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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (3 Viewers)

NeverEnough said:
How many more times will he be benched before the season ends? Oof
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Fitz started 4 games and was benched.

Winston started 3 games and was benched.

Fitz started 3 games and was benched.

Winston has started 1 game so...... week 14 or 15?

In reality he will be fine if he continues to play this way (big if)...... be selective taking chances down the field, check down when necessary (TEs and RBs had 10 catches), be comfortable punting and playing the field position game.  Obviously all of that is easier to do when the defense is actually getting some stops.

 
Synthesizer said:
Fitz started 4 games and was benched.

Winston started 3 games and was benched.

Fitz started 3 games and was benched.

Winston has started 1 game so...... week 14 or 15?

In reality he will be fine if he continues to play this way (big if)...... be selective taking chances down the field, check down when necessary (TEs and RBs had 10 catches), be comfortable punting and playing the field position game.  Obviously all of that is easier to do when the defense is actually getting some stops.
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and that right there has been the general problem with Winston and Bucs quarterbacks in general. The defense has been so historically bad that they are usually come from behind Road. Well that's good for passing yards and there will be some touchdowns and when I called garbage time, and also lets defenses become more opportunities with pass-rush and leads to more turnovers as well. Somebody like Jameis who has such a winning competitive Street will still try to force the ball in an attempt to win the game compared to somebody like Derek Carr or throw the ball away on 4th down. so I think a lot of the knock on Jameis as a quarterback is due to bad defense play and improve next year or should he end up on another. You will see a very good quarterback.

 
Synthesizer said:
In reality he will be fine if he continues to play this way (big if)...... be selective taking chances down the field, check down when necessary (TEs and RBs had 10 catches), be comfortable punting and playing the field position game.  Obviously all of that is easier to do when the defense is actually getting some stops.
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This is much easier to do when the defense doesn't give up TD's on every single drive.  There have been many times where they get down so quickly it's impossible to establish a running game or play field position.  They have to push the ball down the field constantly, which leads to interceptions, sack fumbles, and negative plays. 

 
CanaBuc said:
and that right there has been the general problem with Winston and Bucs quarterbacks in general. The defense has been so historically bad that they are usually come from behind Road. Well that's good for passing yards and there will be some touchdowns and when I called garbage time, and also lets defenses become more opportunities with pass-rush and leads to more turnovers as well. Somebody like Jameis who has such a winning competitive Street will still try to force the ball in an attempt to win the game compared to somebody like Derek Carr or throw the ball away on 4th down. so I think a lot of the knock on Jameis as a quarterback is due to bad defense play and improve next year or should he end up on another. You will see a very good quarterback.
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So true.  Should have read your post before submitting mine.  Jameis takes the brunt of the criticism, but he wouldn't have to try to play hero if the team wasn't in such dire need of one all the time.

 
Grahamburn said:
This is much easier to do when the defense doesn't give up TD's on every single drive.  There have been many times where they get down so quickly it's impossible to establish a running game or play field position.  They have to push the ball down the field constantly, which leads to interceptions, sack fumbles, and negative plays. 
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To be fair to the TB defense, here are Winston's 7 turnovers in the Cincy and Cleveland games......

Vs Cincy
Game tied, TB defense forces turnover on downs.  Winston INT
Trailing by 7, Winston INT
Trailing by 11, TB defense forces punt.  Winston INT
Trailing by 11, TB defense forces punt.  Winston INT

Vs. Clevland
Leading by 14, TB defense forces punt.  Winston INT
Leading by 14, TB defense forces punt.  Winston fumble
Game tied, TB defense forces punt.  Winston INT

 
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Another really good game. Multiple times today where he would have previously forced it but he just took the sack or scrambled away. 

 
Jameis Winston - QB -  Buccaneers

Speaking at Monday's season-ending presser, Bucs GM Jason Licht said Jameis Winston would remain the team's starting quarterback in 2019.

"He has done some amazing things," Licht said of Winston, who was both suspended and benched in 2018. "There’s a lot to like about Jamies and he’ll be here next year." Winston is still only 25 (next week), but he has made startlingly-little progress across four NFL seasons. He is still working from a high floor, however, and theoretically has a next step to take. Winston is only under contract through next year.

Source: Greg Auman on Twitter 

Dec 31 - 1:53 PM
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Winston could still be very good.  He's really really young for a QB at this point in his career (24) and needs to mature, but the upside is definitely there.  It's hard to tell if coaching held him and the team back or not. 

The Bucs could look really, really stupid if and when they let Winston walk and he matures and thrives under good coaching. I'm guessing they would like to avoid that for multiple reasons. 

 
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kittenmittens said:
Winston could still be very good.  He's really really young for a QB at this point in his career (24) and needs to mature, but the upside is definitely there.  It's hard to tell if coaching held him and the team back or not. 

The Bucs could look really, really stupid if and when they let Winston walk and he matures and thrives under good coaching. I'm guessing they would like to avoid that for multiple reasons. 
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He's not going to mature. 

 
His birth certificate says he's young but on the other hand, he's also been a starter from day one apart from the times he's been bench-ably bad. A couple consecutive games of "good Jameis" provides no comfort that "bad Jameis" won't suddenly reappear. He's a tremendous physical talent when he isn't throwing "what on earth did you see there?!?" type interceptions. Can you coach that out of him at this point? Colour me skeptical...

 
Grahamburn said:
There's only one job opening with a QB better than Jameis, so I don't know what's so bad about that.
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Numbers wise maybe. Being a leader and winning football games I'm not so sure.

 
kittenmittens said:
Winston could still be very good.  He's really really young for a QB at this point in his career (24) and needs to mature, but the upside is definitely there.  It's hard to tell if coaching held him and the team back or not. 

The Bucs could look really, really stupid if and when they let Winston walk and he matures and thrives under good coaching. I'm guessing they would like to avoid that for multiple reasons. 
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People thought the same thing about Jay Cutler. "The right coach can fix him." I don't think you can fix what is wrong with Winston and that is between his ears. I would be interested in trying if he was a decent guy I could pull for but he's a scumbag on top of being a knucklehead.

 
Grahamburn said:
There's only one job opening with a QB better than Jameis, so I don't know what's so bad about that.
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This is highly debatable - and definitely depends on whether one thinks Darnold and Mayfield build on their rookie seasons - and I’m actually some one that believes Winston still has potential. My guess however is most coaching candidates would favor being tied to Rodgers, Mayfield and Darnold over Winston at this point.

 
MAC_32 said:
He's got 5 years of bad decisions on and off the field. He's gonna need a lot more than 5 games before I think about betting on him. 
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That’s cool but I don’t care even a little bit what you do. I’m talking about the Bucs. 

 
From Licht's press conference:

(On if the new coaching candidate would have to accept Jameis as their starting quarterback, and if that excludes some candidates from being the Bucs coach because they don’t want him)

“Based on the texts and phone calls and emails that I’ve been getting since roughly eight o’clock last night, I don’t think that’s going to be an issue.”
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Well before the Buccaneers hired Bruce Arians as their new head coach, the team made it clear that they intended to have quarterback Jameis Winston on the team for the 2019 season.

Given the $20.9 million Winston is set to make, they weren’t going to hire a coach who wasn’t thinking about Winston as the starter and Arians is on board with that program. During an appearance on The Rich Eisen Show Wednesday, Arians referred to Winston as the central piece of the team’s offense.

“I’ve known him for a long time,” Arians said, via Greg Auman of The Athletic. “We all make mistakes. He’s made his. I’ve made mine. I feel like I’ve got a great feel for him, his excitement for the game. His willingness to work is unbelievable. He’s in the office at 5 o’clock in the morning. I have no qualms about that. There’s no doubt. The whole thing is going to be built around him. I think he can win it all. I mean, he has the intelligence, the toughness, and obviously the arm, ability to lead a team. We have to put the right pieces around him.”

Arians has had success with a variety of quarterbacks with a variety of teams over the years and getting more out of Winston would be the best way to make his tenure in Tampa a winning one.
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ZWK said:
Bruce Arians And Jameis Winston: A Match Made In Heaven by Chase Stuart

Chase's argument: Arians & Winston both thrive at the downfield passing game, and so Winston has a good chance of developing into the next Carson Palmer.
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He is the ideal Arians QB. Big and strong to take the hits that come with the 5/7 step drops, big arm and is very willing to chuck the ball down field regularly. I love the synergy of Arians and the Bucs passing offense. My only concern is that the TE usage. Arians has to show that he can use OJ Howard. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
He is the ideal Arians QB. Big and strong to take the hits that come with the 5/7 step drops, big arm and is very willing to chuck the ball down field regularly. I love the synergy of Arians and the Bucs passing offense. My only concern is that the TE usage. Arians has to show that he can use OJ Howard. 
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He wasn't known as a coordinator who used the RB out of the backfield either.  Until he had David Johnson. 

 
Speaking Thursday, new Bucs coach Bruce Arians said Jameis Winston just needs to be a "little bit smarter."

"No pressure. No pressure whatsoever," Arians said of his expectations for his new quarterback. "I want him to relax and play the game. Talent is no issue. It’s just becoming a little bit smarter." It's a fair appraisal of Winston's to-date skill-set. Arians made it clear in so many words he would only come out of "retirement" for the right quarterback situation. He didn't get the Browns/Baker Mayfield job, but he must be comfortable with 25-year-old Winston. Winston's down-field mindset certainly jibes with Arians'. He simply must cut down on his turnovers. It's going to be a tricky needle to thread.

Source: Rick Stroud on Twitter 

Jan 10 - 4:56 PM
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