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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (10 Viewers)

lod001 said:
And I'm winning the fight. KO'ed you today. Your bum is one of the biggest turnover machines when allowed to throw. Dirk has a real problem and he knows it. He's gona need to build a 85 Bears style D in order to take the next step and overcome your guy that keeps making stupid decisions.
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:lmao:  Troll on, troll

 
lod001 said:
Yes it is.
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Not his best day. All three of those picks were at times where it looked like points would have swung the game in Tampa's favor. But, he kind of had to force the issue with the way the defense was playing. I'd prefer that versus 5 yard checkdowns when the team is behind by 2 scores. 

Speaking of checkdowns. We going to bump this every week? Glennon isn't in Jameis' league, which was the reason I quoted your previous post. Your entire argument has been that he'd be out of the NFL in 3 years and Tampa should have kept Glennon. 

Can't see how that sum equals you "winning" anything here. 

 
Grahamburn said:
Not his best day. All three of those picks were at times where it looked like points would have swung the game in Tampa's favor. But, he kind of had to force the issue with the way the defense was playing. I'd prefer that versus 5 yard checkdowns when the team is behind by 2 scores. 

Speaking of checkdowns. We going to bump this every week? Glennon isn't in Jameis' league, which was the reason I quoted your previous post. Your entire argument has been that he'd be out of the NFL in 3 years and Tampa should have kept Glennon. 

Can't see how that sum equals you "winning" anything here. 
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Nice try putting words in my mouth. Let me correct you. Keep Glennon and draft either Goff or Wentz the following year. Both will prove to be better QBs. Goff now has a legit head coach. Using one of Capella favorite stats, yards per attempt, Goff is double digits and a 5-1 TD-INT ratio. You can rad it here: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/732059-official-jared-goff-bandwagon/?page=3

Also, I can't make them get rid of the bum. They have to feel the pain of his mistakes. Eventually they will give up. He should be gone. He's a mistake prone bum that doesn't learn from his mistakes. I'd say they are about eaven. maybe give the edge to Glennon as he has NOTHING to throw to in Chicago and r. INT has 2 Pro Bowl WRs.

Just doing what Capella does when the bum plays a cupcake team and puts up stats. I didn't bump it last week when Dirk reigned him in and ran the ball to a victory and let him manage the game. Oh yeah, as far as you guys bringing up the 'gone in 3 years' comment, I can equally bring up Capella's statement 'Winston is a generational talent'. We can see he is much closer to my prediction than Capella's because if a turnover machine is what a generational talent looks like, then the NFL may as well fold up now.

 
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What pick would JW be if all players were thrown back into a pool and re-drafted, starting with the worst current records?

 
Do quarterbacks who shouldn't be in the NFL go for 330 yards, 3 touchdowns, no turnovers and go 6/6 on the game-winning drive to secure a W while not yet playing his 30th career game?

:lmao:  

@lod001

 
Big deal. Played a 0-3 inept cupcake at home and barely won. No one 20 yards close to OJ Howard. Yeah, that's a real tough team ya barely beat.

:lmao:

 
lod001 said:
Big deal. Played a 0-3 inept cupcake at home and barely won. No one 20 yards close to OJ Howard. Yeah, that's a real tough team ya barely beat.

:lmao:
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The only thing to do when you have a horrible argument that you are clearly getting trounced on, is to keep moving the target. :thumbup:  

 
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davearm said:
Not even close.  FWIW, NFL network has Winston at #57 on their list of the top 100 players in 2017.

http://www.nfl.com/network/top100

Granted, that's a slightly different focus than what gump asked.
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Considering his parameters and the way he framed the question Winston would have to be considered #1.  Now, gump didn't say if it was for one season, 10 seasons, etc.  But, I took it to mean if all the NFL franchises were starting fresh right now which players would get drafted early?  QB's.  I can't think of any I'd rather have over Jameis for the next 10+ years.

 
Grahamburn said:
Considering his parameters and the way he framed the question Winston would have to be considered #1.  Now, gump didn't say if it was for one season, 10 seasons, etc.  But, I took it to mean if all the NFL franchises were starting fresh right now which players would get drafted early?  QB's.  I can't think of any I'd rather have over Jameis for the next 10+ years.
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Wentz. But I'm an Eagles fan. I am very happy he is our QB.

 
Grahamburn said:
Considering his parameters and the way he framed the question Winston would have to be considered #1.  Now, gump didn't say if it was for one season, 10 seasons, etc.  But, I took it to mean if all the NFL franchises were starting fresh right now which players would get drafted early?  QB's.  I can't think of any I'd rather have over Jameis for the next 10+ years.
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You understood what I was asking and it was a question almost everyone knows the answer to...

 
I think your top 5 of young QB's would be Winston, Wentz, Goff, Watson, and Prescott, in no particular order. Obviously they will differentiate themselves over time, but they all are looking like they have the tools to be successful for a long time.

 
Grahamburn said:
Considering his parameters and the way he framed the question Winston would have to be considered #1.  Now, gump didn't say if it was for one season, 10 seasons, etc.  But, I took it to mean if all the NFL franchises were starting fresh right now which players would get drafted early?  QB's.  I can't think of any I'd rather have over Jameis for the next 10+ years.
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If a really awfully managed team was #1, then it's Winston. Otherwise it's Goff and Wentz as the 1st 2 QBs taken.

 
lod001 said:
If a really awfully managed team was #1, then it's Winston. Otherwise it's Goff and Wentz as the 1st 2 QBs taken.
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Pff has Winston as the #6 QB so far this year. Goff 17. Don't know about Wentz. :bye:  

Went and looked. Wentz 11. 

 
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New England D just getting within 3 yards of Winston and he's missing wildly.  They should've tried that with Smith Brees, and Cam.  It's like the 85 Bears!

 
I very rarely get to watch Winston play, but whenever I do he is awful.  However,  he has put up some good games when I haven't watched.  Seems to still make a lot of stupid decisions.

 
He sucks tonight. There is no way to sugercoat it.  Jackson was just open for an easy long TD and Winston overthrew him by 5 yards. Awful. 

 
Don't Noonan said:
I very rarely get to watch Winston play, but whenever I do he is awful.  However,  he has put up some good games when I haven't watched.  Seems to still make a lot of stupid decisions.
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He's good way more than bad.  But when he's bad he's like the worst you have ever seen

 
Don't Noonan said:
I very rarely get to watch Winston play, but whenever I do he is awful.  However,  he has put up some good games when I haven't watched.  Seems to still make a lot of stupid decisions.
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Before the game the commentators said he was excited to be on the same field as Tom Brady. I don't know if he as ever played against the Patriots before, but it seems that he has the jitters, and still hasn't settled down.

 
Two years running, EVERY time I start him, he ####s the bed....

perma-benched...

 
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Still waiting for him to make one good throw tonight against this matador defense.  Give me Mariota, Wentz, Prescott, and maybe Goff when talking QBs who have been drafted the last 3 years.

 
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Rove! said:
Its so frustrating, having him on the team...next good game, I will see if I can get bench fodder for him, but he's practically worthless
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I drafted him before cousins too.  Lol.  Yeah I know what you mean.  He could get hot though.  I had him last year.  Once he gets used to djax I think it will get better.  But who knows when that will be.

Also he would be wise to remember that forcing it to Evans usually works out too

 
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I owned him last year.  First half he was awesome.  Threw with reckless abandon.  Lots of yards and tds.  But also stupid INTs.  He was putting up stats but they were losing games.  

Koetter got sick of his boneheaded turnovers and after the bye went run heavy and relegated Winston to game manager.  2nd half of the season he was like a bottom half qb2 for fantasy purposes.  

I watched hard knocks and saw koetter saying the same thing directly to Winston on the show.  He basically in not so many words said "just manage the game and don't make stupid throws".  Koetter doesn't trust him.   

I stayed far away this year.  Not on any of my teams.   Love the player and think he has great potential but his coach is holding him back fantasy wise.   

 
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I'll be starting Bree's with confidence the rest of the way...but 225 yds  in one quarter salvaged a ray of hope

 
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Winston has some accuracy issues, but he does one thing that I wish every single quarterback did...he attempts to make plays that could win the game for his team.  Way too many QBs will check down when it makes little sense or avoid risk at almost all costs.  That may be the play with a big lead, but some QBs play that way by default.  You'll still see Winston make some head-scratching decisions yet, but I feel those will lessen as he matures.  His stats have improved each year in the league and his leadership style seems like the type his teammates will rally around.  He's not elite, but he has as good a chance to enter that category as any other young QB.  Buy.

 
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