QB Cam Newton, Retired (2 Viewers)

[Faust]

Panthers coach Ron Rivera confirmed Cam Newton (foot) will remain the team's starter when healthy.

Kyle Allen was phenomenal in Cam's absence Sunday at Arizona (19-for-26, 261 yards, four touchdowns), but it's laughable Rivera would even acknowledge the possibility of an undrafted 23-year-old overtaking a former league MVP and arguably the most productive player in franchise history. There's optimism Newton, who aggravated a foot injury in Week 2, will resume practicing Wednesday.

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SOURCE: Joe Person on Twitter

Sep 23, 2019, 9:37 AM ET

 

[Faust]

Cam Newton (foot) is out for Week 4 against the Texans.

The early rule-out comes a day after NFL Network's Ian Rapoport labeled Newton "day to day" while hinting he could resume practicing as soon as Wednesday. Perhaps Kyle Allen's dominant display against the Cardinals on Sunday has lessened the team's sense of urgency in regards to Newton's recovery. "What Cam needs right now is time and rest for his foot," explained coach Ron Rivera. "We want him at 100 percent when he’s ready, so there’s no exact timetable for his return." Assuming his Week 3 wasn't a mirage, Allen should be in for another productive outing Sunday against a Houston defense that has already allowed a pair of 300-yard passing games this year.

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SOURCE: panthers.com

Sep 23, 2019, 11:47 AM ET

 

[pantherclub]

2 insiders on catscratchreader are stating Cam has the dreaded lisfranc injury.  Welp time to really shut him down and see what Allen can bring for 13 games.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Athletic's Joseph Person reports Cam Newton (foot) is dealing with a Lisfranc injury.

Although his timetable is unclear, multiple sources told Person that surgery isn't planned for Newton at this time; the fact it's even been mentioned is concerning. A non-surgical approach to recovery from Lisfranc normally takes 4-8 weeks to heal. If the Panthers choose to keep Newton out beyond their Week 7 bye, he'll be sidelined for the next three games with potential to return in late-October (at best). At this point, it would not be shocking to see him shutdown for the second consecutive season. Kyle Allen will continue to start in his absence.

SOURCE: Joseph Person on Twitter

Sep 24, 2019, 9:57 AM ET

 

[Skoo]

I seem to have an irrational fear of dropping Cam.

I guess it's the name and his history. Just don't like the idea of him coming back strong on someone else's team, but this lisfranc stuff may make my decision for me. Onward and upward.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Is this a season ender?

 

[biju]

Is this a season ender?

I'm pondering the same thing.  The reality is the Panthers are 1-2 and if they lose 5 or 6 over the next 8 weeks I find it likely they just shut him down for the year.  Cam's contract is through 2020 so I also wonder if they just look to see what they have in Allen and potentially even Grier.

In redraft I don't see how he's rosterable.  In dynasty he's a hold.

 

[BassNBrew]

Please stop posting anything from Rapport. He’s wrong more often than right

 

[Smack Tripper]

Please stop posting anything from Rapport. He’s wrong more often than right

Faust does great work and does it overtime style, so if you don’t like rap don’t read the post or better yet contribute something better than criticism 

 

[lod001]

This team needs to finally move on and find a QB.

 

[BassNBrew]

Faust does great work and does it overtime style, so if you don’t like rap don’t read the post or better yet contribute something better than criticism 

I’m pointing out that Rapport has been posting mostly crap and people relying on his info could be at a major disadvantage. I don’t want to see any one here burned by bad info

 

[Smack Tripper]

I’m pointing out that Rapport has been posting mostly crap and people relying on his info could be at a major disadvantage. I don’t want to see any one here burned by bad info

Well point this out and don’t tell him to stop posting.  The whole situation seems fairly fluid, I don’t think rapp is reporting facetious content, he probably reporting what he heard 

 

[Absolutely Nothing]

I'm pondering the same thing.  The reality is the Panthers are 1-2 and if they lose 5 or 6 over the next 8 weeks I find it likely they just shut him down for the year.  Cam's contract is through 2020 so I also wonder if they just look to see what they have in Allen and potentially even Grier.

In redraft I don't see how he's rosterable.  In dynasty he's a hold.

In redraft he's been droppable since Week 2- he doesn't look good on a team with a pretty bad offense and none of the ability that made him valuable when he was good. If he has a linsfranc injury, he's droppable in 100% of leagues, probably won't play another snap this season in favor of getting shut down to recover, and honestly his dynasty value would be in question with his future on the Panthers in question.

Maybe I'm bitter because Cam burned me a little. Maybe I feel bad for the guy, who looks like he doesn't want to be playing. But I don't see a scenario where Cam Newton is a benefit to your team. 

 

[Jacksonke1]

Cam is a such a turn off .......like he is more worried about being a fashion diva than working on his craft

Then he gets all bent at reporters for doing their job

 

[Don Hutson]

Is this a season ender?

Lis Franc doesn't believe in one-night stands.  She never wanted to be your weekend lover.  She's a long-term relationship kind of lady.

 

[Slapdash]

Video Of Cam Newton On A Scooter In Uptown Gets People Fired Up On Twitter

 

[Chaka]

I seem to have an irrational fear of dropping Cam.

I guess it's the name and his history. Just don't like the idea of him coming back strong on someone else's team, but this lisfranc stuff may make my decision for me. Onward and upward.

Me too but I'm dropping without question on this rumor. I'm even in a super-flex and not questioning dropping him. Even if he comes back how effective will his mobility be? I never counted on scrambling for 600 yards when drafting him but I was thinking 5-8 QB sneak TDs. I highly doubtful he's going to get those opportunities when (if) he comes back.

I'm riding Brisett, Dalton and Rudolph at QB and going for a lottery pick RB in Cam's spot.

 

[GoBirds]

I’m pointing out that Rapport has been posting mostly crap and people relying on his info could be at a major disadvantage. I don’t want to see any one here burned by bad info

What are we thinking, any chance it's not lisfranc and he can comeback in a few weeks or time to cut bait immediately?

 

[Mr. Landry]

I'm dropping him.  Granted I've got him behind Brady, but I'm shooting for Jones or Brissett.   He's been a disaster this season and he just doesn't look right.  

With that said, and knowing my luck, everyone should hold because he'll be a top 5 QB the rest of the year.

 

[biju]

Dropped in redraft.  Holding in dynasty hoping he goes on IR so I don't have to hold that spot all year.

 

[Faust]

David Carr on Cam Newton:

Offensive player rankings, Week 4: Six quarterbacks in top 15

 

[Faust]

Cam Newton confirms he could miss extended time in YouTube vlog: 'I've got to get right'

Cam Newton of Carolina Panthers says he hid extent of foot injury, won't rush back now

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Cam Newton confirms he could miss extended time in YouTube vlog: 'I've got to get right'

Cam Newton of Carolina Panthers says he hid extent of foot injury, won't rush back now

That YouTube video is bizarre.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

That YouTube video is bizarre.

Why?  He was being honest about the situation.  Better than players who basically just read a script. 

 

[Joe Summer]

The video is bizarre because Cam is bizarre.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Why?  He was being honest about the situation.  Better than players who basically just read a script. 

It's weird because he's sitting in the dark with sunglasses, a scarf around his neck, and he's holding a cigar and glass of wine. Just f'n bizarre.

 

[pantherclub]

The video is bizarre because Cam is bizarre.

cte

 

[Chaka]

Lighten up, it's funny.

 

[Faust]

Cam Newton arrived to practice without a walking boot on Tuesday.

With the Panthers hitting their bye after Sunday's trip to London, it's foreseeable Cam returns in Week 8 against San Francisco's daunting pass rush. It's still a hopeful outlook as the team has survived behind Christian McCaffrey's MVP-like 23.3/140.7/1.3 rushing and 6.3/60.7 receiving in three consecutive wins with Kyle Allen under center. Newton will presumably be back to 100 percent by the time he returns.

SOURCE: Joseph Person on Twitter

Oct 8, 2019, 11:17 AM ET

 

[Faust]

Cam Newton (foot) has been ruled out for Week 6 against the Bucs.

Newton will not accompany the Panthers on their trip to London. Newton recently shed his walking boot. With the Panthers going on bye for Week 7, there's a decent chance Newton finally returns for Week 8 vs. the 49ers. Despite some absurd early internet chatter that the Panthers' offense might be better off with Kyle Allen than Newton, that has quickly, predictably proven not to be the case.

SOURCE: Brendan Marks on Twitter

Oct 8, 2019, 2:09 PM ET

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

The Panthers will stick with Kyle Allen after he goes 4-0, right? Cam is not very good. 

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Cam Newton (foot) has been ruled out for Week 6 against the Bucs.

Newton will not accompany the Panthers on their trip to London. Newton recently shed his walking boot. With the Panthers going on bye for Week 7, there's a decent chance Newton finally returns for Week 8 vs. the 49ers. Despite some absurd early internet chatter that the Panthers' offense might be better off with Kyle Allen than Newton, that has quickly, predictably proven not to be the case.

 Rotoworld thumping their chest. How FN bizarre. They seem to be misremembering how bad Cam was. Seem to be misremembering they're 0-8 in Cam's last 8 starts (9-10 TD/INT with same fumbling issues). Misremembering they've won all 4 starts in Kyle Allen's career over that same span to present day. Misremembering Cam had 4 TO's and 0 TD's in 2 home starts this year. Misremembering TB's secondary is an abomination where Cam looked helpless.

 

[Deamon]

they're 0-8 in Cam's last 8 starts.  they've won all 4 starts in Kyle Allen's career.

That's crazy, didn't know that.

 

[travdogg]

The Panthers will stick with Kyle Allen after he goes 4-0, right? Cam is not very good. 

I'd be surprised. It'd be one thing if Allen was playing well, but they are very much winning in spite of him, not because of him. Newton wasn't playing well, and I'm aware he's lost 8 straight, while Allen is 4-0, but for better or worse, Newton is the franchise QB, job is his as soon as he is ready.

 

[habsfan]

At the very least I would hope the takeaway from this stretch of games is that there is an alternative to having Cam out there at well below 100% health. It's difficult to delineate poor performance from poor performance due to injury when you're chronically injured. 

 

[pantherclub]

A healthy Cam is a top 5 qb.   He did things in 2015 that very few other qbs have done or the capability to do.  The obvious problem however, whether its permanent or not, is that Cam hasnt been healthy in a long long time.   If/when he comes back its will be his job again.  I truly wish they would shut him down for a year to do a hard reset.  I just dont see that happening though.

 

[Dizzy]

A healthy Cam is a top 5 qb.   He did things in 2015 that very few other qbs have done or the capability to do.  The obvious problem however, whether its permanent or not, is that Cam hasnt been healthy in a long long time.   If/when he comes back its will be his job again.  I truly wish they would shut him down for a year to do a hard reset.  I just dont see that happening though.

Dude, that's already 4 years ago.

This is how the Josh Gordon thread goes... "he stinks... he's a JAG"... "No, he did things in 2013 that were amazing"

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

2015 was a long time ago. CMC is better with Kyle Allen. The team is great when CMC is rolling. 

 

[pantherclub]

Dude, that's already 4 years ago.

This is how the Josh Gordon thread goes... "he stinks... he's a JAG"... "No, he did things in 2013 that were amazing"

I followed what you bolded with this "The obvious problem however, whether its permanent or not, is that Cam hasnt been healthy in a long long time."

so yes I clearly understand he hasnt been "good" for a while.  Although he did start 6-2 just last year.

 

[pantherclub]

2015 was a long time ago. CMC is better with Kyle Allen. The team is great when CMC is rolling. 

Maybe.  But if Cam is healthy he is better than KA.   LIke I said earlier I would prefer they sit him all year and go from there.

 

[Dizzy]

I followed what you bolded with this "The obvious problem however, whether its permanent or not, is that Cam hasnt been healthy in a long long time."

so yes I clearly understand he hasnt been "good" for a while.  Although he did start 6-2 just last year.

For fantasy purposes, he's done if he's not rushing and scoring TDs. If he's been hurt for 4 years then maybe he's done, period, anyway.

Nothing has ever jumped off the page in terms of passing stats from Cam... not in this day and age.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Maybe.  But if Cam is healthy he is better than KA.   LIke I said earlier I would prefer they sit him all year and go from there.

I don't think Cam is good anymore. There was a time when he was but it's looking more like he lost that magic that made him good.  The fact is that this team is 3-0 with KA.  If I'm Ron Rivera, I'm benching Cam until KA proves he can't win anymore.

 

[pantherclub]

For fantasy purposes, he's done if he's not rushing and scoring TDs. If he's been hurt for 4 years then maybe he's done, period, anyway.

Nothing has ever jumped off the page in terms of passing stats from Cam... not in this day and age.

Sure for fantasy I wouldnt touch.  And I realize this is a fantasy driven board but in reality the panthers are better off with a healthy cam but I realize that may never happen again

 

[pantherclub]

I don't think Cam is good anymore. There was a time when he was but it's looking more like he lost that magic that made him good.  The fact is that this team is 3-0 with KA.  If I'm Ron Rivera, I'm benching Cam until KA proves he can't win anymore.

If he is healthy RR is not benching cam.  He just isnt.  Cam was 6-2 last season before getting hurt in pitt last season.  

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I think 2015 was probably an outlier.  He threw for a 3.5 to 1 TD to INT ratio.  His career average is 1.65 to 1.

Even 3.5 to 1 isn't very good by some of the elite QB standards.

 

[pantherclub]

I think 2015 was probably an outlier.  He threw for a 3.5 to 1 TD to INT ratio.  His career average is 1.65 to 1.

Even 3.5 to 1 isn't very good by some of the elite QB standards.

why do you not acknowledge his rushing that season?  That was the key

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

If he is healthy RR is not benching cam.  He just isnt.  Cam was 6-2 last season before getting hurt in pitt last season.  

I'm not a Panthers fan but I am the biggest CMC nut hugger on this board.  I've watched a lot of Panther games since CMC has joined and Cam is not a good QB for CMC.  He only passes to him in check down situations.  He never would have made that TD pass CMC got this past weekend on that Curl/Slant route.  CMC is the best offensive player on that team and I think KA is the best QB for getting CMC involved.  Cam lost the shine and this injury was supposedly nothing until they lost a couple now it's a thing. Seems like they're making excuses for Cam.  Just my $.02.  I appreciate the discussion.

 

[pantherclub]

I'm not a Panthers fan but I am the biggest CMC nut hugger on this board.  I've watched a lot of Panther games since CMC has joined and Cam is not a good QB for CMC.  He only passes to him in check down situations.  He never would have made that TD pass CMC got this past weekend on that Curl/Slant route.  CMC is the best offensive player on that team and I think KA is the best QB for getting CMC involved.  Cam lost the shine and this injury was supposedly nothing until they lost a couple now it's a thing. Seems like they're making excuses for Cam.  Just my $.02.  I appreciate the discussion.

he had a 107 receptions last year

They are leaning on CMC because they absolutely have to.  Spoiler alert:  this is not sustainable in todays NFL. 

 

[Chaz McNulty]

why do you not acknowledge his rushing that season?  That was the key

Because he will never have those rushing numbers again.  Through injury and age his ability to run like he once did is gone.  He has to be able to do it with his arm, and his accuracy was always his weakness.  Unfortunately for Cam, it's not just age but a lot more wear and tear than the average QB has taken.

I really think this is the beginning of the end for him.  It's too bad, because he was fun to watch in his prime.

 

[pantherclub]

Because he will never have those rushing numbers again.  Through injury and age his ability to run like he once did is gone.  He has to be able to do it with his arm, and his accuracy was always his weakness.  Unfortunately for Cam, it's not just age but a lot more wear and tear than the average QB has taken.

I really think this is the beginning of the end for him.  It's too bad, because he was fun to watch in his prime.

I wouldnt say never.  Especially if he is healthy.  Its in his dna to run like that.   Which is way for like the 3rd time now me saying I wish they would shut him down.  You guys are kidding yourself saying he isnt a good qb when healthy.  Again before he got hurt the panthers were 6-2.  Dude knows how to win.