QB Brock Purdy, SF (4 Viewers)

[TheDirtyWord]

I’d argue Darnold owes his success to O’Connell more than shanny. If I’m the Vikings I try to keep him but he might be too expensive.
Depending on cost, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Sam in Nashville.

You could ignore the obvious and say it was due to Shanny, sure…

The scenario doesn't claim Shanny is/isn't more responsible for Darnold's resurrgence. What we know is in 2023 with his career at a low point, Darnold chose to learn under SF and Shanny. His next opportunity came from an organization that runs an offense off the Shanahan/McVay coaching tree. Now he's a stud, I have to think the year in SF helped with that career reset. And returning there would be in line with an offensive system that helped him re-establish his career.

I think Purdy is probably too good to mess around with like this, yet simultaneously probably undervalued by other teams to the point they wouldn’t get an incredible haul for him. So I don’t think it makes sense in either direction.

I don't have much faith in Darnold. Great year, but I don't see him being anything more than a bridge for a younger QB, like he is in Minnesota. Giants and Raiders seem like a good fit, some bottom-level team needing a vet to pair with a rookie. Maybe the Saints if they feel like they can still make a run in a weak division in 2025?

I see Purdy as a lot better than that. He has a track record in the playoffs, and he didn't blink in the Super Bowl. He's legit. If the 49ers somehow let him go, I'd think the Steelers would be interested. Or the Rams if Stafford is ready to hang it up. But I'd see him going to a contender, not Darnold. Just my opinion.

As hard as it is to get a franchise QB you don’t risk ruining it by getting cute.

The reality is that Purdy will be looking for a contract well in excess of what Jalen Hurts secured 2 years ago (when FA opens up); $51M ACV. I don't really have a read on Darnold's worth on the open market, but I think it will be far less (20-25% less on ACV)

The 49ers have been disappointing this year and it's been Purdy's worst season of his 3. When we look forward...

Trent Willliams banged up and will be 37
Kittle will be 32
Aiyuk likely not his full self until 2026
Deebo has really fallen off a cliff.
CMC is 29 next year and coming off more legg issues

...feels like a alot of exposure to be making a maximum investment in a QB who has performed like a franchise QB for maybe half a season more than what we just saw from Darnold who'll be 28 in 2025? He's entering his prime. Meanwhile SF is one of the older teams in the NFL and just fell from it's perch.

...and yes, by securing Darnold you put yourself in a bit of a Justin Fields (2024 offseason) situation, but the demand for Purdy would be far higher and there would be at least 4-5 teams who'd have to seriously look into acquiring him; I have to think SF gets 2 1st rounders and perhaps other premium picks to help replenish their talent base who entered 2024 with the 3rd oldest roster in the NFL I believe.

Tennessee
Pittsburgh
NYG/NYJ
Las Vegas
New Orleans

Dark horses could include LA Rams

This wouldn't be an indictment on Purdy...it's just cap and draft capital economics.

 

[-OZ-]

I’d argue Darnold owes his success to O’Connell more than shanny. If I’m the Vikings I try to keep him but he might be too expensive.
Depending on cost, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Sam in Nashville.

You could ignore the obvious and say it was due to Shanny, sure…

The scenario doesn't claim Shanny is/isn't more responsible for Darnold's resurrgence. What we know is in 2023 with his career at a low point, Darnold chose to learn under SF and Shanny. His next opportunity came from an organization that runs an offense off the Shanahan/McVay coaching tree. Now he's a stud, I have to think the year in SF helped with that career reset. And returning there would be in line with an offensive system that helped him re-establish his career.

I think Purdy is probably too good to mess around with like this, yet simultaneously probably undervalued by other teams to the point they wouldn’t get an incredible haul for him. So I don’t think it makes sense in either direction.

I don't have much faith in Darnold. Great year, but I don't see him being anything more than a bridge for a younger QB, like he is in Minnesota. Giants and Raiders seem like a good fit, some bottom-level team needing a vet to pair with a rookie. Maybe the Saints if they feel like they can still make a run in a weak division in 2025?

I see Purdy as a lot better than that. He has a track record in the playoffs, and he didn't blink in the Super Bowl. He's legit. If the 49ers somehow let him go, I'd think the Steelers would be interested. Or the Rams if Stafford is ready to hang it up. But I'd see him going to a contender, not Darnold. Just my opinion.

As hard as it is to get a franchise QB you don’t risk ruining it by getting cute.

The reality is that Purdy will be looking for a contract well in excess of what Jalen Hurts secured 2 years ago (when FA opens up); $51M ACV. I don't really have a read on Darnold's worth on the open market, but I think it will be far less (20-25% less on ACV)

The 49ers have been disappointing this year and it's been Purdy's worst season of his 3. When we look forward...

Trent Willliams banged up and will be 37
Kittle will be 32
Aiyuk likely not his full self until 2026
Deebo has really fallen off a cliff.
CMC is 29 next year and coming off more legg issues

...feels like a alot of exposure to be making a maximum investment in a QB who has performed like a franchise QB for maybe half a season more than what we just saw from Darnold who'll be 28 in 2025? He's entering his prime. Meanwhile SF is one of the older teams in the NFL and just fell from it's perch.

...and yes, by securing Darnold you put yourself in a bit of a Justin Fields (2024 offseason) situation, but the demand for Purdy would be far higher and there would be at least 4-5 teams who'd have to seriously look into acquiring him; I have to think SF gets 2 1st rounders and perhaps other premium picks to help replenish their talent base who entered 2024 with the 3rd oldest roster in the NFL I believe.

Tennessee
Pittsburgh
NYG/NYJ
Las Vegas
New Orleans

Dark horses could include LA Rams

This wouldn't be an indictment on Purdy...it's just cap and draft capital economics.

We’ll see. I just really don’t think this happens.

There’s talk on the NFL stock exchange where the Vikings keep Darnold and trade McCarthy. Seems crazy but makes sense for Minnesota imo.

Do you really think a team is giving multiple firsts for Purdy while his own team goes elsewhere? I don’t see the logic if the other team could just sign Darnold, apparently for far less?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

We’ll see. I just really don’t think this happens.

There’s talk on the NFL stock exchange where the Vikings keep Darnold and trade McCarthy. Seems crazy but makes sense for Minnesota imo.

Do you really think a team is giving multiple firsts for Purdy while his own team goes elsewhere? I don’t see the logic if the other team could just sign Darnold, apparently for far less?

Fair point...but the Darnold signing would happen prior to any trade of Purdy, so SF isn't different than any other team in the NFL in that regard.

Except Darnold knows the franchise from the inside out and gets to work with perhaps the preeminent offensive mind in the game.

 

[-OZ-]

We’ll see. I just really don’t think this happens.

There’s talk on the NFL stock exchange where the Vikings keep Darnold and trade McCarthy. Seems crazy but makes sense for Minnesota imo.

Do you really think a team is giving multiple firsts for Purdy while his own team goes elsewhere? I don’t see the logic if the other team could just sign Darnold, apparently for far less?

Fair point...but the Darnold signing would happen prior to any trade of Purdy, so SF isn't different than any other team in the NFL in that regard.

Except Darnold knows the franchise from the inside out and gets to work with perhaps the preeminent offensive mind in the game.

Do you think lynch signs Darnold again, then risks not getting what he wants for Brock?
I don’t think Brock is worth two firsts if SF thinks he’s replaceable. Trading multiple picks for veteran QBs hasn’t really worked for gaining teams lately.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

We’ll see. I just really don’t think this happens.

There’s talk on the NFL stock exchange where the Vikings keep Darnold and trade McCarthy. Seems crazy but makes sense for Minnesota imo.

Do you really think a team is giving multiple firsts for Purdy while his own team goes elsewhere? I don’t see the logic if the other team could just sign Darnold, apparently for far less?

Fair point...but the Darnold signing would happen prior to any trade of Purdy, so SF isn't different than any other team in the NFL in that regard.

Except Darnold knows the franchise from the inside out and gets to work with perhaps the preeminent offensive mind in the game.

Do you think lynch signs Darnold again, then risks not getting what he wants for Brock?
I don’t think Brock is worth two firsts if SF thinks he’s replaceable. Trading multiple picks for veteran QBs hasn’t really worked for gaining teams lately.

The Rams traded Goff and two firsts for Stafford...I'd say that was win/win. I think you're underestimating the demand here where front offices and HC's are pretty much getting 3 years to establish a winning program. You think Brian Callahan in TEN wants to wait out the Will Levis experience? GM's and HC's see what happens to guys like Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh and Dennis Allen. Terry Fontenot and Raheem Morris over-corrected in Atlanta.

I'm sure Lynch can gauge the market for a veteran QB entering his prime thru his back channels and understand roughly what the comp would be. I also think the categorization of Purdy as 'replaceable' would be inaccurate. It's simply a GM and a franchise allocating resources based on their current situation.

Taking it a step further...a high 1st round pick QB is no guarantee, particularly in what is perceived as a weak draft class. Meanwhile Purdy has already been very impressive at the NFL level and is still young. To me, he represents far less risk.

This would all be moot if Darnold signed elsewhere obviously, but IMO...I think it's very much worth SF looking into as they are very much uniquely positioned here.

 

[Buckna]

LOL, Darnold? He will turn into a pumpkin again next year as soon as he doesn't have Justin Jefferson catching the ball just like Cousins has.

 

[thecatch]

We’ll see. I just really don’t think this happens.

There’s talk on the NFL stock exchange where the Vikings keep Darnold and trade McCarthy. Seems crazy but makes sense for Minnesota imo.

Do you really think a team is giving multiple firsts for Purdy while his own team goes elsewhere? I don’t see the logic if the other team could just sign Darnold, apparently for far less?

Fair point...but the Darnold signing would happen prior to any trade of Purdy, so SF isn't different than any other team in the NFL in that regard.

Except Darnold knows the franchise from the inside out and gets to work with perhaps the preeminent offensive mind in the game.

Do you think lynch signs Darnold again, then risks not getting what he wants for Brock?
I don’t think Brock is worth two firsts if SF thinks he’s replaceable. Trading multiple picks for veteran QBs hasn’t really worked for gaining teams lately.

The Rams traded Goff and two firsts for Stafford...I'd say that was win/win. I think you're underestimating the demand here where front offices and HC's are pretty much getting 3 years to establish a winning program. You think Brian Callahan in TEN wants to wait out the Will Levis experience? GM's and HC's see what happens to guys like Joe Douglas/Robert Saleh and Dennis Allen. Terry Fontenot and Raheem Morris over-corrected in Atlanta.

I'm sure Lynch can gauge the market for a veteran QB entering his prime thru his back channels and understand roughly what the comp would be. I also think the categorization of Purdy as 'replaceable' would be inaccurate. It's simply a GM and a franchise allocating resources based on their current situation.

Taking it a step further...a high 1st round pick QB is no guarantee, particularly in what is perceived as a weak draft class. Meanwhile Purdy has already been very impressive at the NFL level and is still young. To me, he represents far less risk.

This would all be moot if Darnold signed elsewhere obviously, but IMO...I think it's very much worth SF looking into as they are very much uniquely positioned here.

I'm a little skeptical Purdy would return 2 firsts, particularly from a team that doesn't have a Shanahan disciple running the offense. That's just his perception - I think he's worth more than that, as someone who still is among the leaders in some statistical categories despite having almost no help this year. Darnold was a good trooper as the backup QB in SF last year but there's not a lot of reason to think he'd be just as effective as Purdy is, and I suspect Darnold won't be particularly cheap either. Bottom line is that I don't think there's any real chance of a Purdy trade this offseason. Worst case scenario the team will run him back out for the final year of his contract next year and get another year's worth of data before committing massive money to him. They can always franchise tag him the year after that if he's awesome again.

 

[-OZ-]

The Rams traded Goff and two firsts for Stafford...I'd say that was win/win. I think you're underestimating the demand here where front offices and HC's are pretty much getting 3 years to establish a winning program

That trade was almost 4 years ago and most teams aren’t the Rams.
I think you’re over thinking things and this scenario is far more likely in fantasy.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I'm a little skeptical Purdy would return 2 firsts, particularly from a team that doesn't have a Shanahan disciple running the offense. That's just his perception - I think he's worth more than that, as someone who still is among the leaders in some statistical categories despite having almost no help this year. Darnold was a good trooper as the backup QB in SF last year but there's not a lot of reason to think he'd be just as effective as Purdy is, and I suspect Darnold won't be particularly cheap either. Bottom line is that I don't think there's any real chance of a Purdy trade this offseason. Worst case scenario the team will run him back out for the final year of his contract next year and get another year's worth of data before committing massive money to him. They can always franchise tag him the year after that if he's awesome again.

If I'm Brock Purdy, I don't step on a practice field until I'm signed long term. Kids in college are making more than him now, quite frankly, there are kids making more than him this year than Purdy has so far in his NFL career.

But if you're a team without a QB, then you'd likely be using a first on a QB. So the extra first is the prohibiting factor? 1st rounders are valuable, but when you have no QB...?

I do agree Darnold won't be cheap, but I doubt he'll be more expensive than Purdy. We'll see what the market reveals, but in a market where the #2 FA QB is likely to be Justin Fields, SF has the opportunity to have buyers go theu them.

 

[Joe Schmo]

It makes no sense whatsoever to trade away your young franchise qb (who you think commands 2 firsts) for a guy that's in the bounce around the league phase of his career and has exactly one season of pure value under his belt. Darnold ain't gonna be cheap especially if he comps Daniel Jones so you'll be on the hook for franchise qb money either way, may as well back the truck up for the guy that's already proven himself in your organization for three years running and who is 2.5 years younger.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm a little skeptical Purdy would return 2 firsts, particularly from a team that doesn't have a Shanahan disciple running the offense. That's just his perception - I think he's worth more than that, as someone who still is among the leaders in some statistical categories despite having almost no help this year. Darnold was a good trooper as the backup QB in SF last year but there's not a lot of reason to think he'd be just as effective as Purdy is, and I suspect Darnold won't be particularly cheap either. Bottom line is that I don't think there's any real chance of a Purdy trade this offseason. Worst case scenario the team will run him back out for the final year of his contract next year and get another year's worth of data before committing massive money to him. They can always franchise tag him the year after that if he's awesome again.

If I'm Brock Purdy, I don't step on a practice field until I'm signed long term. Kids in college are making more than him now, quite frankly, there are kids making more than him this year than Purdy has so far in his NFL career.

But if you're a team without a QB, then you'd likely be using a first on a QB. So the extra first is the prohibiting factor? 1st rounders are valuable, but when you have no QB...?

I do agree Darnold won't be cheap, but I doubt he'll be more expensive than Purdy. We'll see what the market reveals, but in a market where the #2 FA QB is likely to be Justin Fields, SF has the opportunity to have buyers go theu them.

Totally agree with you regarding Brock.
Also that Darnold will be less pricy. The rest? Not so much but teams do wacky things sometimes.

 

[Wingnut]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

 

[JohnnyU]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

 

[Tau837]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

The 49ers are running an NFL franchise, not a fantasy team.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

The 49ers are running an NFL franchise, not a fantasy team.

Yes of course. Purdy is the priority.

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs.

 

[Kiddnets]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

The 49ers are running an NFL franchise, not a fantasy team.

Yes of course. Purdy is the priority.

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs.

As a Jets fan Id sign up for Purdy now for 2 1sts - only concern is to bring in a HC to run similar O as SF. SF beware - grass is always greener! QB purgatory can last decades!

 

[JohnnyU]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

The 49ers are running an NFL franchise, not a fantasy team.

Yes of course. Purdy is the priority.

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs.

As a Jets fan Id sign up for Purdy now for 2 1sts - only concern is to bring in a HC to run similar O as SF. SF beware - grass is always greener! QB purgatory can last decades!

I don't want Purdy anywhere near New Jersey.

 

[-OZ-]

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs

My point earlier isn’t that he isn’t worth it right now. But if the 49ers decided he wasn’t good enough to pay, I’d think there are other reasons in play, other than “next man up”. This is the same team that traded up and drafted Trey Lance.

 

[JohnnyU]

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs

My point earlier isn’t that he isn’t worth it right now. But if the 49ers decided he wasn’t good enough to pay, I’d think there are other reasons in play, other than “next man up”. This is the same team that traded up and drafted Trey Lance.

Good reason not to make a second mistake and lose Purdy.

 

[thecatch]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

The 49ers are running an NFL franchise, not a fantasy team.

Yes of course. Purdy is the priority.

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs.

As a Jets fan Id sign up for Purdy now for 2 1sts - only concern is to bring in a HC to run similar O as SF. SF beware - grass is always greener! QB purgatory can last decades!

Trust me, we know. We had ~20 years of QB purgatory between Jeff Garcia and Brock Purdy (with an 18-month Kaepernick interlude in there).

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm a little skeptical Purdy would return 2 firsts, particularly from a team that doesn't have a Shanahan disciple running the offense. That's just his perception - I think he's worth more than that, as someone who still is among the leaders in some statistical categories despite having almost no help this year. Darnold was a good trooper as the backup QB in SF last year but there's not a lot of reason to think he'd be just as effective as Purdy is, and I suspect Darnold won't be particularly cheap either. Bottom line is that I don't think there's any real chance of a Purdy trade this offseason. Worst case scenario the team will run him back out for the final year of his contract next year and get another year's worth of data before committing massive money to him. They can always franchise tag him the year after that if he's awesome again.

If I'm Brock Purdy, I don't step on a practice field until I'm signed long term. Kids in college are making more than him now, quite frankly, there are kids making more than him this year than Purdy has so far in his NFL career.

But if you're a team without a QB, then you'd likely be using a first on a QB. So the extra first is the prohibiting factor? 1st rounders are valuable, but when you have no QB...?

I do agree Darnold won't be cheap, but I doubt he'll be more expensive than Purdy. We'll see what the market reveals, but in a market where the #2 FA QB is likely to be Justin Fields, SF has the opportunity to have buyers go theu them.

I was surprised he played more than about 6-8 games this season
I don't know how anyone could expect him to take the field next year
Tua played year 4 of his rookie deal for $4M but that was mostly due to concussions
Then he went the whole season injury free mostly and Miami paid him like other NFL starting QBs in the off season

I expect Purdy to be offered a similar contract but not a record breaking contract, likely a short term 3-4 yr deal with a rather large signing bonus

 

[-OZ-]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

The 49ers are running an NFL franchise, not a fantasy team.

Yes of course. Purdy is the priority.

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs.

As a Jets fan Id sign up for Purdy now for 2 1sts - only concern is to bring in a HC to run similar O as SF. SF beware - grass is always greener! QB purgatory can last decades!

Trust me, we know. We had ~20 years of QB purgatory between Jeff Garcia and Brock Purdy (with an 18-month Kaepernick interlude in there).

SF doesn’t know the true pain of suckitude.

 

[thecatch]

Zero chance Purdy isn't a 49er long term. They've already said they plan to extend him this offseason.

It would seem odd to think otherwise.

The 49ers are running an NFL franchise, not a fantasy team.

Yes of course. Purdy is the priority.

Just in terms of value, I think he could easily fetch 2 firsts from like the Saints or Steelers or Browns or Jets who need young franchise qbs.

As a Jets fan Id sign up for Purdy now for 2 1sts - only concern is to bring in a HC to run similar O as SF. SF beware - grass is always greener! QB purgatory can last decades!

Trust me, we know. We had ~20 years of QB purgatory between Jeff Garcia and Brock Purdy (with an 18-month Kaepernick interlude in there).

SF doesn’t know the true pain of suckitude.

Fair, I'm not trying to make the argument the Niners have had it the worst. (Although I'm also a Sacramento Kings fan so I personally know pain and suffering on a level almost unprecedented in the sports landscape.)

 

[Kiddnets]

Well that was awful.....felt great about the matchup. Def weather in the 1st but 2d half was fine and still lousy....concerning

 

[JohnnyU]

No Christmas card from me this year

 

[the spanker]

No Christmas card from me this year

 

[Wingnut]

Brock Purdy dropped to #9 in QBR after that game.

Purdy's demonstrated performance ceiling: #1 QBR
Purdy's demonstrated performance floor: #9 QBR

That is how you objectively evaluate Purdy. It's not through emotional, knee-jerk one-game reactions

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[Faust]

Chase Senior
Everybody is down on Brock Purdy's deep ball this season. He's actually throwing the deep ball well by the numbers, despite some misses.

In 2023: #1 deep ball completion rate at 55.3% and his receiver target separation was 14th.

In 2024: #3 deep ball completion rate at 47.2% and his receiver target separation is 68th among QB's who have thrown a pass.

In 2023: Deep ball catchable pass rate was #1 at 61.7%

In 2024: Deep ball catchable pass rate is 50%, which is #6 in the NFL.

The lack of receiver target separation for the 49ers and no Brandon Aiyuk has really hurt Purdy. He's had to make a lot of taxing, tight window throws.

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[JohnnyU]

Brock Purdy dropped to #9 in QBR after that game.

Purdy's demonstrated performance ceiling: #1 QBR
Purdy's demonstrated performance floor: #9 QBR

That is how you objectively evaluate Purdy. It's not through emotional, knee-jerk one-game reactions

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Two out of the last three games with less than 4 fantasy points. That’s hard to do, even from bad QBs.

 

[Kiddnets]

Brock Purdy dropped to #9 in QBR after that game.

Purdy's demonstrated performance ceiling: #1 QBR
Purdy's demonstrated performance floor: #9 QBR

That is how you objectively evaluate Purdy. It's not through emotional, knee-jerk one-game reactions

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Two out of the last three games with less than 4 fantasy points. That’s hard to do, even from bad QBs.

weather was a factor in both - but even last game when it cleared up he was misfiring like AR. Ive never seen him that bad. Definitely concerning.

 

[Wingnut]

SFdata49ers on X:

Should the #49ers pay Brock Purdy?
I analyzed his EPA/play and compared it to that of other notable QBs through their first 40 games.

Mahomes is an alien at #1 (Upper right corner in chart) However, Purdy ranks 2nd in both EPA/play and the % of negatively graded games (EPA < 0).

Tom Brady (lower left bottom on chart) had a relatively rough start to his career - things didn’t fully come together for him until the end of his third full season.

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That bottom left area is full of quality QBs that werent great in their first few years (Brady, Eli, Stafford, Brees, Allen, Goff, etc)

Purdy in in the same quadrant as Mahomes, Peyton, Lamar, Russ, Big Ben, Rodgers, etc, who came out of the gate playing well.

The 49ers will look at Brocks entire body of work when deciding what to pay him. His numbers when he's down to RB4, missing his all world LT and doesn't have a WR1 isn't gonna cloud their vision, they'll look at the whole forest through the trees.

 

[metoo]

He’s getting paid no real reason to visit this thread until the start of the season. Remember those that thought Lamar wasn't getting paid.
I think you can win with a SB with Purdy. Also, you don't have an option.

All that still to say, not with that HC.

 

[Snotbubbles]

SFdata49ers on X:

Should the #49ers pay Brock Purdy?
I analyzed his EPA/play and compared it to that of other notable QBs through their first 40 games.

Mahomes is an alien at #1 (Upper right corner in chart) However, Purdy ranks 2nd in both EPA/play and the % of negatively graded games (EPA < 0).

Tom Brady (lower left bottom on chart) had a relatively rough start to his career - things didn’t fully come together for him until the end of his third full season.

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That bottom left area is full of quality QBs that werent great in their first few years (Brady, Eli, Stafford, Brees, Allen, Goff, etc)

Purdy in in the same quadrant as Mahomes, Peyton, Lamar, Russ, Big Ben, Rodgers, etc, who came out of the gate playing well.

The 49ers will look at Brocks entire body of work when deciding what to pay him. His numbers when he's down to RB4, missing his all world LT and doesn't have a WR1 isn't gonna cloud their vision, they'll look at the whole forest through the trees.

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

 

[Wingnut]

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

If your takeaway is that he's only good with all world players around him, that's your opinion and thats fine. I think if he just has healthy starters around him, he's fine. It's hard to keep developing timing and chemistry when the pieces are always changing because 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers are forced into starting roles. Play calling has a lot to do with it too.

But we'll see. The point of my previous post is there are people who, because of Purdys last couple of games, think the 49ers suddenly should consider not paying him whatever they think is too much. The past few games are a small sample in his body of work, and the entire team has been out of sorts all season. I'm not worried about next season.

 

[Todem]

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

If your takeaway is that he's only good with all world players around him, that's your opinion and thats fine. I think if he just has healthy starters around him, he's fine. It's hard to keep developing timing and chemistry when the pieces are always changing because 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers are forced into starting roles. Play calling has a lot to do with it too.

But we'll see. The point of my previous post is there are people who, because of Purdys last couple of games, the 49ers suddenly should consider not paying him whatever they think is too much. The past few games are a small sample in his body of work, and the entire team has been out of sorts all season. I'm not worried about next season.

I’ll trade you Tua straight up for him. And you’re gonna tell me to **** off.

Purdy is a damn fine QB. His team was ravaged by injuries this season.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

If your takeaway is that he's only good with all world players around him, that's your opinion and thats fine. I think if he just has healthy starters around him, he's fine. It's hard to keep developing timing and chemistry when the pieces are always changing because 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers are forced into starting roles. Play calling has a lot to do with it too.

But we'll see. The point of my previous post is there are people who, because of Purdys last couple of games, the 49ers suddenly should consider not paying him whatever they think is too much. The past few games are a small sample in his body of work, and the entire team has been out of sorts all season. I'm not worried about next season.

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to elevate not only his game, but the game of those around him. I don't think he's that type of quarterback.

 

[Wingnut]

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to blah blah blah

Well, captain obvious, lucky for 49er fans, they do get to draft new players, sign free agents, and bring along developmental guys, so they don't have to roster the same 53 guys next season.

For a guy who hates the 49ers you sure do spend a lot of time in 49er related threads. I don't get it, but you and your cohorts sure do seem to love it.

 

[thecatch]

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

If your takeaway is that he's only good with all world players around him, that's your opinion and thats fine. I think if he just has healthy starters around him, he's fine. It's hard to keep developing timing and chemistry when the pieces are always changing because 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers are forced into starting roles. Play calling has a lot to do with it too.

But we'll see. The point of my previous post is there are people who, because of Purdys last couple of games, the 49ers suddenly should consider not paying him whatever they think is too much. The past few games are a small sample in his body of work, and the entire team has been out of sorts all season. I'm not worried about next season.

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to elevate not only his game, but the game of those around him. I don't think he's that type of quarterback.

Interesting perspective given how cooked the Eagles were late last year and how they were able to reload with a highly paid QB who isn't any better.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

If your takeaway is that he's only good with all world players around him, that's your opinion and thats fine. I think if he just has healthy starters around him, he's fine. It's hard to keep developing timing and chemistry when the pieces are always changing because 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers are forced into starting roles. Play calling has a lot to do with it too.

But we'll see. The point of my previous post is there are people who, because of Purdys last couple of games, the 49ers suddenly should consider not paying him whatever they think is too much. The past few games are a small sample in his body of work, and the entire team has been out of sorts all season. I'm not worried about next season.

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to elevate not only his game, but the game of those around him. I don't think he's that type of quarterback.

Interesting perspective given how cooked the Eagles were late last year and how they were able to reload with a highly paid QB who isn't any better.

The Eagles weren't cooked, they made the playoffs. But the Eagles issues stemmed from their inexperienced coordinators, totally different than the 49ers stars just getting old and hurt.

 

[thecatch]

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

If your takeaway is that he's only good with all world players around him, that's your opinion and thats fine. I think if he just has healthy starters around him, he's fine. It's hard to keep developing timing and chemistry when the pieces are always changing because 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers are forced into starting roles. Play calling has a lot to do with it too.

But we'll see. The point of my previous post is there are people who, because of Purdys last couple of games, the 49ers suddenly should consider not paying him whatever they think is too much. The past few games are a small sample in his body of work, and the entire team has been out of sorts all season. I'm not worried about next season.

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to elevate not only his game, but the game of those around him. I don't think he's that type of quarterback.

Interesting perspective given how cooked the Eagles were late last year and how they were able to reload with a highly paid QB who isn't any better.

The Eagles weren't cooked, they made the playoffs. But the Eagles issues stemmed from their inexperienced coordinators, totally different than the 49ers stars just getting old and hurt.

They looked pretty cooked.

 

[Snotbubbles]

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to blah blah blah

Well, captain obvious, lucky for 49er fans, they do get to draft new players, sign free agents, and bring along developmental guys, so they don't have to roster the same 53 guys next season.

For a guy who hates the 49ers you sure do spend a lot of time in 49er related threads. I don't get it, but you and your cohorts sure do seem to love it.

I see people post this all the time, this is a football message board where people discuss, well . . . football. If you want to live in your echo chamber where everyone sings kumbaya and tells you how great your team and players are you aren't going to find it here. This is a board with fans from different teams.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The situation in SF is only going to get worse. Williams and Kittle are old, CMC is breaking/broken down, Aiyuk looked mediocre after getting his payday, Deebo looks washed. If the take away is that Purdy is an all-world QB when he has all-world players around him, ok, chances are you're not going to be replacing Williams, Kittle, CMC, etc. with like players in the draft.

If your takeaway is that he's only good with all world players around him, that's your opinion and thats fine. I think if he just has healthy starters around him, he's fine. It's hard to keep developing timing and chemistry when the pieces are always changing because 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers are forced into starting roles. Play calling has a lot to do with it too.

But we'll see. The point of my previous post is there are people who, because of Purdys last couple of games, the 49ers suddenly should consider not paying him whatever they think is too much. The past few games are a small sample in his body of work, and the entire team has been out of sorts all season. I'm not worried about next season.

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to elevate not only his game, but the game of those around him. I don't think he's that type of quarterback.

Interesting perspective given how cooked the Eagles were late last year and how they were able to reload with a highly paid QB who isn't any better.

The Eagles weren't cooked, they made the playoffs. But the Eagles issues stemmed from their inexperienced coordinators, totally different than the 49ers stars just getting old and hurt.

They looked pretty cooked.

That tends to happen when you change coordinators mid-season.

 

[JoeJoe88]

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to blah blah blah

Well, captain obvious, lucky for 49er fans, they do get to draft new players, sign free agents, and bring along developmental guys, so they don't have to roster the same 53 guys next season.

For a guy who hates the 49ers you sure do spend a lot of time in 49er related threads. I don't get it, but you and your cohorts sure do seem to love it.

I see people post this all the time, this is a football message board where people discuss, well . . . football. If you want to live in your echo chamber where everyone sings kumbaya and tells you how great your team and players are you aren't going to find it here. This is a board with fans from different teams.

This is very true, and you are correct. But what is also true is you possess a very obvious hatred and bias towards SF, and it quite honestly destroys a lot of your credibility when you make posts concerning them.

Signed,

A Titans fan

 

[Snotbubbles]

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to blah blah blah

Well, captain obvious, lucky for 49er fans, they do get to draft new players, sign free agents, and bring along developmental guys, so they don't have to roster the same 53 guys next season.

For a guy who hates the 49ers you sure do spend a lot of time in 49er related threads. I don't get it, but you and your cohorts sure do seem to love it.

I see people post this all the time, this is a football message board where people discuss, well . . . football. If you want to live in your echo chamber where everyone sings kumbaya and tells you how great your team and players are you aren't going to find it here. This is a board with fans from different teams.

This is very true, and you are correct. But what is also true is you possess a very obvious hatred and bias towards SF, and it quite honestly destroys a lot of your credibility when you make posts concerning them.

Signed,

A Titans fan

If this isn't an ad hominem.

 

[JohnnyU]

My point is, the 2022 and 2023 San Francisco 49ers aren't walking through the door in 2025. Even if, by some miracle, the guys could beat father time and have a renaissance, it's more of a "last hurrah" than it is a "sign of things to come." Purdy is going to have to blah blah blah

Well, captain obvious, lucky for 49er fans, they do get to draft new players, sign free agents, and bring along developmental guys, so they don't have to roster the same 53 guys next season.

For a guy who hates the 49ers you sure do spend a lot of time in 49er related threads. I don't get it, but you and your cohorts sure do seem to love it.

I see people post this all the time, this is a football message board where people discuss, well . . . football. If you want to live in your echo chamber where everyone sings kumbaya and tells you how great your team and players are you aren't going to find it here. This is a board with fans from different teams.

This is very true, and you are correct. But what is also true is you possess a very obvious hatred and bias towards SF, and it quite honestly destroys a lot of your credibility when you make posts concerning them.

Signed,

A Titans fan

They should check out the price of a Motel 6. I hear it is the cheapest around.

 

[Faust]

Lynch remains confident in Purdy despite 49ers' rocky season

Shanahan dismisses Purdy's recent self-critique about competitiveness

 

[drummer]

They have to stay committed to him since there isn't any other QB behind him or ahead of him. Purdy is small, doesn't have the arm strength, is injury prone, and was really a product of CMC. This has been all proven out this season. If the 49ers decide to pay him above market rate, that only shows that the 49ers are desperate for a QB like they had been for years. Sure they can gurantee Purdy five years at 55 mil a season, but that's not going to happen. Even if they do, he's going to be in IR by week 9 of next season. 49er QB's don't last under Kyle Shanahan. They are disposable QB's and the best thing under Kyle Shanahan is keep drafting serviceable QB's who can run his offense like Purdy when you have generational talent like CMC or Kittle around him. Sure they can pay Purdy "Generation Talent" money. But Purdy is not generational talent.

 

[Wingnut]

Purdy...is injury prone, Even if they do [sign him] he's going to be in IR by week 9 of next season

Not sure where this comes from. Brock has only missed one game in his career due to injury (week 12 this season) other than last years NFC Championship game.

But the market is what it is, and the going rate is gonna be 50+ mil a year. Not much they can do but pay him unless they wanna gamble on a QB, which I don't think they do.

 

[drummer]

Purdy...is injury prone, Even if they do [sign him] he's going to be in IR by week 9 of next season

Not sure where this comes from. Brock has only missed one game in his career due to injury (week 12 this season) other than last years NFC Championship game.

But the market is what it is, and the going rate is gonna be 50+ mil a year. Not much they can do but pay him unless they wanna gamble on a QB, which I don't think they do.

He has his arm cooked in a playoff game, he was concussed last season, and his shoulder and arm is cooked to where he's either hurt, or he just can't drive the ball with any velocity. He is throwing dead birds on easy throws, DC's have figured him out just as a QB alone without everything around him. and the RZ and scoring has proven it this season. And it's not a regression of Purdy. He's playing at the mean of the talent around him. You'd have to be smoking Lombardi on foil to not see it. The Opiod of the then Garoppolo masses, who dumbs down QB for 49er fans because you really need to dumb down football for them.

 

[Wingnut]

Talk about cooked.