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QB Derek Carr, Retired (1 Viewer)

True story. If Carr somehow got hurt in the pro bowl his contract for 2023 with the Raiders would get locked into a guarantee.

So yes it's flag football and yes the odds of an injury are super remote. But don't ever forget Robert Edwards.
How do you know that's a "true story"? Honestly, just curious. This pro-bowl stuff, while sponsored by the NFL, just seems like any other charity golf/basketball/etc game that players sometimes compete in in the off-season.

Is it just because it's the NFL putting it on? I mean, it is optional. It's not something they have to do by contract.

Just curious...
No problem, here it is: https://www.reviewjournal.com/sport...arr-is-seriously-injured-in-pro-bowl-2721224/
OMFG
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Derek Carr has said he will not extend the Feb. 15 deadline for the $40.4 million injury guarantee clause in his contract.​

In other words, the Raiders have to trade Carr before Feb. 15. Carr has a no-trade clause, so in other other words, he will not be getting traded, instead forcing his release. “I don’t think that would be best for me,” Carr said matter-of-factly. He is correct. Carr has zero reason to play ball with the Raiders, and though the remaining money on his deal is lucrative, he will make even more as a free agent in this quarterback-starved league. The Raiders threw Carr under the bus on the way out the door. He is reclaiming some dignity now.
SOURCE: ESPN
Feb 2, 2023, 11:18 PM ET
It really is his best move. I don't think anyone believed he would postpone the deadline.

I hope the Raiders don't blink and cut him. This is really shaping up to be one of the more interesting storylines this off-season.
 

Derek Carr has said he will not extend the Feb. 15 deadline for the $40.4 million injury guarantee clause in his contract.​

In other words, the Raiders have to trade Carr before Feb. 15. Carr has a no-trade clause, so in other other words, he will not be getting traded, instead forcing his release. “I don’t think that would be best for me,” Carr said matter-of-factly. He is correct. Carr has zero reason to play ball with the Raiders, and though the remaining money on his deal is lucrative, he will make even more as a free agent in this quarterback-starved league. The Raiders threw Carr under the bus on the way out the door. He is reclaiming some dignity now.
SOURCE: ESPN
Feb 2, 2023, 11:18 PM ET
It really is his best move. I don't think anyone believed he would postpone the deadline.

I hope the Raiders don't blink and cut him. This is really shaping up to be one of the more interesting storylines this off-season.
There has to be somebody offering a second round pick for him no? Why would the raiders just cut him?
 

Derek Carr has said he will not extend the Feb. 15 deadline for the $40.4 million injury guarantee clause in his contract.​

In other words, the Raiders have to trade Carr before Feb. 15. Carr has a no-trade clause, so in other other words, he will not be getting traded, instead forcing his release. “I don’t think that would be best for me,” Carr said matter-of-factly. He is correct. Carr has zero reason to play ball with the Raiders, and though the remaining money on his deal is lucrative, he will make even more as a free agent in this quarterback-starved league. The Raiders threw Carr under the bus on the way out the door. He is reclaiming some dignity now.
SOURCE: ESPN
Feb 2, 2023, 11:18 PM ET
It really is his best move. I don't think anyone believed he would postpone the deadline.

I hope the Raiders don't blink and cut him. This is really shaping up to be one of the more interesting storylines this off-season.
There has to be somebody offering a second round pick for him no? Why would the raiders just cut him?
If the contract vests then Mark Davis needs to put that $40 mil into an escrow account. Of course he has that kind of cash but he is, technically, one of the most cash poor owners in the league. If, as rumors indicate, he isn't a fan of Carr to begin with, he may not want to play that game of Chicken. Plus, there is a good chance that in order to move Carr the Raiders will either have to 1) ask for less draft/player capital and/or 2) eat part of Carr's contract. Again, that may not be something Davis is willing to do.

I think they let the contract vest, but stranger things have happened.
 

Derek Carr has said he will not extend the Feb. 15 deadline for the $40.4 million injury guarantee clause in his contract.​

In other words, the Raiders have to trade Carr before Feb. 15. Carr has a no-trade clause, so in other other words, he will not be getting traded, instead forcing his release. “I don’t think that would be best for me,” Carr said matter-of-factly. He is correct. Carr has zero reason to play ball with the Raiders, and though the remaining money on his deal is lucrative, he will make even more as a free agent in this quarterback-starved league. The Raiders threw Carr under the bus on the way out the door. He is reclaiming some dignity now.
SOURCE: ESPN
Feb 2, 2023, 11:18 PM ET
It really is his best move. I don't think anyone believed he would postpone the deadline.

I hope the Raiders don't blink and cut him. This is really shaping up to be one of the more interesting storylines this off-season.
There has to be somebody offering a second round pick for him no? Why would the raiders just cut him?
The no trade clause complicates things- even if somebody is offering a 2nd round pick he has to want to play there.
 
There has to be somebody offering a second round pick for him no? Why would the raiders just cut him?
I guess the fear would be his contract being fully guaranteed and then either him getting hurt or no one wanting to take him on at $40MM - but I'd think even getting a 5th round pick would be better than releasing him for nothing.
ETA: Yes, see above as well.
 
Hey super glad Derek Carr survived the Battle of the Network Stars, yesterday. Thank God he didn't blow out an ACL while throwing passes wearing sweats. True story
 
Hey super glad Derek Carr survived the Battle of the Network Stars, yesterday. Thank God he didn't blow out an ACL while throwing passes wearing sweats. True story
I see you are poking fun of my posts. Cool. They still have to play the flag football game and like I said odds are extremely remote but would not be the first time a serious injury occurred in an NFL flag football game. Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Again odds are super remote but it's easy to be cavalier when you are not the one on the hook for $30+million if it happened.
 
Hey super glad Derek Carr survived the Battle of the Network Stars, yesterday. Thank God he didn't blow out an ACL while throwing passes wearing sweats. True story
I see you are poking fun of my posts. Cool. They still have to play the flag football game and like I said odds are extremely remote but would not be the first time a serious injury occurred in an NFL flag football game. Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Again odds are super remote but it's easy to be cavalier when you are not the one on the hook for $30+million if it happened.
More so the breathless internet chats about this deal. Not you in particular. Apologies
 
Hey super glad Derek Carr survived the Battle of the Network Stars, yesterday. Thank God he didn't blow out an ACL while throwing passes wearing sweats. True story
I see you are poking fun of my posts. Cool. They still have to play the flag football game and like I said odds are extremely remote but would not be the first time a serious injury occurred in an NFL flag football game. Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Again odds are super remote but it's easy to be cavalier when you are not the one on the hook for $30+million if it happened.
More so the breathless internet chats about this deal. Not you in particular. Apologies
No apology needed, just thought it was an interesting angle and if Raiders don’t feel like Carr will waive his no trade clause and they know they are going to cut him that maybe they just say let’s do it before Sunday. Does not seem likely.
 
W/ no trade clause (which I didn't realize) has to be cut if not traded before the deadline. Otherwise things just get too messy. Yeah maybe they could get some type of pick but not worth it. It's like breaking up with a chick and letting her keep the TV, you're just better off ending things and not worrying about getting the best deal.
 
W/ no trade clause (which I didn't realize) has to be cut if not traded before the deadline. Otherwise things just get too messy. Yeah maybe they could get some type of pick but not worth it. It's like breaking up with a chick and letting her keep the TV, you're just better off ending things and not worrying about getting the best deal.
Raider Nation acting like it's a tragedy of they don't get a massive haul for a QB no one thinks is a franchise guy.

Understandable, tho. Draft day is only thing we have.
 
W/ no trade clause (which I didn't realize) has to be cut if not traded before the deadline. Otherwise things just get too messy. Yeah maybe they could get some type of pick but not worth it. It's like breaking up with a chick and letting her keep the TV, you're just better off ending things and not worrying about getting the best deal.
Raider Nation acting like it's a tragedy of they don't get a massive haul for a QB no one thinks is a franchise guy.

Understandable, tho. Draft day is only thing we have.
I hear you but there's quite a drop off after 15. I thought the biggest problem for the Raiders has been thier inconsistent defense?
 
I hear you but there's quite a drop off after 15. I thought the biggest problem for the Raiders has been thier inconsistent defense?
Carr has never been their biggest problem.
If it was up to me, he'd be starting this year, and some young guy would be drafted.

But it seems like he and McD didn't see eye to eye, so the team is moving on, which is fine as well. It's like if MIN moved on from Cousins. This isn't a Hall of Fame guy over here. He's a sweet guy, has talent, but lacks killer instinct, and in my opinion, if you give Carr a lead, he will squander it by playing too tight. Consistently, during Carr's time with the team, they have jumped out to leads, then didn't add to them. I dunno, maybe at his next stop his balls will drop, but I've never seen a killer instinct.

If they can arrange some kind of trade comp for him, great, but I think a late #1 is the best they could have hoped for, so him going for free is not a national tragedy.
 
I hear you but there's quite a drop off after 15. I thought the biggest problem for the Raiders has been thier inconsistent defense?
Carr has never been their biggest problem.
If it was up to me, he'd be starting this year, and some young guy would be drafted.

But it seems like he and McD didn't see eye to eye, so the team is moving on, which is fine as well. It's like if MIN moved on from Cousins. This isn't a Hall of Fame guy over here. He's a sweet guy, has talent, but lacks killer instinct, and in my opinion, if you give Carr a lead, he will squander it by playing too tight. Consistently, during Carr's time with the team, they have jumped out to leads, then didn't add to them. I dunno, maybe at his next stop his balls will drop, but I've never seen a killer instinct.

If they can arrange some kind of trade comp for him, great, but I think a late #1 is the best they could have hoped for, so him going for free is not a national tragedy.
For this raiders fan, the lack of killer instinct will forever be represented by the play when the team went for it on 4th and goal, and at the end of the play he threw it away out the back of the end zone instead of trying to force feed it to someone. Made zero sense, gave them no chance to score, and showed a total lack of sanity, let alone situational awareness. I know thats just one place but, as much of a Carr supporter as I’ve been, he‘s done that kind of stuff all the time. Strange for a dude that chose #4 for Favre to not show any gunslinger mentality for the majority of his career to date.
 
If you’re the Falcons, wouldn’t you offer like a 4 and a conditional 3 that could be a 2 if playoffs. That doesn’t hurt them and they immediately become the favorites in the nfc south. Would the Raiders take that? Would Carr?
 

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Raiders "already have granted QB Derek Carr permission to speak with other teams interested in trading for him that have also agreed to compensation with Las Vegas."​

Schefter added, "It's the same arrangement the Texans had with quarterback Deshaun Watson last off-season." As of yesterday, it was reported once again that Carr did not have permission to speak to other teams about a potential trade. That likely means no team has made an offer the Raiders would be willing to accept. At the Pro Bowl, Carr told reporters he would not extend the Feb. 15 deadline for the $40.4 million injury guarantee clause in his contract to kick in. With no suitors in sight, all signs point to the Raiders releasing Carr in the coming days. It's rare for an above-average quarterback to hit the open market, so expect multiple teams to throw massive contracts at Carr in the offseason.
SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Feb 3, 2023, 5:09 PM ET
 
I hear you but there's quite a drop off after 15. I thought the biggest problem for the Raiders has been thier inconsistent defense?
Carr has never been their biggest problem.
If it was up to me, he'd be starting this year, and some young guy would be drafted.

But it seems like he and McD didn't see eye to eye, so the team is moving on, which is fine as well. It's like if MIN moved on from Cousins. This isn't a Hall of Fame guy over here. He's a sweet guy, has talent, but lacks killer instinct, and in my opinion, if you give Carr a lead, he will squander it by playing too tight. Consistently, during Carr's time with the team, they have jumped out to leads, then didn't add to them. I dunno, maybe at his next stop his balls will drop, but I've never seen a killer instinct.

If they can arrange some kind of trade comp for him, great, but I think a late #1 is the best they could have hoped for, so him going for free is not a national tragedy.
Thanks for the great info. Funny, you can basically apply your analysis of Carr to Dak quite easliy. Except I think Carr is more sound in his mechanics and definitely decision making. The only edge I'd give to Dak is he has better running ability. Eh, not running and throwing though. Lol
 
I thought about him going to Houston too, but he and his brother are pretty tight. Seems like that might be kind of awkward for their family. Like, "you're really going to go play for the organization that ruined my career?"
 
I thought about him going to Houston too, but he and his brother are pretty tight. Seems like that might be kind of awkward for their family. Like, "you're really going to go play for the organization that ruined my career?"
very true, Houston's also in rebuilding and staying at 2 and taking either Young or Stroud (possibly trading to 1) seems the most likely scenario.
 
I thought about him going to Houston too, but he and his brother are pretty tight. Seems like that might be kind of awkward for their family. Like, "you're really going to go play for the organization that ruined my career?"
very true, Houston's also in rebuilding and staying at 2 and taking either Young or Stroud (possibly trading to 1) seems the most likely scenario.
I can see the argument for signing a vet like Carr or Jimmy G and then taking Anderson/Carter #2 considering they just hired a defensive head coach. But, I would be surprised if Carr went there.
 
I thought about him going to Houston too, but he and his brother are pretty tight. Seems like that might be kind of awkward for their family. Like, "you're really going to go play for the organization that ruined my career?"
very true, Houston's also in rebuilding and staying at 2 and taking either Young or Stroud (possibly trading to 1) seems the most likely scenario.
I can see the argument for signing a vet like Carr or Jimmy G and then taking Anderson/Carter #2 considering they just hired a defensive head coach. But, I would be surprised if Carr went there.
yeah i don't see any point to that. why? so they can finish 7-9 the next couple years?
 
Hey super glad Derek Carr survived the Battle of the Network Stars, yesterday. Thank God he didn't blow out an ACL while throwing passes wearing sweats. True story
I see you are poking fun of my posts. Cool. They still have to play the flag football game and like I said odds are extremely remote but would not be the first time a serious injury occurred in an NFL flag football game. Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Again odds are super remote but it's easy to be cavalier when you are not the one on the hook for $30+million if it happened.
More so the breathless internet chats about this deal. Not you in particular. Apologies
No apology needed, just thought it was an interesting angle and if Raiders don’t feel like Carr will waive his no trade clause and they know they are going to cut him that maybe they just say let’s do it before Sunday. Does not seem likely.
Interesting side note: Myles Garret appears to have dislocated a toe during the Pro Bowl!
 
Hey super glad Derek Carr survived the Battle of the Network Stars, yesterday. Thank God he didn't blow out an ACL while throwing passes wearing sweats. True story
I see you are poking fun of my posts. Cool. They still have to play the flag football game and like I said odds are extremely remote but would not be the first time a serious injury occurred in an NFL flag football game. Non-contact injuries happen all the time. Again odds are super remote but it's easy to be cavalier when you are not the one on the hook for $30+million if it happened.
More so the breathless internet chats about this deal. Not you in particular. Apologies
No apology needed, just thought it was an interesting angle and if Raiders don’t feel like Carr will waive his no trade clause and they know they are going to cut him that maybe they just say let’s do it before Sunday. Does not seem likely.
Interesting side note: Myles Garret appears to have dislocated a toe during the Pro Bowl!
I saw that little gauntlet thing they had.

Whole Pro Bowl thing is the dumbest thing I have ever seen the NFL do.
 
IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.
 
I thought about him going to Houston too, but he and his brother are pretty tight. Seems like that might be kind of awkward for their family. Like, "you're really going to go play for the organization that ruined my career?"
very true, Houston's also in rebuilding and staying at 2 and taking either Young or Stroud (possibly trading to 1) seems the most likely scenario.
I can see the argument for signing a vet like Carr or Jimmy G and then taking Anderson/Carter #2 considering they just hired a defensive head coach. But, I would be surprised if Carr went there.
yeah i don't see any point to that. why? so they can finish 7-9 the next couple years?

Depends how you want to build your team. Plenty of organizations have gone the "franchise QB in the draft" route and proceeded to finish way worse than 7-9.
 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Raiders have granted Derek Carr permission to visit the Saints.​

RapSheet adds that the visit is expected to happen on Wednesday but that no deal is imminent between the two parties. It appears, at least for now, that the Saints are leaving no stone unturned as they hunt for their quarterback of the future. Carr's no-trade clause also leaves a few hurdles yet to clear before any discussions commence.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Feb 7, 2023, 6:51 PM ET
 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Raiders have granted Derek Carr permission to visit the Saints.​

RapSheet adds that the visit is expected to happen on Wednesday but that no deal is imminent between the two parties. It appears, at least for now, that the Saints are leaving no stone unturned as they hunt for their quarterback of the future. Carr's no-trade clause also leaves a few hurdles yet to clear before any discussions commence.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Feb 7, 2023, 6:51 PM ET
Fingers freakin crossed.
signed,
All Raiders Fans
 
Carr is going to go where he wants to go. Makes more sense for him to wait and veto any trade, but no reason not to meet with interested teams.

He’ll get way more than $40M guaranteed on the open market, and the team he’s going to doesn’t have to give up any compensation.
 
Just goes to show how the salary cap can be manipulated, the two teams most rumored to be interested in Carr are the bottom 2 in cap space, both projected significantly negative at the moment (that will no doubt be fixed in the near future.)
 
IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.
I agree with much of this, but I think Stafford is a bad example. I would never call him an elite QB, he's right there with guys like Carr and Cousins, and quite a bit behind Ryan (Falcons SB version anyway) so between Stafford, and Jimmy G (another mid-tier QB), that's 25% of the last 4 SB QBs who don't fall into column 1 or 2.

I don't really see why NO would be interested in Carr. I'm not sure he's that big an upgrade from Dalton, who considering the circumstances actually was pretty solid this year, considering NO was down multiple OL starters and 2 of their top-3 WRs for pretty much all season, and they aren't close to being a contender.

My other disagreement would be that Rodgers is being paid beyond his usefulness. Personally, I still think Rodgers is the best QB in the NFC, he 100% fits the Brady going to Tampa Bay template.

Other than those small squabbles, I'm in agreement. Ideally scenario #2, then scenario #1. Which is basically Kansas City's run.
 
Just goes to show how the salary cap can be manipulated, the two teams most rumored to be interested in Carr are the bottom 2 in cap space, both projected significantly negative at the moment (that will no doubt be fixed in the near future.)

Message board "secret source":

It's a done deal.

Saints are about to start announcing new restructures. MT 2nd Restructured and pushed forward he's not going to be leaving. Not sure when the news drop is gonna hit.. but apparently MT is ecstatic about this.


No I can't say source
Yes it's going down
Ban hammer me if it doesn't

EDIT: NM -- others accuseing this poster of being a serial troll after guaranteeing Deshaun Watson would be a Saint last year :lol:
 
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DEREK CARR
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NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports that the Saints and Raiders have the framework of a Derek Carr trade in place.​

Carr visited with the Saints over the last two days and now Carr will decide whether to move forward with the Saints or not -- he has a no-trade clause and can veto any deal. The Raiders would likely be forced to release their longtime starting quarterback if they can't agree to a trade by 4 PM on Tuesday, as it would contractually guarantee his 2023 base salary of $32.9 million. Carr would be more of a buy-low win for the Saints than some obvious franchise-changing masterstroke, but he's far and away better than what they had on the roster at quarterback last season.
 
(FantasyPros) According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Las Vegas Raiders QB Derek Carr informed the team he will not accept a trade to any team, likely setting him up to be released and become a free agent. Analysis: Part of the challenge with trading Derek Carr is his contract, and releasing him will make it easier for Carr to sign with a team. Carr and the New Orleans Saints had a meeting and seem to have some mutual interest, and reports recently surfaced that the Carolina Panthers could be interested. With Carr being a free agent, his new team is in his hands.
 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Raiders will release QB Derek Carr prior to his contract becoming fully guaranteed on Tuesday.​

Carr exercised his no-trade clause to block a move to the Saints and will now reportedly become an unrestricted free agent on Tuesday. His $40 million contract with the Raiders is set to become fully guaranteed tomorrow at 4 pm EST, meaning his release is expected to come before that deadline. Carr is expected to garner immense interest on the open market from the multitude of quarterback-needy teams around the league. The Saints, Panthers, Jets, and Titans are amongst the leading candidates to pursue the nine-year veteran.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Feb 13, 2023, 8:01 PM ET
 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Raiders will release QB Derek Carr prior to his contract becoming fully guaranteed on Tuesday.​

Carr exercised his no-trade clause to block a move to the Saints and will now reportedly become an unrestricted free agent on Tuesday. His $40 million contract with the Raiders is set to become fully guaranteed tomorrow at 4 pm EST, meaning his release is expected to come before that deadline. Carr is expected to garner immense interest on the open market from the multitude of quarterback-needy teams around the league. The Saints, Panthers, Jets, and Titans are amongst the leading candidates to pursue the nine-year veteran.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Feb 13, 2023, 8:01 PM ET
The Titans? At best it seems like a lateral move.
 

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