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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (1 Viewer)

Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.
Unfortunately, doing so brings a dead cap hit of over $170 million.

Currently, Cleveland is projected to be $65 million over the salary cap next year. Rolling over the $50 million they have this year takes care of most of that but cutting Watson would require losing another $100 million in cap hits. Overly simplified, that would require getting rid of Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Joel Bitonio, Wyatt Tellerand Jack Conklin (the team’s next five biggest cap hits) next year.

 
Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.
Unfortunately, doing so brings a dead cap hit of over $170 million.

Currently, Cleveland is projected to be $65 million over the salary cap next year. Rolling over the $50 million they have this year takes care of most of that but cutting Watson would require losing another $100 million in cap hits. Overly simplified, that would require getting rid of Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Joel Bitonio, Wyatt Tellerand Jack Conklin (the team’s next five biggest cap hits) next year.

I get that part. Just perma-bench him. “Your services in our building are no longer needed.” Maybe he’ll take some kind of buyout settlement?

The crippling decision to trade for him and give him that contract is a sunk cost. The longer he’s around the longer you wait to rebuild any semblance of culture in that locker room.
 
Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.
Unfortunately, doing so brings a dead cap hit of over $170 million.

Currently, Cleveland is projected to be $65 million over the salary cap next year. Rolling over the $50 million they have this year takes care of most of that but cutting Watson would require losing another $100 million in cap hits. Overly simplified, that would require getting rid of Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Joel Bitonio, Wyatt Tellerand Jack Conklin (the team’s next five biggest cap hits) next year.

I get that part. Just perma-bench him. “Your services in our building are no longer needed.” Maybe he’ll take some kind of buyout settlement?

The crippling decision to trade for him and give him that contract is a sunk cost. The longer he’s around the longer you wait to rebuild any semblance of culture in that locker room.
I’m fully with you. But why would Watson take a buyout? Best case for Cleveland, the new allegations weren’t disclosed and result in suspension.
 
Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.
Unfortunately, doing so brings a dead cap hit of over $170 million.

Currently, Cleveland is projected to be $65 million over the salary cap next year. Rolling over the $50 million they have this year takes care of most of that but cutting Watson would require losing another $100 million in cap hits. Overly simplified, that would require getting rid of Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Joel Bitonio, Wyatt Tellerand Jack Conklin (the team’s next five biggest cap hits) next year.

I get that part. Just perma-bench him. “Your services in our building are no longer needed.” Maybe he’ll take some kind of buyout settlement?

The crippling decision to trade for him and give him that contract is a sunk cost. The longer he’s around the longer you wait to rebuild any semblance of culture in that locker room.
I’m fully with you. But why would Watson take a buyout? Best case for Cleveland, the new allegations weren’t disclosed and result in suspension.
Literally because these allegations could result in the Browns being able to void the contract. “Here, DeShaun. Accept this or we’re using every legal loophole we can to get out of this deal.” :suitsfoldertoss:

In the meantime no way he starts for my team ever again.

It’s not like he’s playing well, or ever has for the Browns, anyway.
 
I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that Cleveland has plenty of private investigators working hard to find a lot more dirt on him. There is guaranteed to be language in the contract that allows them to dissolve it upon indictment/arrest/etc.
 
It was widely reported at the time that Watson’s contract did have void language that resulted from any undisclosed conduct at the time of the signing. There’s likely some legal gray area on what that amounts to and what would be cause to void but this most recent news may allow them to void some of his future guaranteed payments.
 
Uh oh…here we go again


Im sorry but this sounds made up
I mean, if it's true, then Watson is much stranger than I thought.

This is also an escalation as it's forced rape, not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.

The thing that really sticks out is, it's a first date, he's mad they're late for wherever they're going, so he strips down and demands a butt massage? That doesn't make logical sense. Unless the plaintiff is just including that in the story to make it similar to the other cases?

I think no one should be deciding that this is real or that this is fake until further details come. We all love to do it, but truthfully we don't know.
 
It’s amazing that People defended the Browns decision making with the trade and contract.
It isn’t over yet of course but ya think the GM would undo this if he could?
If the league suspends Watson for conduct, Cleveland can void the contact and get out.
 
Uh oh…here we go again


Im sorry but this sounds made up
I mean, if it's true, then Watson is much stranger than I thought.

This is also an escalation as it's forced rape, not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.

The thing that really sticks out is, it's a first date, he's mad they're late for wherever they're going, so he strips down and demands a butt massage? That doesn't make logical sense. Unless the plaintiff is just including that in the story to make it similar to the other cases?

I think no one should be deciding that this is real or that this is fake until further details come. We all love to do it, but truthfully we don't know.
I think this was made clear in the story :wink:
 
Up to you, but recommend you delete that joke.

Either an innocent women was raped or a previous sexual assaulter is being falsely accused. Neither is really a laughing matter IMO
 
Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.
Unfortunately, doing so brings a dead cap hit of over $170 million.

Currently, Cleveland is projected to be $65 million over the salary cap next year. Rolling over the $50 million they have this year takes care of most of that but cutting Watson would require losing another $100 million in cap hits. Overly simplified, that would require getting rid of Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Joel Bitonio, Wyatt Tellerand Jack Conklin (the team’s next five biggest cap hits) next year.

I get that part. Just perma-bench him. “Your services in our building are no longer needed.” Maybe he’ll take some kind of buyout settlement?

The crippling decision to trade for him and give him that contract is a sunk cost. The longer he’s around the longer you wait to rebuild any semblance of culture in that locker room.
I don't think the timing of this report is a coincidence :tinfoilhat:We'll see how fast this develops, but I'm expecting what you suggested to come together. I'm still worried how the locker room will react- this is a Super Bowl caliber roster that had their prime wasted. Garrett (29), Chubb (29), Ward (27 + 5 concussions), Bitonio (33), Cooper (30), Teller (30), Conklin (30), Njoku (28), Tomlinson (30). They'll rally around Jameis short term, but I suspect there's a shelf life as a reset is coming that none of these guys will want to go through.
 
We also don’t know if an accusation rises to the level where they can void the guarantees, Florio is reporting this morning that it could. My very amateur opinion would be there likely would need to be criminal charges or an actual suspension or the Players Union would have a grievance. If it has to be an actual suspension the NFL has been slow/reluctant to suspend for civil matters. It was 18 months after the news first broke and not until after he settled his previous 20+ cases before the NFL suspended Watson last time.
 
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At this point the Browns need to just get him away from their locker room.

The allegation here is violent sexual assault.

I certainly don't want to defend Watson, but it looks like it allegedly happened in October of 2020. That's a long time to wait considering his name has been in the news for sexual assault. The item doesn't mention criminal charges. Certainly that should be a concern. I think he's entitled to his chance to defend here.
Considering everything we know does that matter?

From just a football perspective put yourself in that building. In that locker room. There are men in there that clearly want nothing to do with this guy being their QB. How do you look them in the eye and keep starting him?

Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.

Can they? I mean this literally.

My read of Spotrac with his contract is if they release him right now, he has a 2024 cap hit of $120m and a 2025 cap hit of $80m. In 2027 they already have a voided cap hit of $27m alone if they just play out the contract (which is roughly his 2024 cap hit currently).

The cap is roughly $255m - could the team even operate with that big of a cap hit? I think quite literally they can't release him.
 
At this point the Browns need to just get him away from their locker room.

The allegation here is violent sexual assault.

I certainly don't want to defend Watson, but it looks like it allegedly happened in October of 2020. That's a long time to wait considering his name has been in the news for sexual assault. The item doesn't mention criminal charges. Certainly that should be a concern. I think he's entitled to his chance to defend here.
Considering everything we know does that matter?

From just a football perspective put yourself in that building. In that locker room. There are men in there that clearly want nothing to do with this guy being their QB. How do you look them in the eye and keep starting him?

Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.

Can they? I mean this literally.

My read of Spotrac with his contract is if they release him right now, he has a 2024 cap hit of $120m and a 2025 cap hit of $80m. In 2027 they already have a voided cap hit of $27m alone if they just play out the contract (which is roughly his 2024 cap hit currently).

The cap is roughly $255m - could the team even operate with that big of a cap hit? I think quite literally they can't release him.
In terms of contract probably not without some kind of litigation or settlement with him.

I didn't say release him. I'd just bench him and politely ask him to stay home on paid leave.
 
not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.
Just? :oldunsure:
Admittedly, I don't know all of the gory details from the prior case, but my impression was it was just "hand stuff" that the masseuses weren't really about doing but did it out of pressure/fear. Correct me if my impression is wrong, please. My thinking this is a significant escalation over what he was previously sued over. Again, feel free to correct me if I have the facts wrong, thank you.
 
On a positive note for fantasy if Cooper had not dropped that pass Watson would have been QB10 for the week. Silver linings.

I still think he has hope to be a good fantasy play, if he keeps starting each week, but no doubt about it he played horribly in real life.

I just don't understand how he got so bad, makes no sense to me. I'm sure most will say it's the time off but compare that to Mike Vick's situation. Watson participated in training camps, enjoyed the best nutrition, private workouts with trainers/QB coaches, throwing sessions with his players and he did not sit 2 full seasons. Vick was mainly confined to his cell for two years, prison food, prison excercise equipment, no workouts with trainers or NFL players, no training camp, etc,etc and sat the full two years and he looked great when he got on the field.

Can only conclude that Watson's mentals are a mess. He had a super pristine image and he can't deal with his actions being exposed and the world viewing him as a horrible person.

Also I don't get to carried away with narratives like "he does not want to play". Even heard Stefanski say he wanted to pull him from the game. Even if you hate Watson you got to say the man took a beating Sunday and kept coming back for more so saying he's just happy to get paid and does not want to play anymore rings hollow to me. But, he sure never seems like the losing and bad play really actually bothers him that much. Maybe it's all just an act, to act like he's all "cool" despite all the bad stuff that's gone down for him on and off the field.

I'm a Steeler's fan and people will probably think this is weird to say but I really hate it for the Browns fan's. Passionate great fans, they deserve better and this is the messiest multi-year situation I've ever seen a team have to deal with.
 
not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.
Just? :oldunsure:
Admittedly, I don't know all of the gory details from the prior case, but my impression was it was just "hand stuff" that the masseuses weren't really about doing but did it out of pressure/fear. Correct me if my impression is wrong, please. My thinking this is a significant escalation over what he was previously sued over. Again, feel free to correct me if I have the facts wrong, thank you.
I have no idea what the new allegations are, but forcibly making someone touch / fondle your penix isn’t a minor thing.
 
not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.
Just? :oldunsure:
Admittedly, I don't know all of the gory details from the prior case, but my impression was it was just "hand stuff" that the masseuses weren't really about doing but did it out of pressure/fear. Correct me if my impression is wrong, please. My thinking this is a significant escalation over what he was previously sued over. Again, feel free to correct me if I have the facts wrong, thank you.
I have no idea what the new allegations are, but forcibly making someone touch / fondle your penix isn’t a minor thing.

I will spoiler this for anyone who doesn't want to read the exact allegations. This is from the ESPN article.

The lawsuit states that Watson met the woman, a single mother, at a Houston restaurant and bar, managed to get her phone number and initially attempted to have her meet him at the Houston Galleria for a date. Reluctant to meet Watson in public, the woman instead agreed to a dinner date at her apartment, according to the lawsuit.

On the evening of the date, according to the lawsuit, she said Watson had trouble finding her apartment and began aggressively yelling and screaming at her on the phone, saying he didn't "have time for this."

The lawsuit alleges that, while applying makeup in her bathroom, the woman then found Watson "completely naked on her bed, lying face down on his stomach." Watson then requested the woman massage his buttocks and the woman "tried to appease Watson by rubbing his back, rather than his buttocks," according to the lawsuit.

Watson then turned over and "continued to demand that Jane Doe massage him, gesturing from his knees to his groin," according to the lawsuit. The woman told Watson that she was not a masseuse, to which Watson asked her what she wanted to do instead, the suit alleges.

Before the woman could answer, Watson "partially disrobed Jane Doe and penetrated her vagina without consent, implicit or explicit," according to the lawsuit, which also alleges that Watson sexually assaulted the woman for several minutes before she escaped and grabbed a heavy piece of decor for self-defense. Watson then "stormed out of Jane Doe's apartment," according to the lawsuit.
 
not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.
Just? :oldunsure:
Admittedly, I don't know all of the gory details from the prior case, but my impression was it was just "hand stuff" that the masseuses weren't really about doing but did it out of pressure/fear. Correct me if my impression is wrong, please. My thinking this is a significant escalation over what he was previously sued over. Again, feel free to correct me if I have the facts wrong, thank you.
I have no idea what the new allegations are, but forcibly making someone touch / fondle your penix isn’t a minor thing.

I will spoiler this for anyone who doesn't want to read the exact allegations. This is from the ESPN article.

The lawsuit states that Watson met the woman, a single mother, at a Houston restaurant and bar, managed to get her phone number and initially attempted to have her meet him at the Houston Galleria for a date. Reluctant to meet Watson in public, the woman instead agreed to a dinner date at her apartment, according to the lawsuit.

On the evening of the date, according to the lawsuit, she said Watson had trouble finding her apartment and began aggressively yelling and screaming at her on the phone, saying he didn't "have time for this."

The lawsuit alleges that, while applying makeup in her bathroom, the woman then found Watson "completely naked on her bed, lying face down on his stomach." Watson then requested the woman massage his buttocks and the woman "tried to appease Watson by rubbing his back, rather than his buttocks," according to the lawsuit.

Watson then turned over and "continued to demand that Jane Doe massage him, gesturing from his knees to his groin," according to the lawsuit. The woman told Watson that she was not a masseuse, to which Watson asked her what she wanted to do instead, the suit alleges.

Before the woman could answer, Watson "partially disrobed Jane Doe and penetrated her vagina without consent, implicit or explicit," according to the lawsuit, which also alleges that Watson sexually assaulted the woman for several minutes before she escaped and grabbed a heavy piece of decor for self-defense. Watson then "stormed out of Jane Doe's apartment," according to the lawsuit.

No victim blaming here but WTF?
Don’t do this.
“Reluctant to meet Watson in public, the woman instead agreed to a dinner date at her apartment”
 
At this point the Browns need to just get him away from their locker room.

The allegation here is violent sexual assault.

I certainly don't want to defend Watson, but it looks like it allegedly happened in October of 2020. That's a long time to wait considering his name has been in the news for sexual assault. The item doesn't mention criminal charges. Certainly that should be a concern. I think he's entitled to his chance to defend here.
Considering everything we know does that matter?

From just a football perspective put yourself in that building. In that locker room. There are men in there that clearly want nothing to do with this guy being their QB. How do you look them in the eye and keep starting him?

Just rid your team of the cancer and move on.

Can they? I mean this literally.

My read of Spotrac with his contract is if they release him right now, he has a 2024 cap hit of $120m and a 2025 cap hit of $80m. In 2027 they already have a voided cap hit of $27m alone if they just play out the contract (which is roughly his 2024 cap hit currently).

The cap is roughly $255m - could the team even operate with that big of a cap hit? I think quite literally they can't release him.
In terms of contract probably not without some kind of litigation or settlement with him.

I didn't say release him. I'd just bench him and politely ask him to stay home on paid leave.

I don't know if they can do that either, without an agreement from Watson. Not an expert, but I think it has to do with the labour agreement. Can't just "paid leave" someone without a conduct issue or injury.

And still leaves them in a pickle - even cutting them next year is a likely unsustainable cap charge.

I think they've painted themselves into a corner.
 
He did have his father die last week and I believe a close friend as well. Sorry if this was already mentioned.
 
Also I don't get to carried away with narratives like "he does not want to play". Even heard Stefanski say he wanted to pull him from the game. Even if you hate Watson you got to say the man took a beating Sunday and kept coming back for more so saying he's just happy to get paid and does not want to play anymore rings hollow to me.
I grabbed this paragraph only because I read something on The Athletic yesterday that Watson is more responsible for a lot of that because of how long he holds the ball. From the article:

Watson averaged 4.16 seconds to throw per pressured dropback Sunday, the eighth-best time under pressure. On sacks that resulted from pressure, he held the ball for 4.29 seconds, the sixth-best time in Week 1.

On the six sacks he did take, his average time to throw was 4.87 seconds — which ranked 10th.

Since he joined the Browns in 2022, Watson has been the slowest from snap to throw on pressured dropbacks of any quarterback across the league (4.60 seconds). Tom Brady, who coincidentally called the game for Fox, was the fastest at 3.26 seconds.


Here's a link to the article in case anyone has a subscription there.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5755058/2024/09/09/browns-cowboys-deshaun-watson/?redirected=1

Just a tidbit I thought was interesting. But goes toward your theory that his mentals are a mess.
 
The cap hit is the cap hit, whether he's in the building or not. He's obviously not the answer here and probably never will be. It's a tough pill to swallow, but running him out there isn't helping the situation. The guy looks like he's on a massive dose of benzos. Better to just move on sooner rather than later. I'd probably force him to be a practice squad player, riding him hard, hoping he just quits.
 
The cap hit is the cap hit, whether he's in the building or not. He's obviously not the answer here and probably never will be. It's a tough pill to swallow, but running him out there isn't helping the situation. The guy looks like he's on a massive dose of benzos. Better to just move on sooner rather than later. I'd probably force him to be a practice squad player, riding him hard, hoping he just quits.
Lol, this isn't getting rid of Sally in Accounting.
 
The cap hit is the cap hit, whether he's in the building or not. He's obviously not the answer here and probably never will be. It's a tough pill to swallow, but running him out there isn't helping the situation. The guy looks like he's on a massive dose of benzos. Better to just move on sooner rather than later. I'd probably force him to be a practice squad player, riding him hard, hoping he just quits.
Lol, this isn't getting rid of Sally in Accounting.
I agree with you, he's not going anywhere of his own free will, but do you think he's helping on the field as starter? Do you feel like he would help the team as a backup? Do you feel like he's prepared to play in the NFL, or that he even cares anymore? If you answer yes to any of these then keep him on the active roster, and by all means. If you answer no to all of them, you have two realistic choices. Cut his dumb *** and let him sail off into the sunset with his blood money, or keep him around, pay him and make his life miserable. Personally, I'm an ******* so he'd be rotting on the practice squad playing the part of all the running QBs in the league. He would of course be wearing a contact jersey.
 
I think Watson is a bottom 5 starter, but he should pretty obviously not be benched YET.

Starting RB hurt, TE got hurt, #2 WR got hurt, neither starting tackle played, and he hadnt played since early last year.

That said, he truly was terrible

That also said, it was one week

All that said, I thought he has sucked since he got here.
 
It was widely reported at the time that Watson’s contract did have void language that resulted from any undisclosed conduct at the time of the signing. There’s likely some legal gray area on what that amounts to and what would be cause to void but this most recent news may allow them to void some of his future guaranteed payments.
Gather round folks…let’s put our tinfoil hats on…but WHAT IF the PI’s for the browns found a woman that previously had relations with Watson and put her up to claiming their date night was anything but consensual?! Like this new report.

Browns hired investigator: “ok ma’am, you did indeed go on a date with Mr. Watson. We need you to say he made it very awkward and roughed you up a bit and forced himself upon you. We’ll make it worth your while if you do so.”

Next thing you know, new allegations years after the fact all in an effort to get the browns out of this mess!

Cue X Files music.
 
not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.
Just? :oldunsure:
Admittedly, I don't know all of the gory details from the prior case, but my impression was it was just "hand stuff" that the masseuses weren't really about doing but did it out of pressure/fear. Correct me if my impression is wrong, please. My thinking this is a significant escalation over what he was previously sued over. Again, feel free to correct me if I have the facts wrong, thank you.
I have no idea what the new allegations are, but forcibly making someone touch / fondle your penix isn’t a minor thing.
They were linked above. Essentially the claim is, it was their first date, she was running late and he yelled at her on the phone. He came up to her place to wait, while she was in the bathroom finishing getting ready he stripped naked and laid face down on her bed. She walked out of the bathroom and he demanded a butt massage. She complied, then he pounced on her and forcibly raped her.

It's very different from my understanding of the original 20 claims. It also just doesn't make a lot of sense. Like, if he's concerned about being late, why did he strip naked and demand a massage, something that will obviously make them more late, and according to her story he was big mad about being late immediately prior to this.

Anyways, I'm in no position to judge her credibility. We know he's a scum bag, but that doesn't mean he did what she is claiming. I can see it being a false accusation but I suppose it could also be true. It's best to let the courts decide, where a jury gets time to hear both sides, weigh all evidence, and spends time deliberating it all. Advantages we won't have from our perspective. I know it's common for folks to jump to conclusions but I think that's not wise.
 
It was widely reported at the time that Watson’s contract did have void language that resulted from any undisclosed conduct at the time of the signing. There’s likely some legal gray area on what that amounts to and what would be cause to void but this most recent news may allow them to void some of his future guaranteed payments.
Gather round folks…let’s put our tinfoil hats on…but WHAT IF the PI’s for the browns found a woman that previously had relations with Watson and put her up to claiming their date night was anything but consensual?! Like this new report.

Browns hired investigator: “ok ma’am, you did indeed go on a date with Mr. Watson. We need you to say he made it very awkward and roughed you up a bit and forced himself upon you. We’ll make it worth your while if you do so.”

Next thing you know, new allegations years after the fact all in an effort to get the browns out of this mess!

Cue X Files music.
My brain considered this possibility also.
 
2 years away from the game for a QB is a career nightmare. He was good, but i don't see how he ever gets it back. He'll still have the arm. But the ability to process and the swagger ... it may never return. Oh well .... he'll have $230 million of CLE's $$s to spend so that's sweet for him.
He'll be fine. Just needs more actual gametime reps.

Keep in mind the DEF/ST took away three potential possessions yesterday (in a good way for Browns fans).

How's this going? CLE ownership were idiots to think this would ever work out.
 
2 years away from the game for a QB is a career nightmare. He was good, but i don't see how he ever gets it back. He'll still have the arm. But the ability to process and the swagger ... it may never return. Oh well .... he'll have $230 million of CLE's $$s to spend so that's sweet for him.
He'll be fine. Just needs more actual gametime reps.

Keep in mind the DEF/ST took away three potential possessions yesterday (in a good way for Browns fans).

How's this going? CLE ownership were idiots to think this would ever work out.

Yes, your 20/20 hindsight is as good as the rest of us.

Will you be digging up all of the comments from 2022 and retroactively critiquing them?
 
2 years away from the game for a QB is a career nightmare. He was good, but i don't see how he ever gets it back. He'll still have the arm. But the ability to process and the swagger ... it may never return. Oh well .... he'll have $230 million of CLE's $$s to spend so that's sweet for him.
He'll be fine. Just needs more actual gametime reps.

Keep in mind the DEF/ST took away three potential possessions yesterday (in a good way for Browns fans).

How's this going? CLE ownership were idiots to think this would ever work out.

Yes, your 20/20 hindsight is as good as the rest of us.

Will you be digging up all of the comments from 2022 and retroactively critiquing them?
Where's the fun in making predictive comments if we can't have them thrown in our face later when we're tragically wrong?
 
2 years away from the game for a QB is a career nightmare. He was good, but i don't see how he ever gets it back. He'll still have the arm. But the ability to process and the swagger ... it may never return. Oh well .... he'll have $230 million of CLE's $$s to spend so that's sweet for him.
He'll be fine. Just needs more actual gametime reps.

Keep in mind the DEF/ST took away three potential possessions yesterday (in a good way for Browns fans).

How's this going? CLE ownership were idiots to think this would ever work out.

Yes, your 20/20 hindsight is as good as the rest of us.

Will you be digging up all of the comments from 2022 and retroactively critiquing them?
Where's the fun in making predictive comments if we can't have them thrown in our face later when we're tragically wrong?

You got me... two years ago I thought maybe he was just rusty.

You must be a lot of fun at parties. You must be new to this fantasy football thing as well.
 
2 years away from the game for a QB is a career nightmare. He was good, but i don't see how he ever gets it back. He'll still have the arm. But the ability to process and the swagger ... it may never return. Oh well .... he'll have $230 million of CLE's $$s to spend so that's sweet for him.
He'll be fine. Just needs more actual gametime reps.

Keep in mind the DEF/ST took away three potential possessions yesterday (in a good way for Browns fans).

How's this going? CLE ownership were idiots to think this would ever work out.

Yes, your 20/20 hindsight is as good as the rest of us.

Will you be digging up all of the comments from 2022 and retroactively critiquing them?
Where's the fun in making predictive comments if we can't have them thrown in our face later when we're tragically wrong?

You got me... two years ago I thought maybe he was just rusty.

You must be a lot of fun at parties. You must be new to this fantasy football thing as well.
Oh. I was just generalizing in response to your comment. I didn't dig it up. Although, I am looking forward to quoting a few more of Baker Mayfield's biggest fans.
 
Uh oh…here we go again


Im sorry but this sounds made up
I mean, if it's true, then Watson is much stranger than I thought.

This is also an escalation as it's forced rape, not just putting a masseuse's hand on his donger.

The thing that really sticks out is, it's a first date, he's mad they're late for wherever they're going, so he strips down and demands a butt massage? That doesn't make logical sense. Unless the plaintiff is just including that in the story to make it similar to the other cases?

I think no one should be deciding that this is real or that this is fake until further details come. We all love to do it, but truthfully we don't know.
They weren’t going anywhere per the article, it was a dinner date at her apartment and she was late being ready when he showed up.

An alternate explanation to the plaintiff including the massage thing “to make it sound similar to the other cases” might be that it fits well with what we can reasonably conclude about Watson from the other cases: he has a deep-seated massage kink and little regard for consent.

You can wait for it to play out if you want but I’m comfortable assuming it’s reasonably likely the prolific sexual assault guy who faced minimal significant consequences did it again. Especially given that if I’m wrong it’s not like an innocent man will suffer for it
 

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