QB Anthony Richardson, IND (1 Viewer)

[IHEARTFF]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

How can there not be...I like the kid but even the most pro-Richardson people will acknowledge the obvious downside...that being said that is the case with 98% (and I am probably low-balling) of rookie QBs.

yeah of course there is risk, but a kid who wants to get better built with 244 lbs with 4.4 speed and a qb friendly landing spot, seems like a very good risk to take.

 

[Boston]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

How can there not be...I like the kid but even the most pro-Richardson people will acknowledge the obvious downside...that being said that is the case with 98% (and I am probably low-balling) of rookie QBs.

yeah of course there is risk, but a kid who wants to get better built with 244 lbs with 4.4 speed and a qb friendly landing spot, seems like a very good risk to take.

And that is obvious as well.

 

[Kiddnets]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

How can there not be...I like the kid but even the most pro-Richardson people will acknowledge the obvious downside...that being said that is the case with 98% (and I am probably low-balling) of rookie QBs.

yeah of course there is risk, but a kid who wants to get better built with 244 lbs with 4.4 speed and a qb friendly landing spot, seems like a very good risk to take.

And that is obvious as well.

Im all for risk but after getting burned by Lance its tough to jump back into almost same scenario - however as said above they all have warts so why not go for the one with the highest upside.

 

[Boston]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

How can there not be...I like the kid but even the most pro-Richardson people will acknowledge the obvious downside...that being said that is the case with 98% (and I am probably low-balling) of rookie QBs.

yeah of course there is risk, but a kid who wants to get better built with 244 lbs with 4.4 speed and a qb friendly landing spot, seems like a very good risk to take.

And that is obvious as well.

Im all for risk but after getting burned by Lance its tough to jump back into almost same scenario - however as said above they all have warts so why not go for the one with the highest upside.

I can definitely see someone who invested in Lance being far more hesitant.

 

[Faust]

Shane Steichen: Anthony Richardson has come in attacking this thing like a pro

 

[massraider]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

Concern about the lack of experience, lack of passing numbers. No concern because you drafted a guy at the same spot who got injured. I get why you think that, but it's bad process.

Very good possibility that he was over-drafted because the success of Lamar/Hurts/Allen has led to FOMO. Plus, I don't particularly think he is in some amazing situation here, either. Unknown quantity at HC, overrated GM, pill-popping drunk owner who looks like he wants to be the unholy love child of Elon Musk and Jerry Jones.

When you drafted Lamar/Hurts/Allen in rookie drafts, they were screaming steals. Now ARich is top 5 in 1 QB leagues. That's a much higher price.

But at the end of it all, who are you taking over him? Zay Flowers?

 

[JohnnyU]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

Concern about the lack of experience, lack of passing numbers. No concern because you drafted a guy at the same spot who got injured. I get why you think that, but it's bad process.

Very good possibility that he was over-drafted because the success of Lamar/Hurts/Allen has led to FOMO. Plus, I don't particularly think he is in some amazing situation here, either. Unknown quantity at HC, overrated GM, pill-popping drunk owner who looks like he wants to be the unholy love child of Elon Musk and Jerry Jones.

When you drafted Lamar/Hurts/Allen in rookie drafts, they were screaming steals. Now ARich is top 5 in 1 QB leagues. That's a much higher price.

But at the end of it all, who are you taking over him? Zay Flowers?

I like Ballard and I don't really care what Irsay is, or is not.

 

[massraider]

I like Ballard and I don't really care what Irsay is, or is not.

Everyone likes Ballard, he once drafted Quentin Nelson and Shaq Leonard in the same draft, it was very exciting. He's been cruising on rep ever since.

 

[Kiddnets]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

Concern about the lack of experience, lack of passing numbers. No concern because you drafted a guy at the same spot who got injured. I get why you think that, but it's bad process.

Very good possibility that he was over-drafted because the success of Lamar/Hurts/Allen has led to FOMO. Plus, I don't particularly think he is in some amazing situation here, either. Unknown quantity at HC, overrated GM, pill-popping drunk owner who looks like he wants to be the unholy love child of Elon Musk and Jerry Jones.

When you drafted Lamar/Hurts/Allen in rookie drafts, they were screaming steals. Now ARich is top 5 in 1 QB leagues. That's a much higher price.

But at the end of it all, who are you taking over him? Zay Flowers?

not to turn this into my own situation so ill keep it in general - In SF Bjan will still likely go #1 so the #2 pick assuming they need a QB to start - many will be deciding between Richardson, Bryce and Stroud - kind of like a few years ago when deciding between Lance and Fields.

Lance had the huge upside but no experience however in great situation where Fields was the more established/polished QB bad situation. Would be agonizing to choose yet another high upside inexperienced QB fail only to watch Bryce become the next Drew Brees for a decade.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

How can there not be...I like the kid but even the most pro-Richardson people will acknowledge the obvious downside...that being said that is the case with 98% (and I am probably low-balling) of rookie QBs.

yeah of course there is risk, but a kid who wants to get better built with 244 lbs with 4.4 speed and a qb friendly landing spot, seems like a very good risk to take.

And that is obvious as well.

Also seemingly obvious is that Richardson played in a significantly tougher conference (SEC vs Missouri Valley Football Conference) and is a significantly better athlete than Lance. It’s not even debatable given his combine metrics.

I understand having trepidation about ARich’s floor Vs ceiling - that’s a valid concern.

But there should be no déjà vu because ARich isn’t analogous to Trey Lance. There’s no comp there other than collegiate experience and that for whatever reason the 49ers front office felt Lance was the caliber of prospect that Richardson is. As a 49ers fan it pains me to say they were completely wrong.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but after getting burned by Lance its tough to jump back into almost same scenario

Good news then, because their scenarios aren’t the same.

 

[massraider]

not to turn this into my own situation so ill keep it in general - In SF Bjan will still likely go #1 so the #2 pick assuming they need a QB to start - many will be deciding between Richardson, Bryce and Stroud - kind of like a few years ago when deciding between Lance and Fields.

Just my thinking, not trying to convince you, but even tho I love to knock the Colts (I dunno why, sorry JohnnyU), they are a much more stable org. than HOU or CAR, and that plays into it to me. I think a 1,000 foot view of the organization is worth looking at.

Houston getting Stroud at #2, and then trading all the way back up for #3 to get Anderson is a major red flag. I am entirely convinced that DeMeco wanted Anderson, the front office wanted a QB, so they appeased him by making a QB trade for non-QB. Kind of tells me they are going to be more of the same under Cal McNair. Carolina made a mega deal, then spent too much money on spare part offensive players. The owner seems like he might be the impatient type. Frank Reich to me is the guy who wanted Carson Wentz in IND, so not sure why we all supposed to be excited about him.

HOU and CAR, two teams who definitely will not add Marvin Harrison Jr next year to help their young QB.

 

[zamboni]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

Definitely a concern, but to be fair, we never really knew how fantasy friendly Lance could be - the Niners were a top team and not ready to hand him the keys over Jimmy G, and then in year 2 he got hurt early. The Colts don’t seem interested in letting Richardson hold the clipboard for a year.

 

[Faust]

Colts have surprising plan for Anthony Richardson?

Jonathan Taylor on Anthony Richardson: ‘It’s About to Get Scary’

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

I like Ballard and I don't really care what Irsay is, or is not.

Everyone likes Ballard, he once drafted Quentin Nelson and Shaq Leonard in the same draft, it was very exciting. He's been cruising on rep ever since.

Ballard crushed the 2023 draft

 

[massraider]

Ballard crushed the 2023 draft

uh huh

 

[zeeshan2]

not to turn this into my own situation so ill keep it in general - In SF Bjan will still likely go #1 so the #2 pick assuming they need a QB to start - many will be deciding between Richardson, Bryce and Stroud - kind of like a few years ago when deciding between Lance and Fields.

Just my thinking, not trying to convince you, but even tho I love to knock the Colts (I dunno why, sorry JohnnyU), they are a much more stable org. than HOU or CAR, and that plays into it to me. I think a 1,000 foot view of the organization is worth looking at.

Houston getting Stroud at #2, and then trading all the way back up for #3 to get Anderson is a major red flag. I am entirely convinced that DeMeco wanted Anderson, the front office wanted a QB, so they appeased him by making a QB trade for non-QB. Kind of tells me they are going to be more of the same under Cal McNair. Carolina made a mega deal, then spent too much money on spare part offensive players. The owner seems like he might be the impatient type. Frank Reich to me is the guy who wanted Carson Wentz in IND, so not sure why we all supposed to be excited about him.

HOU and CAR, two teams who definitely will not add Marvin Harrison Jr next year to help their young QB.

Cal Mcnair came out yesterday and said he didn't tell the Texans to take Stroud; he doesn't meddle at all and he's more of a stay in his lane kind of guy.

I don't like the Anderson trade for a couple of reasons but I doubt they give ARZ a top 5 pick anyway. The issue with it is they could trade it for a boatload of picks if they get a top 2 pick and they like Stroud. If he sucks, they could take Maye or Caleb there. It was a dumb and short sighted trade but I think Anderson is going to be good

 

[Todem]

Im intrigued but go burned by Try Lance who was another "developmental QB" who was not experience, shaky passer but supposedly would be a top fantasy QB due to his legs....no concern about deja vu here?

How can there not be...I like the kid but even the most pro-Richardson people will acknowledge the obvious downside...that being said that is the case with 98% (and I am probably low-balling) of rookie QBs.

yeah of course there is risk, but a kid who wants to get better built with 244 lbs with 4.4 speed and a qb friendly landing spot, seems like a very good risk to take.

And that is obvious as well.

Also seemingly obvious is that Richardson played in a significantly tougher conference (SEC vs Missouri Valley Football Conference) and is a significantly better athlete than Lance. It’s not even debatable given his combine metrics.

I understand having trepidation about ARich’s floor Vs ceiling - that’s a valid concern.

But there should be no déjà vu because ARich isn’t analogous to Trey Lance. There’s no comp there other than collegiate experience and that for whatever reason the 49ers front office felt Lance was the caliber of prospect that Richardson is. As a 49ers fan it pains me to say they were completely wrong.

I seriously don’t understand how anyone can come to this decisive of a verdict on QB (Lance) who broke his ankle in the second start of his career.

What sample size are you using to judge a QB.

I think it’s quite foolish of SF fans to just write off a guy who had a seriously bad break (pun intended) in only his second career start.

Talk about jumping to incredible conclusions.

I am not saying Lance is going to be great….but there is not enough tape at the NFL level to draw a “bust” conclusion just yet.

 

[massraider]

I think it’s quite foolish of SF fans to just write off a guy who had a seriously bad break (pun intended) in only his second career start.

Two years younger than Hendon Hooker.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I seriously don’t understand how anyone can come to this decisive of a verdict on QB (Lance) who broke his ankle in the second start of his career.

I’m a 49ers fan. I hear all the interviews with coaching staff, all the local beat guys, and watched Lance in the preseason.

And it is an indisputable fact that Lance played in a tissue paper soft conference while ARich played in the SEC. That shouldn’t be at all controversial - it is actually not a conclusion, but a description of reality.

What sample size are you using to judge a QB.

The one where Purdy managed the offense well enough that the 49ers essentially said when he’s healthy enough to play the job is his.

I think it’s quite foolish of SF fans to just write off a guy who had a seriously bad break (pun intended) in only his second career start.

I’m writing him off for FF. As for the 49ers, Purdy seems to have won the job. And word out of Niners has been that he’s (Lance) much less athletic than they thought, slower, and inaccurate. Concerns have emerged about his footwork & ability to read a defense.

Which is in part why Shanny used him like a fullback on the play where he broke his ankle.

Talk about jumping to incredible conclusions.

I am not saying Lance is going to be great….but there is not enough tape at the NFL level to draw a “bust” conclusion just yet.

I’m not saying he’s a bust yet. I’m not jumping to any conclusions. Maybe he has a bright future. I’m skeptical, but this ain’t the Lance topic. It’s the ARich topic. My conclusions about Lance are immaterial.

And when trying to compare Lance to ARich, it fails because it’s an apples to oranges comparison.

The combine, combined with ARich’s body of work makes that abundantly clear.

The statement was made that some folks are trigger shy *because of their experience drafting lance* - which is like saying you don’t like oranges because you tried an Apple once and didn’t like it.

That’s my point - not that Lance sucks (which he might, or might not) but that no one should be scared to take ARich because they once took Lance.

Be scared to take ARich because he might be a bust & fall flat on his face as an NFL QB. But that’s the *only* reason to be scared of drafting ARich, and has nothing to do with Lance.

If I were you I’d be buying up Lance shares everywhere. For me, I believe his dynasty value is wildly inflated based on draft capital & his alleged promise that he may never live up to.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Two years younger than Hendon Hooker.

Do you get FF points for that?

 

[massraider]

Two years younger than Hendon Hooker.

Do you get FF points for that?

I am not sure the ceiling and floor are very different for Lance and Richardson.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am not sure the ceiling and floor are very different for Lance and Richardson.

Well, the floor for Lance is getting beat out by Darnold, then Purdy comes back and Lance never actually starts for an NFL team. This is assuming Purdy won’t be ready for the season, which he might. (I’m a little skeptical). Or even worse, Lance gets his shot and is terrible, bursting the bubble of “maybe” and solidifying him as a bust.

His ceiling is as a game-manager in a run-1st offense that de-emphasizes the QB position because scheme & YAC. And since he’s not as good a runner as they thought they’d drafted, his once vaunted rushing upside would seem to be more illusory now.

ARich’s floor is similar - he could be a monumental bust and never QB a pro team.

But ARich upside is top 3 FF QB with game-breaking rushing ability at 6’4, 244

I see their potential outcomes as wildly different.

 

[massraider]

I am not sure the ceiling and floor are very different for Lance and Richardson.

Well, the floor for Lance is getting beat out by Darnold, then Purdy comes back and Lance never actually starting for an NFL team.

His ceiling is as a game-manager in a run-1st offense that de-emphasizes the QB position because scheme & YAC. And since he’s not as good a runner as they thought they’d drafted, his once vaunted rushing upside would seem to be more illusory now.

ARich’s floor is similar - he could be a monumental bust and never QB a pro team.

But ARich upside is top 3 FF QB with game-breaking rushing ability at 6’4, 244

I see their potential outcomes as wildly different.

I look at ARich's athletic talent the same way I would look at a RB/WR athletic talents. There's a minimum, you gotta be above that. There's special, where Lance/Hurts/Richardson etc reside.

Within that group of special athletes, what makes the best QB no longer has to do with athleticism, but all the intangibles, heart, hard work, passing acumen, decision--making. Whatever. (Ohmygod, did I forget PROCESSING?? for the love of god, don't let me forget processing speed, the QB attribute everyone made up 3 years ago).

I haven't seen enough in the NFL from Lance or ARich. I know this, I like SF's team more than IND.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am not sure the ceiling and floor are very different for Lance and Richardson.

Well, the floor for Lance is getting beat out by Darnold, then Purdy comes back and Lance never actually starting for an NFL team.

His ceiling is as a game-manager in a run-1st offense that de-emphasizes the QB position because scheme & YAC. And since he’s not as good a runner as they thought they’d drafted, his once vaunted rushing upside would seem to be more illusory now.

ARich’s floor is similar - he could be a monumental bust and never QB a pro team.

But ARich upside is top 3 FF QB with game-breaking rushing ability at 6’4, 244

I see their potential outcomes as wildly different.

I look at ARich's athletic talent the same way I would look at a RB/WR athletic talents. There's a minimum, you gotta be above that. There's special, where Lance/Hurts/Richardson etc reside.

It’s come out that Lance’s athleticism isn’t that special though. That’s where the disconnect seems to be between those who still believe in Lance, and those who don’t.

ARich’s special athleticism is bona fide. Documented. Historic, and demonstrably so.

Within that group of special athletes, what makes the best QB no longer has to do with athleticism, but all the intangibles, heart, hard work, passing acumen, decision--making. Whatever. (Ohmygod, did I forget PROCESSING?? for the love of god, don't let me forget processing speed, the QB attribute everyone made up 3 years ago).

lol

I haven't seen enough in the NFL from Lance or ARich. I know this, I like SF's team more than IND.

I like SF’s team more as well.

But I like INDY’s HC’s proven track record for developing QBs significantly more than SF’s. And I say that as a Niners fan.

 

[League Champion]

I took Richardson at 1.02 in a Dynasty Superflex and couldn't be more thrilled. The upside is scary, especially considering what Fields accomplished basically without throwing the ball. I'm excited for this one.

 

[Faust]

Colts QB Anthony Richardson Demonstrated His High End Character by ‘Quietly Cleaning Up’ Behind the Scenes

 

[Skipdog77]

Colts QB Anthony Richardson Demonstrated His High End Character by ‘Quietly Cleaning Up’ Behind the Scenes

Based on the picture in that article, his ability to Jedi-force push the ball into his receivers' hands has been woefully unreported. Bumping him up my 1QB draft board.

 

[Faust]

Matt Bowen explains why Anthony Richardson is perfect fit for Colts

 

[Faust]

The Kokomo Tribune's George Bremer said Colts coaches have been impressed by QB Anthony Richardson's pocket awareness. ​

"Richardson’s not quite as raw as he’s sometimes been portrayed," Bremer said after observing Richardson on the practice field last week. "The Colts have been impressed by his pocket awareness in particular, and he showed off some of his high-level play-making ability even during the brief rookie mini-camp." The rookie's excellent pocket awareness was reflected in his sack avoidance last season at Florida. In fact, Richardson's 2022 sack rate under pressure was lower than any quarterback dating back to 2015, according to Legendary Upside's Patrick Kerrane. Despite a meager 13 college starts, Richardson would seem to be on the fast track to starting Week 1 against the Jaguars.

SOURCE: Kokomotribune.com
May 16, 2023 at 9:38 AM ET

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The Kokomo Tribune's George Bremer said Colts coaches have been impressed by QB Anthony Richardson's pocket awareness. ​

"Richardson’s not quite as raw as he’s sometimes been portrayed," Bremer said after observing Richardson on the practice field last week. "The Colts have been impressed by his pocket awareness in particular, and he showed off some of his high-level play-making ability even during the brief rookie mini-camp." The rookie's excellent pocket awareness was reflected in his sack avoidance last season at Florida. In fact, Richardson's 2022 sack rate under pressure was lower than any quarterback dating back to 2015, according to Legendary Upside's Patrick Kerrane. Despite a meager 13 college starts, Richardson would seem to be on the fast track to starting Week 1 against the Jaguars.

SOURCE: Kokomotribune.com
May 16, 2023 at 9:38 AM ET

Many echoes of Waldman’s RSP

 

[FreeBaGeL]

And it is an indisputable fact that Lance played in a tissue paper soft conference while ARich played in the SEC. That shouldn’t be at all controversial - it is actually not a conclusion, but a description of reality.

I'm as big of an SEC honk as there is but this is one case where it couldn't be less relevant.

Comparing the conferences they played in would make sense if we were talking about similar performance. IE both played poorly, or both played well. But playing like a steaming pile of dog crap and getting run off the field in the SEC isn't a good thing just because it happened to happen in the SEC. I mean, Vanderbilt's quarterbacks played in the SEC. And if anything, they were much better against SEC competition than Richardson was.

Richardson is the definition of a hail marry. And that's fine, he's got massive upside, and sometimes hail marry's work out. I think @massraider made the most salient point in this thread though. When people took hail marry's on LJax, Allen, Hurts they were doing it with 2nd or 3rd round rookie picks (I like Richardson in the same range). Using a top 5 pick in a 1qb league is a different ball game to me.

And FWIW, I don't think Hurts even belongs in this conversation because he did more a passer in individual games than Richardson did his entire career. You could even say that about Lamar Jackson to some extent. Josh Allen is really the only guy that's been anywhere close to as inept as Richardson as a passer in college and still worked out.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I play dynasty SF. I’m taking him top 5 in dynasty SF.

What people do in 1 QB leagues doesn’t really interest me, though I might take a late round flier on him in my 1 QB IDP redraft if I miss all of my targets. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I doubt anyone drafts him as a top 8 option in there.

Dynasty 1 QB, you might be right. But relative to the rest of this draft class, I believe ARich is still a 1st round pick.

 

[Birdie048]

I play dynasty SF. I’m taking him top 5 in dynasty SF.

What people do in 1 QB leagues doesn’t really interest me, though I might take a late round flier on him in my 1 QB IDP redraft if I miss all of my targets. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I doubt anyone drafts him as a top 8 option in there.

Dynasty 1 QB, you might be right. But relative to the rest of this draft class, I believe ARich is still a 1st round pick.

In my 1 QB league, the current champ had the 1.05 from a previous trade (in 2021) and took A Rich at 1.05
His other QBs = A Rodgers (39) and Kirk Cousins (34) ... he also has Mike White but likely a cut before long.

 

[travdogg]

I play dynasty SF. I’m taking him top 5 in dynasty SF.

What people do in 1 QB leagues doesn’t really interest me, though I might take a late round flier on him in my 1 QB IDP redraft if I miss all of my targets. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I doubt anyone drafts him as a top 8 option in there.

Dynasty 1 QB, you might be right. But relative to the rest of this draft class, I believe ARich is still a 1st round pick.

In my 1 QB league, the current champ had the 1.05 from a previous trade (in 2021) and took A Rich at 1.05
His other QBs = A Rodgers (39) and Kirk Cousins (34) ... he also has Mike White but likely a cut before long.

I've got Richardson as the 1.5 in 1-QB dynasty leagues, way too much upside. In a SF league, he should be a top-3 lock.

I kinda think Richardson's being grossly underrated even in redraft. No reason he can't be a top-10 QB THIS season. That guy who has Rodgers and Cousins, is probably going to be starting Richardson a lot, maybe the most of the 3.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

B-U-S-T!

I'll have a QB thread before Week 1 and I haven't posted once in this thread
It's felt like the Emperor's New Clothes for a while.
The talking heads must have a certain allotment of QBs for the TV and ratings and to fill the heads of fans for these teams that their dream of a franchise QB is just around the corner.
So many things wrong with how we arrived at this point and the Colts taking him at #4 overall, its hard to know where to start.

i'm not going to get into a tug of war with anyone, keep chirping and posting all the good vibes, biased reports, rose colored glasses, just keep posting your hopes and dreams because there isn't anything factual you have to lean on. No trophies, no SEC Championships, no College Playoffs so he didn't compete and win at the highest level but he's going to walk into Indianapolis and all systems are Go!?
Oh My Holy God have folks been sold a bad bill of good here.

You had to want to love this player or seek out all the good reports on him because a lot of average fans had no clue who he was after college football was over.
So most have never watched the guy play but have bought into the Mel Kiper's of the world who use jigsaw puzzle drafting to fill needs and desires of fans to play on emotions
I doubt most NFL scouts listen or read much of any of the NFL talking heads on TV or so called draft experts.

Good Luck!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

B-U-S-T!

I'll have a QB thread before Week 1 and I haven't posted once in this thread
It's felt like the Emperor's New Clothes for a while.
The talking heads must have a certain allotment of QBs for the TV and ratings and to fill the heads of fans for these teams that their dream of a franchise QB is just around the corner.
So many things wrong with how we arrived at this point and the Colts taking him at #4 overall, its hard to know where to start.

i'm not going to get into a tug of war with anyone, keep chirping and posting all the good vibes, biased reports, rose colored glasses, just keep posting your hopes and dreams because there isn't anything factual you have to lean on. No trophies, no SEC Championships, no College Playoffs so he didn't compete and win at the highest level but he's going to walk into Indianapolis and all systems are Go!?
Oh My Holy God have folks been sold a bad bill of good here.

You had to want to love this player or seek out all the good reports on him because a lot of average fans had no clue who he was after college football was over.
So most have never watched the guy play but have bought into the Mel Kiper's of the world who use jigsaw puzzle drafting to fill needs and desires of fans to play on emotions
I doubt most NFL scouts listen or read much of any of the NFL talking heads on TV or so called draft experts.

Good Luck!

I’m gonna go with Matt Waldman (his QB1 of this class) over your, whatever this is.

No offense, but his multi-page incredibly detailed break down & analysis is worlds more impressive than your post here.

 

[zamboni]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

I draft next week with the 1.01 & 1.02

I have no concerns - I’ll make my picks in .06 seconds.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

B-U-S-T!

I'll have a QB thread before Week 1 and I haven't posted once in this thread
It's felt like the Emperor's New Clothes for a while.
The talking heads must have a certain allotment of QBs for the TV and ratings and to fill the heads of fans for these teams that their dream of a franchise QB is just around the corner.
So many things wrong with how we arrived at this point and the Colts taking him at #4 overall, its hard to know where to start.

i'm not going to get into a tug of war with anyone, keep chirping and posting all the good vibes, biased reports, rose colored glasses, just keep posting your hopes and dreams because there isn't anything factual you have to lean on. No trophies, no SEC Championships, no College Playoffs so he didn't compete and win at the highest level but he's going to walk into Indianapolis and all systems are Go!?
Oh My Holy God have folks been sold a bad bill of good here.

You had to want to love this player or seek out all the good reports on him because a lot of average fans had no clue who he was after college football was over.
So most have never watched the guy play but have bought into the Mel Kiper's of the world who use jigsaw puzzle drafting to fill needs and desires of fans to play on emotions
I doubt most NFL scouts listen or read much of any of the NFL talking heads on TV or so called draft experts.

Good Luck!

I’m gonna go with Matt Waldman (his QB1 of this class) over your, whatever this is.

No offense, but his multi-page incredibly detailed break down & analysis is worlds more impressive than your post here.

My friend, why pull Matt into this, there's guys that get paid Millions and Millions on TV, credible journalists that love this guy just like they loved every QB that was drafted last year, Malik Willis was a 1st Rd prospect, remember that?

Why put me down to prop up what you yourself obviously believe in? I'm nobody but I must have gotten your attention
52.5%, I have not heard a single post or worthy news report to overcome this other than dropped balls
That's a completion rate to hitch your wagons to

As I said, i wish folks the best of luck, sounds like you have bushels of it with Waldman, don't need any outsiders clouding things for you
It's May, I typically am angled for redrafts, did you have this guy Top 5 in 2023?
I don't like any of the Indy offense in 2023, just FYI, too many good situations to to take a stab into the unknown

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

You are going to draft this guy in 2023 Redraft leagues?

Good Luck!

 

[zamboni]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

You are going to draft this guy in 2023 Redraft leagues?

Good Luck!

Superflex keeper league to pair with Josh Allen. I’ll also go after a safer, lower upside guy as my 3rd QB as Richardson insurance.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

You are going to draft this guy in 2023 Redraft leagues?

Good Luck!

Superflex keeper league to pair with Josh Allen. I’ll also go after a safer, lower upside guy as my 3rd QB as Richardson insurance.

I'm in redrafts where we only get to start....(everybody hold on to the rails) 1 Quarterback...just 1 QB gets to start for the majority of my redraft leagues, I must be living in 1984 or something

 

[dipandglide]

I thought I'd get a lot of ARich shares in the middle-late 1st. People are now taking him over Bjian. Sad times

Edit - The best those of us who miss out can hope for is a poor y1 showing that opens up a buy window. AR's rushing floor probably keeps the fantasy buy window shut unfortunately

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

B-U-S-T!

I'll have a QB thread before Week 1 and I haven't posted once in this thread
It's felt like the Emperor's New Clothes for a while.
The talking heads must have a certain allotment of QBs for the TV and ratings and to fill the heads of fans for these teams that their dream of a franchise QB is just around the corner.
So many things wrong with how we arrived at this point and the Colts taking him at #4 overall, its hard to know where to start.

i'm not going to get into a tug of war with anyone, keep chirping and posting all the good vibes, biased reports, rose colored glasses, just keep posting your hopes and dreams because there isn't anything factual you have to lean on. No trophies, no SEC Championships, no College Playoffs so he didn't compete and win at the highest level but he's going to walk into Indianapolis and all systems are Go!?
Oh My Holy God have folks been sold a bad bill of good here.

You had to want to love this player or seek out all the good reports on him because a lot of average fans had no clue who he was after college football was over.
So most have never watched the guy play but have bought into the Mel Kiper's of the world who use jigsaw puzzle drafting to fill needs and desires of fans to play on emotions
I doubt most NFL scouts listen or read much of any of the NFL talking heads on TV or so called draft experts.

Good Luck!

I’m gonna go with Matt Waldman (his QB1 of this class) over your, whatever this is.

No offense, but his multi-page incredibly detailed break down & analysis is worlds more impressive than your post here.

My friend, why pull Matt into this, there's guys that get paid Millions and Millions on TV, credible journalists that love this guy just like they loved every QB that was drafted last year, Malik Willis was a 1st Rd prospect, remember that?

Why put me down to prop up what you yourself obviously believe in? I'm nobody but I must have gotten your attention
52.5%, I have not heard a single post or worthy news report to overcome this other than dropped balls
That's a completion rate to hitch your wagons to

As I said, i wish folks the best of luck, sounds like you have bushels of it with Waldman, don't need any outsiders clouding things for you
It's May, I typically am angled for redrafts, did you have this guy Top 5 in 2023?
I don't like any of the Indy offense in 2023, just FYI, too many good situations to to take a stab into the unknown

I didn’t. You did.

Waldman has ARich as the QB1 - and did a fantastic job justifying that projection. He spent several pages of his RSP detailing why ARich is worthy of QB1 status, with game by game and even play by play breakdowns of his strengths & weaknesses. Further, and what convinced me, was where he broke down ARich’s biggest weaknesses with the evaluation that ARich’s issues were ultimately fixable through good coaching.

And that was all before he was selected by indy, the absolute perfect landing spot for coaching a rushing QB.

By posting that long opinion-based post about ARich being a bust, you put yourself on the opposite side of Waldman’s detailed analysis. You did that, not me.

As such, you forced me to pick a side. And as I said, based on what you wrote, versus what Matt Waldman wrote, I am infinitely more impressed by Matt Waldman’s analysis than your opinion based posting which comes off a bit like haterade.

You can either choose to take it personally, or not… But it’s really not personal. You’re welcome to attempt to defend your post, but if it falls short of Waldman’s analysis, it won’t move the needle in my eyes.

 

[MTskibum]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

You are going to draft this guy in 2023 Redraft leagues?

Good Luck!

I agree with you MOP, I think he will be a bust for the colts, however even if he is a bust his rushing totals will likely keep him as a top 10 fantasy QB when he is a full time starter. I will draft him in both redrafts and bestballs.

You don't need good passing skills to put up fantasy points from the QB position if you have the athletics like Richardson has.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I thought I'd get a lot of ARich shares in the middle-late 1st. People are now taking him over Bjian. Sad times

Edit - The best those of us who miss out can hope for is a poor y1 showing that opens up a buy window. AR's rushing floor probably keeps the fantasy buy window shut unfortunately

I have yet to see him go before Bijan.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

You are going to draft this guy in 2023 Redraft leagues?

Good Luck!

I agree with you MOP, I think he will be a bust for the colts, however even if he is a bust his rushing totals will likely keep him as a top 10 fantasy QB when he is a full time starter. I will draft him in both redrafts and bestballs.

You don't need good passing skills to put up fantasy points from the QB position if you have the athletics like Richardson has.

I believe he has a chance to be a bust for the Colts, and I also believe he has a chance to be a generational QB for the Colts.

But like you said - it’s more about FF.

And his rushing floor should make him a great FF QB for years. And the fact that he should have 4-5 years to prove it one way or another should give his long-term value stability in SF leagues for a while as well.

 

[zamboni]

I hope the concerns linger all offseason and through training camp so I can grab him in my early September draft.

You are going to draft this guy in 2023 Redraft leagues?

Good Luck!

I agree with you MOP, I think he will be a bust for the colts, however even if he is a bust his rushing totals will likely keep him as a top 10 fantasy QB when he is a full time starter. I will draft him in both redrafts and bestballs.

You don't need good passing skills to put up fantasy points from the QB position if you have the athletics like Richardson has.

That’s exactly the way I’m approaching it. As long as he totally doesn’t flame out NFL wise, the fantasy stats could be very enticing.

 

[League Champion]

doubt most NFL scouts listen or read much of any of the NFL talking heads on TV or so called draft experts.

He was drafted 4th overall. Some scout must love him.