QB Jimmy Garoppolo, LAR (2 Viewers)

[Godsbrother]

Agreed.

I would gladly take Jimmy G over what the Steelers currently have (duh) if they were only a piece or two away from being a contending team.  The problem is the need a couple pieces on their offensive line, a WR, an interior defensive lineman, a middle linebacker, and probably two defensive backs.

Trading away draft picks and spending cap space when those can be used to fill the holes above would be dumb.

Whoever trades for Jimmy G has to be a team that thinks they have enough pieces already on both sides of the ball and just need a decent QB to manage the game.

 

[smbkrypt24]

A team trading for Jimmy G reminds me of the Colts trading for Wentz.  Although, I think Wentz as a QB is better than Jimmy G.  As a Colts fan, at the time I liked the trade.  I now hate the trade for Wentz.  Whoever, trades for Jimmy G. I believe will regret it.

 

[travdogg]

Just as a quick tour around the league for QB landing spots, I see:

Carolina-more likely to draft a guy, either at 6 or via a trade down as they only have 1 pick in the top-100.

Denver-probably either trading for Watson/Rodgers, or bringing Teddy back and adding a rookie.

Detroit-probably drafting a guy with 3 picks inside the top-35. Almost certainly not at 2.

Houston-I don't think they are locked onto Mills as a starter at all, even though they like him. Jimmy G makes a lot of sense here. I'd be a little surprised by a rookie pick.

Indy-Could see a rookie or at least a high-end backup as they can't possibly feel good about Wentz right now, and believe themselves to be contenders. Probably not a guy on Jimmy G's level. Maybe a guy like Dalton or somebody like that. 

Miami-Could definitely still be in on a Watson deal, but I'm not seeing a rookie or a vet who would be anything more than insurance behind Tua. Teddy at best, but more likely someone like Mariota or just bringing back Brissett. I don't see McDaniel bringing Jimmy G with him. 

New Orleans-Could do just about anything, including nothing, and just bringing back Winston. Could see a rookie here, and also could see a swing for the fences on a guy like Watson, or possibly bringing back Teddy. 

NY Giants-I think they'll stick with Jones, but I think they'll certainly upgrade behind him. Another possible fit for guys in the Dalton/Brissett range. With 3 picks in the top-40, a rookie wouldn't surprise me, but not at 5 or 7. 

Philly-Hurts had a nice year and lead them to the playoffs, but I think they'll be very tempted by a rookie with 3 1sts. Watson is also on the table here as well.

Pittsburgh-I'm pretty much captain of the Mason Rudolph isn't actually any worse than Big Ben(the 2021 version) was club, but ideally they would do better. I think they are a front runner for Jimmy G. Steelers seem unlikely to go the rookie route to me. 

Tampa Bay-Tons of options here. I could see them just rolling with Kyle Trask, or adding a vet. A rookie would be a slight surprise, unless they've fully given up on Trask. They said Teddy was the backup option if Brady hasn't signed, so one would think he'd be on the radar as at least Trask insurance. Jimmy G would be an option as well, but more likely to be a starter since he'd cost draft capital. 

Washington-Another possible front runner for Jimmy G. Could also see a draft pick here. 

I have no doubts that Jimmy G should have value for the 49ers, likely a 2nd rounder, or like a 3rd+. 

 

[travdogg]

A team trading for Jimmy G reminds me of the Colts trading for Wentz.  Although, I think Wentz as a QB is better than Jimmy G.  As a Colts fan, at the time I liked the trade.  I now hate the trade for Wentz.  Whoever, trades for Jimmy G. I believe will regret it.

The Wentz trade wouldn't have been so bad, if not for the ability for the pick to easily become a 1st. If it were just a 2nd and maybe a 3rd, I think it would have looked better. Was always an overpay with such an attainable 1st on the table. 

I can't imagine any team being foolish/desperate enough to offer a similar deal for Jimmy G. I don't think anybody other than the Colts had interest in Wentz at that price, and that was seemingly fully because of Reich, and because they were a playoff team who thought they were a QB away. I don't think that scenario applies with Jimmy G this year. 

I do agree Wentz is probably better than Jimmy G. 

 

[fred_1_15301]

Has anyone yet noticed or mentioned that JimmyG is a very handsome man? 

Yeah - my wife has mentioned it many times    

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Agreed.

I would gladly take Jimmy G over what the Steelers currently have (duh) if they were only a piece or two away from being a contending team.  The problem is the need a couple pieces on their offensive line, a WR, an interior defensive lineman, a middle linebacker, and probably two defensive backs.

Trading away draft picks and spending cap space when those can be used to fill the holes above would be dumb.

Whoever trades for Jimmy G has to be a team that thinks they have enough pieces already on both sides of the ball and just need a decent QB to manage the game.

He’s better than what they have,  but IMO his skill set is not complimentary to the style of offense the Steelers want to run. His deep ball is just not particularly accurate, and he would likely kill Dionte’s FF value.

Plus that OL was pretty shaky last year - he he doesn’t have time to throw, “oh no” Jimmy shows up quick. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Guys like Jimmy G, Kirk Cousins, David Carr are QB purgatory. Cost money and draft picks. Good enough to go 8-9 with a mediocre team. Good enough to go deep in the playoffs with a great team. Just bad enough to get you beat once you’re there. 

 

[travdogg]

Guys like Jimmy G, Kirk Cousins, David Carr are QB purgatory. Cost money and draft picks. Good enough to go 8-9 with a mediocre team. Good enough to go deep in the playoffs with a great team. Just bad enough to get you beat once you’re there. 

I don't think its fair to lump those 3 guys together. Cousins is better than Carr, and Carr is better than Jimmy G.

Cousins doesn't get enough credit. He's been a good to great QB since 2015. He's never had both good weapons and a good OL at the same time, and yet he's always moved offenses and been productive.

Truth be told, I think if Cousins had been the 49ers QB these last 3 seasons, the 49ers win the Super Bowl in 2019, and are playing in it this Sunday. Also, probably making the playoffs in 2020 despite the team's injury woes. 

 

[Gally]

I don't think its fair to lump those 3 guys together. Cousins is better than Carr, and Carr is better than Jimmy G.

Cousins doesn't get enough credit. He's been a good to great QB since 2015. He's never had both good weapons and a good OL at the same time, and yet he's always moved offenses and been productive.

Truth be told, I think if Cousins had been the 49ers QB these last 3 seasons, the 49ers win the Super Bowl in 2019, and are playing in it this Sunday. Also, probably making the playoffs in 2020 despite the team's injury woes. 

I agree completely.  Cousins was held back by both the OL and the coaching conservative play calling with the Vikes.  Don't get me wrong he has made some bad decisions occasionally but the Vikes did him no favor when it comes to getting wins.  He put up good numbers but his losses were more coaching based than his actual play.

 

[Grahamburn]

I don't think its fair to lump those 3 guys together. Cousins is better than Carr, and Carr is better than Jimmy G.

Cousins doesn't get enough credit. He's been a good to great QB since 2015. He's never had both good weapons and a good OL at the same time, and yet he's always moved offenses and been productive.

Truth be told, I think if Cousins had been the 49ers QB these last 3 seasons, the 49ers win the Super Bowl in 2019, and are playing in it this Sunday. Also, probably making the playoffs in 2020 despite the team's injury woes. 

I agree completely.  Cousins was held back by both the OL and the coaching conservative play calling with the Vikes.  Don't get me wrong he has made some bad decisions occasionally but the Vikes did him no favor when it comes to getting wins.  He put up good numbers but his losses were more coaching based than his actual play.

I used those 3 because they're all somewhat likely to be available this off-season.  And teams will be vying for them to be their next signal caller.  The franchises acquiring them will regret it.  I'm a Bucs' fan so I half expect my franchise to be one of the dumb ones.

You both also kind of made my point for me.  Cousins is just good enough to have you thinking "what if," but you'll never win anything with him as your QB.  When you start making excuses for them that's when you know you're there.  You pay them, you lost draft picks to acquire them, you're just good enough to be kept away from acquiring elite players via the draft because they're just good enough to get a few wins.  But, they aren't good enough to overcome their teammates deficiencies or elevate them to another level.  QB Hell.  Absolute QB Hell. 

 

[travdogg]

I used those 3 because they're all somewhat likely to be available this off-season.  And teams will be vying for them to be their next signal caller.  The franchises acquiring them will regret it.  I'm a Bucs' fan so I half expect my franchise to be one of the dumb ones.

You both also kind of made my point for me.  Cousins is just good enough to have you thinking "what if," but you'll never win anything with him as your QB.  When you start making excuses for them that's when you know you're there.  You pay them, you lost draft picks to acquire them, you're just good enough to be kept away from acquiring elite players via the draft because they're just good enough to get a few wins.  But, they aren't good enough to overcome their teammates deficiencies or elevate them to another level.  QB Hell.  Absolute QB Hell. 

I just don't see it as fair to Cousins, unless the argument is you either need a QB or a rookie deal, or Tom Brady. Those are all the QBs that have won Super Bowls since Manning did. Were Rodgers/Brees/Ben keeping their teams in QB Hell? Is Mahomes since he signed his new deal? Is Josh Allen? 

Cousins is every bit as good as Stafford is. Did the Rams probably overpay for Stafford? Yes, they did. Are they glad they did? Probably, becoming definitely if they win on Sunday.

I don't think QB Hell exists, unless you are locking yourself into a mediocre player. Jimmy G is a mediocre player, Carr is probably a little above that, but I don't think that applies to Cousins at all. 

 

[Grahamburn]

I just don't see it as fair to Cousins, unless the argument is you either need a QB or a rookie deal, or Tom Brady. Those are all the QBs that have won Super Bowls since Manning did. Were Rodgers/Brees/Ben keeping their teams in QB Hell? Is Mahomes since he signed his new deal? Is Josh Allen? 

Cousins is every bit as good as Stafford is. Did the Rams probably overpay for Stafford? Yes, they did. Are they glad they did? Probably, becoming definitely if they win on Sunday.

I don't think QB Hell exists, unless you are locking yourself into a mediocre player. Jimmy G is a mediocre player, Carr is probably a little above that, but I don't think that applies to Cousins at all. 

Cousins has had his team in the playoffs just twice, and is a fluke play from being 0-3 in those games.  I don't see how you can compare his career to Rodgers, Brees, or Ben.  Stafford, ok, but Cousins has had way better teams in Minnesota than Stafford did with the Lions and has accomplished nothing.  For $35M per year.  If you can't win with a QB you're paying that much money to that's QB Hell.

Anyway, this is the Jimmy G thread.  I feel bad for the team that gives up anything for him. 

 

[Gally]

Cousins has had his team in the playoffs just twice, and is a fluke play from being 0-3 in those games.  I don't see how you can compare his career to Rodgers, Brees, or Ben.  Stafford, ok, but Cousins has had way better teams in Minnesota than Stafford did with the Lions and has accomplished nothing.  For $35M per year.  If you can't win with a QB you're paying that much money to that's QB Hell.

Anyway, this is the Jimmy G thread.  I feel bad for the team that gives up anything for him. 

I would agree that Cousins isn't good enough to overcome a very conservative coach that relied on a not very good defense to win games.  Cousins put his team in position to win many games this year that would have gotten them into the playoffs had the coaching staff not cost them games by the play calling and defensive issues.  Zimmer was too big of an obstacle to overcome and that is not on Cousins.  

For the first time Cousins showed he can bring his team back and put them in positions to win despite too conservative play calls on offense.  Then the defense or kicking game cost them the wins.  This is a team sport and the Vikings (as a team - especially the coaching staff) were not good enough.  Cousins was actually really good and should have ended up better in the wins and losses.

Also, what was the "fluke" that got him a playoff win?  Cousins outplayed Brees and if not for a couple "fluky" Taysom Hill plays the Saints woudn't have even been in the game.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Also, what was the "fluke" that got him a playoff win?  Cousins outplayed Brees and if not for a couple "fluky" Taysom Hill plays the Saints woudn't have even been in the game.  

I think he's thinking of the game Kase Keenum started.

 

[Faust]

An NFL executive said the Commanders could "justify" trading the 11th pick in the NFL Draft for Jimmy Garoppolo. 

The executive, who was quoted anonymously about Washington's quarterback options for 2022, "doesn’t think Garoppolo is worth the 11th selection or any first-round choice based on skill set and injury history," but believes the organization could justify the move if they deem the draft's top QBs as unstartable. A high first round pick would be quite the price for a quarterback who was mostly efficient in Kyle Shanahan's run-first offense. Niners beat writer Cam Inman this month said the team might take a Day Two draft pick for Jimmy G. Among the most QB-desperate teams in the NFL, Washington would be a bad spot if they once again had to turn to Taylor Heinicke as their Day One starter. 

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, Washington Commanders

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Feb 14, 2022, 11:45 AM ET

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Adam Schefter suggested the 49ers might keep Jimmy Garoppolo this offseason. 

Schefter said Kyle Shanahan and the Niners could stick with Garoppolo in 2022 in large part because the QB is popular with teammates and Trey Lance still has a ways to go in his development as an NFL passer. Lance, Schefter said, "was probably further behind than people realized, Trey Lance is greener than people realize, Trey Lance is going to need more work than people realize, and they have a roster that can win now." Schefter added the team is "happy" with Lance's development. Garoppolo, a $26.9 million cap hit in 2022, is signed for one more year with San Francisco. Shanahan's unwavering commitment to Garoppolo in the team's 2021 postseason run suggests he could be amenable to letting Lance, 21, sit for another season before taking over the offense. The Niners' minds could change quickly, however, if a team offers major draft capital in exchange for Jimmy G. 

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Trey Lance

SOURCE: SI.com 

Feb 24, 2022, 9:51 AM ET

 

[Faust]

Report: Jimmy G trade interest 'lukewarm' at moment

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Niners may keep Garoppolo

Honestly this seems like their best option if they can't get at least a high 2nd for him. They need a backup QB, and if rumors that Lance isn't ready are to be believed, this bridges the gap to when he is ready. 

Hopefully that readiness coincides with when JimmyG takes his annual trip to the 3-week IR. 

 

[farfromforgotten]

From the article: Lance, Schefter said, "was probably further behind than people realized, Trey Lance is greener than people realize, Trey Lance is going to need more work than people realize, and they have a roster that can win now." 

Schefter added the team is “happy" with Lance's development.

Shanahan's unwavering commitment to Garoppolo in the team's 2021 postseason run suggests he could be amenable to letting Lance, 21, sit for another season before taking over the offense. The Niners' minds could change quickly, however, if a team offers major draft capital in exchange for Jimmy G. 

My thoughts: I wonder what kind of “major draft capital” a playoff team would need in order to move on to a QB that they feel isn’t ready to play? That doesn’t make much sense to me. 

I feel that keeping Jimmy would be the worst case scenario going into next year. All both QBs would hear about is the other one given how much play this has received already in the beginning stages of this offseason. 

I don’t see it happening.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From the article: Lance, Schefter said, "was probably further behind than people realized, Trey Lance is greener than people realize, Trey Lance is going to need more work than people realize, and they have a roster that can win now." 

Schefter added the team is “happy" with Lance's development.

Shanahan's unwavering commitment to Garoppolo in the team's 2021 postseason run suggests he could be amenable to letting Lance, 21, sit for another season before taking over the offense. The Niners' minds could change quickly, however, if a team offers major draft capital in exchange for Jimmy G. 

My thoughts: I wonder what kind of “major draft capital” a playoff team would need in order to move on to a QB that they feel isn’t ready to play? That doesn’t make much sense to me. 

I feel that keeping Jimmy would be the worst case scenario going into next year. All both QBs would hear about is the other one given how much play this has received already in the beginning stages of this offseason. 

I don’t see it happening.

I wonder who the backup would be if they do deal JimmyG. Would they go out and get Mariota? 

 

[farfromforgotten]

I wonder who the backup would be if they do deal JimmyG. Would they go out and get Mariota? 

I thought the early talk was that Tyrod would be coming on board due to the connection with Lynn? I don’t know if there’s any truth to that but I think I’d be okay with it.

 

[travdogg]

Its really hard for me to imagine Trey Lance not being as good or an upgrade from Garoppolo. Even if he's more mistake prone, and less accurate, his mobility and arm strength should make up for that. 

No QB benefits more from his situation than Garoppolo. Great play caller, the 2 best YAC players at their positions, and a top OL. 

 

[farfromforgotten]

Its really hard for me to imagine Trey Lance not being as good or an upgrade from Garoppolo. Even if he's more mistake prone, and less accurate, his mobility and arm strength should make up for that. 

No QB benefits more from his situation than Garoppolo. Great play caller, the 2 best YAC players at their positions, and a top OL. 

Exactly. I don’t hate on Jimmy as much as others seem to do but I don’t think anyone could make me more nervous than what he already does when the play breaks down and he starts moving around before throwing a pick/almost pick. I hold my breath every time. 
 

How many games did we win where it seems like he had 250 yards passing and maybe a TD and an INT? Seems like quite a few. I’ll have to check. 

 

[farfromforgotten]

314 1/0

189 1/0

322 0/0

182 2/0

176 2/0

230 1/1

296 2/0

235 1/0

249 2/1

316 1/2

Those are the numbers from the 10 wins. 250 yards a game and a 13/4 TD to INT ratio. So not as many TO’s as I remembered but if Lance can’t match that how he is now then we are in a lot of trouble. Even if the TO’s go up you gotta figure that the TDs will as well and then whatever he can provide rushing wise.

 

[travdogg]

Exactly. I don’t hate on Jimmy as much as others seem to do but I don’t think anyone could make me more nervous than what he already does when the play breaks down and he starts moving around before throwing a pick/almost pick. I hold my breath every time. 
 

How many games did we win where it seems like he had 250 yards passing and maybe a TD and an INT? Seems like quite a few. I’ll have to check. 

Garoppolo also had maybe the biggest difference between basic statistics, and advanced statistics. His basic stats are solid. High completion %, very good YPA, decent TD/INT ratio.

However, his advanced stats show a QB who completely fell apart when pressured(worst passer rating of any QB in the NFL) had the highest % of dropped INT's, 6th lowest % of completed throws over 20 yards, and 4th lowest average depth of target. 

Truth be told, I think Garoppolo limits the 49ers the same way Goff did for the Rams. Both are passable starting QB's, but you are never winning because of them. Even this year, the only major difference between Goff in Detroit, and Jimmy G in San Fran this year, was the damage that was done after the catch by the 49ers pass catchers. I, for one, am greatly concerned that if you take Jimmy G out of this current environment, his basic stats are gonna look a lot like Goff's did this year. 

On the other hand, I think this also makes it more likely the Lance will be successful, even if he's not as polished. This system is built around easy throws to exceptional playmakers. Its not foolproof, but its about the easiest QB job in the NFL. 

Personally, I would happily trade Garoppolo for any pick in round 2(not even in 2022 if need be) I think he's easily replaceable by a Mariota or Bridgewater, without losing anything. Could probably even get by just fine with a Dalton or Fitzpatrick, though they likely are slight downgrades, they make more sense, if you are fully going with Lance.

 

[Faust]

COULD JIMMY GAROPPOLO RETURN TO 49ERS IF TREY LANCE ISN'T READY?

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Jimmy Garoppolo will undergo shoulder surgery but "still is likely to be traded this month."

Schefter noted that Garoppolo is expected to resume throwing before July 4th. He added that there is "significant interest" in Garoppolo from multiple teams. Schefter previously reported that Garoppolo being traded was not a lock, though he seems to be back on the side of Jimmy being gone sooner rather than later. This will be the second offseason surgery Garoppolo has undergone this year. He previously went under the knife to treat the thumb injury he suffered late last season. Garoppolo is the one big name at quarterback that is expected to be moved this offseason. With most of the other veterans now off the table, a small bidding war for Garoppolo appears inevitable. After mortgaging their future for Trey Lance last year, the 49ers may be able to put some draft capital back in their pocket by moving Jimmy. 

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Mar 1, 2022, 2:51 PM ET

 

[FairWarning]

Can’t see anyone trading for Garrapolo now - at least anything of value. 

 

[Kiddnets]

Can’t see anyone trading for Garrapolo now - at least anything of value. 

Timing and extent of surgery is definitely a hit to his value.  I still think he gets dealt but now likely a mid rounder this year plus a contingency higher pick next year.  I just cant see SF opening that door of having a QB competition with Lance in yr 2 of rookie contract.  Even if they get less value in a trade they still clear $25M in cap space which is very valuable  

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jimmy Garoppolo is a "name to keep an eye on" in the Steelers' quarterback search. 

"All of the options are in the mix for the Steelers," Rapsheet said from Indy, also mentioning free agent Mitchell Trubisky." Rapsheet had a minute-long report where the theme was that the Steelers will search high and low for Ben Roethlisberger's replacement. No. 20, or a trade up from it, will be the epicenter of the Steelers' search, though a caretaker/bridge option like Garoppolo, Trubisky or Marcus Mariota could also be added. We are not lending much credence to reports that the Steelers consider Mason Rudolph a viable 2022 option. 

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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

Mar 3, 2022, 1:22 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Jimmy Garoppolo Trade Rumors: Colts Likely to Pursue 49ers QB After Carson Wentz Deal 

 

[higgins]

I don’t understand the still ongoing Garrapolo rumors at all. He’s essentially out of commission for the next 16-weeks after his shoulder surgery. No team is going to give away squat to acquire him. He was never available half the time anyway (always injured). And he counts 27 mill against the cap? He’s not the next  “domino” — he’s the next media constructed “guy we need to talk about that is a game manager at best”. A waste of ink & a waste of time having to read about this guy. 

 

[Faust]

Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora

Jimmy Garoppolo underwent successful shoulder surgery this week. Medical information will become widely available to interested teams. No deal imminent but plenty of clubs probing around. Colts, Steelers, Saints teams to watch. Could be something that heats up around the draft

https://twitter.com/jasonlacanfora/status/1501648785692401665?s=21

 

[wgoldsph]

I don’t understand the still ongoing Garrapolo rumors at all. He’s essentially out of commission for the next 16-weeks after his shoulder surgery. No team is going to give away squat to acquire him. He was never available half the time anyway (always injured). And he counts 27 mill against the cap? He’s not the next  “domino” — he’s the next media constructed “guy we need to talk about that is a game manager at best”. A waste of ink & a waste of time having to read about this guy. 

Carson Wentz was worth at least a 3rd and Jimmy is better than Wentz.

 

[JohnnyU]

Carson Wentz was worth at least a 3rd and Jimmy is better than Wentz.

He was worth 2 3rds (2022 and 2023) and one could turn into a 2nd if Wentz plays a certain number of snaps in 2022 and a 5 pick jump in the 2nd this year.

 

[wgoldsph]

He was worth 2 3rds (2022 and 2023) and one could turn into a 2nd if Wentz plays a certain number of snaps in 2022 and a 5 pick jump in the 2nd this year.

By that logic Jimmy is worth at least a conditional 1st right?

 

[zaner75]

He was worth 2 3rds (2022 and 2023) and one could turn into a 2nd if Wentz plays a certain number of snaps in 2022 and a 5 pick jump in the 2nd this year.

From other things I've read, I think that $15 million was worth two 3rds and a pick bump

 

[JohnnyU]

By that logic Jimmy is worth at least a conditional 1st right?

I don’t see Ballard making that mistake again.

 

[Shawnky]

Carson Wentz was worth at least a 3rd and Jimmy is better than Wentz.

That’s debatable.  Neither are very exciting but are serviceable. 

 

[bostonfred]

Jimmy g would be a great fit in Seattle imo. They are looking for a game manager, pocket passer who can audible into the right call at the line and lead s run heavy attack.  Russ didn't want to be that.  They now have fant Lockett and Metcalf so he could step right in, they have the most cap space in the NFC, and they like Carson and penny but have the draft capital to add another back or improve on both sides of the line in a deep o line draft.  Pete's extended his contract and isn't getting any younger so this would give him a 4-5 year window to build a young team, bank some cap space and make a push in 2023-26

 

[wgoldsph]

That’s debatable.  Neither are very exciting but are serviceable. 

Wentz was the reason the colts lost to the Jaguars.  He's not a starting qb and nfl teams just haven't realized it yet. It's not debatable at all.

 

[wgoldsph]

Jimmy g would be a great fit in Seattle imo. They are looking for a game manager, pocket passer who can audible into the right call at the line and lead s run heavy attack.  Russ didn't want to be that.  They now have fant Lockett and Metcalf so he could step right in, they have the most cap space in the NFC, and they like Carson and penny but have the draft capital to add another back or improve on both sides of the line in a deep o line draft.  Pete's extended his contract and isn't getting any younger so this would give him a 4-5 year window to build a young team, bank some cap space and make a push in 2023-26

Metcalf needs to watch tape of deebo doing the cross route Jimmy loves

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

AmaIngly, due to WAS, and a lesser extent, GB & Denver, it’s certainly possible that there’s a bidding war for (gulp) JommyG, 

SF could end up with a 1st for him. Amazing. 

 

[Capella]

By that logic Jimmy is worth at least a conditional 1st right?

Just because one team makes a horrible trade doesn’t mean another has to do the same. 
 

That said, Jimmy is waaaaaaay better than Wentz so I guess a second? Maybe two thirds?

 

[wgoldsph]

AmaIngly, due to WAS, and a lesser extent, GB & Denver, it’s certainly possible that there’s a bidding war for (gulp) JommyG, 

SF could end up with a 1st for him. Amazing. 

He just wins

 

[wgoldsph]

Just because one team makes a horrible trade doesn’t mean another has to do the same. 
 

That said, Jimmy is waaaaaaay better than Wentz so I guess a second? Maybe two thirds?

If I'm sf I'm not accepting anything below a second after the Wentz deal.

 

[Shawnky]

Wentz was the reason the colts lost to the Jaguars.  He's not a starting qb and nfl teams just haven't realized it yet. It's not debatable at all.

Obviously it is because we’re doing it.   We have different opinions.  As I said, neither are anything to get excited about, but a team just teased for Wentz, so……

 

[Capella]

If I'm sf I'm not accepting anything below a second after the Wentz deal.

Well if you bring him back you owe him the money and then create a QB controversy. But I imagine Pitt or Indy will pony up that second. 

 

[Ghost Rider]

Wentz was the reason the colts lost to the Jaguars.  He's not a starting qb and nfl teams just haven't realized it yet. It's not debatable at all.

Wait, a QB who just finished top 10 in QBR with 27 TDs and only 7 picks, despite only having one receiver getting over 400 receiving yards in a 17-game season, is not a starting QB in this league?  That is quite the hot take. 

 

[wgoldsph]

Wait, a QB who just finished top 10 in QBR with 27 TDs and only 7 picks, despite only having one receiver getting over 400 receiving yards in a 17-game season, is not a starting QB in this league?  That is quite the hot take. 

Johnathan Taylor effect.  I'm not going to argue against his numbers, just that he is the type of player who forces everything in the moments when he can't.  He gets lucky with a lot of dropped picks.