QB Jameis Winston, NYG (9 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

It does not appear you've been watching him play

Please with this kind of comment

Feel free to defend his performance

 

[Harry Frogfish]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

 

[Zow]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's still incredibly exciting. The guy slings it and creates a ton of touchdowns and interceptions - two very exciting plays.

 

[Zow]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's still incredibly exciting. The guy slings it and creates a ton of touchdowns and interceptions - two very exciting plays.

If that floats your boat, good for you. So quantity over quality? Too bad no more XFL, but the WWF seems "incredibly exciting" if you're looking for action.

I was just trying to answer your question. While I wouldn't want him QBing my team, he is objectively exciting because basically anything is in play when he drops back.

WWF/WWE is a distinguishable comparison because it's pre-determined. When Jameis drops back, nothing at all is pre-determined and a myriad of results could occur.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's still incredibly exciting. The guy slings it and creates a ton of touchdowns and interceptions - two very exciting plays.

If that floats your boat, good for you. So quantity over quality? Too bad no more XFL, but the WWF seems "incredibly exciting" if you're looking for action.

I was just trying to answer your question. While I wouldn't want him QBing my team, he is objectively exciting because basically anything is in play when he drops back.

WWF/WWE is a distinguishable comparison because it's pre-determined. When Jameis drops back, nothing at all is pre-determined and a myriad of results could occur.

Look, he's a joke. The wide-eyed, yelling/preaching thing is not for me is all. Especially given the results. His act is tired, it's played out.

But hey, for whatever incredible excitement that still offers you, great, have at it.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Please don't do this.

 

[Capella]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

You are confusing good with exciting.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

You are confusing good with exciting.

Semantics and whatnot, I'll settle on general disdain. Either way, it's nowhere near incredibly exciting to me.

 

[ChiefD]

I started calling him Cousin Eddie during the game against the Chiefs.

The gift that keeps on givin'.

 

[-OZ-]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

You are confusing good with exciting.

Semantics and whatnot, I'll settle on general disdain. Either way, it's nowhere near incredibly exciting to me.

some of us find deep passes exciting, or interceptions. If you’re more entertained by short dump offs and 4 yard runs, cool. To each their own.
Fwiw, I’m not a fan of Winston but he definitely made the Browns a lot more watchable than Watson.

 

[Buckna]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's great for fantasy stats for pass catchers. One of the reasons I grabbed Jeudy and really wanted Cooper (obviously before he was traded) in a few spots this year when they were cheap. Figured he would get a shot at some point with how bad Watson has been. Didn't count on him getting benched himself which was poor judgment in hindsight because he's always been a turnover machine.

 

[Grahamburn]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

I agree except for the bolded. I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching. This is about getting a better draft spot. They pick 7th right now, and the Patriots (3rd) Jaguars (4th) Panthers (5th) are all still trying to win games. I think the Browns would love to end up with Travis Hunter or Mason Graham, with the expectation QBs go 1-2.

ETA: Does suck for Winston, who again proved he's an ideal backup, who can move the ball against most defenses, even if he does turn it over. He'll have zero problems finding a backup job this offseason.

Who's going to play QB though?!

Unfortunately, they are stuck with Watson. They literally can't do anything else. If they dumped him, his dead cap hit would be about 65% of their salary cap.

Stuck with him in terms of paying him, but they don't have to play him.

 

[travdogg]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

I agree except for the bolded. I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching. This is about getting a better draft spot. They pick 7th right now, and the Patriots (3rd) Jaguars (4th) Panthers (5th) are all still trying to win games. I think the Browns would love to end up with Travis Hunter or Mason Graham, with the expectation QBs go 1-2.

ETA: Does suck for Winston, who again proved he's an ideal backup, who can move the ball against most defenses, even if he does turn it over. He'll have zero problems finding a backup job this offseason.

Who's going to play QB though?!

Unfortunately, they are stuck with Watson. They literally can't do anything else. If they dumped him, his dead cap hit would be about 65% of their salary cap.

Stuck with him in terms of paying him, but they don't have to play him.

Technically true, but I don't think they feel that way.

 

[Grahamburn]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

I agree except for the bolded. I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching. This is about getting a better draft spot. They pick 7th right now, and the Patriots (3rd) Jaguars (4th) Panthers (5th) are all still trying to win games. I think the Browns would love to end up with Travis Hunter or Mason Graham, with the expectation QBs go 1-2.

ETA: Does suck for Winston, who again proved he's an ideal backup, who can move the ball against most defenses, even if he does turn it over. He'll have zero problems finding a backup job this offseason.

Who's going to play QB though?!

Unfortunately, they are stuck with Watson. They literally can't do anything else. If they dumped him, his dead cap hit would be about 65% of their salary cap.

Stuck with him in terms of paying him, but they don't have to play him.

Technically true, but I don't think they feel that way.

I feel horrible for Browns’ fans then.

The Falcons acknowledged their mistake after 15 games. The Browns will be going into year 4?

No wonder…

 

[Faust]

Browns QB Jameis Winston aiming to limit critical errors: 'That's the part of my game I have to really master'

 

[The Frankman]

NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports free agent QB Jameis Winston is scheduled to meet with the Giants on Tuesday.

The Giants continue to wait for a decision from Aaron Rodgers, but they aren’t letting this hold-up stop them from exploring other options. Having already met with Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson, the Giants are now setting their sights on Winston, who threw for 2,121-13-12 in 12 games with the Browns last season. The former No. 1 overall pick wouldn’t be expected to solve any long-term issues for the Giants’ quarterback conundrum, but he would provide a solid veteran presence for whatever young quarterback they bring in. Winston would also give Malik Nabers a chance to thrive as long as he’s under center.

.... C'MON!!!

DO IT!

DO ITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports free agent QB Jameis Winston is scheduled to meet with the Giants on Tuesday.

The Giants continue to wait for a decision from Aaron Rodgers, but they aren’t letting this hold-up stop them from exploring other options. Having already met with Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson, the Giants are now setting their sights on Winston, who threw for 2,121-13-12 in 12 games with the Browns last season. The former No. 1 overall pick wouldn’t be expected to solve any long-term issues for the Giants’ quarterback conundrum, but he would provide a solid veteran presence for whatever young quarterback they bring in. Winston would also give Malik Nabers a chance to thrive as long as he’s under center.

.... C'MON!!!

DO IT!

DO ITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

Nabers to the moon…

 

[menobrown]

Jameis has left the building.

 

[eighsse2]

NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports free agent QB Jameis Winston is scheduled to meet with the Giants on Tuesday.

The Giants continue to wait for a decision from Aaron Rodgers, but they aren’t letting this hold-up stop them from exploring other options. Having already met with Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson, the Giants are now setting their sights on Winston, who threw for 2,121-13-12 in 12 games with the Browns last season. The former No. 1 overall pick wouldn’t be expected to solve any long-term issues for the Giants’ quarterback conundrum, but he would provide a solid veteran presence for whatever young quarterback they bring in. Winston would also give Malik Nabers a chance to thrive as long as he’s under center.

.... C'MON!!!

DO IT!

DO ITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

Nabers to the moon…

Maybe Plupiter even.

 

[The Frankman]

https://x.com/schultz_report/status/1903230407790702742?t=2io1YhzTqhtijryQ4jU7MA

Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
BREAKING: The #Giants and QB Jameis Winston are finalizing a 2-year, $8M deal, which could be up to $16M with incentives, multiple sources tell @NFLonFOX

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS

...

YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

 

[travdogg]

https://x.com/schultz_report/status/1903230407790702742?t=2io1YhzTqhtijryQ4jU7MA

Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
BREAKING: The #Giants and QB Jameis Winston are finalizing a 2-year, $8M deal, which could be up to $16M with incentives, multiple sources tell @NFLonFOX

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS

...

YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

Saquon predicted the future

 

[menobrown]

2 years of Jameis for just $8m, man.

Not sure there is a bigger disconnect between how much NFL fans value a QB and vs how much NFL teams value one. I’d say Fields is probably next.

 

[Joe Bryant]

2 years of Jameis for just $8m, man.

Not sure there is a bigger disconnect between how much NFL fans value a QB and vs how much NFL teams value one. I’d say Fields is probably next.

Are you saying fans are overvaluing or undervaluing Winston and Fields?

 

[menobrown]

2 years of Jameis for just $8m, man.

Not sure there is a bigger disconnect between how much NFL fans value a QB and vs how much NFL teams value one. I’d say Fields is probably next.

Are you saying fans are overvaluing or undervaluing Winston and Fields?

Fans value those 2 more then NFL teams do

 

[King of the Jungle]

A win for FF fans and NYG fans. Winston will result in less wins than Rodgers would have imo, so NYG will get to see some fun games from Nabers as well as try to stay in the hunt for a QB of the future next year (if they pass on one early this year).

 

[travdogg]

A win for FF fans and NYG fans. Winston will result in less wins than Rodgers would have imo, so NYG will get to see some fun games from Nabers as well as try to stay in the hunt for a QB of the future next year (if they pass on one early this year).

I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't draft a QB this year.

 

[King of the Jungle]

A win for FF fans and NYG fans. Winston will result in less wins than Rodgers would have imo, so NYG will get to see some fun games from Nabers as well as try to stay in the hunt for a QB of the future next year (if they pass on one early this year).

I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't draft a QB this year.

I think so as well, just will matter when. If they don’t get one in the first it probably doesn’t stop them from looking next year.

 

[The Frankman]

Giants signed QB Jameis Winston to a two-year, $8 million contract.

Although the Giants are undoubtedly tired of waiting on fellow free agent Aaron Rodgers, this hardly precludes his signing. Winston’s deal is modest even for a backup, especially one with his box scores and experience. He’s a seat warmer/emergency option for a team that had only Tommy DeVito under contract at the most important position. The question now becomes if he will be a clipboard holder or bridge option. It will be the former if Rodgers comes board. The latter if the G-Men take a Day 1 rookie QB. Our money is on the latter, as it’s unlikely the Giants would want a quarterback room with a pair of players on the wrong side of 30. Now 31, Winston proved last season he’s an old dog who won’t be learning any tricks. He slings it all over the yard, interceptions and all. He’s an “any given Sunday” No. 2 option, but a poor bet as a multi-month starter.
Source: Jordan Schultz

Hey Rotoworld

quit trying to make Rodgers to NY happen.

 

[ffmail4me]

Nabers owners should LOVE the Winston signing. He won't be afraid to chuck it to his alpha.

 

[travdogg]

Nabers owners should LOVE the Winston signing. He won't be afraid to chuck it to his alpha.

I'd be a little careful about boosting Nabers too much. One thing we know about Jameis is he'll turn it over too much and get benched at some point. Doesn't even really matter what is behind him, but could come sooner than later if its a rookie, though if its Sanders, I think he'd probably start over Jameis in week 1.

 

[IHEARTFF]

https://x.com/jmthrivept/status/1903478956457886185?s=46&t=9oKtmJHDoP7RI73tVP3j0Q

Twitter: we don’t know what Travis Hunter will be!

Giants war room: we can play him 100% on offense so that when Jameis throws an interception Hunter will always be out there to go tackle the guy

 

[King of the Jungle]

https://x.com/jmthrivept/status/1903478956457886185?s=46&t=9oKtmJHDoP7RI73tVP3j0Q

Twitter: we don’t know what Travis Hunter will be!

Giants war room: we can play him 100% on offense so that when Jameis throws an interception Hunter will always be out there to go tackle the guy

Solution is to put Hunter on offense to play defense. Jameis throws it up and Hunter picks it off….first down.

 

[IHEARTFF]

https://x.com/jmthrivept/status/1903478956457886185?s=46&t=9oKtmJHDoP7RI73tVP3j0Q

Twitter: we don’t know what Travis Hunter will be!

Giants war room: we can play him 100% on offense so that when Jameis throws an interception Hunter will always be out there to go tackle the guy

Solution is to put Hunter on offense to play defense. Jameis throws it up and Hunter picks it off….first down.

It could work

 

[King of the Jungle]

Nabers owners should LOVE the Winston signing. He won't be afraid to chuck it to his alpha.

I'd be a little careful about boosting Nabers too much. One thing we know about Jameis is he'll turn it over too much and get benched at some point. Doesn't even really matter what is behind him, but could come sooner than later if its a rookie, though if its Sanders, I think he'd probably start over Jameis in week 1.

You bring up a good point, Jameis is likely to sit at some point. I would think they sit Sanders for a few game before turning to him, unless he shows beyond what I think he can initially. A rookie behind that oline is not a recipe for success.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I have zero worries about Malik Nabers, whoever his next QB is.

 

[travdogg]

I have zero worries about Malik Nabers, whoever his next QB is.

I don't think anyone has worries, just more about determining where to value him in redraft. With a good QB as the clear #1 option, you could argue top 5 WR. With Jameis/likely rookie, I'd say closer to WR10.

 

[Ray_T]

I have zero worries about Malik Nabers, whoever his next QB is.

I think the QB matters for any WR. if the QB is incapable of hitting a WR who is wide open, that will hurt the stats of your WR.

Winston probably doesnt hurt him. Team may get a pile of INT but Winston is a gunslinger. and if he ends up with 30 TD and 30 INT along with 5000 yards passing, Nabers will be just fine. Team wont be fine, but Nabers will be.

but there are some QB who would significantly hurt his numbers

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Like Daniel Jones, Drew Lock or Tommy Devito?

 

[eighsse2]

Like Daniel Jones, Drew Lock or Tommy Devito?

No, I don't. Next question.

 

[Ray_T]

Like Daniel Jones, Drew Lock or Tommy Devito?

nabers did ok with Jones I thought. but Lock/Devito.....probably. Even if winston starts he likely gets benched at least for a game or two due to too many INT so those games Nabers numbers will likely be subpar

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

The point I was making was that those three terrible QB's are about as bad a trio as you could expect to be throwing you the ball in the NFL. Hence why I'm not worried about Nabers and who his QB is and why I don't think it matters much.

Realistically he's not getting an elite QB throwing him the ball anytime soon, he'd be a very realistic WR1 overall candidate if he did. Still a WR1 for me with anyone else at QB.

 

[JoeJoe88]

I have zero worries about Malik Nabers, whoever his next QB is.

Same was said about Garrett Wilson.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Same was said about Garrett Wilson.

Nabers just had a better season than Garrett Wilson has managed in 3 years.

 

[-OZ-]

Same was said about Garrett Wilson.

Nabers just had a better season than Garrett Wilson has managed in 3 years.

Sadly, giants QBs were better than the jets. Which says a lot.

But yes, Nabers >> Wilson.

 

[rockaction]

Sadly, giants QBs were better than the jets. Which says a lot.

They weren't better than Rodgers. Not even close. They were better than Z. Wilson, but not Rodgers last year. Wilson's problem was that Rodgers force-fed everything Adams's way. I think Garrett Wilson is one of the few guys that you can really attribute his struggles to quarterback play. I'm usually wary of doing that, but Z. Wilson was just awful, and once they got Adams, Rodgers fixated on him to Wilson's detriment.

I don't think Wilson is a top five or even ten receiver in the league, but he's good and is better than he's been allowed to show. He's not consistent enough and he looks like he's on skates sometimes out there. That's my main complaint about him. But he's pretty darn good as a WR1 on a team.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Sadly, giants QBs were better than the jets. Which says a lot.

You're dreaming here with this statement my man.

Giants QB's over 17 games last year.

3398 yards - 14 tds - 12 ints - QBR 80.

Rodgers last year

3897 yards - 28 tds - 11 ints - QBR 90.5.

Double the TD total, 500 more yards.

Yeah Rodgers was not good, but he still had a more productive individual statistical season than any Giants QB for 10 years.

 

[-OZ-]

Sadly, giants QBs were better than the jets. Which says a lot.

They weren't better than Rodgers. Not even close. They were better than Z. Wilson, but not Rodgers last year. Wilson's problem was that Rodgers force-fed everything Adams's way. I think Garrett Wilson is one of the few guys that you can really attribute his struggles to quarterback play. I'm usually wary of doing that, but Z. Wilson was just awful, and once they got Adams, Rodgers fixated on him to Wilson's detriment.

I don't think Wilson is a top five or even ten receiver in the league, but he's good and is better than he's been allowed to show. He's not consistent enough and he looks like he's on skates sometimes out there. That's my main complaint about him. But he's pretty darn good as a WR1 on a team.

Sadly, giants QBs were better than the jets. Which says a lot.

You're dreaming here with this statement my man.

Giants QB's over 17 games last year.

3398 yards - 14 tds - 12 ints - QBR 80.

Rodgers last year

3897 yards - 28 tds - 11 ints - QBR 90.5.

Double the TD total, 500 more yards.

Yeah Rodgers was not good, but he still had a more productive individual statistical season than any Giants QB for 10 years.

Ok.
Still, Rodgers was not good for Wilson, which is what I meant but didn’t write.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I think you're wrong again on that. Rodgers didn't send Wilson to the moon, but he went from scraping in as a WR2 in 2023 into a WR1 last season. That was 11 games sharing the field with Adams as well, the only time Wilson has ever had meaningful competition for targets, both of them ended up WR1's. He was good for Wilson relative to what he'd previously had.

I think everyone would be locking Nabers in the top 5 if he had Rodgers as his QB.

 

[Ray_T]

Same was said about Garrett Wilson.

Nabers just had a better season than Garrett Wilson has managed in 3 years.

Sadly, giants QBs were better than the jets. Which says a lot.

But yes, Nabers >> Wilson.

I dont know about saying the Giants are better than the Jets.

Jets definitely underperformed. I'm not 100% sure what the problem there actually was. the Defense was a top Defense a year ago, but the defense really fell off badly ..... they were not a force to be reckoned with like they were the year prior.

I expected Rodgers would be a bit rusty early in the season. you cant be off for as long as he was due to injury and come back at 100% on day 1. That was never a realistic ask. but in 17 games he got just under 4000 yards, 26 TD and 11 INT. Thats at least solid enough to be a reasonable game manager. Sure its not spectacular, but if the Defense does its job this should be a playoff team if the QB is putting up those stats. I note that when I look at the schedule, they lost a lot of 1 score games so I'm guessing if they win even some of those, Rodgers is likely still in New York.

 

[Ray_T]

I think you're wrong again on that. Rodgers didn't send Wilson to the moon, but he went from scraping in as a WR2 in 2023 into a WR1 last season. That was 11 games sharing the field with Adams as well, the only time Wilson has ever had meaningful competition for targets, both of them ended up WR1's. He was good for Wilson relative to what he'd previously had.

I think everyone would be locking Nabers in the top 5 if he had Rodgers as his QB.

yeah, Rodgers can still throw a nice deep ball, so Nabers should be fine.

though that horrible O line in New York may hinder rodgers ability to hit him. you do need to hold the ball a little longer if you are gonna throw that ball deep and I dont know that the line is New York is up to the task.

if they draft someone who you can plug and play that will help. they signed one or two guys who dont thrill me, but may help some. though the bar is fairly low there lol. but a solid Right Tackle in the draft may allow some movement to help the line as a whole.