QB Jameis Winston, NYG (4 Viewers)

[btemp]

I mean you know what you get with Winston. This shouldn't surprise anyone at all. After all, he's in the 30-30 club.

But with the season for sure lost, may as well move to DTR to see what you have there.

 

[Acrobat7]

Jameis is going to have those kind of days where there isn't any garbage time. It’s just garbage.

Then he won't be starting for long.

Developing Dorian Thompson-Robinson isn’t really the way to go, either. The Browns are in a hell that the Jets are all too-aware of. They’re in washed-up quarterback hell.

The question is if they will (try to) tank. DTR gives them a better shot at a good draft pick...

 

[MAC_32]

Jameis is going to have those kind of days where there isn't any garbage time. It’s just garbage.

Then he won't be starting for long.

Developing Dorian Thompson-Robinson isn’t really the way to go, either. The Browns are in a hell that the Jets are all too-aware of. They’re in washed-up quarterback hell.

The question is if they will (try to) tank. DTR gives them a better shot at a good draft pick...

If DTR starts, and does well, then that presents options for the team this offseason. If DTR starts, and plays poorly, then the team is better positioned to get the next QB. If Jameis starts, we will likely win just enough games to be out of position to draft a QB. If there's any market for him, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a different team within the next 36 hours.

 

[FarFromHome]

Winston headed back to the dome to get revenge on a battered Saints team.

 

[-OZ-]

And the party is over.

The after party began.

 

[Kiddnets]

Winston has been light years better than Watson. If he continues in anything close to what hes been doing they have to make the switch and find a way to keep Winston right?

 

[Faust]

Browns' Jameis Winston dove in to the end zone for TD, and the battery on his helmet popped out

 

[MAC_32]

Winston has been light years better than Watson. If he continues in anything close to what hes been doing they have to make the switch and find a way to keep Winston right?

No, he's not a priority, but he may be a useful bridge. To what? A question for February. Committing to entertaining, volatile, and ultimately average at best outcomes isn't a viable path forward.

 

[SoBeDad]

No, he's not a priority, but he may be a useful bridge. To what? A question for February. Committing to entertaining, volatile, and ultimately average at best outcomes isn't a viable path forward.

Some QBs with a poor start to their careers have improved with time and a change of scenery. Geno Smith comes to mind. Fitzpatrick had a top QBR with Miami.

In redraft, a question for some is how good will he be in week 14 @ PIT, when CJ, Lamar, Bo, Jayden, and AR are on byes.

 

[BassNBrew]

Somebody needs to give this guy an offseason as #1 and then a full year run.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

My opinion on JW has changed a lot over the years.

He might be my current favorite player. I've been listening to a lot of ADHD podcast material and it seems like it fits him to a tee. He's intense and full of energy and joy for life. I think he was probably misunderstood by others and most likely himself for years and now has discovered who he is, what he's good at and is just loving his life. I'm a huge fan.

I don't know if he's good enough to lead a team to a SB win but he's an interesting contrast with Watson who's lifeless husk is still probably looking for a host to feed of of for a while.

 

[MAC_32]

No, he's not a priority, but he may be a useful bridge. To what? A question for February. Committing to entertaining, volatile, and ultimately average at best outcomes isn't a viable path forward.

Some QBs with a poor start to their careers have improved with time and a change of scenery. Geno Smith comes to mind. Fitzpatrick had a top QBR with Miami.

Just to be clear, I'm not a QB-winz guy. But since you singled out those 2 I think it's important to note than that while the Geno Smith resurgence has been a great story, his teams have gone 9-8 twice with one playoff appearance (multiple score loss), and are on pace for the same this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe a Ryan Fitzpatrick led team ever made the playoffs. Were any of his teams legit contenders outside of the 15 Jets? And that season still topped out as a 31 TD 15 INT QB. While the sample size is small for Geno, put the 2 together, and you have a rather large one- 1 playoff appearance, 1 loss.

Which is exactly what I'm talking about- is entertaining, volatile, and with ultimately average at best outcomes a desired expectation. The lack of question mark is intentional.

 

[Grahamburn]

Jameis rules.

 

[BassNBrew]

No, he's not a priority, but he may be a useful bridge. To what? A question for February. Committing to entertaining, volatile, and ultimately average at best outcomes isn't a viable path forward.

Some QBs with a poor start to their careers have improved with time and a change of scenery. Geno Smith comes to mind. Fitzpatrick had a top QBR with Miami.

Just to be clear, I'm not a QB-winz guy. But since you singled out those 2 I think it's important to note than that while the Geno Smith resurgence has been a great story, his teams have gone 9-8 twice with one playoff appearance (multiple score loss), and are on pace for the same this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe a Ryan Fitzpatrick led team ever made the playoffs. Were any of his teams legit contenders outside of the 15 Jets? And that season still topped out as a 31 TD 15 INT QB. While the sample size is small for Geno, put the 2 together, and you have a rather large one- 1 playoff appearance, 1 loss.

Which is exactly what I'm talking about- is entertaining, volatile, and with ultimately average at best outcomes a desired expectation. The lack of question mark is intentional.

Mayfield, Goff, potentially Darnold.

You may be right about Winston, but what's the harm in committing for 2025 and maybe drafting a QB that you like that's going to sit for a year or two like Love or Phenix (sp but to lazy to look it up).

 

[-OZ-]

My opinion on JW has changed a lot over the years.

He might be my current favorite player. I've been listening to a lot of ADHD podcast material and it seems like it fits him to a tee. He's intense and full of energy and joy for life. I think he was probably misunderstood by others and most likely himself for years and now has discovered who he is, what he's good at and is just loving his life. I'm a huge fan.

I don't know if he's good enough to lead a team to a SB win but he's an interesting contrast with Watson who's lifeless husk is still probably looking for a host to feed of of for a while.

the Browns have managed for the second year in a row to go from an embarrassment everyone* wants to see fail to a team many of us want to see succeed. Just by one player getting injured.

 

[Krilons Resa]

One of the more entertaining players in the NFL. His interviews alone make him a National Treasure. I'm rooting for the dude but fully expect him to have a rough start next week in Denver, especially if Tillman misses the game.

 

[MAC_32]

No, he's not a priority, but he may be a useful bridge. To what? A question for February. Committing to entertaining, volatile, and ultimately average at best outcomes isn't a viable path forward.

Some QBs with a poor start to their careers have improved with time and a change of scenery. Geno Smith comes to mind. Fitzpatrick had a top QBR with Miami.

Just to be clear, I'm not a QB-winz guy. But since you singled out those 2 I think it's important to note than that while the Geno Smith resurgence has been a great story, his teams have gone 9-8 twice with one playoff appearance (multiple score loss), and are on pace for the same this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe a Ryan Fitzpatrick led team ever made the playoffs. Were any of his teams legit contenders outside of the 15 Jets? And that season still topped out as a 31 TD 15 INT QB. While the sample size is small for Geno, put the 2 together, and you have a rather large one- 1 playoff appearance, 1 loss.

Which is exactly what I'm talking about- is entertaining, volatile, and with ultimately average at best outcomes a desired expectation. The lack of question mark is intentional.

Mayfield, Goff, potentially Darnold.

You may be right about Winston, but what's the harm in committing for 2025 and maybe drafting a QB that you like that's going to sit for a year or two like Love or Phenix (sp but to lazy to look it up).

In what you quoted I said he may be a useful bridge

 

[Dez]

What could have the Browns done with 3 1st round picks and $230 Million clearly Flacco and Winston have been better than Watson

 

[The Frankman]

just so he gets some ink

Jameis Winston completed 34-of-58 passes for 497 yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions in the Browns’ 41-32, Week 13 loss to the Broncos, adding 11 yards on three carries.

Winston set a career high with 497 yards, which also now stands as a Browns franchise record for pass yards in a regular season game. To ensure we got the full Jameis experience, he also threw three interceptions, two of which were returned for touchdowns. The second pick-six came with under two minutes to play with the team down by two points while his final pick came on the following possession after a defensive pass interference penalty gave the Browns the ball at the two yard line. Even so, it was a remarkable performance from the veteran signal caller that is playing this season a one-year deal. Up next for Winston and the Browns are the Steelers on the road in Week 14.
- Rotoworld

The man was responsible for 6 TDs; four for his team and 2 for the other. Always nice to see a guy with 25-30 pt. fantasy point potential.

 

[davidwb]

The most entertaining player in the NFL.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

The most entertaining player in the NFL.

Did you get into the XFL by chance?

 

[Faust]

Browns still to start Jameis Winston after being eliminated

 

[Faust]

Scott Petrak ct
#Browns make switch to QB Dorian Thompson-Robinson.
Jameis Winston threw 3 INTs and has 8 in last 3 games.

x.com

x.com

 

[Ghost Rider]

Remember when some in the media acted like the Browns could have contended for a playoff spot if they had started this guy all season?

 

[zamboni]

Benched for DTR.

It was a good run for Jamies until he turned back into that pumpkin.

 

[menobrown]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Bummer as the rest of schedule looks pretty James friendly

 

[zamboni]

Bummer as the rest of schedule looks pretty James friendly

Agreed - and there’s likely collateral damage for Jeudy, in particular, and the other pass catchers who were really benefiting from Jamies back there.

 

[JohnnyU]

Bummer as the rest of schedule looks pretty James friendly

Agreed - and there’s likely collateral damage for Jeudy, in particular, and the other pass catchers who were really benefiting from Jamies back there.

Winston is a better option than DTR, but that's not the point. They want to see more of DTR and winning games probably isn't high on their priority list.

 

[BlackCrowes]

rats. was still considering him against CIN

 

[Grahamburn]

Scott Petrak ct
#Browns make switch to QB Dorian Thompson-Robinson.
Jameis Winston threw 3 INTs and has 8 in last 3 games.

x.com

x.com

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

 

[travdogg]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

I agree except for the bolded. I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching. This is about getting a better draft spot. They pick 7th right now, and the Patriots (3rd) Jaguars (4th) Panthers (5th) are all still trying to win games. I think the Browns would love to end up with Travis Hunter or Mason Graham, with the expectation QBs go 1-2.

ETA: Does suck for Winston, who again proved he's an ideal backup, who can move the ball against most defenses, even if he does turn it over. He'll have zero problems finding a backup job this offseason.

 

[Grahamburn]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

I agree except for the bolded. I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching. This is about getting a better draft spot. They pick 7th right now, and the Patriots (3rd) Jaguars (4th) Panthers (5th) are all still trying to win games. I think the Browns would love to end up with Travis Hunter or Mason Graham, with the expectation QBs go 1-2.

ETA: Does suck for Winston, who again proved he's an ideal backup, who can move the ball against most defenses, even if he does turn it over. He'll have zero problems finding a backup job this offseason.

Who's going to play QB though?!

 

[menobrown]

I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching.

I really don't think so. From what I've been hearing ever since Watson went down was that at some point this year they would be starting DTR to see if they have anything. Personally I've seen enough to conclude you don't have anything but this team might have the bleakest 2-3 season outlook I've ever seen a team have and they are going to have to fill in a bunch of holes with cheap contract players. My guess is they want to see if he can at least be acceptable as a #2 next year. Expected this for weeks, was just hoping it would happen after the Cincy game.

 

[travdogg]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

I agree except for the bolded. I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching. This is about getting a better draft spot. They pick 7th right now, and the Patriots (3rd) Jaguars (4th) Panthers (5th) are all still trying to win games. I think the Browns would love to end up with Travis Hunter or Mason Graham, with the expectation QBs go 1-2.

ETA: Does suck for Winston, who again proved he's an ideal backup, who can move the ball against most defenses, even if he does turn it over. He'll have zero problems finding a backup job this offseason.

Who's going to play QB though?!

Unfortunately, they are stuck with Watson. They literally can't do anything else. If they dumped him, his dead cap hit would be about 65% of their salary cap.

 

[-OZ-]

I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching.

I really don't think so. From what I've been hearing ever since Watson went down was that at some point this year they would be starting DTR to see if they have anything. Personally I've seen enough to conclude you don't have anything but this team might have the bleakest 2-3 season outlook I've ever seen a team have and they are going to have to fill in a bunch of holes with cheap contract players. My guess is they want to see if he can at least be acceptable as a #2 next year. Expected this for weeks, was just hoping it would happen after the Cincy game.

This.
I think they might draft a QB day 3, possibly 2nd round if DTR looks like he has. But if he looks competent maybe not.

 

[MAC_32]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

It does not appear you've been watching him play

 

[menobrown]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

It does not appear you've been watching him play

Please with this kind of comment

 

[MAC_32]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

It does not appear you've been watching him play

Please with this kind of comment

Feel free to defend his performance

 

[Harry Frogfish]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

 

[Zow]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's still incredibly exciting. The guy slings it and creates a ton of touchdowns and interceptions - two very exciting plays.

 

[Zow]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's still incredibly exciting. The guy slings it and creates a ton of touchdowns and interceptions - two very exciting plays.

If that floats your boat, good for you. So quantity over quality? Too bad no more XFL, but the WWF seems "incredibly exciting" if you're looking for action.

I was just trying to answer your question. While I wouldn't want him QBing my team, he is objectively exciting because basically anything is in play when he drops back.

WWF/WWE is a distinguishable comparison because it's pre-determined. When Jameis drops back, nothing at all is pre-determined and a myriad of results could occur.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's still incredibly exciting. The guy slings it and creates a ton of touchdowns and interceptions - two very exciting plays.

If that floats your boat, good for you. So quantity over quality? Too bad no more XFL, but the WWF seems "incredibly exciting" if you're looking for action.

I was just trying to answer your question. While I wouldn't want him QBing my team, he is objectively exciting because basically anything is in play when he drops back.

WWF/WWE is a distinguishable comparison because it's pre-determined. When Jameis drops back, nothing at all is pre-determined and a myriad of results could occur.

Look, he's a joke. The wide-eyed, yelling/preaching thing is not for me is all. Especially given the results. His act is tired, it's played out.

But hey, for whatever incredible excitement that still offers you, great, have at it.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Please don't do this.

 

[Capella]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

You are confusing good with exciting.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

You are confusing good with exciting.

Semantics and whatnot, I'll settle on general disdain. Either way, it's nowhere near incredibly exciting to me.

 

[ChiefD]

I started calling him Cousin Eddie during the game against the Chiefs.

The gift that keeps on givin'.

 

[-OZ-]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

You are confusing good with exciting.

Semantics and whatnot, I'll settle on general disdain. Either way, it's nowhere near incredibly exciting to me.

some of us find deep passes exciting, or interceptions. If you’re more entertained by short dump offs and 4 yard runs, cool. To each their own.
Fwiw, I’m not a fan of Winston but he definitely made the Browns a lot more watchable than Watson.

 

[Buckna]

It wasn't long ago in here when he was like the most exciting player in the NFL. I mean, it's bizarre how people still love(d) him. Or how that even started.

Does it have to do with the pre-game song and dance? The interviews/hype? The incessant preaching? The failed attempts at rallying his teams?

Or wait, "the Lord delivering him from throwing Pick 6's"?! Would love to know.

He's great for fantasy stats for pass catchers. One of the reasons I grabbed Jeudy and really wanted Cooper (obviously before he was traded) in a few spots this year when they were cheap. Figured he would get a shot at some point with how bad Watson has been. Didn't count on him getting benched himself which was poor judgment in hindsight because he's always been a turnover machine.

 

[Grahamburn]

I feel like Jameis got a raw deal along with his fantasy owners and likely fantasy owners of Browns pass catchers.

Since getting the gig he went through a nasty gauntlet of tough defenses, only one that was a little suspect was the Saints. In order he faced Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers, Denver, Steelers and Chiefs.

Then he gets the Bengals, by far his easiest matchup of the year and he gets benched.

Feel like this was more about strategy of wanting to put DTR in a good position then it has to do with how Winston has been playing.

I agree except for the bolded. I think DTR himself is somewhat irrelevant to this benching. This is about getting a better draft spot. They pick 7th right now, and the Patriots (3rd) Jaguars (4th) Panthers (5th) are all still trying to win games. I think the Browns would love to end up with Travis Hunter or Mason Graham, with the expectation QBs go 1-2.

ETA: Does suck for Winston, who again proved he's an ideal backup, who can move the ball against most defenses, even if he does turn it over. He'll have zero problems finding a backup job this offseason.

Who's going to play QB though?!

Unfortunately, they are stuck with Watson. They literally can't do anything else. If they dumped him, his dead cap hit would be about 65% of their salary cap.

Stuck with him in terms of paying him, but they don't have to play him.