed over there,” Rodgers said."

Yeah, right. "Over there" is where things need fixed.

This meeting could have been an email!

AR was going to attempt to make the Jets the villain no matter how they handled it - phone call/text/virtual would have been disrespectful. Why would he expect the meeting would last a couple hours. It's been known for 10 weeks he will be a post-June 1 cut and is free to sign anywhere. The only way to say we're moving on is to come out with it immediately.

Such a d-queen.

People on this board are the drama queens.

 

[smbkrypt24]

This is wrong on many levels

My specialty.

, but the most obvious is that Rodgers is the one waiting to make a decision. It is not about asking price.

My contention is that there’s a possibility that simply isn’t true.

It may in fact be that nobody wanted him and this narrative is all bluster coming from Rodgers. Then the music stopped and he still wasn’t signed and they’re putting this stuff out to save face.

I didn’t say it was true, I said I’m starting to suspect it.

I might have over reacted, nice way of honing in my crazy.
Thanks for the clarification.
I saw Rodgers interview and responded from there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Ya gotta think his 22 year old teammates see his cheesy schtick and think Steve Buscemi “greetings fellow kids” meme.

 

[menobrown]

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Ya gotta think his 22 year old teammates see his cheesy schtick and think Steve Buscemi “greetings fellow kids” meme.

I'm no fan of the person but I like to keep it real. Almost everything I have heard and read from his past teammates has been positive about him as a teammate and leader.

I think the only teammates who had issues with him are one's that got pushed aside for his "guys". Garrett Wilson for instance is one player I think did not care for him and if they tried to bring back Rodgers might have asked for a trade.

He's always struck me as a guy who gets along great with most of his teammates but has more of a challenging relationship with people in role of superiority, like his coaches and front office.

 

[Chaka]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Enough of them does.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Ya gotta think his 22 year old teammates see his cheesy schtick and think Steve Buscemi “greetings fellow kids” meme.

I'm no fan of the person but I like to keep it real. Almost everything I have heard and read from his past teammates has been positive about him as a teammate and leader.

I think the only teammates who had issues with him are one's that got pushed aside for his "guys". Garrett Wilson for instance is one player I think did not care for him and if they tried to bring back Rodgers might have asked for a trade.

He's always struck me as a guy who gets along great with most of his teammates but has more of a challenging relationship with people in role of superiority, like his coaches and front office.

Except for the vaccination thing.

I recall teammates with young kids at home who were pissed about how selfish that was.

That was a bad look, and probably why he’s still so self-conscious about it that he’s defensive about it without anyone even asking.

 

[GregR]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

I don't think that is the only angle to consider there.

According to Rodgers, Glenn said, “I don’t want to be in front of the room saying something and have guys looking back at you. And I said, ‘Are you assuming I would be in the back of the room during a team meeting, undermining what you’re saying? You don’t know me.’ And he said, ‘You don’t know me.’

Do you think since signing on as HC that Aaron Glenn has gotten a pretty good description of what it was like on the team with Rodgers from those who were part of it? Do you think with how things played out between Rodgers and Saleh, that one could feel Rodgers played a role in the team's dysfunction that a new coach might be justified to not want to repeat?

If so, I think the term 'poison' isn't entirely inappropriate. A player can be liked by other players and cause division that is poisonous to the team.

 

[travdogg]

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Ya gotta think his 22 year old teammates see his cheesy schtick and think Steve Buscemi “greetings fellow kids” meme.

I'm no fan of the person but I like to keep it real. Almost everything I have heard and read from his past teammates has been positive about him as a teammate and leader.

I think the only teammates who had issues with him are one's that got pushed aside for his "guys". Garrett Wilson for instance is one player I think did not care for him and if they tried to bring back Rodgers might have asked for a trade.

He's always struck me as a guy who gets along great with most of his teammates but has more of a challenging relationship with people in role of superiority, like his coaches and front office.

The interesting thing about the Garrett Wilson "being pushed aside" for Rodgers guys, is that Wilson was adamant that Davante Adams was basically his idol. I have no doubt that Wilson was likely disappointed in his role/production, but it sure seemed more like he had a personal issue with Rodgers. He certainly didn't feel like Adams "took his spot" or anything like that.

I would agree that "poison" is too strong a word, but baggage certainly isn't. I'd be curious how that fits in Pittsburgh with personalities like Mike Tomlin, Arthur Smith, DK Metcalf, and George Pickens. It'd make for an interesting Hard Knocks for sure, as far as wins/losses, can't say it'd be better than Fields/Wilson was, especially as the Bengals will likely be closer to who they were down the stretch than what they started last year as.

The Jets have a better QB in Fields for what they want to be. Its possible the Steelers will regret not making the same decision, if they even get a say in it at all.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think he wants to let his career getting ended getting unceremoniously cut in Glenn's office

That guy loves playing the victim. The fact that he considers it to be unceremonious is further indication that his skills do not outweigh his baggage.

He's pure locker room poison at this point in his career.

Poison is a strong word. Does his teammates usually dislike him?

Enough of them does.

Link?

 

[Joe Bryant]

He's always struck me as a guy who gets along great with most of his teammates but has more of a challenging relationship with people in role of superiority, like his coaches and front office.

Same. That's always how I've seen it not based on my feelings but on what I see for facts.

Rodgers voted most inspirational by Jets players

Aaron Rodgers' first season with the Jets lasted only four plays, but he still made an impact. On Friday, he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season.

www.espn.com

"I've said it a million times: He loves his teammates, and his teammates love him," coach Robert Saleh said.

Aaron Rodgers' first season with the New York Jets lasted only four plays, but he still made an impact. On Friday, he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season.

"I've said it a million times: He loves his teammates, and his teammates love him," coach Robert Saleh said. "He's so intentional with how he approaches everybody in the building. He's very thoughtful in the way he does things, and he's a tremendous human. He's really well deserving of this award."

Rodgers' Achilles injury and comeback bid became the main storyline of the Jets' disappointing season (6-10), which ends Sunday against the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium. He underwent surgery Sept. 13, two days after rupturing his left Achilles, and returned to practice 2½ months later -- months ahead of the typical recovery time.

...

"It's inspiring, man," left tackle Duane Brown said. "That's one of the most difficult injuries to come back from. To see his recovery, even without being on the field, has been remarkable. And the attitude he has -- I'm sure the day-to-day isn't easy, but he doesn't complain about it.

"He keeps everything light and the mood light. He has fun out there. He's just very youthful in his approach. Like I said, it's inspiring, it's motivating, and it's unprecedented."

Rodgers wasn't around the team for nearly three months, as he opted to do his rehab near his home in Malibu, California. During that period, he attended most games then flew back to the West Coast. He rejoined the team on a full-time basis in late November, when his practice window was opened.

But that narrative is not popular with many.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But that narrative is not popular with many

Seems like it’s just not popular with people who like Aaron Rodgers.

I recall reading this in 2021 and found it equally telling.

A former NFL general manager suggested Wednesday that Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is not well-liked among those who have played with and coached him over the years.
According to Matt Lombardo of FanSided, the ex-NFL GM said: "The guy's selfish. Teammates don't like him. Coaches don't like him. It's all about Aaron. They all deal with him, because he's a superstar. He helps guys make money and put food on the table for their kids, and people respect him for that."

Maybe it’s a possibility that when people have a microphone stuck in their face for a quote to the public that they say the diplomatic thing instead of the true thing. It’s just a possibility I’m suggesting.

ETA: as a 49ers fan, I can attest that Saleh will never, ever, not in a million years express anything negative about one of his players. So I’d take his commentary with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Joe Bryant]

But that narrative is not popular with many

Seems like it’s just not popular with people who like Aaron Rodgers.

I recall reading this in 2021 and found it equally telling.

A former NFL general manager suggested Wednesday that Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is not well-liked among those who have played with and coached him over the years.
According to Matt Lombardo of FanSided, the ex-NFL GM said: "The guy's selfish. Teammates don't like him. Coaches don't like him. It's all about Aaron. They all deal with him, because he's a superstar. He helps guys make money and put food on the table for their kids, and people respect him for that."

Maybe it’s a possibility that when people have a microphone stuck in their face for a quote to the public that they say the diplomatic thing instead of the true thing. It’s just a possibility I’m suggesting.

For sure, there are always multiple sides.

No dispute there.

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

I'm mostly just fascinated by the perception.

 

[eighsse2]

I feel like I never heard a negative word about Rodgers until covid. Maybe there was chatter back before then, but not as loud and I wasn't tuned in to stuff like that?

 

[Donnybrook]

The animosity between Greg Jennings and Rodgers occurred before covid. Was it much to do about about nothing. I assume that they were both shared the blame although Jennings got most of the ire of Packers fans. Rodgers being the face of the franchise, it must have been hard for him to keep your ego in check. He got away with ignoring Mike McCarthy play calls in 2018.
https://www.businessinsider.com/aaron-rodgers-ignored-mike-mccarthy-calls-packers-2019-1

 

[menobrown]

AI answer to how did Rodgers Jet's teammate's feel about playing with him:


Positive on Rodgers

• C.J. Mosley: Praised Rodgers' leadership and perseverance, especially after his Achilles injury.
• Garrett Wilson: Said Rodgers motivates players to reach their full potential.
  
  
• Breece Hall: Mentioned having a strong connection with Rodgers and appreciating his willingness to engage in pre-snap discussions about game plans.
  
  
• Quinnen Williams: Observed Rodgers' dedication and high standards, both on and off the field.
  
  
• Jermaine Johnson: Shared a story about Rodgers' generosity and willingness to help teammates.
  
  
• D.J. Reed: Said Rodgers is misunderstood and that it's a privilege to play with him.
  
  
• Morgan Moses: Emphasized that Rodgers is a constant presence and a leader in the locker room.
  

While there have been reports of some players feeling unsure about Rodgers' leadership style or criticizing his post-game comments, it's clear that the majority of Jets teammates view him as a valuable player and leader



And from an actual article here is the negative which matches up what I said last night about Garrett Wilson and the players on the team who were probably not fond of Rodgers are the one's who roles or roster spot got taken up in favor of his old pals. Not mentioned below is Mike Williams who did not seem fond in the least of playing with him.



On Monday, Rosenblatt reported there was a belief within the team that Rodgers was "running the offense how he saw fit" last season, which often resulted in him "funneling targets to his closest friend on the team [Davante Adams], which didn't go over well with some of his teammates."
Wide receiver Garrett Wilson may have had the biggest issue with Rodgers' distribution of targets, with Rosenblatt noting Rodgers and Wilson had a "clash of styles."

 

[Mitchie]

I feel like I never heard a negative word about Rodgers until covid. Maybe there was chatter back before then, but not as loud and I wasn't tuned in to stuff like that?

he wasn't in the public eye as much and then started appearing on the McAfee show, there were stories about him and his family not getting along, but honestly none of that really matters all that much. He was one of best Qbs of all time but now he is a 41 yr old average to slightly above average QB with declining skills, he'd only be a good fit in a small number of situations none really that are available right now. Pittsburgh seems possible but they're prob asking themselves if they want another 10-7 season only to be looking for a QB next year.

 

[eighsse2]

AI answer to how did Rodgers Jet's teammate's feel about playing with him:


Positive on Rodgers

• C.J. Mosley: Praised Rodgers' leadership and perseverance, especially after his Achilles injury.
• Garrett Wilson: Said Rodgers motivates players to reach their full potential.
  
  
• 
  
• Breece Hall: Mentioned having a strong connection with Rodgers and appreciating his willingness to engage in pre-snap discussions about game plans.
  
  
• 
  
• Quinnen Williams: Observed Rodgers' dedication and high standards, both on and off the field.
  
  
• 
  
• Jermaine Johnson: Shared a story about Rodgers' generosity and willingness to help teammates.
  
  
• 
  
• D.J. Reed: Said Rodgers is misunderstood and that it's a privilege to play with him.
  
  
• 
  
• Morgan Moses: Emphasized that Rodgers is a constant presence and a leader in the locker room.

While there have been reports of some players feeling unsure about Rodgers' leadership style or criticizing his post-game comments, it's clear that the majority of Jets teammates view him as a valuable player and leader



And from an actual article here is the negative which matches up what I said last night about Garrett Wilson and the players on the team who were probably not fond of Rodgers are the one's who roles or roster spot got taken up in favor of his old pals. Not mentioned below is Mike Williams who did not seem fond in the least of playing with him.



On Monday, Rosenblatt reported there was a belief within the team that Rodgers was "running the offense how he saw fit" last season, which often resulted in him "funneling targets to his closest friend on the team [Davante Adams], which didn't go over well with some of his teammates."
Wide receiver Garrett Wilson may have had the biggest issue with Rodgers' distribution of targets, with Rosenblatt noting Rodgers and Wilson had a "clash of styles."

I like AI's tactics. Extra bullets without any text. It's like people who put up mirrors to make the room feel like it's bigger Totally besides the point, just thought it was funny how it formatted it.

 

[menobrown]

Pittsburgh seems possible but they're prob asking themselves if they want another 10-7 season only to be looking for a QB next year.

Unless you think the owner is lying this question was already answered.

I've read multiple other reports that Rodgers has been their Plan A before FA ever started from sources I trust.

So again, unless the owner is lying and my sources I trust all got duped I don't think there is any question they want him and have for some time. And my guess is have more of an understanding of how this is going to play out then Rodgers let on.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My point was my perception was that his teammates loved him. I backed that up with facts that he was voted by his teammates as the Jets' most inspirational player for the 2023 season. Maybe the vote is done by "putting microphones in their faces and they are influenced to say the diplomatic thing". I'm not sure. You could well be right in what you're suggesting.

It seems a little odd considering he played what, 1 snap in 2023?

Perhaps he was inspirational on the sidelines?

Whether diplomatic or not I’m guessing no one was going to kick the man while he was down. I haven’t paid close attention to NYJ - did the Jets players also vote for him after the 2024 season?