Technically true, but I don't think they feel that way.
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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (1 Viewer)
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I feel horrible for Browns’ fans then.
The Falcons acknowledged their mistake after 15 games. The Browns will be going into year 4?
No wonder…
The Frankman
Footballguy
.... C'MON!!!
DO IT!
DO ITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Nabers to the moon…
eighsse2
Footballguy
Maybe Plupiter even.
The Frankman
Footballguy
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS
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YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
Saquon predicted the future
Are you saying fans are overvaluing or undervaluing Winston and Fields?
Fans value those 2 more then NFL teams do
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
A win for FF fans and NYG fans. Winston will result in less wins than Rodgers would have imo, so NYG will get to see some fun games from Nabers as well as try to stay in the hunt for a QB of the future next year (if they pass on one early this year).
I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't draft a QB this year.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think so as well, just will matter when. If they don’t get one in the first it probably doesn’t stop them from looking next year.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Hey Rotoworld
quit trying to make Rodgers to NY happen.
I'd be a little careful about boosting Nabers too much. One thing we know about Jameis is he'll turn it over too much and get benched at some point. Doesn't even really matter what is behind him, but could come sooner than later if its a rookie, though if its Sanders, I think he'd probably start over Jameis in week 1.
Twitter: we don’t know what Travis Hunter will be!
Giants war room: we can play him 100% on offense so that when Jameis throws an interception Hunter will always be out there to go tackle the guy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Solution is to put Hunter on offense to play defense. Jameis throws it up and Hunter picks it off….first down.
It could work
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
You bring up a good point, Jameis is likely to sit at some point. I would think they sit Sanders for a few game before turning to him, unless he shows beyond what I think he can initially. A rookie behind that oline is not a recipe for success.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I have zero worries about Malik Nabers, whoever his next QB is.
I don't think anyone has worries, just more about determining where to value him in redraft. With a good QB as the clear #1 option, you could argue top 5 WR. With Jameis/likely rookie, I'd say closer to WR10.
I think the QB matters for any WR. if the QB is incapable of hitting a WR who is wide open, that will hurt the stats of your WR.
Winston probably doesnt hurt him. Team may get a pile of INT but Winston is a gunslinger. and if he ends up with 30 TD and 30 INT along with 5000 yards passing, Nabers will be just fine. Team wont be fine, but Nabers will be.
but there are some QB who would significantly hurt his numbers
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Like Daniel Jones, Drew Lock or Tommy Devito?
eighsse2
Footballguy
No, I don't. Next question.
nabers did ok with Jones I thought. but Lock/Devito.....probably. Even if winston starts he likely gets benched at least for a game or two due to too many INT so those games Nabers numbers will likely be subpar
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
The point I was making was that those three terrible QB's are about as bad a trio as you could expect to be throwing you the ball in the NFL. Hence why I'm not worried about Nabers and who his QB is and why I don't think it matters much.
Realistically he's not getting an elite QB throwing him the ball anytime soon, he'd be a very realistic WR1 overall candidate if he did. Still a WR1 for me with anyone else at QB.
Realistically he's not getting an elite QB throwing him the ball anytime soon, he'd be a very realistic WR1 overall candidate if he did. Still a WR1 for me with anyone else at QB.
Same was said about Garrett Wilson.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Nabers just had a better season than Garrett Wilson has managed in 3 years.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Sadly, giants QBs were better than the jets. Which says a lot.
But yes, Nabers >> Wilson.
rockaction
Footballguy
They weren't better than Rodgers. Not even close. They were better than Z. Wilson, but not Rodgers last year. Wilson's problem was that Rodgers force-fed everything Adams's way. I think Garrett Wilson is one of the few guys that you can really attribute his struggles to quarterback play. I'm usually wary of doing that, but Z. Wilson was just awful, and once they got Adams, Rodgers fixated on him to Wilson's detriment.
I don't think Wilson is a top five or even ten receiver in the league, but he's good and is better than he's been allowed to show. He's not consistent enough and he looks like he's on skates sometimes out there. That's my main complaint about him. But he's pretty darn good as a WR1 on a team.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
You're dreaming here with this statement my man.
Giants QB's over 17 games last year.
3398 yards - 14 tds - 12 ints - QBR 80.
Rodgers last year
3897 yards - 28 tds - 11 ints - QBR 90.5.
Double the TD total, 500 more yards.
Yeah Rodgers was not good, but he still had a more productive individual statistical season than any Giants QB for 10 years.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Ok.
Still, Rodgers was not good for Wilson, which is what I meant but didn’t write.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I think you're wrong again on that. Rodgers didn't send Wilson to the moon, but he went from scraping in as a WR2 in 2023 into a WR1 last season. That was 11 games sharing the field with Adams as well, the only time Wilson has ever had meaningful competition for targets, both of them ended up WR1's. He was good for Wilson relative to what he'd previously had.
I think everyone would be locking Nabers in the top 5 if he had Rodgers as his QB.
I think everyone would be locking Nabers in the top 5 if he had Rodgers as his QB.
I dont know about saying the Giants are better than the Jets.
Jets definitely underperformed. I'm not 100% sure what the problem there actually was. the Defense was a top Defense a year ago, but the defense really fell off badly ..... they were not a force to be reckoned with like they were the year prior.
I expected Rodgers would be a bit rusty early in the season. you cant be off for as long as he was due to injury and come back at 100% on day 1. That was never a realistic ask. but in 17 games he got just under 4000 yards, 26 TD and 11 INT. Thats at least solid enough to be a reasonable game manager. Sure its not spectacular, but if the Defense does its job this should be a playoff team if the QB is putting up those stats. I note that when I look at the schedule, they lost a lot of 1 score games so I'm guessing if they win even some of those, Rodgers is likely still in New York.
yeah, Rodgers can still throw a nice deep ball, so Nabers should be fine.
though that horrible O line in New York may hinder rodgers ability to hit him. you do need to hold the ball a little longer if you are gonna throw that ball deep and I dont know that the line is New York is up to the task.
if they draft someone who you can plug and play that will help. they signed one or two guys who dont thrill me, but may help some. though the bar is fairly low there lol. but a solid Right Tackle in the draft may allow some movement to help the line as a whole.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I posted this in the Minnesota Vikings thread about Jameis because I thought I was here. Might as well post it here.
I think the reason fans love Jameis is because he throws a nice deep ball and plays exciting. Nobody is fooling themselves that Jameis will control himself and not turn the ball over playing hero ball. You know how baseball went all analytics and it bored the hell out of fans and made the game unwatchable with the shifting and the platooning and the constant bullpen match-ups? Seems like the modern movement towards short passing and the running game is doing the same in football. Fans are looking for gunslinging quarterbacks because they're exciting. Nothing is more boring than watching a team have to piddle its way down the field against a Fangio-copied defense. I mean, you've reduced guys like Mahomes into dink and dunk guys. That's not cool to watch.
It's not fun football to watch, anyway. Jameis takes shots and fans love Jameis. Chicks dig the long ball. All that stuff goes into it.
There, you've been put on notice regarding why a crappy team's fans will rejoice at a Jameis signing. Fans of that team will get to watch exciting, sometimes competent football that is up-and-down and all around with the turnovers, too. For the moments that ball is in the air, the excitement is crazy, even when he makes one of those horrible throws into triple coverage where even the receiver wants to know what the heck he's doing. It might cost you the game, but at least it's more exciting than watching Daniel Jones miss every throw and scrape out five yards a pop with an RPO that is aesthetically unpleasing beyond a doubt.
"Ooh look, there's a fifty-yard bomb!"
"Wait, you haven't seen Daniel Jones break off five yards on the ground!"
That's why the fans love Jameis even when they groan about him. At least you feel alive for a minute and have hope.
Oh, and from a fantasy perspective? What on earth are we talking about that he hurts fantasy receivers? If you watched Jerry Jeudy last year compared to any year prior to that, you already have an inkling and can be pretty much assured that Nabers will thrive with Jameis. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Nabers benefits from him like he would an excellent QB; in fact, it's almost a near certainty. The years Jameis has started enough games he's always carried his receivers with him. Spencer Tillman? Jerry Jeudy? I mean, who the heck were these guys in fantasy before Jameis? I can tell you who they were before. Big, fat nobodies before Jameis. Godwin. Evans. Not throwing shade on names here, but Godwin and Evans had their best years with Jameis and Brady, and I'd argue that Godwin was better with Jameis. When Jameis started for the Saints, Olave had huge days.
Those hating Jameis strike me as being too smart for their own good and too much of a football purist for their own reckoning. The team that signs him and starts him will lose enough to have a high draft pick, will be in the game until the turnovers happen (whenever they come and when they don't, serendipity!), the game itself will be exciting, and all the offensive guys will benefit. What the heck is there not to like from a fantasy or fan perspective with Winston if you're not in contention for the Super Bowl?
I think the reason fans love Jameis is because he throws a nice deep ball and plays exciting. Nobody is fooling themselves that Jameis will control himself and not turn the ball over playing hero ball. You know how baseball went all analytics and it bored the hell out of fans and made the game unwatchable with the shifting and the platooning and the constant bullpen match-ups? Seems like the modern movement towards short passing and the running game is doing the same in football. Fans are looking for gunslinging quarterbacks because they're exciting. Nothing is more boring than watching a team have to piddle its way down the field against a Fangio-copied defense. I mean, you've reduced guys like Mahomes into dink and dunk guys. That's not cool to watch.
It's not fun football to watch, anyway. Jameis takes shots and fans love Jameis. Chicks dig the long ball. All that stuff goes into it.
There, you've been put on notice regarding why a crappy team's fans will rejoice at a Jameis signing. Fans of that team will get to watch exciting, sometimes competent football that is up-and-down and all around with the turnovers, too. For the moments that ball is in the air, the excitement is crazy, even when he makes one of those horrible throws into triple coverage where even the receiver wants to know what the heck he's doing. It might cost you the game, but at least it's more exciting than watching Daniel Jones miss every throw and scrape out five yards a pop with an RPO that is aesthetically unpleasing beyond a doubt.
"Ooh look, there's a fifty-yard bomb!"
"Wait, you haven't seen Daniel Jones break off five yards on the ground!"
That's why the fans love Jameis even when they groan about him. At least you feel alive for a minute and have hope.
Oh, and from a fantasy perspective? What on earth are we talking about that he hurts fantasy receivers? If you watched Jerry Jeudy last year compared to any year prior to that, you already have an inkling and can be pretty much assured that Nabers will thrive with Jameis. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Nabers benefits from him like he would an excellent QB; in fact, it's almost a near certainty. The years Jameis has started enough games he's always carried his receivers with him. Spencer Tillman? Jerry Jeudy? I mean, who the heck were these guys in fantasy before Jameis? I can tell you who they were before. Big, fat nobodies before Jameis. Godwin. Evans. Not throwing shade on names here, but Godwin and Evans had their best years with Jameis and Brady, and I'd argue that Godwin was better with Jameis. When Jameis started for the Saints, Olave had huge days.
Those hating Jameis strike me as being too smart for their own good and too much of a football purist for their own reckoning. The team that signs him and starts him will lose enough to have a high draft pick, will be in the game until the turnovers happen (whenever they come and when they don't, serendipity!), the game itself will be exciting, and all the offensive guys will benefit. What the heck is there not to like from a fantasy or fan perspective with Winston if you're not in contention for the Super Bowl?
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
Didn’t like him when he came out. He struck me as cocky.
Turns out he is goofy.
Big fan.
Turns out he is goofy.
Big fan.
this and with a QB like him you are never truly out of the game. either he will throw 3 TD in the fourth QB or it will be a spectacular blowout with 3 4th quarter INT.
but at least he goes for the W.
there is lots to like about him. if you can even just cut out the unforced errors that turn into INT, hed be startable. Thats what kills his team when hes at QB. I dont care as much about the 4th quarter INT trying to get the team back in the game. if you are losing, thats a risk you need to take.
Now you have Wilson who turned Pickens from WR29 to WR40.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
He asked God to deliver him from pick 6's, he should try that with the New York Giants now.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
Life comes at you fast. 
rockaction
Footballguy
Life comes at you fast.
Did God himself hand Russ the job? No. Only 10.5 million dollars are guaranteed, even. You never know . . .
Plus, Russ is sort of a target back there now. Watch him try to scramble away from Jalen Carter. Argh. Munch. Stomp. Unless they draft Sanders, Winston will get a start or two. Then we'll see Broadway Jameis come to town.
Russell Wilson is one of the most durable QBs in NFL history. He's missed 4 of a possible 220 games. I don't see Winston as any threat to the starting job, why would he be?Life comes at you fast.
Did God himself hand Russ the job? No. Only 10.5 million dollars are guaranteed, even. You never know . . .
Plus, Russ is sort of a target back there now. Watch him try to scramble away from Jalen Carter. Argh. Munch. Stomp. Unless they draft Sanders, Winston will get a start or two. Then we'll see Broadway Jameis come to town.
rockaction
Footballguy
Russell Wilson is also getting much older and missed four games last year. The ones Justin Fields started. And it would have been more if he hadn't pulled his calf muscle early in camp.
Winston might be a better quarterback right now than Wilson. The Giants don't think so. Most teams don't. We'll see. I doubt it, too, but the combination of effectiveness and injury are likely to cause Jameis to have to start a game or two along the way.
Yeah, I think the crux here is we have different opinions on how good Winston is. I'd probably rank him around QB45 or so and consider him a middling backup.
I don't think Wilson is some amazing QB anymore, but I struggle to see what Winston does better. Wilson has a better deep ball, makes better decisions, and is more accurate. They both take too many sacks. Maybe Wilson gets hurt I guess, but I'd put the odds at Wilson getting benched for Winston as extremely unlikely.
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