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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (13 Viewers)

Faust said:
Rotoworld:

FSU QB Jameis Winston is Todd McShay's new No. 1 prospect.

"Based purely on his tape, he's in the same class as Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Ryan as the best quarterback prospects to enter the NFL outside of Andrew Luck," McShay writes. The Scouts Inc. evaluator says Winston's accuracy is exceptional when his footwork is correct and a full-time focus on football will allow Winston to nail down the details in his mechanics. USC DL Leonard Williams was previously the No. 1 ranked player on McShay's board.

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If Rodgers was such a sure thing why wasn't he drafted as a top 3 guy?

 
Really looking forward to seeing him play. Unfortunately it will be for the enemy so I'll have to root for him laying flat on the turf.

 
Righetti said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

FSU QB Jameis Winston is Todd McShay's new No. 1 prospect.

"Based purely on his tape, he's in the same class as Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Ryan as the best quarterback prospects to enter the NFL outside of Andrew Luck," McShay writes. The Scouts Inc. evaluator says Winston's accuracy is exceptional when his footwork is correct and a full-time focus on football will allow Winston to nail down the details in his mechanics. USC DL Leonard Williams was previously the No. 1 ranked player on McShay's board.

Source: ESPN

Mar 9 - 11:40 AM
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If Rodgers was such a sure thing why wasn't he drafted as a top 3 guy?
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I don't know if you remember, but it was pretty shocking when Rodgers fell that far. He was considered by many to be a top-5 pick. Who knows ultimately why he fell so far, but it was surprising at the time. We're talking about it (kind of randomly) in the McCarron thread, but Rodgers also had some funky mechanics coming out that severely limited his deep ball and his ability to run a pro offense, so that could have been part of it. He needed the three years and good QB coaching to fix his mechanics, get 100% out of his physical talent, and meet his potential.

 
Righetti said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

FSU QB Jameis Winston is Todd McShay's new No. 1 prospect.

"Based purely on his tape, he's in the same class as Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Ryan as the best quarterback prospects to enter the NFL outside of Andrew Luck," McShay writes. The Scouts Inc. evaluator says Winston's accuracy is exceptional when his footwork is correct and a full-time focus on football will allow Winston to nail down the details in his mechanics. USC DL Leonard Williams was previously the No. 1 ranked player on McShay's board.

Source: ESPN

Mar 9 - 11:40 AM
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If Rodgers was such a sure thing why wasn't he drafted as a top 3 guy?
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nce Tampa Bay snagged Auburn RB Carnell Williams with the fifth pick while Aaron Rodgers was still on the board, the Cal QB's long afternoon was pretty much sealed.

A combination of factors contributed to Rodgers' draft-day slide to Green Bay at No. 24. First of all, no team drafting after the Bucs in the first round had a pressing need for a quarterback. There also were looming questions about Rodgers' inconsistency on the deep ball and even more troubling to many teams was the "Tedford Factor." Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Trent Dilfer, David Carr and Kyle Boller all studied under Jeff Tedford in college and none have been as productive as expected. Rodgers is Tedford's latest pupil.

However, Aaron Rodgers' long day waiting to be drafted could end up benefiting the quarterback and the Packers. Rodgers will bring many positives to the NFL. Blessed with good arm strength and above average speed, Rodgers is accurate on underneath routes and played in a pro-style system at Cal. His collegiate training should have him prepared to run Green Bay's West Coast offense and the opportunity to work with and learn from future Hall of Famer Brett Favre for a year or two should expedite his development.

Unlike No.1 pick Alex Smith at San Francisco, Rodgers will not be under pressure to produce right away. The Packers will not be pressured to get him on the field early. It looks like a good fit for both.

-- Todd McShay, Scouts, Inc.
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In other words, full of ####.

 
From Aaron Rodgers' twitter, "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to watch film with some of Espn's experts and hear them explain why teams play 2 slide behind...A storm blitz, and other fun conversations like that. Invitation is out there Todd Mcshay."
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McShay at the 2008 draft:

"Brian Brohm's upside is greater than Aaron Rodgers. In 2005 I had Rodgers with an early 2nd round rank. Rodgers no creativity coming out of school. Questions about the Jeff Tedford system."

By the way, Hoge: "Aaron Rodgers the one thing he lacked was anticipation, he had to see to a route come open - and is just disturbing when you think about transition."

Gee, sound anything like what people are saying about the QB from Oregon?

 
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cstu said:
From Aaron Rodgers' twitter, "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to watch film with some of Espn's experts and hear them explain why teams play 2 slide behind...A storm blitz, and other fun conversations like that. Invitation is out there Todd Mcshay."
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Is someone going to let Mariota sit behind a stud QB for three straight years, under a great QB coach in a stable system on one of the best teams in the NFL, before he ever has to hit the field?

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
cstu said:
From Aaron Rodgers' twitter, "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to watch film with some of Espn's experts and hear them explain why teams play 2 slide behind...A storm blitz, and other fun conversations like that. Invitation is out there Todd Mcshay."
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Obviously not, but are you saying Aaron Rodgers would not have been a good QB had he gone somewhere else? Like say Cleveland instead of Frye?

 
cstu said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
From Aaron Rodgers' twitter, "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to watch film with some of Espn's experts and hear them explain why teams play 2 slide behind...A storm blitz, and other fun conversations like that. Invitation is out there Todd Mcshay."
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Nobody can know for sure, but he's a totally different QB now than he was in college, because he was able to sit and learn for three years and most importantly totally overhaul his mechanics. An interesting article about it was just posted in the McCarron thread tonight.

We'll never know, but its totally possible that Rodgers would have been a bust if he hadn't been able to fix his footwork and throwing motion (which in turn gave him a deep ball and allowed him to fully realize his potential). It takes a long time for muscle memory to develop, to override the funky and inefficient mechanics that Tedford taught him (which according to articles I read allowed him to get the ball out quickly on short passes but ruined him for lots of other throws that he was naturally capable of).

I think its totally possible we never see today's Aaron Rodgers without those three years of development. He was a fixer-upper for sure. Now, I don't think Mariota has the same exact issues but you made the comparison.

 
Righetti said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

FSU QB Jameis Winston is Todd McShay's new No. 1 prospect.

"Based purely on his tape, he's in the same class as Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Ryan as the best quarterback prospects to enter the NFL outside of Andrew Luck," McShay writes. The Scouts Inc. evaluator says Winston's accuracy is exceptional when his footwork is correct and a full-time focus on football will allow Winston to nail down the details in his mechanics. USC DL Leonard Williams was previously the No. 1 ranked player on McShay's board.

Source: ESPN

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If Rodgers was such a sure thing why wasn't he drafted as a top 3 guy?
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Because San Francisco had/has incompetent ownership.

 
This is an interview about Tebow with QB guru Tom House who discusses (at 3:30) how Tebow's baseball background elongated his football throwing motion.

His motion at times resembles that of throwing a baseball, which makes sense given that he played baseball when he was younger before deciding to go with football permanently. Did the baseball background seep in, Paige asked?

“Throwing is timing, kinematic sequencing and then the mechanics of the actual action,” House said.

A quarterback has about one-third the time to step and throw during a game than a pitcher does during his position, and he has to do it with a 15-ounce football as opposed to a 5-ounce baseball.
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cstu said:
Righetti said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

FSU QB Jameis Winston is Todd McShay's new No. 1 prospect.

"Based purely on his tape, he's in the same class as Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Ryan as the best quarterback prospects to enter the NFL outside of Andrew Luck," McShay writes. The Scouts Inc. evaluator says Winston's accuracy is exceptional when his footwork is correct and a full-time focus on football will allow Winston to nail down the details in his mechanics. USC DL Leonard Williams was previously the No. 1 ranked player on McShay's board.

Source: ESPN

Mar 9 - 11:40 AM
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If Rodgers was such a sure thing why wasn't he drafted as a top 3 guy?
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nce Tampa Bay snagged Auburn RB Carnell Williams with the fifth pick while Aaron Rodgers was still on the board, the Cal QB's long afternoon was pretty much sealed.

A combination of factors contributed to Rodgers' draft-day slide to Green Bay at No. 24. First of all, no team drafting after the Bucs in the first round had a pressing need for a quarterback. There also were looming questions about Rodgers' inconsistency on the deep ball and even more troubling to many teams was the "Tedford Factor." Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Trent Dilfer, David Carr and Kyle Boller all studied under Jeff Tedford in college and none have been as productive as expected. Rodgers is Tedford's latest pupil.

However, Aaron Rodgers' long day waiting to be drafted could end up benefiting the quarterback and the Packers. Rodgers will bring many positives to the NFL. Blessed with good arm strength and above average speed, Rodgers is accurate on underneath routes and played in a pro-style system at Cal. His collegiate training should have him prepared to run Green Bay's West Coast offense and the opportunity to work with and learn from future Hall of Famer Brett Favre for a year or two should expedite his development.

Unlike No.1 pick Alex Smith at San Francisco, Rodgers will not be under pressure to produce right away. The Packers will not be pressured to get him on the field early. It looks like a good fit for both.

-- Todd McShay, Scouts, Inc.
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In other words, full of ####.
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So depressing. Thanks, Gruden. Good chance Rodgers' career doesn't sniff his current level of success if he'd been drafted by the Bucs though.

Tampa is where QB's go to die. Hence the "Excitement Builds for Next Bust" tagline on our thread. It's all too true. Sorry, Jameis.

 
cstu said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
From Aaron Rodgers' twitter, "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to watch film with some of Espn's experts and hear them explain why teams play 2 slide behind...A storm blitz, and other fun conversations like that. Invitation is out there Todd Mcshay."
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I think there's a very good chance Rodgers would have been a bust if not drafted by Green Bay.

He was pretty bad his first two years in the league...at least from what he showed in camp and preseason.

It wasn't until the third year when Favre got injured against the Cowboys and Rodgers stepped in and played well that people thought he might have a future.

In todays NFL, QBs aren't really given time to grow anymore. Sometimes they don't need it (Luck, Wilson) but sometimes maybe they do (Rodgers). Maybe if he was a starter, he would've been given up on after 2 bad years?

 
Grahamburn said:
cstu said:
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Lovie Smith: Not 'erroneous assumption' that Winston goes No. 1
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Not fat though:

"You say, 'What can improve?'" Smith said. "Us getting him on proper nutrition. Lifting. Getting him in the weight room. ... He hasn't had a chance to really develop his body."
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Tim Tebow or Brady Quinn are available if you're in need of a hard bodied QB.
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Mike Vick and Art Schlichter are likewise available if you need guidance from high-drafted QB's with known felonious tendencies. As are Leaf and Jamarcus if you need direction for your golden armed top of draft QB with poor decision making and communication skills.

Might be able to wrangle Marinovich if you require a tutorial on QBing at the pro level with chronic and debilitating maturity issues.

:shrug:

 
When the bucs screw up and take this guy, Lovie will be gone after the 2016 season and this guy will be a backup at best but most likely out of the league.

 
jurb26 said:
Character assassination.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000482566/article/jimbo-fisher-jameis-winston-a-victim-of-character-assassination
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Does Fisher really not understand why there is a question about Winston’s character? I suspect he does, but just in case he doesn’t, I’m going to explain it to him: There’s a question about Winston’s character because a woman says he raped her.

That’s what all those questions about Winston’s character are about. The other stuff — the shoplifting of crab legs, the screaming of an inappropriate phrase on campus, an incident with a BB gun — that stuff doesn’t help. But that stuff is so trivial compared to a rape accusation that it’s hardly even worth mentioning.

The rape accusation is a real red flag, and it’s wrong for Fisher to pretend it’s not. The Tallahassee Police Department botched the investigation so thoroughly that prosecutors decided not to charge Winston because they said they couldn’t prove his guilt. But prosecutors found no reason to believe Winston’s accuser lied, either. The Winston case is not like the Duke Lacrosse case, in which the accused were eventually declared innocent. The Winston case is one in which we will probably never know for certain what happened. If Fisher really thinks Winston is innocent, the people he should be criticizing are the Tallahassee Police, whose sub-par investigation leaves very valid questions about Winston’s innocence or guilt.

If Fisher chooses to believe his player’s side of the story, he’s free to do so. But to claim that those who take seriously the accuser’s side of the story are engaged in “character assassination” is absurd.
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Whither you want to call it assassination or suicide, it doesn't appear either worked. He's pretty locked in to the #1 pick.

 
lod01 said:
When the bucs screw up and take this guy, Lovie will be gone after the 2016 season and this guy will be a backup at best but most likely out of the league.
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Lmao

Tell me more about how he reminds you of Jamarcus and Byron Leftwich.

 
Capella said:
bucsbaby said:
lod01 said:
When the bucs screw up and take this guy, Lovie will be gone after the 2016 season and this guy will be a backup at best but most likely out of the league.
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I fear you will be right, but hope you aren't
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Just be happy we have a crack at a franchise QB instead of drafting some stupid safety or a DE with one arm.
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The Bucs have been so laughably awful in the draft the odds are Winston is going to be a star. It's just statistically impossible for Tampa to continue to whiff in the first round.

 
Jimbo Fisher QB's: EJ Manuel, Ponder, Jamarcus (at LSU).

What he said about Russell at the time:

"I've always believed that you measure a quarterback on his bad days, not his good days," said Jimbo Fisher, who was Russell's offensive coordinator at LSU (Fisher left to take the same position at Florida State following the 2006 season). "When you're not having your best day, how do you respond? Can you stay into it and manage the game? JaMarcus knew he was a great player with great ability -- and he also knew, if something went wrong or if he messed something up, that he would usually get another chance.

"If he got that ball at the end of the game, he was going to beat your tail -- and he knew it."

“He is very talented and he is very intelligent,” Fisher said. “Intelligence isn’t an issue with him.”
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Take whatever Fisher says with a grain of salt.

 
Grahamburn said:
Capella said:
bucsbaby said:
lod01 said:
When the bucs screw up and take this guy, Lovie will be gone after the 2016 season and this guy will be a backup at best but most likely out of the league.
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I fear you will be right, but hope you aren't
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Just be happy we have a crack at a franchise QB instead of drafting some stupid safety or a DE with one arm.
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The Bucs have been so laughably awful in the draft the odds are Winston is going to be a star. It's just statistically impossible for Tampa to continue to whiff in the first round.
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Statistics caught up with them last year in Evans.

 
are people really judging a qb by how he does in his pro day? johnny football did great at his pro day and bridgewater did not.

horrible way to evaluate a players talent, game film is the only and best way to judge any one. until players get to play without helmets and in shorts and a tshirt why even waste time with the formalities of a pro day with the combine and individual private workouts. they do exactly what they did at the combine anyways.

 
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