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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (2 Viewers)

Josh Weinfuss ESPN Staff Writer 



Cardinals coach Bruce Arians, who has coached the likes of Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck as young quarterbacks, said on SiriusXM NFL Radio on Tuesday night that Tampa Bay QB Jameis Winston showed the type of skill last season that those three did in their rookie years. Arians expects Winston to grow at the same pace Manning, Roethlisberger and Luck did in Year 2: "I think you're going to see something special," Arians said.
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They didn't get torched by the Pats on Sunday but they gave up a lot. And the bucs will have better weapons and QB than what the pats ran out there Sunday. 

 
lod01 said:
In about 6 months the bucs will wonder why he sucks. In a year or so they will be wondering who dropped the ball on trading out of the #1 pick. In 2 years a new regime will have drafted a new QB while watching a couple QBs from the previous draft become All-Pro.
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Wondering...which one of these newbies will be all-pro and who the Bucs are gonna draft next year.  The excitement is killing me!

 
Also get some quotes from cstu, sabertooth, and other dudes that were in denial as well. It gets really interesting right around page 60 when the Bucs take JW with the 1st overall pick. 

 
The Cardinals have a serious problem in the secondary at the cornerback position opposite Peterson. If Peterson stays on Evans, I could see Jackson having a pretty good day, and Winston may just throw away from PP all day long.

 
He's been inaccurate today...big time...but his first pick at least was a great throw that Evans just got beat on.  Looks to me like he's throwing a tighter harder ball than ever. But the touch passes and timing aren't there today.  We NEVER play well out west...

 
Capella said:
They didn't get torched by the Pats on Sunday but they gave up a lot. And the bucs will have better weapons and QB than what the pats ran out there Sunday. 
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That sure didn't work out the way you thought it would, now did it? So what happened? I mean your dude sucked ###. He was THE #1 reason they lost.

Hello???? Anyone home? :lmao:

 
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I think at this point some of us supporters need to admit that Tampa drafted the black Brett Favre. Can be amazing one week, and a turnover machine the next. And there's nothing wrong with that. Brett is in the HoF after all. Won a SB and was in plenty of playoffs. But there will likely be some of these games to end a few seasons in the playoffs in the future. There may also well be a SB in the future if he can string a few nice performances together.

 
ShamrockPride said:
I think at this point some of us supporters need to admit that Tampa drafted the black Brett Favre. Can be amazing one week, and a turnover machine the next. And there's nothing wrong with that. Brett is in the HoF after all. Won a SB and was in plenty of playoffs. But there will likely be some of these games to end a few seasons in the playoffs in the future. There may also well be a SB in the future if he can string a few nice performances together.
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I'd say Eli Manning is a better comparison. 

 
cstu said:
:lol:
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Lol, you were no where to be seen last week. Guess you only show up to gloat when Winston has a bad game?

I wasn't expecting Jameis to be great against the Cardinals, but I was hoping for a better performance and for him to limit the turnovers. With that being said, his receivers didn't help. On the 1st INT, Jameis saw he had Evans 1 on 1 deep so he pretty much threw it up to him. Evans later said he lost the ball in the lights, so it ended up in an uncontested pick for PP. Evans is the least of our worries and I'm not blaming him for this, but it's also tough to throw it on Jameis too.

V-Jax looks straight up disinterested and his effort on the 2nd INT was pathetic. Yes, it was a little bit behind him but make a freaking effort man. If he's going to continue to pull this crap, I really hope this is his last year.

On the pick 6, the ball was tipped at the line and still was right in Sims hands but he dropped it and it went right to the Cardinals. Sims is usually sure handed so I'm not sure what happened there but again, not Jameis' fault.

Started watching other games after the pick 6 so I can't say what happened with the 4th one.

 
Bucsfan5493 said:
Lol, you were no where to be seen last week. Guess you only show up to gloat when Winston has a bad game?

I wasn't expecting Jameis to be great against the Cardinals, but I was hoping for a better performance and for him to limit the turnovers. With that being said, his receivers didn't help. On the 1st INT, Jameis saw he had Evans 1 on 1 deep so he pretty much threw it up to him. Evans later said he lost the ball in the lights, so it ended up in an uncontested pick for PP. Evans is the least of our worries and I'm not blaming him for this, but it's also tough to throw it on Jameis too.

V-Jax looks straight up disinterested and his effort on the 2nd INT was pathetic. Yes, it was a little bit behind him but make a freaking effort man. If he's going to continue to pull this crap, I really hope this is his last year.

On the pick 6, the ball was tipped at the line and still was right in Sims hands but he dropped it and it went right to the Cardinals. Sims is usually sure handed so I'm not sure what happened there but again, not Jameis' fault.

Started watching other games after the pick 6 so I can't say what happened with the 4th one.
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Him and Lod haven't been seen since like week 6 last year, and when Winston returns to normal they won't be see again until he has another poor game. 

Don't feed the trolls. 

Edit: and the 4th int was a Hail Mary on the last play of the game. 

 
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The pick 6 is on the play caller, they called that WR screen way too many times in the second half, it worked a couple times at first but you have to know an NFL defense will adjust.

 
Bucsfan5493 said:
Lol, you were no where to be seen last week. Guess you only show up to gloat when Winston has a bad game?

I wasn't expecting Jameis to be great against the Cardinals, but I was hoping for a better performance and for him to limit the turnovers. With that being said, his receivers didn't help. On the 1st INT, Jameis saw he had Evans 1 on 1 deep so he pretty much threw it up to him. Evans later said he lost the ball in the lights, so it ended up in an uncontested pick for PP. Evans is the least of our worries and I'm not blaming him for this, but it's also tough to throw it on Jameis too.

V-Jax looks straight up disinterested and his effort on the 2nd INT was pathetic. Yes, it was a little bit behind him but make a freaking effort man. If he's going to continue to pull this crap, I really hope this is his last year.

On the pick 6, the ball was tipped at the line and still was right in Sims hands but he dropped it and it went right to the Cardinals. Sims is usually sure handed so I'm not sure what happened there but again, not Jameis' fault.

Started watching other games after the pick 6 so I can't say what happened with the 4th one.
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So you can't read? I told you that ATL D sucks right after the game. Now you played a real D and look what happened.

 
Capella said:
Him and Lod haven't been seen since like week 6 last year, and when Winston returns to normal they won't be see again until he has another poor game. 

Don't feed the trolls. 

Edit: and the 4th int was a Hail Mary on the last play of the game. 
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Right. :lmao:

Last week you were feeding the trolls all you could. The trolls are dining on crab legs this week.

 
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lod001 said:
So you can't read? I told you that ATL D sucks right after the game. Now you played a real D and look what happened.
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I know I'm responding to the dopey troll, but your analysis sucks, you know nothing about football, Atlanta just beat Oakland at Oakland, Winston threw for 4100 yards and had 28 touchdowns last year (lots of bad defenses I guess!) and finally, you know nothing about football. 

 
Capella said:
I know I'm responding to the dopey troll, but your analysis sucks, you know nothing about football, Atlanta just beat Oakland at Oakland, Winston threw for 4100 yards and had 28 touchdowns last year (lots of bad defenses I guess!) and finally, you know nothing about football. 
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:lmao:  That's the best you could come up with? You & your boy got taken out behind the wood shed and beaten to a pulp this weekend. Yeah it was a ton of bad defenses. I already posted the rankings (of the D's he played last year) previously.

7 of his games were vs the bottom 10 passs Ds. NO (twice) NYG, JAX, PHIL, TENN. Wash. You can find the info here: http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/position/defense/year/2015/order/false

Smoke on that.

 
Capella said:
Him and Lod haven't been seen since like week 6 last year, and when Winston returns to normal they won't be see again until he has another poor game. 

Don't feed the trolls. 

Edit: and the 4th int was a Hail Mary on the last play of the game. 
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If they lost 40-7, why were they throwing a hail mary at the end of the game? It would gain nothing. Suppose one of their WR's got hurt? Just kneel down and move on to next week.

 
Bucsfan5493 said:
Lol, you were no where to be seen last week. Guess you only show up to gloat when Winston has a bad game?

I wasn't expecting Jameis to be great against the Cardinals, but I was hoping for a better performance and for him to limit the turnovers. With that being said, his receivers didn't help. On the 1st INT, Jameis saw he had Evans 1 on 1 deep so he pretty much threw it up to him. Evans later said he lost the ball in the lights, so it ended up in an uncontested pick for PP. Evans is the least of our worries and I'm not blaming him for this, but it's also tough to throw it on Jameis too.

V-Jax looks straight up disinterested and his effort on the 2nd INT was pathetic. Yes, it was a little bit behind him but make a freaking effort man. If he's going to continue to pull this crap, I really hope this is his last year.

On the pick 6, the ball was tipped at the line and still was right in Sims hands but he dropped it and it went right to the Cardinals. Sims is usually sure handed so I'm not sure what happened there but again, not Jameis' fault.

Started watching other games after the pick 6 so I can't say what happened with the 4th one.
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Because I knew this was coming.  I don't want to argue about Jameis anymore.  I compared him to Cutler and that's looking more and more correct. 

 
Code: 
Player 	From 	To 	    Draft 	Tm 	Lg 	G 	GS 	Cmp Att Cmp% 	Yds TD 	Int TD% 	Int% 	Rate 	Sk 	Yds Y/A 	AY/A 	ANY/A 	Y/G     W L T

Winston	2015	2016	1-1	    TAM	NFL	18	18	362	619	58.48	4566 27	20	4.40	3.23	82.6	30	212	7.38	6.79	6.15	253.7	7 11 0

Cutler	2006	2007	1-11	DEN	NFL	21	21	378	604	62.58	4498 29	19	4.80	3.15	88.2	40	238	7.45	6.99	6.19	214.2	9 12 0

 
cstu said:
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Player 	From 	To 	    Draft 	Tm 	Lg 	G 	GS 	Cmp Att Cmp% 	Yds TD 	Int TD% 	Int% 	Rate 	Sk 	Yds Y/A 	AY/A 	ANY/A 	Y/G     W L T

Winston	2015	2016	1-1	    TAM	NFL	18	18	362	619	58.48	4566 27	20	4.40	3.23	82.6	30	212	7.38	6.79	6.15	253.7	7 11 0

Cutler	2006	2007	1-11	DEN	NFL	21	21	378	604	62.58	4498 29	19	4.80	3.15	88.2	40	238	7.45	6.99	6.19	214.2	9 12 0
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You forgot some stats

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RUSHING
	Year	Team	G	Att	Att/G	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	TD	Lng	1st	1st%	20+	40+	FUM
Winston	2015	TAM	16	54	3.4	213	3.9	13.3	6	21	18	33.3	2	0	3
Cutler	2007	DEN	16	44	2.8	205	4.7	12.8	1	31	15	34.1	4	0	7
 
I looked them up.  It took 4 seasons before cutler had a season like jameis had last year.  Cutler also had like 26 ints that year.  Poor comparison

 
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