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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (2 Viewers)

Well I went back and forth bw Winston and stafford for days.  Both with bad matchups and both at home.   I went stafford.   Only BC I remembered that stafford usually steps up on thanksgiving games.  And I feel like Seattle defense is starting to really heat up while minn defense has been struggling and is banged up.  

So far if that first drive is any indication I'll be happy with my choice but I won't be surprised if Winston has a very good game vs Seattle.  

 
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rickyg said:
Well I went back and forth bw Winston and stafford for days.  Both with bad matchups and both at home.   I went stafford.   Only BC I remembered that stafford usually steps up on thanksgiving games.  And I feel like Seattle defense is starting to really heat up while minn defense has been struggling and is banged up.  

So far if that first drive is any indication I'll be happy with my choice but I won't be surprised if Winston has a very good game vs Seattle.  
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On 2nd thought stafford over Winston may have been not so great a decision.  We will see.  Lol 

 
rickyg said:
Well I went back and forth bw Winston and stafford for days.  Both with bad matchups and both at home.   I went stafford.   Only BC I remembered that stafford usually steps up on thanksgiving games.  And I feel like Seattle defense is starting to really heat up while minn defense has been struggling and is banged up.  

So far if that first drive is any indication I'll be happy with my choice but I won't be surprised if Winston has a very good game vs Seattle.  
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I had the exact same decision to make and went the same way. We had the game from two weeks ago as well to show that Stafford could throw a couple of TDs against the Vikes. Not the best week but I'm relatively happy - his 32 yards was way above his average rushing and salvaged the score up to something that I deem acceptable given what the alternative was in Winston against SEA

 
Pipes said:
He's not but he's putting up very good stats for a 2nd year guy playing behind a mediocre offensive line and 1 legit (albeit a damn good one) NFL quality receiver.  Put another weapon or two in his arsenal and a little more experience he's a top 5 QB.
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I've seen a couple of TB games, and in those games there were several horrendous drops - I mean ball-on-the-numbers type drops.  I really like the steady progression he keeps showing. His TD/INT ratio in the last fee games is well into the positive range. 

 
Briefly heard a stat...what was it...he's the 3rd QB in history with either a throwing or rushing TD in his first 27 games?

 
Great stuff in there.  However, at the end of the day the numbers do matter.  The wins and losses matter.  You can't use the offensive scheme as a negative and then point out that he leads the league in average pass distance in the same breath.  We can only harp on the lack of weapons, bad defense, offensive line play, offensive scheme, etc. for so long.  At some point the front office and Jameis have to translate all of the potential into wins and deep playoff runs.  The great QB's win in spite of those things. 

I'm willing to be patient.  The article pointed out how young he still is, and he is already a great player, and the best QB the Bucs have ever had by a mile (at least that they kept anyway, Steve Young :rolleyes: ). 

They've turned a real corner the last two weeks.  But, that's the thing, it has to continue or none of it really matters.

 
I played Mariota over him and it worked well for me.  Sad I didn't pick up Cousins and start him instead though.  I'm hoping to drop Mariota and pick up Cousins this week to use Winston/Cousin in the playoffs.  I'm considering starting Cousins over Winston this weekend though.

 
Started Tyrod over him again, which worked out well this time. They both have good matchups this week, but I think I'm gonna play Winston. He's been incredibly consistent since his bye week (15+ points every week) and I said I would play him the rest of the year going forward after the KC and SEA games.

 
Do we still feel as confident about the week 14/16 matchups with NO?  Their defense has been improving.  Not sure this is the slam dunk it appeared earlier in the season.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Do we still feel as confident about the week 14/16 matchups with NO?  Their defense has been improving.  Not sure this is the slam dunk it appeared earlier in the season.
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I am.  but agree their def is getting better.  jameis should still do well.  thinking at least top 10 both games

 
What about this week on the road vs a tough chargers d?  

Once again that stafford vs Winston decision is haunting me.  Stafford in NO which should be a shootout.  Bucs vs sd should be one as well.  Grrrrr

 
rickyg said:
What about this week on the road vs a tough chargers d?  

Once again that stafford vs Winston decision is haunting me.  Stafford in NO which should be a shootout.  Bucs vs sd should be one as well.  Grrrrr
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Stafford. It's really not that close IMO.

 
Uncle Leo said:
Stafford. It's really not that close IMO.
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Stafford has been a great NFL qb and middling fantasy qb for a long time now.  Det defense has stepped up and they've been playing close low scoring games where he is the game manager qb.  

Only hope for the week is that Det d can't stop saints o.  Then he'll have to open it up.  

 
rickyg said:
Stafford has been a great NFL qb and middling fantasy qb for a long time now.  Det defense has stepped up and they've been playing close low scoring games where he is the game manager qb.  

Only hope for the week is that Det d can't stop saints o.  Then he'll have to open it up.  
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I get that. However, he's playing the Saints. He could put up Eli's stats against the Saints from last year. This is a easy decision IMO.

 
Bucs' D has been playing better and San Diego is pretty banged up on both sides of the ball.  I think Flowers is out? Koetter has shown the propensity to run the air out of the ball if he's ahead.

Should be another monster game for Evans. Winston is still one weapon away from being an elite fantasy QB. 

Stafford has more upside this week. 

 
I like Jameis this week, but I would definitely start Stafford over him if I had to pick between the 2. The Saints always score a ton of points at home, which means Stafford will be throwing a lot. While the Saints D has improved, it is still not a scary defense.

 
He eeked out a respectable day.  I made a mistake by starting him over stafford at the last minute when I heard Marvin Jones was inactive.   But he wasn't terrible. 

I like where he's at as a pro.   I think he's going to be great.  All he needs is a few more pieces.  A good wr2.  Maybe shore up the o line a bit more.   The defense is really starting to come together to.  Winston has TB looking like a real contender.  

 
rickyg said:
I like where he's at as a pro.   I think he's going to be great.  All he needs is a few more pieces.  A good wr2.  Maybe shore up the o line a bit more.   The defense is really starting to come together to.  Winston has TB looking like a real contender.  
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Well said!

 
Haven't had the chance to watch any of his games closely, but it seems like he's becoming a very good NFL QB and a decent (but not great) fantasy one, which is the exact opposite of what I envisioned when I drafted him. I'll start him for one more week with Mariota facing Denver, but then I think I have to go back to the hot hand.

 
zftcg said:
I'll start him for one more week with Mariota facing Denver, but then I think I have to go back to the hot hand.
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Mariotta @ KC in December?  I prefer Winston at Dallas in the dome.  He'll be flinging it all night on that D.  And there is probably a slightly better chance of garbage time points with TB/Jameis.  Not to mention a likely higher projected point total as well.

 
Rodrigo Duterte said:
Mariotta @ KC in December?  I prefer Winston at Dallas in the dome.  He'll be flinging it all night on that D.  And there is probably a slightly better chance of garbage time points with TB/Jameis.  Not to mention a likely higher projected point total as well.
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I mean, it's something I'll have to think about over the next couple weeks. But it's not like KC is Denver-level scary when it comes to opposing QBs. They've gotten lit up pretty good the past couple weeks by Siemian and Ryan. In my Yahoo league, they give up the ninth most FFPA for the position (Dallas is 11th). And if the match-up is comparable, Mariota has been playing much better than Winston the past month.

Jameis has emerged as a high floor guy. Even when he seems to be doing nothing, he pulls out the late TD + 2pt like he did yesterday. And I hope he'll go beyond that in the two NO games. But overall, MM's ceiling has been way higher.

 
Shorts and Humphries also got hurt yesterday.  What Jameis is doing with basically just Mike Evans, who SD took away yesterday, is pretty fantastic.

 
Grahamburn said:
Shorts and Humphries also got hurt yesterday.  What Jameis is doing with basically just Mike Evans, who SD took away yesterday, is pretty fantastic.
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Yes. Ended the game with:

Evans - stud

Shepard - special teams captain 

somebody named Freddy Martino :shrug:  

Brate - undrafted, but very good 

Brandon Myers :yucky:

Alan Cross :shrug:

 
Great QBs can turn bums into relevant offensive weapons. Brady has done it with how many guys?  Same with P Manning. Favre made guys like Freeman and Schroeder into decent options.  

You have to start wondering if we are seeing Winston starting to round into this kind of QB. Talk about turning chicken **** into chicken salad. 

 
Talk in here now is a lot different than the first half or so of this thread.  If you have some time to kill and want to be entertained by a ton of wrong read through the first ten pages or so.

 
Grahamburn said:
Talk in here now is a lot different than the first half or so of this thread.  If you have some time to kill and want to be entertained by a ton of wrong read through the first ten pages or so.
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I can confirm this is fun to do, and also very hard not to bump dozens of posts by a certain troll. 

 
Amazing what Jameis has been doing with the supporting cast he has. Gonna be real fun to watch next year when he actually has more than 1 or 2 (if you count Brate) legit weapons. 

 
I've been holding him behind Ben knowing this playoff schedule. Thanks for getting me in the playoff door Ben. Winston has it from here. Choo choo!

 
Can anyone who saw the game shed light on Winston and the Bucs inability to score against a New Orleans D that usually gives up 30 points a game??? Thanks.

 
Gandalf said:
Can anyone who saw the game shed light on Winston and the Bucs inability to score against a New Orleans D that usually gives up 30 points a game??? Thanks.
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Ts exactly as I said a few weeks ago.  When I drafted Winston this year I was excited about weeks 14 and 16 in tholayoffs BC NO d has been horrible for years.  But midway through this season NO got healthier and started to gel.  They're not even close to a pushover gimme matchup anymore.  I'm glad I had a bye this week and I'm wondering if I should replace Winston in lineup for week 16 if I'm lucky enought to get there.  

 
TB threw the ball 26 times as opposed to running it 35 times. They played low risk mistake free football and kept the ball out of Brees' hands. That's a pretty good recipe for success, given that they held NO to 11 pts. 

That's great football by TB. A total team effort, including Winston staying within the script and managing the team to an important W. Only a jaded hater or an ignorant fool would knock Winston on a win like this. 

 
Bronco Billy said:
TB threw the ball 26 times as opposed to running it 35 times. They played low risk mistake free football and kept the ball out of Brees' hands. That's a pretty good recipe for success, given that they held NO to 11 pts. 

That's great football by TB. A total team effort, including Winston staying within the script and managing the team to an important W. Only a jaded hater or an ignorant fool would knock Winston on a win like this. 
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I didn't knock him today. He's along for the ride. They aren't going to force the ball through the air, as you also stated, if they don't have to and he totally crushed some FF dreams today (see capt grunge above. a lot of people were salivating over this matchup and it blew up in their faces). All are facts.

 
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That's kind of the game script I was expecting (as suggested on the FBG podcast, good looking out) and led me to bench Winston... for Big Ben. :/

 
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Bronco Billy said:
TB threw the ball 26 times as opposed to running it 35 times. They played low risk mistake free football and kept the ball out of Brees' hands. That's a pretty good recipe for success, given that they held NO to 11 pts. 

That's great football by TB. A total team effort, including Winston staying within the script and managing the team to an important W. Only a jaded hater or an ignorant fool would knock Winston on a win like this. 
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Except this is a fantasy thread.  Lol.  I'd rather have 20 pts and the Bucs lose any day.

 
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