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QB Caleb Williams, CHI (3 Viewers)
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bluemanfoo
Footballguy
As a Lions homer, even bigger for me is Chicago won't be running the ball behind Penei Sewell. Frank Ragnow, and Taylor Decker. And Goff is the polar opposite of Willams. Goff is not mobile. He relies on checking to the right play, making the right read, getting the ball out on time, and making a decisive/accurate throw. Goff beats your with his mind, which is not Williams' game at all. I'm not saying Ben Johnson can't build a great offense, but it will have to be different, because the QBs are totally different.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Ben Johnson picked Caleb and the Bears over all the other offers out there. Caleb not being able to do what Goff is doing, that seems really low on my list of concerns. I am Bears fan however, so the goggles could be blinding me.
bluemanfoo
Footballguy
I'm fully aware Ben Johnson chose the Bears because of Caleb, and have been intrigued about how the offense will be built around a QB that is so different from Goff. Ben Johnson's offense is 100% predicated on outsmarting the defense. Get the defense keying on the run, and then hit them deep with play action. Get the defense going right and then hit the tight end or Jameson Wiliiams on the left. And Goff's game was perfect for this mental chess match. Williams was a rookie playing behind a terrible offensive line, but he didn't show the propensity to read defenses nor get the ball out on time. He either has to greatly improve in that regard, or Ben Johnson has to run a different offense.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
That would be a franchise record for Bears passing yards -- kind of hard to believe they have never had a 4,000 yard season.
darksideofoz
Footballguy
It's very easy to believe because perpetually, The Bears still suck.
Max Power
Footballguy
Early news out of camp is that Caleb didn't look his best on day 1. The speculation is that he is trying to impress Ben Johnson with what he can do, but not doing what he should be doing with the ball. Hopefully it's just growing pains, but the theme seems consistent with what Caleb does. He still had plenty of great throws, so nothing to worry about yet.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Honestly, we're going to know either way about him this year. They did this offseason what they should have done last year: build the offensive line and go from there. He has no excuses, all the pieces are there.
What we're hearing out of camp is exactly what I saw last year: he's having problems making the 'easy' throws. Even when he wasn’t pressured, he was terrible completing even a 7 yard slant across the middle.
warpig33
Footballguy
Are you talking about Caleb Williams or Anthony Richardson?
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I've already closed the book on Richardson.Are you talking about Caleb Williams or Anthony Richardson?
I'm willing to chalk up last year for Caleb as him getting happy feet because he was getting murdered by that terrible o-line. That shouldn't be a problem this year.
Scoresman
Footballguy
I've already closed the book on Richardson.Are you talking about Caleb Williams or Anthony Richardson?
I'm willing to chalk up last year for Caleb as him getting happy feet because he was getting murdered by that terrible o-line. That shouldn't be a problem this year.
He had problems with deep balls even when he had time in the pocket. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little concerned by that, not by one day of training camp though.
4WhomJBellTolls
Footballguy
Caleb developed some bad habits that final year at USC and the Bears didn’t have the coaching to fix that last year.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Caleb has a ton of talent. There is a lot of pressure being drafted number one overall to a franchise historically starving for a decent passing quarterback. I imagine the urge to make things happen is great and maybe that impacted his play. He was left for dead with the coaching staff he was born into. Whether he can overcome these things, I have no idea. You kind of have to be a little of a nut job to be great at this position these days. Living/breathing football, shutting out the noise, being able to take criticism to heart, bouncing back from adversity, etc. I do not know if he has that in him or not. I think Ben Johnson has a tougher challenge than what it appears on paper. A lot of it will boil down to Caleb’s mental makeup imo.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Just got done watching the LOTR trilogy again and this thread reminds me of the scene in Return of the King where the battle for Minas Tirith has barely begun and Lord Denethor, in the midst of his meltdown, screams out "Abandon your posts! Flee! Flee for your lives!" and then Gandalf cold cocks him in his face with his staff.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Will Caleb Williams break the Bears single season passing yards record this year? Or in 2026?
Erik Kramer - 3838 yards in 1995. 30 year old "record"
What is the line? What does Vegas have Williams at for 2025? Looks like +/-3550.5 and as always that seems super reasonable. I wonder what odds I'd get if I said I think he gets to 4000? Seems doable.
Erik Kramer - 3838 yards in 1995. 30 year old "record"
What is the line? What does Vegas have Williams at for 2025? Looks like +/-3550.5 and as always that seems super reasonable. I wonder what odds I'd get if I said I think he gets to 4000? Seems doable.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
It certainly should be a reasonable goal with the weapons in place. They added oline help as well (finally). However, you still have a rookie QB who is now on his third OC in less than two years. Cohesion, rookie skill players, young QB, all new coaching staff and expectations, etc. I am not burying Caleb as his play in college was at times mesmerizing. I trust Ben will provide the relationship and guidance needed to at least guide him on what to watch with film and instruct him accordingly (apparently not done with the last staff). I don’t say this in a negative way, but Caleb seems like a tough read. I am not sure what he brings mentally (if negative, that can change and progress as well). There was a clip I recently watched deep throws not under pressure (wish I could remember where I saw, heck…might be in this thread) and he missed a lot of opportunities. Bad coaching, too much pressure…who knows. He has a truck full of talent, it will be interesting to see how he responds to a better structure (which I am confident Ben will provide).
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Faust
MVP
@JAYChi_Bears
Albert Breer thinks that Ben Johnson & The Bears are overloading Caleb Williams at the moment
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I’ll bury Caleb. To my untrained eye, he just doesn’t have “it”. And I don’t think he ever will. He’s firmly on my ‘do not draft’ list.
Another in a long line of USC QBs who don’t pan out in the NFL.
Another in a long line of USC QBs who don’t pan out in the NFL.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
I watched a sequence that talked about Ben & Co intentionally overloading Caleb to find his breaking point. Apparently they are in the process of paring down the playbook to get to a point where he's comfortable. Seems like an interesting concept, but I trust in Ben right now.@JAYChi_Bears
Albert Breer thinks that Ben Johnson & The Bears are overloading Caleb Williams at the moment
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I get the feeling that how poorly coached he was last year that Caleb is almost a rookie again this year. He has the talent, but there will be another large learning curve this year in a new offense and being actually coached this year.I watched a sequence that talked about Ben & Co intentionally overloading Caleb to find his breaking point. Apparently they are in the process of paring down the playbook to get to a point where he's comfortable. Seems like an interesting concept, but I trust in Ben right now.@JAYChi_Bears
Albert Breer thinks that Ben Johnson & The Bears are overloading Caleb Williams at the moment
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
For sure. There will be some growing pains this season along with breaking some poor habits started last season and installing a fresh offense. I do expect a 4000 yard season from Caleb, however.I get the feeling that how poorly coached he was last year that Caleb is almost a rookie again this year. He has the talent, but there will be another large learning curve this year in a new offense and being actually coached this year.I watched a sequence that talked about Ben & Co intentionally overloading Caleb to find his breaking point. Apparently they are in the process of paring down the playbook to get to a point where he's comfortable. Seems like an interesting concept, but I trust in Ben right now.@JAYChi_Bears
Albert Breer thinks that Ben Johnson & The Bears are overloading Caleb Williams at the moment
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am starting to worry he's got more Johnny Manziel than he does Patrick Mahomes. His college tape is unreal. The plays he made were repeatedly some of the most jaw dropping stuff I've seen. However, I am still not sure I ever saw him really just run an offense consistently. How that plays out over his NFL career, I don't know.
Chaka
Footballguy
Most people considered Jared Goff to be a broken, stop-gap QB who couldn't handle pressure up the middle when he showed up in Detroit as what was widely viewed as a throw in salary cap piece in the Stafford trade. Then I keep thinking about how the Lions opened 1-6 in Ben Johnson's first season as OC, before finishing with an 8-2 run. That was a remarkable bit of coaching by Johnson and team management by Dan Campbell.
Dan Campbell isn't there to be a North Star for everyone to focus on; I wonder how Ben, Caleb, the team and fans will respond if the Bears open 1-6 this season.
Dan Campbell isn't there to be a North Star for everyone to focus on; I wonder how Ben, Caleb, the team and fans will respond if the Bears open 1-6 this season.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. The Bears start off Chiefs, Vikings, Lions, then Cowboys, Raiders, Commanders. 2-4 is not unlikely and and 1-5 would not be out of the realm of possibility either.
