QB Jameis Winston, NYG (3 Viewers)

[King of the Jungle]

Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.

Yeah, I think the crux here is we have different opinions on how good Winston is. I'd probably rank him around QB45 or so and consider him a middling backup.

I don't think Wilson is some amazing QB anymore, but I struggle to see what Winston does better. Wilson has a better deep ball, makes better decisions, and is more accurate. They both take too many sacks. Maybe Wilson gets hurt I guess, but I'd put the odds at Wilson getting benched for Winston as extremely unlikely.

I think the situation lends itself to Winston getting a chance at some point, fair or not fair. The oline is a mess, Wilson on a one year deal as a 36 year old player, coaches and GM sitting on the burner, not a lot of offensive talent…all points to if they struggle to win games the coaches will be desperate to make a move (right or wrong).

 

[Big Nate]

As much as I love watching Winston chuck the ball down field he is usually only good for a couple games. I feel his a good back-up but not a great long term starter for the whole year.

 

[TheWinz]

If a combo of Jones, Lock, DeVito, and Boyle can turn Nabers into WR6 while the Giants were 28th in passing yards and last in passing TD's, I will be targeting Nabers more than Jameis!

Now you have Wilson who turned Pickens from WR29 to WR40.

Fantasy-wise I choose Winston over Wilson for Nabers, but it's pretty close. Either way, the NYG QB will be a fantasy dud, but they can support one WR1.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.

I don't know if I'd firmly state that in terms of the Giants thinking Wilson > Winston. The bottomline is that Wilson has simply had a much better career than Winston. He'll get HOF consideration and as such, his minimum price tag was going to be higher. But I'd not discount Winston breaking camp as QB1 assuming the #3 pick not used on a QB.

 

[travdogg]

Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.

I don't know if I'd firmly state that in terms of the Giants thinking Wilson > Winston. The bottomline is that Wilson has simply had a much better career than Winston. He'll get HOF consideration and as such, his minimum price tag was going to be higher. But I'd not discount Winston breaking camp as QB1 assuming the #3 pick not used on a QB.

But why?

I feel like I'm in the minority here but can't understand why. Jameis Winston at his absolute starting peak, was still not as good as current Russell Wilson. Why would the Giants spend so much more on a guy who might not start? What does Winston do better than Russ?

I'm ok with the argument that Russ is getting older and that has increased injury risk (though that doesn't mean he will get hurt) but what possible argument is there for Winston to start week 1?

 

[sm8680]

Winston has shown a willingness to take more risks with deep throws, which can lead to higher passing yardage in certain games. For example, he led the NFL in passing yards in 2019

Size and physicality. I'd also argue he might be able to galvanize his teammates more so than Russell Wilson. Russell will come in and say all the right things but behind the scenes he'll rub people the wrong way. Otherwise, he'd still be in Pittsburgh. He actually signed for less than what was initially thought.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games

Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.

Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.

I don't know if I'd firmly state that in terms of the Giants thinking Wilson > Winston. The bottomline is that Wilson has simply had a much better career than Winston. He'll get HOF consideration and as such, his minimum price tag was going to be higher. But I'd not discount Winston breaking camp as QB1 assuming the #3 pick not used on a QB.

But why?

I feel like I'm in the minority here but can't understand why. Jameis Winston at his absolute starting peak, was still not as good as current Russell Wilson. Why would the Giants spend so much more on a guy who might not start? What does Winston do better than Russ?

I'm ok with the argument that Russ is getting older and that has increased injury risk (though that doesn't mean he will get hurt) but what possible argument is there for Winston to start week 1?

1. Wilson will be 37 this year. As much as Brady/Rodgers/Brees are referred to as QB's playing into their 40's so longevity at the position is increasing...all are GOAT status types. But we've seen lesser guys start to peter out around this stage of their careers (Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Kirk Cousins). And for a QB whose mobility was a big part of their repertoire, I think we've been watching that decline with Russ for some time.

2. IMO, one factor of consideration here that I think bears mentioning is going to be chemistry with Nabors.

Jeudy w/Winston (7 starts) 69/49/786/3
Pickens w/Russ (8 starts) 59/33/537/3

Both QB's have alot of warts. To me, it will be about whose the best fit based on how they look come TC and factor #2 above.

 

[TheWinz]

For all the talk about Winston chucking it, Wilson actually has a higher yards per game average. Both can be good for Nabers.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

For all the talk about Winston chucking it, Wilson actually has a higher yards per game average. Both can be good for Nabers.

Are you counting just the games Winston started?

 

[TheWinz]

For all the talk about Winston chucking it, Wilson actually has a higher yards per game average. Both can be good for Nabers.

Are you counting just the games Winston started?

If we break it right down to yards per pass attempt, Wilson still holds a slight edge over Winston (7.7 to 7.6).

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston hoping to be part of 'paradigm shift' for Giants: 'I saw that window of opportunity open'

 

[Faust]

Assistant GM Brandon Brown appreciates trade interest, 'but Jameis [Winston] is a New York Giant'

 

[Faust]

NY Giants QB Jameis Winston Undeterred by QB3 Status

 

[Faust]

Top Bengals QB options after Joe Burrow injury include Jameis Winston

 

[Dizzy]

I don't really get the "Jameis Winston to CIN" rumors... other than it's just fun to spread rumors. Winston over Browning??? Maybe, but it is certainly debatable.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I’m not sure why NY is hanging on to Winston. They’re deactivating him on game days as their emergency QB. If he’s got career left they’re wasting it by not trading or cutting him.

 

[Dizzy]

I’m not sure why NY is hanging on to Winston. They’re deactivating him on game days as their emergency QB. If he’s got career left they’re wasting it by not trading or cutting him.

1) By all accounts, he's a great locker room guy (haven't heard the same about Russell Wilson)
2) QBs get hurt. If Dart isn't ready (coach's decision) you need another capable QB
3) It's week 2... he could have trade value later, but I really can't see any team giving up much for him.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I’m not sure why NY is hanging on to Winston. They’re deactivating him on game days as their emergency QB. If he’s got career left they’re wasting it by not trading or cutting him.

1) By all accounts, he's a great locker room guy (haven't heard the same about Russell Wilson)
2) QBs get hurt. If Dart isn't ready (coach's decision) you need another capable QB
3) It's week 2... he could have trade value later, but I really can't see any team giving up much for him.

If Dart isn’t ready, then doesn’t it make more sense to make him the emergency QB? Winston cannot enter the game unless both QBs are injured and cannot continue in the game.

Just seems like the Giants are really doing him a disservice.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I’m not sure why NY is hanging on to Winston. They’re deactivating him on game days as their emergency QB. If he’s got career left they’re wasting it by not trading or cutting him.

My guess is that they like him as the backup for Dart when the time comes for him to QB1.

 

[packer_junkie]

Jameis to Cincinatti would feed families

 

[rockaction]

I’m not sure why NY is hanging on to Winston. They’re deactivating him on game days as their emergency QB. If he’s got career left they’re wasting it by not trading or cutting him.

1) By all accounts, he's a great locker room guy (haven't heard the same about Russell Wilson)
2) QBs get hurt. If Dart isn't ready (coach's decision) you need another capable QB
3) It's week 2... he could have trade value later, but I really can't see any team giving up much for him.

If Dart isn’t ready, then doesn’t it make more sense to make him the emergency QB? Winston cannot enter the game unless both QBs are injured and cannot continue in the game.

Just seems like the Giants are really doing him a disservice.

Dart was in the game yesterday. They have packages for him that are ostensibly to help them win.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Jameis to Cincinatti would feed families

He would be the back to Jake in Cincy.