QB Jameis Winston, NYG (2 Viewers)

[Faust]

Jameis Winston on his return: 'I'm not a selfish player'

 

[LawFitz]

Looking like post-bye start at the earliest, based on the tone of his press conference today. That's assuming Fitz doesn't tear up the Bears.

 

[shadrap]

Looking like post-bye start at the earliest, based on the tone of his press conference today. That's assuming Fitz doesn't tear up the Bears.

If he has a solid game against the Bears I think he keeps the job for a while, anything less than average gives the brass ammo to go with Winston.  IMO

 

[TZMarkie]

can you elaborate? what constituted a meltdown?

Was it the part where two of his INTs were not his fault?

Or was it the part where he lead his team back down 3 scores to give them a chance to win?

I guess I was watching a different game than you. I didnt see a meltdown. unless all you're doing is looking at the box score 

It was the part where he made some very reckless throws, I saw probably 3 or more throws that just seemed rushed (a couple were late and I know that happens in catch up mode ) and if memory serves correctly at least 1 should have been an INT. I'm well aware at one of his early INT's was batted.

 I watched every minute of the game, other than the bull#### "ad free halftime" which was led in directly with an ad placement LOL.

Go back and watch again, starting late in the second quarter.

 I remember several passes where he just should have thrown the ball away, but he flung it wildly in the immediate vicinity of defenders. Look, its not like this is some new movie we haven't seen before, we all know this is usually how it ends up.  I'm not exactly expecting this guy to be Aaron Rodgers, nor Tom Brady.  All QBs make some of these bad throws under pressure, Fitz just makes a few more than some of the others.

 (I do admit to being an owner when he had his great Jets run there awhile back though)

The meltdown was absolutely starting to take place, but halftime came at just the right time in my opinion. He seemed to gather himself a bit. But several of those throws late game were just not what you want to see.

 If you think you were watching a different game, then go back and watch it again.

All this is really irrelevant, judge it how you want, no harm no foul. Make your own decisions accordingly.    I cut him last night, and put Winston on the bench in the one league I could spare the roster spot not taken up by needed RBs for depth. I'd much rather have him at the ready when he eventually gets back in, than starting Fitz, knowing whats going to transpire sooner or later.

In a few weeks theres a good chance everyone is going to be running to the wire to acquire a possible QB1 in Winston, and I'm going to have him already. His weeks 10-14 schedule looks pretty good, and hopefully by then he will be firing on all cylinders.  I do admit his two road games in weeks 15-16 are something to think about though. @BAL and @ DAL

TZM

 

[BigJonE300]

Well it really hurt to do but I cut the #1 QB so far in two different dynasty leagues that has a roster cap of 2-QBs.  I have Watson and Wentz as my QB1s so I'm not hurting, but the Bucs' situation sure did make my backup QB a pain in the rear to plan for so far.  

I didn't see too much of the first half on Monday night but I did catch the entire 4th quarter.  I tried not to let it cloud my judgement.  I cannot see throwing Winston to waivers in a dynasty league though.  That was what ultimately led me to cut Fitz.  Long term I'll take Winston over Fitzpatrick without question.

 

[Tanner9919]

It was the part where he made some very reckless throws, I saw probably 3 or more throws that just seemed rushed (a couple were late and I know that happens in catch up mode ) and if memory serves correctly at least 1 should have been an INT. I'm well aware at one of his early INT's was batted.

 I watched every minute of the game, other than the bull#### "ad free halftime" which was led in directly with an ad placement LOL.

Go back and watch again, starting late in the second quarter.

 I remember several passes where he just should have thrown the ball away, but he flung it wildly in the immediate vicinity of defenders. Look, its not like this is some new movie we haven't seen before, we all know this is usually how it ends up.  I'm not exactly expecting this guy to be Aaron Rodgers, nor Tom Brady.  All QBs make some of these bad throws under pressure, Fitz just makes a few more than some of the others.

 (I do admit to being an owner when he had his great Jets run there awhile back though)

The meltdown was absolutely starting to take place, but halftime came at just the right time in my opinion. He seemed to gather himself a bit. But several of those throws late game were just not what you want to see.

 If you think you were watching a different game, then go back and watch it again.

All this is really irrelevant, judge it how you want, no harm no foul. Make your own decisions accordingly.    I cut him last night, and put Winston on the bench in the one league I could spare the roster spot not taken up by needed RBs for depth. I'd much rather have him at the ready when he eventually gets back in, than starting Fitz, knowing whats going to transpire sooner or later.

In a few weeks theres a good chance everyone is going to be running to the wire to acquire a possible QB1 in Winston, and I'm going to have him already. His weeks 10-14 schedule looks pretty good, and hopefully by then he will be firing on all cylinders.  I do admit his two road games in weeks 15-16 are something to think about though. @BAL and @ DAL

TZM

I watched a lot of the j-e-t-s- when I lived in NJ. Fitz was good for a while.then fizzled out..he's Bratt Favre without the talent - he's a gunslinger..but he causes critical , unforced errors in the WORST times in games..

look at it this way: had his 3 INTS on MNF occured in the 2nd half, we'd be talking about a GUARANTEE that Winston is starting this weekend. the ONLY saving grace for fitz is that his picks came in the first half, while his 3 tds came in the 2nd half. people are more inclined to remember the good and not the bad. 

this guy is what he has always been - a gunslinger without a conscience, one who is wreckless and careless..I dont see him making it past halftime vs. the Bears...and those who loved what he did end of last season - wasn;t that when he KNEW that he was the guy and that Winston was down-n-out? yeah.and same this year..2 games he looks unstoppable.week before JW comes back , he tosses 3 picks. dont misread that...

people, there's a REASON he's played on SOOOOOOOOOO many teams in his NFL career. hell,NYJ let him go to hand the jjob to J. McCown!!!! LOL. 

cmon now.anyone holding out hope that fitz and his short shelf life magic will last as a starting QB past this weekend, are dillusional..seek help. 

just.stop..

and yes, Winston is a LOCK top 5 QB going forward..

 

[Interseptopus]

It was the part where he made some very reckless throws, I saw probably 3 or more throws that just seemed rushed (a couple were late and I know that happens in catch up mode ) and if memory serves correctly at least 1 should have been an INT. I'm well aware at one of his early INT's was batted.

 I watched every minute of the game, other than the bull#### "ad free halftime" which was led in directly with an ad placement LOL.

Go back and watch again, starting late in the second quarter.

 I remember several passes where he just should have thrown the ball away, but he flung it wildly in the immediate vicinity of defenders. Look, its not like this is some new movie we haven't seen before, we all know this is usually how it ends up.  I'm not exactly expecting this guy to be Aaron Rodgers, nor Tom Brady.  All QBs make some of these bad throws under pressure, Fitz just makes a few more than some of the others.

 (I do admit to being an owner when he had his great Jets run there awhile back though)

The meltdown was absolutely starting to take place, but halftime came at just the right time in my opinion. He seemed to gather himself a bit. But several of those throws late game were just not what you want to see.

 If you think you were watching a different game, then go back and watch it again.

All this is really irrelevant, judge it how you want, no harm no foul. Make your own decisions accordingly.    I cut him last night, and put Winston on the bench in the one league I could spare the roster spot not taken up by needed RBs for depth. I'd much rather have him at the ready when he eventually gets back in, than starting Fitz, knowing whats going to transpire sooner or later.

In a few weeks theres a good chance everyone is going to be running to the wire to acquire a possible QB1 in Winston, and I'm going to have him already. His weeks 10-14 schedule looks pretty good, and hopefully by then he will be firing on all cylinders.  I do admit his two road games in weeks 15-16 are something to think about though. @BAL and @ DAL

TZM

I'm trying to get through engrams injury to grab him. I have Goff and figure both are a winning combo. hoping engram is back week 5

 

[ShamrockPride]

People struggle to separate the off field and on field with him.  He's not a good guy. 

I think why people have such a hard time with this or confuse it very easily, is because he really is a great teammate as far as his willingness to take blame for a loss, and willing to be a rah-rah sideline cheerleader when he's not playing. He plays with a great passion and energy. And there's so much footage of him doing just that. In huddles, eating W's, it all gives most people a false representation.

 

[Todem]

I watched a lot of the j-e-t-s- when I lived in NJ. Fitz was good for a while.then fizzled out..he's Bratt Favre without the talent - he's a gunslinger..but he causes critical , unforced errors in the WORST times in games..

look at it this way: had his 3 INTS on MNF occured in the 2nd half, we'd be talking about a GUARANTEE that Winston is starting this weekend. the ONLY saving grace for fitz is that his picks came in the first half, while his 3 tds came in the 2nd half. people are more inclined to remember the good and not the bad. 

this guy is what he has always been - a gunslinger without a conscience, one who is wreckless and careless..I dont see him making it past halftime vs. the Bears...and those who loved what he did end of last season - wasn;t that when he KNEW that he was the guy and that Winston was down-n-out? yeah.and same this year..2 games he looks unstoppable.week before JW comes back , he tosses 3 picks. dont misread that...

people, there's a REASON he's played on SOOOOOOOOOO many teams in his NFL career. hell,NYJ let him go to hand the jjob to J. McCown!!!! LOL. 

cmon now.anyone holding out hope that fitz and his short shelf life magic will last as a starting QB past this weekend, are dillusional..seek help. 

just.stop..

and yes, Winston is a LOCK top 5 QB going forward..

I think everyone knows What Fitzmagic is. A lot of us are having fun watching this play out. Hard not to root for Fitz man. 

But the bolded? Dude in today's NFL......take your pick from a lot of QB's. The offense is waaaaaaaay up. You can't touch WR's, can't touch QB's. 

It's easy to pass and be a yardage whore in the NFL now. The QB position in fantasy football is quite deep.

 

[lod001]

So your strategy is to tank another season to get the #1 pick? You wouldn't be employed very long.

Yep, Bucs would be the one with the franchise QB Jared Goff. I would have been named GM of the century.

Goff is nowhere near JW or MM right now. He's behind Cook, Jones and maybe even Hackenburg.

Maybe with a great season he can leap up to #1 but no GM is passing on these guys based on that hope. Idiotic.

oops. I told you guys Wentz and Goff were better that Winston.

 

[need2know]

Yep, Bucs would be the one with the franchise QB Jared Goff. I would have been named GM of the century.

oops. I told you guys Wentz and Goff were better that Winston.

What's crazy is Winston's wrs are way above average.  He should have better stats than what he has

 

[Krilons Resa]

What's crazy is Winston's wrs are way above average.  He should have better stats than what he has

We'll find out how he does with Monken calling the plays; who is MUCH better than Koetter.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Buc homers in particular - Any way Fitz holds Winston off long-term (ROS) or is a Winston start inevitable making him a must pick-up if you're a Fitz owner?

 

[King of the Jungle]

Winston is inaccurate throwing the deep ball. Fitz has been good with the deep ball. I think the leash should be longer then it probably is. The real question is how manic is Coach Dirk? He may be playing for his job this year so if a couple of loses pile up a switch will probably occur out of desperation and blame displacement. 

 

[Elevencents]

If you think Fitz is holding the starting job long term you’re delusional. HOWEVER, that is not to say Winston doesn’t do something to sabotage himself, but Fitz won’t keep him off the field personally. 

 

[jtp1982]

Buc homers in particular - Any way Fitz holds Winston off long-term (ROS) or is a Winston start inevitable making him a must pick-up if you're a Fitz owner?

Not a TB homer just reading local outlets down there past couple weeks these are my takeaways:

- The TB players care about winning.  They like Fitz and Winston, but they like winning more (this includes Winston’s BFF Evans).  Players will continue to make a point of staying out of who should start at QB in the coming weeks.  I do get the feeling criticism of Fitzpatrick from players will leak out if he were to lose a game for them though.

- Fans and media on the other hand are very into Fitz, definite connection there.  Lots of human interest stories about him; they talk about his family, interview his neighbors, etc...  It’s a good story and people like a good story.

As a Fitz owner I think he starts after the bye if he plays well this week AND they win. As soon as either thing doesn’t happen this season (which is guaranteed) it will become a confusing mess with roughly 50/50 odds on the QB starter the next week, probably with an edge to Winston.

So ya Winston taking over at some point is inevitable in 99% of the ways this plays out.

As a result I plan to p/u Winston.  

Most interesting thing to me is that right now all the pressure is on Fitz with Winston right in his rear view mirror, but depending on how Winston takes the starting job back those roles could be reversed later in the season.

 

[Truebluey]

Interesting analysis jtp.

I watched a fair bit of their preseason and imo Winston looked great. But of course he was throwing to these same tremendous receivers that Fitz has.

My gut says that it will be hard for Fitz to hold off Jameis for too long.

 

[formerfourdigit]

question i am sure is answered here in this thread, but where is Jameis on his contract?  Is it team option next year?  

 

[jtp1982]

I agree.  Will probably be Winston but either way I’m hoping to ride a TB quarterback as the season goes on.

JUICY schedule.  Week 16 at Dallas is the only really suspect matchup after Chicago this week, but by then who knows how the Dallas D is playing.

 

[Grahamburn]

question i am sure is answered here in this thread, but where is Jameis on his contract?  Is it team option next year?  

They have already picked up Winston's option for next year.

 

[Arodin]

They have already picked up Winston's option for next year.

As we have seen with other QBs, the option is only locked in if Winston is injured at the start of the league year.  Even having picked up the option, he can still be cut without penalty.

So if the Bucs have decided to move on (big if), it adds incentive to stay with Fitz and not play Jameis at all, to avoid injury.  

 

[Bayhawks]

They have already picked up Winston's option for next year.

But those options are only guaranteed against injury.  It doesn’t become fully guaranteed until the first day of the 2019 league year.  So, if they wanted to walk away, they still could, I think.

**ETA-I don’t think they will, just that I think they “could”**

 

[Bri]

As we have seen with other QBs, the option is only locked in if Winston is injured at the start of the league year.  Even having picked up the option, he can still be cut without penalty.

So if the Bucs have decided to move on (big if), it adds incentive to stay with Fitz and not play Jameis at all, to avoid injury.  

This is an awful time for backup QBs. This year's rookies have helped the mix. If I were a GM, I would feel fortunate I'm one of the teams with two and any addition would be a third. When the third is ready for a bump, only then would I make a move. I'd be so guarded about my QBs.

Fitz does have some history of getting hot. He also cools down. He is old. I mean he was third stringer behind Warner with those Rams. I'd enjoy the ride with him and ask Winston a thousand times why is this working, what did he do there, etc. You can't miss that Winston can learn from this. Maybe even consider a QB coach issue? Not sure.

The expensive 5th year option could be renegotiated to be an extension at a more reasonable rate with incentives. 

 

[rockaction]

Selection One, Round One. The albatross looms large in this debate.   

 

[rockaction]

Yep, Bucs would be the one with the franchise QB Jared Goff. I would have been named GM of the century.

oops. I told you guys Wentz and Goff were better that Winston.

Not if you retained Jeff Fisher as coach, you wouldn't.  

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston completed 16-of-20 passes for 145 yards, one touchdown, and two picks in the Bucs' Week 4 loss to the Bears.

An 80% completion rate is actually impressive given that Winston was suspended and away from football during the first three weeks. He replaced Ryan Fitzpatrick, who tossed an interception in his own right, at the half and will seemingly stay under center (barring injury) for the remainder of the season. Winston will have the entire bye week to become acclimated to football again and will return in Week 6 as a sneaky low-end QB1 against the Falcons' injury-riddled secondary.

Sep 30 - 9:54 PM

 

[doeseatplace]

"Winston will have the entire bye week to become acclimated to football again and will return in Week 6 as a sneaky low-end QB1 against the Falcons' injury-riddled secondary."

Last three QBs against Falcons:

71% comp rate, 337 yds, 3 TDs

80% comp rate, 396 yds, 5 TDs

71% comp rate, 335 yds, 3 TDs

Pretty sneaky, sis. CJ Beathard against ATL might be "sneaky"; Winston probably QB SOTW

 

[jtp1982]

Last three QBs against Falcons:

71% comp rate, 337 yds, 3 TDs

80% comp rate, 396 yds, 5 TDs

71% comp rate, 335 yds, 3 TDs

Pretty sneaky, sis. CJ Beathard against ATL might be "sneaky"; Winston probably QB SOTW

I’ll be playing him that week.  Unless the D gets better Winston will have to put up 35+ FPs just to keep from getting blown out.

That’s really the only thing I’m worried about over the course of the season with his situation, blow-out game scripts due to TBs horrendous defense and locker room morale if they don’t start winning. 

Week 6 win would be really good for that team, reading post game comments from those guys and they sound devastated.

 

[Truebluey]

I’ll be playing him that week.  Unless the D gets better Winston will have to put up 35+ FPs just to keep from getting blown out.

That’s really the only thing I’m worried about over the course of the season with his situation, blow-out game scripts due to TBs horrendous defense and locker room morale if they don’t start winning. 

Week 6 win would be really good for that team, reading post game comments from those guys and they sound devastated.

Their pass coverage is horrendous. I can't even imagine how they can looks so bad. It's mind-boggling.

But as long as they just don't give up on the season, it does ensure positive game scripts for Winston.

 

[TZMarkie]

    I cut him last night, and put Winston on the bench in the one league I could spare the roster spot not taken up by needed RBs for depth. I'd much rather have him at the ready when he eventually gets back in, than starting Fitz, knowing whats going to transpire sooner or later.

In a few weeks theres a good chance everyone is going to be running to the wire to acquire a possible QB1 in Winston, and I'm going to have him already. His weeks 10-14 schedule looks pretty good, and hopefully by then he will be firing on all cylinders.  I do admit his two road games in weeks 15-16 are something to think about though. @BAL and @ DAL

TZM

This may have just helped to save my fantasy season. I tried to tell everyone Fitzpatrick was going to be ousted. (I hope some of you made a move while you could do it free)

Not that I'm really happy about it, but I do feel like I saw what I needed to see, then the coaching came out and said he was "just 1 or 2 plays away from being benched".

 I'll be 2-2, but at least I will have someone to start at QB in 2 weeks.

In other news, I have Russell Wilson in 2 OTHER leagues, and my God is he terrible.  Same bull#### a couple years ago, then he took off like a Roman Candle late season after I dropped him.

Debating on claiming Winston in the other leagues too, and benching Wilson.  Yeah, fantasy is a swiftly moving current.  Never thought I would ever say I would bench Wilson in favor of Winston. But its looking like that is about to happen.

I feel dirty.  I might even have to start Bortles or Smith this week, while the TB QB carousel is on bye.  Maybe I should make a gif of ME eating one of those "W"s , like Winston did in Hard Knocks.  

 TZM

 

[jtp1982]

This may have just helped to save my fantasy season. I tried to tell everyone Fitzpatrick was going to be ousted. (I hope some of you made a move while you could do it free)

Not that I'm really happy about it, but I do feel like I saw what I needed to see, then the coaching came out and said he was "just 1 or 2 plays away from being benched".

 I'll be 2-2, but at least I will have someone to start at QB in 2 weeks.

In other news, I have Russell Wilson in 2 OTHER leagues, and my God is he terrible.  Same bull#### a couple years ago, then he took off like a Roman Candle late season after I dropped him.

Debating on claiming Winston in the other leagues too, and benching Wilson.  Yeah, fantasy is a swiftly moving current.  Never thought I would ever say I would bench Wilson in favor of Winston. But its looking like that is about to happen.

I feel dirty.  I might even have to start Bortles or Smith this week, while the TB QB carousel is on bye.  Maybe I should make a gif of ME eating one of those "W"s , like Winston did in Hard Knocks.  

 TZM

Wilson has a habit of heating up second half of the season.  I’d bench him for plenty of guys when he’s slumping but keep him rostered. 

Bortles did the same thing last year actually.  He was very startable for the last half of the season all the way through the fantasy playoffs

Id roster either with Winston and play the hot hand/matchups

 

[TZMarkie]

Wilson has a habit of heating up second half of the season.  I’d bench him for plenty of guys when he’s slumping but keep him rostered. 

Bortles did the same thing last year actually.  He was very startable for the last half of the season all the way through the fantasy playoffs

Id roster either with Winston and play the hot hand/matchups

For sure on Bortles.   I mentioned it either in this thread, or the Fitzmagic thread.  I actually rostered Bortles 2 times in the last 2 seasons, and BOTH TIMES he was a late season pickup.  He also helped me win 2 championships in those 2 leagues I picked him up. (Err, not saying he was the exact reason why..... but he helped and filled in nicely over the other lackluster QBs I was starting prior)

I mentioned earlier in this thread (or maybe it was the Fitzpatrick thread), Winston has a very strong schedule in weeks 10-14. Judging from that defense, they might be in comeback mode damn near every week. But I will for sure be rolling him out those weeks.

I also mentioned his weeks 15 and 16 schedule. (@BAL and @DAL)  I don't like those fantasy playoffs matchups, but like I alluded to, I need to get there first.

I won't be dropping Wilson, but Winston has the recipe working to be one Hell of a play for that stretch and help many owners get to the playoffs.

I'm going to find out on this one. 

TZM

 

[jtp1982]

Ya QB is a deep position but the TB schedule down the stretch looks like the stuff of a championship run as far as fantasy QB production

 

[Faust]

Career is at a crossroads: Jameis Winston returns for Bucs

 

[zftcg]

Ya QB is a deep position but the TB schedule down the stretch looks like the stuff of a championship run as far as fantasy QB production

The only thing that has my spidey sense tingling was everyone was saying the same thing a couple years ago when he faced NO twice in the fantasy playoffs. As I recall, he didn't do much.

I'm not putting too much stock in SoS at this point. But I am looking at the fact that he is now running the offense with all those weapons that produced three straight 400-yard games for Fitz to start the season.

Only real question is how things might change with Jameis in there. Fewer deep shots, presumably. Bump Brate and downgrade DJax. But overall, I think they can continue to produce. I'm planning on pairing him with Luck and seeing how the next few weeks shake out. Don't like to carry two QBs if I can avoid it but they both have big potential with a bunch of question marks hanging over them.

 

[lod001]

Not if you retained Jeff Fisher as coach, you wouldn't.  

If I stepped into a GM job with that guy at HC, he'd be the first one gone and then anyone he hired. 

Their pass coverage is horrendous. I can't even imagine how they can looks so bad. It's mind-boggling.

But as long as they just don't give up on the season, it does ensure positive game scripts for Winston.

You think it's bad now. If they make the mistake of signing this guy to a big $ contract, they will not only stink on D, they won't be able to keep all their skill position guys. They will look like Seattle. You can get any ham & egger QB to perform with this O.

 

[Grahamburn]

If I stepped into a GM job with that guy at HC, he'd be the first one gone and then anyone he hired. 

You think it's bad now. If they make the mistake of signing this guy to a big $ contract, they will not only stink on D, they won't be able to keep all their skill position guys. They will look like Seattle. You can get any ham & egger QB to perform with this O.

All their skill position guys, other than DeSean, are either on their rookie deals or signed to extensions. 

 

[lod001]

All their skill position guys, other than DeSean, are either on their rookie deals or signed to extensions. 

Right but when they come due, they will either lose them or franchise one. I'm talking Mike Evans, the OL, the TEs', Godwin, etc. Evans is gonna want to be paid and he perpetually bails out Winston. Although there was no one to bail out Winston on the throw that went right to the Bears defender yesterday.

See Seattle and the cast of bums that Wilson is working with. Once you pay the QB big $, you can't afford to protect him, keep all your best receivers AND build a solid D. You build a D or score gobs of points. You cannot do both. You put it on the QB to be the one to take you to wins. Some can do it. Rodgers, Brees, etc. Some can't. Hell, Flacco parlayed a powerhouse D in to a serious theft of $. Look what happened to them. One playoff appearance since. Haven't done #### since. Castoffs at WR currently while trying to continue building a strong D because he's really not very good. They can compete because they are continually building their D to compete but they are not winning SBs, which is the goal. This team has no D. Once you pay Winston huge $, you won't be able to compete for top of the line FAs.

It's the way the NFL is. Build a strong O with franchise QB & score lots of points or build a strong D with a ham & egger QB and win low scoring games.

 

[Grahamburn]

It's the way the NFL is. Build a strong O with franchise QB & score lots of points or build a strong D with a ham & egger QB and win low scoring games.

Clearly they're miles away from building a strong D.  Mike Evans is signed through 2023.  O.J. Howard and Godwin are in their second year.  Ronald Jones is a rookie.  Obviously you don't agree, but it appears they've already made their decision on the direction they want to go with the QB.

All of this could change at the end of the season though. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

 Evans is gonna want to be paid and he perpetually bails out Winston.

He signed a five-year, $82.5 million extension with $55 million guaranteed in May. I'd say he was paid.

 

[lod001]

Clearly they're miles away from building a strong D.  Mike Evans is signed through 2023.  O.J. Howard and Godwin are in their second year.  Ronald Jones is a rookie.  Obviously you don't agree, but it appears they've already made their decision on the direction they want to go with the QB.

All of this could change at the end of the season though. 

Oh, I know what's gonna happen. It's the Bucs. They will foolishly deliver a ton of $ to Winston, have no $ left since they are paying Evans big $ as well. Backload it as much as possible. It will be on Winston to win games like Rodgers does. He of course, will not be able to do so. We've already seen that for 3 years now. The more points you gotta put up, the more mistakes you will end up making and that guy is king of mistakes. He's Favre level mistake prone with 1/100th (generously) Favre level skills.

Evans will want a raise in 2021 as well.

 

[Deamon]

Officially named the Starter. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Oh, I know what's gonna happen. It's the Bucs.

You act like we, as Bucs’ fans, aren’t aware of the high level of stupidity it takes to miss the playoffs for 10+ years. 

I just watched this team give up 6 TD passes to a guy who threw all of 7 TDs in the entirety of the 2017 season.

I just watched this team single block the best pass rusher in the NFL on 80% of the snaps. 

There doesn’t even seem to be a plan for one game. I can’t imagine there’s one for the future of the franchise. 

They’re still employing a defensive coordinator whose archaic scheme has given up 400+ yards in 19 of his 36 games.

The GM trades UP to draft kickers in the second round.

The head coach suggests everyone be fired in his post game press conferences. 

The entire organization is a mess. Jameis Winston is the least of their problems. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Dirk Koetter: "Jameis Winston is going to be here a lot longer than I am."

Uhh. 

 

[Capella]

Dirk Koetter: "Jameis Winston is going to be here a lot longer than I am."

Uhh. 

Incredibly weird thing for a coach to say. He sounds like a dead man walking and they are 2-2. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Incredibly weird thing for a coach to say. He sounds like a dead man walking and they are 2-2. 

Reading between the lines I get the impression he wants to continue starting Fitzpatrick and the Glazers have suggested otherwise.  He certainly didn't go to bat for Jameis at all with that comment. 

Also defended Mike Smith in suggesting the coaches didn't miss tackles, blow coverages, have communication breakdowns, etc.  He's about to lose this team and they're 2-2.

In my opinion the season didn't truly start until this road game in Atlanta and he sounds like he's given up.

 

[jtp1982]

Everybody’s been talking about TB as Winston vs. Fitz but the real question is how can you get sustained QB fantasy success from this disaster of a coaching staff.

See podcast on this site, very representative of TB media right now: 

http://www.joebucsfan.com/

I don’t know what the answer to this question is yet.  We’ll find out when I start Winston after the bye, but coaching is the only real question here, biggest fantasy risk, and the potential limiting factor. 

 

[Capella]

Reading between the lines I get the impression he wants to continue starting Fitzpatrick and the Glazers have suggested otherwise.  He certainly didn't go to bat for Jameis at all with that comment. 

Also defended Mike Smith in suggesting the coaches didn't miss tackles, blow coverages, have communication breakdowns, etc.  He's about to lose this team and they're 2-2.

In my opinion the season didn't truly start until this road game in Atlanta and he sounds like he's given up.

That’s an interesting perspective about the Glazers. Stroud has been saying all summer that they love Jameis. Makes sense. 

 

[Grahamburn]

That’s an interesting perspective about the Glazers. Stroud has been saying all summer that they love Jameis. Makes sense. 

If Jameis was "his guy," wouldn't you go out of your way to make sure you say that?  As far back as the Winston/Mariota draft Jameis has never been Koetter's guy.  Then their weird interactions on Hard Knocks and the struggles that followed.  Then this year Koetter, understandably, was glowing about Fitzpatrick after those first two games.  Now this. 

Seems like he's probably going to get fired and the Glazers will hire someone who wants to work with Winston.

 

[Capella]

If Jameis was "his guy," wouldn't you go out of your way to make sure you say that?  As far back as the Winston/Mariota draft Jameis has never been Koetter's guy.  Then their weird interactions on Hard Knocks and the struggles that followed.  Then this year Koetter, understandably, was glowing about Fitzpatrick after those first two games.  Now this. 

Seems like he's probably going to get fired and the Glazers will hire someone who wants to work with Winston.

Dirk sucks but god I can’t believe we are going to churn through another coach.