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QB Cam Newton, Retired (1 Viewer)

Still riding Cam, but sucks knowing that I could have played basically any other starting QB in the NFL and won my fantasy match ups this week.

 
I know panther fans don't want to hear it but Newton misses Smith. I was so happy last night that Smith wasn't around to dig Carolina out the fire like he has so many times before. It was a big mistake to get rid of him. Thrilled they did.

I know Cam owners are less enthralled.

 
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Frustrating as a fantasy player. He's either really good or really bad, and I would have thought we would see the "really good" version last night at home vs the Saints.

 
I usually watch The Red Zone so with some teams you only see the good or bad plays. Watching Newton last night for an entire game was tough. He was staring down his receivers,throwing off his back foot a lot and generally making poor decisions in the passing game. I don't blame him entirely though as I thought The Panthers play calling was very poor,they seemed to want to force the ball to receivers in spite of success running the ball,especially with Stewart,he had a few big chunk runs but they went away from him in the second half. I think he could have kept the defense more honest if they used him more and took some pressure off the passing game.

 
I never really realized how bad he really is till last night. How many times did he throw a ball over a receivers head? You would think he could adjust and this could be easily fixed. He just seemed clueless out there the whole game and kept making the same mistake over and over again. I kept thinking to myself, this is the same guy that started his NFL career with back to back 400 yard games?

 
LittlePhatty said:
Frustrating as a fantasy player. He's either really good or really bad, and I would have thought we would see the "really good" version last night at home vs the Saints.
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Statistically the worst game of his career (lowest QBR, completion percentage, completions, etc) and he still put up 12+ points (more if your league doesn't account for turnovers). While last night was frustrating, it also showed why he's a great fantasy QB because of his legs. Now that he is fully healed, he will run it close to 10 times/game going forward. And if his passing game improves at all (which it obviously will), he will be a viable starter every week with the potential for those 40 point games. Hard to sit the guy even after last nights embarrassment. IMO

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I know panther fans don't want to hear it but Newton misses Smith. I was so happy last night that Smith wasn't around to dig Carolina out the fire like he has so many times before. It was a big mistake to get rid of him. Thrilled they did.

I know Cam owners are less enthralled.
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Smith's really not going to address any of the issues with this team :shrug: The offensive line is made of undrafted FAs, now three of them are out, so they have undrafted rookie FAs. The offensive coordinator has issues (though he was remarkably better last night compared to last week) and the QB is scrambling all over the place trying not to get killed. Factor in the accuracy problems when Cam IS protected and I'm not sure how Smith is a significant help to this team, this year.

 
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mikel0254 said:
Statistically the worst game of his career (lowest QBR, completion percentage, completions, etc) and he still put up 12+ points (more if your league doesn't account for turnovers)....Hard to sit the guy even after last nights embarrassment. IMO
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Fantasy-wise, he was even worse the week before.

My comment still stands. He's a frustrating fantasy player because he'll either give you 10 points or 40. I say this as a fan and owner in dynasty.

 
Now that he's in his 4th year, it getting safer to say that he's a great athlete/runner, but may never be a good enough pocket thrower to get his team to the next level. From a fantasy standpoint, he'll mostly have to do it with his legs to have a lot of value.

 
zamboni said:
Now that he's in his 4th year, it getting safer to say that he's a great athlete/runner, but may never be a good enough pocket thrower to get his team to the next level. From a fantasy standpoint, he'll mostly have to do it with his legs to have a lot of value.
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He's turning into a Vick basically.

 
The Commish said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I know panther fans don't want to hear it but Newton misses Smith. I was so happy last night that Smith wasn't around to dig Carolina out the fire like he has so many times before. It was a big mistake to get rid of him. Thrilled they did.

I know Cam owners are less enthralled.
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Smith's really not going to address any of the issues with this team :shrug: The offensive line is made of undrafted FAs, now three of them are out, so they have undrafted rookie FAs. The offensive coordinator has issues (though he was remarkably better last night compared to last week) and the QB is scrambling all over the place trying not to get killed. Factor in the accuracy problems when Cam IS protected and I'm not sure how Smith is a significant help to this team, this year.
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Smith was a significant factor because I saw it with my own two eyes. Cam would throw the ball up and Steve Smith would go get it, period. Yeah the WR corps is next to nothing after KB but the Panthers have lacked in that area for years. And the oline may stink but again I have seen Cam under a mad rush just chuck it up to SS.

Smith basically helped coach Cam up when he first came into the league, he had big games in that first rookie year with Cam and he was his security blanket. Panther fans are loathe to admit it but it's true, it was a mistake to let him go (salary issues aside because I know Carolina has been in a hole there...). I was so happy knowing Steve wouldn't be coming out of the woodwork with some late 4th quarter snag to revive his team with his play and attitude. The man is a warrior.

 
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Cam is not an accurate passer. He also doesn't have much touch; actually no touch.

Bad combination when you play QB. From what I've seen this year I would bench him. I really mean that.

D. Anderson has looked way better IMO, even if it has been mop up duty.

Take those legs away & he wouldn't even hold a clipboard. I'm a frustrated owner, but he has shown me nothing this year.

 
irishidiot said:
Cam is not an accurate passer. He also doesn't have much touch; actually no touch.

Bad combination when you play QB. From what I've seen this year I would bench him. I really mean that.

D. Anderson has looked way better IMO, even if it has been mop up duty.

Take those legs away & he wouldn't even hold a clipboard. I'm a frustrated owner, but he has shown me nothing this year.
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This is the summary on Cam right now IMO. He needs Techmo-Bowl-like passing lanes to have any shot at completions. Otherwise he's throwing these side arm zippers that probably have a little knuckle ball action to them. He needs some serious work on quarterbacking skills.

And I agree, if he loses a step (or teams simply play disciplined containment) he's done in the NFL.

 
I have no choice but to keep starting him in my two-QB league. I just have to hope he has enough big games left and the rest of roster picks him up during the bad weeks.

 
BlueBlazer05 said:
I have no choice but to keep starting him in my two-QB league. I just have to hope he has enough big games left and the rest of roster picks him up during the bad weeks.
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I think he's fine for FANTASY football purposes. His desire to play Superman for the cameras will always push him to call his own number in scoring position, so in leagues where higher points are awarded for TD's scored (vs passing TD) he's good to go. Quite honestly, if it comes down to him attempting passes in the red zone, Carolina's chances of scoring are better with him running.

For real football purposes I wouldn't go clearing a spot in the trophy case for a Lombardi anytime soon.

 
pantherclub said:
James Daulton said:
Are they really going to pay this guy huge money?
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whats the other option? Let him walk?
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Dizzy said:
BlueBlazer05 said:
I have no choice but to keep starting him in my two-QB league. I just have to hope he has enough big games left and the rest of roster picks him up during the bad weeks.
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I think he's fine for FANTASY football purposes. His desire to play Superman for the cameras will always push him to call his own number in scoring position, so in leagues where higher points are awarded for TD's scored (vs passing TD) he's good to go. Quite honestly, if it comes down to him attempting passes in the red zone, Carolina's chances of scoring are better with him running.

For real football purposes I wouldn't go clearing a spot in the trophy case for a Lombardi anytime soon.
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:goodposting:

Of course, if Cutler got paid, I guess you have to pay Cam. I'd rather start over.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The Commish said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I know panther fans don't want to hear it but Newton misses Smith. I was so happy last night that Smith wasn't around to dig Carolina out the fire like he has so many times before. It was a big mistake to get rid of him. Thrilled they did.

I know Cam owners are less enthralled.
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Smith's really not going to address any of the issues with this team :shrug: The offensive line is made of undrafted FAs, now three of them are out, so they have undrafted rookie FAs. The offensive coordinator has issues (though he was remarkably better last night compared to last week) and the QB is scrambling all over the place trying not to get killed. Factor in the accuracy problems when Cam IS protected and I'm not sure how Smith is a significant help to this team, this year.
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Smith was a significant factor because I saw it with my own two eyes. Cam would throw the ball up and Steve Smith would go get it, period. Yeah the WR corps is next to nothing after KB but the Panthers have lacked in that area for years. And the oline may stink but again I have seen Cam under a mad rush just chuck it up to SS.

Smith basically helped coach Cam up when he first came into the league, he had big games in that first rookie year with Cam and he was his security blanket. Panther fans are loathe to admit it but it's true, it was a mistake to let him go (salary issues aside because I know Carolina has been in a hole there...). I was so happy knowing Steve wouldn't be coming out of the woodwork with some late 4th quarter snag to revive his team with his play and attitude. The man is a warrior.
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This was a couple of years ago. Cam's regressed. I can assure you that if Cam is throwing the ball where Benjiman at 6-5 can't get it, Smith's not going to be able to get it. I don't disagree that Smith could help this team, but it's not going to be in the way you believe. I didn't like the way it went down with Smith leaving. I didn't want to see him go, but him on this team isn't going to fix the o-line issues, Cam's accuracy issues, the offensive play calling, or lack of production from the RBs...he's just not. :shrug: Smith was a shell of himself in the Shula system and that was with better situations on the o-line and rb positions. Balt is using him exactly as he should be used. Shula didn't use him that way.

 
Their current O-Line is probably one of the worst to ever start an NFL game. It's beyond awful.

Cam is making some bad throws but he's rushing everything. he's used to getting drilled within seconds behind the worst o-line in NFL history.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Their current O-Line is probably one of the worst to ever start an NFL game. It's beyond awful.

Cam is making some bad throws but he's rushing everything. he's used to getting drilled within seconds behind the worst o-line in NFL history.
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When do their starters return on the OL?

 
mikel0254 said:
ILUVBEER99 said:
Their current O-Line is probably one of the worst to ever start an NFL game. It's beyond awful.

Cam is making some bad throws but he's rushing everything. he's used to getting drilled within seconds behind the worst o-line in NFL history.
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When do their starters return on the OL?
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Doesn't matter....they went from undrafted free agents (except Kalil) to undrafted rookie free agents after injury....when the others come back, it's not going to be much of an improvement. DG went "cheap" on the oline in the off season and it's come back to bite him in the ###.

 
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mikel0254 said:
ILUVBEER99 said:
Their current O-Line is probably one of the worst to ever start an NFL game. It's beyond awful.

Cam is making some bad throws but he's rushing everything. he's used to getting drilled within seconds behind the worst o-line in NFL history.
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When do their starters return on the OL?
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They should all return soon, none of them are seriously hurt. Last night Carolina was playing a couple undrafted rookies and a retread journeyman vet. Having their LT out (who just moved there this season and doesn't really fit) and both Guards out would be a killer for any teams line, especially for Carolina who has no depth on the o-line.

Even when they are healthy Carolina has a weak patchwork line. The Jordan Gross retirement destroyed it.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Their current O-Line is probably one of the worst to ever start an NFL game. It's beyond awful.

Cam is making some bad throws but he's rushing everything. he's used to getting drilled within seconds behind the worst o-line in NFL history.
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Not even close. The Falcons own that distinction. 4 starters gone for the year. Street FA's starting for them. If the Panthers OL was that bad, they would have had these guys that the Falcons signed off the street, already starting for them.

 
tombonneau said:
lod01 said:
pantherclub said:
James Daulton said:
Are they really going to pay this guy huge money?
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whats the other option? Let him walk?
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That would be the smart move. The goal is to win Super Bowls. No team will win a Super Bowl with this guy.
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Really? Put him on Chicago and I think that team is cruising to a division title.
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Funny because I heard many times that you don't trade a QB like Cutler, now he's holding Chicago back.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
He declined somewhat when Chud left, and he's declined even more without Steve Smith.
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Smiff sucked last year. His issues this year probably stem most from his offseason injuries. Domino effect. The line is not good, but the line was not good last year too. This is not a new thing.
 
I can get this guy and Jonas Gray for Kelce and Matt Ryan. Cam becomes my starter and I have Vereen insurance. Worth doing?

 
Have a chance to move this guy for a decent haul of underachievers. Is the schedule likely to get his arrow pointing upwards? I know he's not as bad as he's looked recently, but that team seems to be reeling. Like bad.

 
what's up with the left side of his line? if i recall from Thursday he had 2 undrafted rookies playing LT and LG? if teams can get pressure on him rushing 4 like the saints did its going to be impossible for him to produce big fantasy games against 7 in coverage... especially given cam's trouble with accuracy as of late

 
iamkoza said:
what's up with the left side of his line? if i recall from Thursday he had 2 undrafted rookies playing LT and LG? if teams can get pressure on him rushing 4 like the saints did its going to be impossible for him to produce big fantasy games against 7 in coverage... especially given cam's trouble with accuracy as of late
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Pretty simple....the GM took a gamble and went really cheap on the O-line (depending on who you listen to, Gross was asked to "retire") and signed Hardy to a franchise tag. Obviously, it blew up in their faces. So now, the o-line is all undrafted free agents (minus Kalil) or guys who were at one time defenders and their backups are undrafted free agents...some of them rookies. The drafted rookie is hurt as well as the third year guy. Train wrecks are plentiful here in CLT.

 
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