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QB Cam Ward, TEN (4 Viewers)

Kind of like Peyton Manning's statement to Bill Polian when he told the Colts, and I paraphrase, “If You Don't Draft Me, I Promise To Come Back And Kick Your A** the next 15 years.".
Cam Ward is no Peyton Manning
I inow that for sure, but just making the correlation with what Manning said to Polian if he didn't draft him. I thought it was interesting.
 
Kind of like Peyton Manning's statement to Bill Polian when he told the Colts, and I paraphrase, “If You Don't Draft Me, I Promise To Come Back And Kick Your A** the next 15 years.".
Cam Ward is no Peyton Manning
I inow that for sure, but just making the correlation with what Manning said to Polian if he didn't draft him. I thought it was interesting.
I agree, and your point is well-taken. I was being a bit snarky, but it was all meant in fun. ;)
 
Let's say Ward and Sanders fall to the Giants at #3, or just one, I'm thinking their best move would be to take BPA at #3, sign one of top veteran QBs, then draft a developmental QB at #34. The reason I say this is that you could have a situation where if neither the Titans and the Browns feel the top two QBs in this draft aren't worthy of those top two picks and the Giants may feel that way too. They took Nabetrs last year over Daniels and Maye and some may feel they might reach this year beause they passed on those two last year, but they could feel that neither Ward or Sanders are anywhere near Daniels or Maye in value. That's why I say take BPA at #3, sign a veteran QB, and see if they can work with a developmental QB at #34. They could probably get someone like a Jaxon Dart or Jalen Milroe. Thoughts?
Giants drafted six so they did not have a shot at Daniels/Maye without trading up. They did pass on Penix, McCarthy, and Nix however. I agree with your thoughts on this years strategy. You dig the hole deeper by reaching. That franchise is in a rough spot to turnaround as they have so many needs. Taking a young questionable QB early without a decent oline is a recipe for continued disaster.
yes, a disaster they have had to live with. pretty sure they ruined Danny Dimes by putting him in a situation with no good O line. Hopefully they dont repeat the same dumb mistake.... but I have little faith. they probably will do it again.
 
Let's say Ward and Sanders fall to the Giants at #3, or just one, I'm thinking their best move would be to take BPA at #3, sign one of top veteran QBs, then draft a developmental QB at #34. The reason I say this is that you could have a situation where if neither the Titans and the Browns feel the top two QBs in this draft aren't worthy of those top two picks and the Giants may feel that way too. They took Nabetrs last year over Daniels and Maye and some may feel they might reach this year beause they passed on those two last year, but they could feel that neither Ward or Sanders are anywhere near Daniels or Maye in value. That's why I say take BPA at #3, sign a veteran QB, and see if they can work with a developmental QB at #34. They could probably get someone like a Jaxon Dart or Jalen Milroe. Thoughts?
Giants drafted six so they did not have a shot at Daniels/Maye without trading up. They did pass on Penix, McCarthy, and Nix however. I agree with your thoughts on this years strategy. You dig the hole deeper by reaching. That franchise is in a rough spot to turnaround as they have so many needs. Taking a young questionable QB early without a decent oline is a recipe for continued disaster.
yes, a disaster they have had to live with. pretty sure they ruined Danny Dimes by putting him in a situation with no good O line. Hopefully they dont repeat the same dumb mistake.... but I have little faith. they probably will do it again.
I personally feel building the trenches first on both lines is the best method for rebuilding, but what do I know. I know that doesn’t work for every draft, or free agency. I remember the Colts drafting Marvin Harrison with the 19th pick of 1996 draft, then tackle Tarik Glenn with their 1st (19) in 1997, and Peyton Manning with the 1st overall pick in 1998. Pretty good foundation. So you don’t have to have a top 3 pick every year to rebuild. The Colts took Edgerrin James with the 4th overall pick in 1999. That’s 3 HOF’ers in 4 years and an all pro tackle. Then took Reggie Wayne, who will probably be a HOF’er, in the 2001 draft with pick 30. Then got Dewight Freeney with pick 11 in the 2002 draft. Then Dallas Clark in the 2003 draft with pick 24. Then Bob Sanders with the 44th pick in the 2004 draft. That’s some good drafting, but they did struggle defensively, even the year they won the Super Bowl. Bill Polian was a genius. Hiring Tony Dungy wasn’t bad either.

The moral to the story is having a good GM and some luck. For as much crap that people give Jim Irsay, he looked pretty good in his hires back then and was instrumental in drafting Manning over Ryan Leaf when it wasn’t so cut and dry. There was a lot of people who favored Leaf.
 
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Let's say Ward and Sanders fall to the Giants at #3, or just one, I'm thinking their best move would be to take BPA at #3, sign one of top veteran QBs, then draft a developmental QB at #34. The reason I say this is that you could have a situation where if neither the Titans and the Browns feel the top two QBs in this draft aren't worthy of those top two picks and the Giants may feel that way too. They took Nabetrs last year over Daniels and Maye and some may feel they might reach this year beause they passed on those two last year, but they could feel that neither Ward or Sanders are anywhere near Daniels or Maye in value. That's why I say take BPA at #3, sign a veteran QB, and see if they can work with a developmental QB at #34. They could probably get someone like a Jaxon Dart or Jalen Milroe. Thoughts?
Giants drafted six so they did not have a shot at Daniels/Maye without trading up. They did pass on Penix, McCarthy, and Nix however. I agree with your thoughts on this years strategy. You dig the hole deeper by reaching. That franchise is in a rough spot to turnaround as they have so many needs. Taking a young questionable QB early without a decent oline is a recipe for continued disaster.
yes, a disaster they have had to live with. pretty sure they ruined Danny Dimes by putting him in a situation with no good O line. Hopefully they dont repeat the same dumb mistake.... but I have little faith. they probably will do it again.
I personally feel building the trenches first on both lines is the best method for rebuilding, but what do I know. I know that doesn’t work for every draft, or free agency. I remember the Colts drafting Marvin Harrison with the 19th pick of 1996 draft, then tackle Tarik Glenn with their 1st (19) in 1997, and Peyton Manning with the 1st overall pick in 1998. Pretty good foundation. So you don’t have to have a top 3 pick every year to rebuild. The Colts took Edgerrin James with the 4th overall pick in 1999. That’s 3 HOF’ers in 4 years and an all pro tackle. Then took Reggie Wayne, who will probably be a HOF’er, in the 2001 draft with pick 30. Then got Dewight Freeney with pick 11 in the 2002 draft. Then Dallas Clark in the 2003 draft with pick 24. Then Bob Sanders with the 44th pick in the 2004 draft. That’s some good drafting, but they did struggle defensively, even the year they won the Super Bowl. Bill Polian was a genius. Hiring Tony Dungy wasn’t bad either.

The moral to the story is having a good GM and some luck. For as much crap that people give Jim Irsay, he looked pretty good in his hires back then and was instrumental in drafting Manning over Ryan Leaf when it wasn’t so cut and dry. There was a lot of people who favored Leaf.

I 100% believe you can't get cute with the QB position...it's just too important...if you believe in one you take him regardless of what the rest of the team looks like (especially when it is your own pick and don't have to trade assets)...there were a lot of people saying the Pats should pass on Maye and build the rest of the team because of the state of the roster...if they had done that they would have set the franchise back years...instead they now have a potential franchise QB and even though the rest of the roster is subpar they have hope because they don't have to chase after a QB.
 
Let's say Ward and Sanders fall to the Giants at #3, or just one, I'm thinking their best move would be to take BPA at #3, sign one of top veteran QBs, then draft a developmental QB at #34. The reason I say this is that you could have a situation where if neither the Titans and the Browns feel the top two QBs in this draft aren't worthy of those top two picks and the Giants may feel that way too. They took Nabetrs last year over Daniels and Maye and some may feel they might reach this year beause they passed on those two last year, but they could feel that neither Ward or Sanders are anywhere near Daniels or Maye in value. That's why I say take BPA at #3, sign a veteran QB, and see if they can work with a developmental QB at #34. They could probably get someone like a Jaxon Dart or Jalen Milroe. Thoughts?
Giants drafted six so they did not have a shot at Daniels/Maye without trading up. They did pass on Penix, McCarthy, and Nix however. I agree with your thoughts on this years strategy. You dig the hole deeper by reaching. That franchise is in a rough spot to turnaround as they have so many needs. Taking a young questionable QB early without a decent oline is a recipe for continued disaster.
yes, a disaster they have had to live with. pretty sure they ruined Danny Dimes by putting him in a situation with no good O line. Hopefully they dont repeat the same dumb mistake.... but I have little faith. they probably will do it again.
I personally feel building the trenches first on both lines is the best method for rebuilding, but what do I know. I know that doesn’t work for every draft, or free agency. I remember the Colts drafting Marvin Harrison with the 19th pick of 1996 draft, then tackle Tarik Glenn with their 1st (19) in 1997, and Peyton Manning with the 1st overall pick in 1998. Pretty good foundation. So you don’t have to have a top 3 pick every year to rebuild. The Colts took Edgerrin James with the 4th overall pick in 1999. That’s 3 HOF’ers in 4 years and an all pro tackle. Then took Reggie Wayne, who will probably be a HOF’er, in the 2001 draft with pick 30. Then got Dewight Freeney with pick 11 in the 2002 draft. Then Dallas Clark in the 2003 draft with pick 24. Then Bob Sanders with the 44th pick in the 2004 draft. That’s some good drafting, but they did struggle defensively, even the year they won the Super Bowl. Bill Polian was a genius. Hiring Tony Dungy wasn’t bad either.

The moral to the story is having a good GM and some luck. For as much crap that people give Jim Irsay, he looked pretty good in his hires back then and was instrumental in drafting Manning over Ryan Leaf when it wasn’t so cut and dry. There was a lot of people who favored Leaf.
you are right. but they got lucky enough to draft Peyton manning, who is arguably a generational talent.

his release was so fast that a bad o line rarely affected him. a trait he shares with Jayden Daniels. and his accuracy was second to none.
 
Let's say Ward and Sanders fall to the Giants at #3, or just one, I'm thinking their best move would be to take BPA at #3, sign one of top veteran QBs, then draft a developmental QB at #34. The reason I say this is that you could have a situation where if neither the Titans and the Browns feel the top two QBs in this draft aren't worthy of those top two picks and the Giants may feel that way too. They took Nabetrs last year over Daniels and Maye and some may feel they might reach this year beause they passed on those two last year, but they could feel that neither Ward or Sanders are anywhere near Daniels or Maye in value. That's why I say take BPA at #3, sign a veteran QB, and see if they can work with a developmental QB at #34. They could probably get someone like a Jaxon Dart or Jalen Milroe. Thoughts?
Giants drafted six so they did not have a shot at Daniels/Maye without trading up. They did pass on Penix, McCarthy, and Nix however. I agree with your thoughts on this years strategy. You dig the hole deeper by reaching. That franchise is in a rough spot to turnaround as they have so many needs. Taking a young questionable QB early without a decent oline is a recipe for continued disaster.
yes, a disaster they have had to live with. pretty sure they ruined Danny Dimes by putting him in a situation with no good O line. Hopefully they dont repeat the same dumb mistake.... but I have little faith. they probably will do it again.
I personally feel building the trenches first on both lines is the best method for rebuilding, but what do I know. I know that doesn’t work for every draft, or free agency. I remember the Colts drafting Marvin Harrison with the 19th pick of 1996 draft, then tackle Tarik Glenn with their 1st (19) in 1997, and Peyton Manning with the 1st overall pick in 1998. Pretty good foundation. So you don’t have to have a top 3 pick every year to rebuild. The Colts took Edgerrin James with the 4th overall pick in 1999. That’s 3 HOF’ers in 4 years and an all pro tackle. Then took Reggie Wayne, who will probably be a HOF’er, in the 2001 draft with pick 30. Then got Dewight Freeney with pick 11 in the 2002 draft. Then Dallas Clark in the 2003 draft with pick 24. Then Bob Sanders with the 44th pick in the 2004 draft. That’s some good drafting, but they did struggle defensively, even the year they won the Super Bowl. Bill Polian was a genius. Hiring Tony Dungy wasn’t bad either.

The moral to the story is having a good GM and some luck. For as much crap that people give Jim Irsay, he looked pretty good in his hires back then and was instrumental in drafting Manning over Ryan Leaf when it wasn’t so cut and dry. There was a lot of people who favored Leaf.
you are right. but they got lucky enough to draft Peyton manning, who is arguably a generational talent.

his release was so fast that a bad o line rarely affected him. a trait he shares with Jayden Daniels. and his accuracy was second to none.
There's more to a rebuild than the QB, albetit that is the most important position. My post showed what the Colts did in the draft over a 9 year period and hit on all their first round picks except one (Rob Morris 2000), and one that was a 2nd round pick Bob Sanders at #44 in 2004. I didn't even look at any other 2nd round picks from 1996 - 2003.
 
Let's say Ward and Sanders fall to the Giants at #3, or just one, I'm thinking their best move would be to take BPA at #3, sign one of top veteran QBs, then draft a developmental QB at #34. The reason I say this is that you could have a situation where if neither the Titans and the Browns feel the top two QBs in this draft aren't worthy of those top two picks and the Giants may feel that way too. They took Nabetrs last year over Daniels and Maye and some may feel they might reach this year beause they passed on those two last year, but they could feel that neither Ward or Sanders are anywhere near Daniels or Maye in value. That's why I say take BPA at #3, sign a veteran QB, and see if they can work with a developmental QB at #34. They could probably get someone like a Jaxon Dart or Jalen Milroe. Thoughts?
Giants drafted six so they did not have a shot at Daniels/Maye without trading up. They did pass on Penix, McCarthy, and Nix however. I agree with your thoughts on this years strategy. You dig the hole deeper by reaching. That franchise is in a rough spot to turnaround as they have so many needs. Taking a young questionable QB early without a decent oline is a recipe for continued disaster.
yes, a disaster they have had to live with. pretty sure they ruined Danny Dimes by putting him in a situation with no good O line. Hopefully they dont repeat the same dumb mistake.... but I have little faith. they probably will do it again.
I personally feel building the trenches first on both lines is the best method for rebuilding, but what do I know. I know that doesn’t work for every draft, or free agency. I remember the Colts drafting Marvin Harrison with the 19th pick of 1996 draft, then tackle Tarik Glenn with their 1st (19) in 1997, and Peyton Manning with the 1st overall pick in 1998. Pretty good foundation. So you don’t have to have a top 3 pick every year to rebuild. The Colts took Edgerrin James with the 4th overall pick in 1999. That’s 3 HOF’ers in 4 years and an all pro tackle. Then took Reggie Wayne, who will probably be a HOF’er, in the 2001 draft with pick 30. Then got Dewight Freeney with pick 11 in the 2002 draft. Then Dallas Clark in the 2003 draft with pick 24. Then Bob Sanders with the 44th pick in the 2004 draft. That’s some good drafting, but they did struggle defensively, even the year they won the Super Bowl. Bill Polian was a genius. Hiring Tony Dungy wasn’t bad either.

The moral to the story is having a good GM and some luck. For as much crap that people give Jim Irsay, he looked pretty good in his hires back then and was instrumental in drafting Manning over Ryan Leaf when it wasn’t so cut and dry. There was a lot of people who favored Leaf.
you are right. but they got lucky enough to draft Peyton manning, who is arguably a generational talent.

his release was so fast that a bad o line rarely affected him. a trait he shares with Jayden Daniels. and his accuracy was second to none.
There's more to a rebuild than the QB, albetit that is the most important position. My post showed what the Colts did in the draft over a 9 year period and hit on all their first round picks except one (Rob Morris 2000), and one that was a 2nd round pick Bob Sanders at #44 in 2004. I didn't even look at any other 2nd round picks from 1996 - 2003.
agreed. if you hit on nearly every first round pick you will be a playoff team.

but most teams dont hit on their first round picks as often as they did. They had themselves a real nice run at the draft table to get where they did.

and if you have a team with a lot of holes, if you dont love the best QB on the board, and you can trade that pick for 2 firsts and maybe one or two second round picks, thats a good way to fill a lot of holes in the lineup quickly.

it will hasten the rebuild.

and in the case of the Giants whose line is still bad overall (with the exception of the LT position) or the titans do you waste that top pick on the best or second best QB in a weak draft class when you dont even have an O line that is good enough to give them a chance to develop properly?

and the Browns arguably at least have a reasonable O line so a QB makes more sense to them. though the organization seems like a bit of a dumpster fire, so it may not work.... but I still like the chances of a QB developing there more than I do in Tennessee or New York.
 
Caveat: I haven't seen him play. The description fits Jameis Winston to a T.
Medium Ben (Big Ben, but smaller) is a comparison I like.
I think that player exists, and his name is Dak Prescott.
Except Dak can't win the big one
They said the same about Stafford and a bunch of other QBs (and coaches).
 
NFL Rookie Watch
Cam Ward's release speed is something ELSE.

Darrell Colbert (Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders' trainer) said he believes Ward has the "fastest release" in FOOTBALL.

Several NFL scouts are reportedly "mesmerized" by how unorthodox, yet elite Ward's playstyle as a QB is.

"He's Ben Roethlisberger, but he's not. He's Caleb Williams, but he's not. His playstyle is so different from anything I've ever evaluated." - Anonymous NFC scout.

Ward is currently the favorite to be the 1st overall pick in the draft 🍿
 
I believe I would take Ward over Sanders because he has a stronger arm, is more moblle and doesn't forget how to play QB when the pressure is on, like Sanders does. I think Sanders is more accurate, but once the pressure is on him it's almost as if he forgets everything he knows and is a completely different QB. Having said that, Ward's top ceiling is probably Tua and that isn't a compliment when talking long term dynasty value IMO.
 
Kurt Benkert
I just broke down Cam Ward’s tape.

He’s my early #1 overall pick.

He can make every throw on the field with ease, from multiple arm angles, and with multiple trajectories to the same spots.

Not to mention, he’s extremely polished in terms of timing his throws and his accuracy is out of this world.

Truthfully, I haven’t seen many other quarterbacks coming out that seem to be able to teleport the ball to the exact spot they want to go to as consistently as he does.

Add to this, his poise in the pocket and overall awareness + his stature being able to shrug off tackles… he’s special.

Whoever decides to draft him is going to get a franchise turnaround player.

After leaving the combine, it is clear that every NFL team now has Cam Ward as QB1, and it’s not close.

The new battle is over who is QB2 between Jaxson Dart and Shedeur Sanders.
 
ESPN poll of scouts, decision-makers and analysts to get consensus ranking 1st round QBs of the last 5 drafts including this year's top two, Sanders and Ward. Pre-draft ranking only:

1 Caleb Williams
2 Trevor Lawrence
3 Joe Burrow
4 Jayden Daniels
5 Drake Maye
6 Tua Tagovailoa
7 Justin Herbert
8 Bryce Young
9 Zach Wilson
10 CJ Stroud
11 JJ McCarthy
12 Trey Lance
13 Anthony Richardson
14 Justin Fields
15 Mac Jones
16 Jordan Love
17 Bo Nix
18 Cam Ward
19 Michael Penix Jr
20 Shedeur Sanders
21 Kenny Picket
 
ESPN poll of scouts, decision-makers and analysts to get consensus ranking 1st round QBs of the last 5 drafts including this year's top two, Sanders and Ward. Pre-draft ranking only:

1 Caleb Williams
2 Trevor Lawrence
3 Joe Burrow
4 Jayden Daniels
5 Drake Maye
6 Tua Tagovailoa
7 Justin Herbert
8 Bryce Young
9 Zach Wilson
10 CJ Stroud
11 JJ McCarthy
12 Trey Lance
13 Anthony Richardson
14 Justin Fields
15 Mac Jones
16 Jordan Love
17 Bo Nix
18 Cam Ward
19 Michael Penix Jr
20 Shedeur Sanders
21 Kenny Picket
A lot of big whiffs on this list - not sure how much stock I'd put into it. It goes to show what a crap shoot the draft is - I think Ward and Sanders get selected in the first few picks regardless. And if Ward ends up somewhere in the neighborhood of Jordan Love, Bo Nix and Michael Penix, that might not be such a terrible thing.
 
@Brown_Daily
.@Jordan_Reid
"Cam Ward was in last year's draft class he would have been the fourth quarterback off the board"

ESPN College Football
.@Jordan_Reid says Cam Ward would be a good fit for the New York Giants 👀

“The Giants have a huge need at quarterback. … I believe Cam Ward is far and away the best quarterback in this year’s draft.”
 
Mac Jones over anyone except Pickett hmm not sure. But either way that’s not great for Ward
Mac leaving college was seen to be a competent starting QB. Not elite, but maybe what most see Brock Purdy as now.
Penix being below him is weird imo.
 
I have not had a chance to see this guy play outside of highlights, what are his potential negatives?
Little too confident in his own abilities
Got away with throwing passes that he won't be able to execute in the NFL


Fire away, I watched every one of his games last season at Miami
He made a few bad decisions, some off balance throws. He also kept the ball at times too long while scrambling leading to fumbles. But he made a ton of big time throws from the pocket and while scrambling, elevating talented players like Restrepo and Arroyo to another level. His arm talent and improvisational skills are upper echelon. PFF graded him #1 in anticipatory throws between the numbers, which is something hard to teach. He had the benefit of a good oline recruited by coach Diaz, and very good skill players that the 2023 QBs couldn't connect with.

GREAT decision by Ward to come to Miami. As the #1 pick, Ward would get ~$25,000,000 as a signing bonus. Arroyo and Restrepo expected to go 3rd round.
 
I have not had a chance to see this guy play outside of highlights, what are his potential negatives?
Little too confident in his own abilities
Got away with throwing passes that he won't be able to execute in the NFL

Fire away, I watched every one of his games last season at Miami
We saw Jameis up close last year. Ward sounds like a carbon copy to me. Big arm, big talent, likes "hero ball". Am I wrong?
 
I have not had a chance to see this guy play outside of highlights, what are his potential negatives?
Little too confident in his own abilities
Got away with throwing passes that he won't be able to execute in the NFL

Fire away, I watched every one of his games last season at Miami
We saw Jameis up close last year. Ward sounds like a carbon copy to me. Big arm, big talent, likes "hero ball". Am I wrong?
If so, that would be good for fantasy production
 
Mac Jones over anyone except Pickett hmm not sure. But either way that’s not great for Ward
Mac leaving college was seen to be a competent starting QB. Not elite, but maybe what most see Brock Purdy as now.
Penix being below him is weird imo.
I do absolutely believe that Kyle wanted to draft Mac with pick 3 when he traded up for the pick and then got talked out of it by Lynch and others.

I was not high on Penix myself. Very early peformance indicates he's going to prove me wrong.

So to me not weird.

I think we can all universally agree that Pickett should be on the bottom of this list.
 

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