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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (2 Viewers)
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Chemical X
Footballguy
i’m not scratching my head. he’s a dime a dozen guy from what i’ve seen. he does fit the jets though; middling arm, turnover machine, difficulty reading defenses. if he sees the field in the regular season, start looking forward to next season. he wasn’t better than brady cook.
Got to be honest... this is exactly what you want to hear to revitalize his career and turn it around. Hope it works out for him
rockaction
Footballguy
Our top offensive lineman went down today and will miss "significant time" (read: year). We have Josh Reynolds as our WR2 and a rookie TE and an overrated WR1.
This kid didn't have a chance in the pros and it doesn't matter because his internal clock sadly has no working alarm.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Everything you wrote is true, and Fields doesn't seem set for real life NFL success this season. But if he runs for 1000 yards, he'll still end the season as a top 10 fantasy QB.
rockaction
Footballguy
Sure thing. If you're looking for fantasy success then we're talking an entirely different thing and I don't begrudge anybody seeking that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s not going to help anyone on this Jets offense. Brutal.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Alijah Vera-Tucker going down for the season cannot be good for Fields and the Jets offense in general, especially for a team that wants to run the football a lot.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, it's terrible. Besides Garrett Wilson or Sauce Gardner, it's the worst injury the Jets could have suffered. Even if Fields went down we'd have had Tyrod. This was the absolute worst, but he's been hurt and missed close to half of his tenure with the Jets. It's a bust of a pick, but not because of talent.
Instinctive
Footballguy
It's not really a curse to have bad leadership from the people who own a business. It's more like inept business ownership.
Chemical X
Footballguy
there is no curse here. bad drafting. horrid scouting. you can not survive in this league when, after 2-3 years, all your draft picks are no longer with the team. most of these guys are also barely in the league. i could go over every horrid pick, but i don’t have 30 years to waste.
actually, take a look at their drafts from 17-21, a 5 year span. is it any wonder this roster is where it it right now?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
They've had 3 ROTY in the last what 4 years? They have a lot of talent.
They can't get QB right. That's the problem. They draft someone? Failure. Trade for someone? Failure. Sign a free agent? Failure.
They haven't been able to get HC right either, but give Glenn some time.
Chemical X
Footballguy
gardner and wilson same year as ROTY. i disagree with the talent assessment and this is due to drafting. WR is pretty bad. QB is not good. the DL became so bad last year that they had to trade for 2 run stoppers pre season. but i agree with failure.
No I was talking about NFL success. Never had a chance with the terrible coaching and play calling in Chicago … last year he did good for the Steelers with limited opportunity.. hope it works out for him
So far he looks great for the Jets. Passes are looking sharp, making good reads, and running when he should.
Hope he can keep it going .
rockaction
Footballguy
Hoping deeply that he does.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I'm stunned- legit stunned. So much doom and gloom about the Jets and this guy is a fantasy monster.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Going to reiterate what I've mentioned many times. He has shown *noticeable* improvement every single season. Stoked he got off to a good start. Tough loss. Rodgers was slinging.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Fields looked great. Just watched the highlights. I’m pretty psyched to have a GW share.
Wish I hadn’t sold low on my Fields shares. Lot of negativity in here this offseason. Like a LOT. And he went out and balled.
Wish I hadn’t sold low on my Fields shares. Lot of negativity in here this offseason. Like a LOT. And he went out and balled.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Don't listen to the negative people!
They had a bunch of broken plays and the guys quickly got with Fields as he ran or scrambled and ...I wondered if his bad summer didn't set that up. Any other time a team would have panicked and done weird stuff but they reacted like "we got you." It was pretty cool.
I think those were big for him personally too.
Much of the game plan seemed to be simple but he was confident and calm and real sharp looking when he launched some tough throws.
I hope he turned a corner. Maybe the 15 pass game is Glenn mitigating risk too.
It was very well scripted. Very impressed.
For the future, they won't face the Steelers every week but geesh do they have to fix the OL issues. Hall and Allen may just be the two best blocking backs in the league. They were outstanding behind the LOS and the hustle sometimes to get outside to block
that was beautiful.
I don't know that backs can do what they did every week. What happens when they whiff?
And what was that like for Fields? Oh no pressure coming- smash- no it's not.
I think Tyler had a few too IIRC.
Jets line stunk but my goodness was the rest of the offense great at blocking
I think those were big for him personally too.
Much of the game plan seemed to be simple but he was confident and calm and real sharp looking when he launched some tough throws.
I hope he turned a corner. Maybe the 15 pass game is Glenn mitigating risk too.
It was very well scripted. Very impressed.
For the future, they won't face the Steelers every week but geesh do they have to fix the OL issues. Hall and Allen may just be the two best blocking backs in the league. They were outstanding behind the LOS and the hustle sometimes to get outside to block
that was beautiful. I don't know that backs can do what they did every week. What happens when they whiff?
And what was that like for Fields? Oh no pressure coming- smash- no it's not.
I think Tyler had a few too IIRC.
Jets line stunk but my goodness was the rest of the offense great at blocking
Max Power
Footballguy
I liked JF while in Chicago and was initially in the camp of keep him and trading the #1 pick. He'll give you these type of games multiple times a year. He's also going to give you several duds. Very likely some costly turnovers when it matters most.
He's a great FF option, but teams don't view him a contender caliber QB. I'd still lean toward him being replaced (long term) once the JETS have an option.
He's a great FF option, but teams don't view him a contender caliber QB. I'd still lean toward him being replaced (long term) once the JETS have an option.
Similar to how I talked about Rodgers wanting to prove the Jets wrong for telling him he wasn't good enough, Fields has the same situation facing the Steelers who told him the same.
This was a good showing for Fields in that regard.
This was a good showing for Fields in that regard.
Zow
Footballguy
Fitting statement given your avatar.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I have a who's who of guys I should've started on benches everywhere. Fields is among them. He's going to be an interesting choice vs Purdy and Penix in a 6 point passing / 1/20 league.
dkp993
Footballguy
Strange to me people still need to be convinced, when playing, he’s a top 10 FF QB. IIRC he was 6th when he got benched for Russ last year. There’s a zero percent chance I’m starting a guy like Purdy or Goff (or any pocket passer not named Burrow) over him.
Now will he last the whole season? Before yesterday I’d lean slightly yes. After how he looked yesterday, I’d say absolutely.
Now will he last the whole season? Before yesterday I’d lean slightly yes. After how he looked yesterday, I’d say absolutely.
you start fields without question here.
I have burrow and I'm debating who to start next week. Probably going fields.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He has always been like that but the main difference from one season to the next has been, wait for it... his processing and decision making time. And understand I have called that his biggest weakness along with everyone else, enough that it could end his career. But it *has* improved each season noticeably and it directly impacts his ability to make oh-wow evasion moves while in or around the pocket because previously he was holding on too long and either getting destroyed with a zillion sacks because eventually the numbers say you just can't always be holding onto it too long. (his OLs have all been garbage BTW) *OR* he would make those oh wow moments. But now if he is actually making decisions faster that not only translates directly to his passing stats but with his ability to get clear before the rush gets to him and say smash bye bye. I guess what I'm saying is that if that sense of decision making has improved *again* this year, then I think we can expect just as much or more rushing excellence in fantasy and real life football as we've seen from him before.
TLDR I think there is room for a higher rushing ceiling from Fields than what we've seen before if it is a true statement that his processing ability has taken another step forward. It obviously also means great things for his passing floor/ceiling but I just really think the sky is the limit here.
They play Buffalo next week, whose defense showed throughout the preseason and Hard Knocks they looked soft AF and I mean I can't give them much grief for giving up 40 to Baltimore and they *did* make a couple important stops last night, but if we want to talk about potential game scripts on the other side in terms of Josh Allen and that offense vs the Jets... question - what does that do for the Jets offense? They're going to need to throw a lot. I would imagine another shootout honestly. Guys like Reynolds and Taylor will need to be more involved.
He's was consistently in the QB8-15 ranking for Week 1 that I saw.
We had Purdy at 17 and Goff at 21. I don't think folks need convincing.
dkp993
Footballguy
I wasn’t talking about your staff rankings.
For what it's worth, Footballguys had Fields ranked QB18 on the season. Well behind ADP, and the lowest I've seen him ranked across all the main ranking sites.
Seems like the experts here really missed on him.
I honestly even had him last season for those games and was pissed when he got benched. Then I ended up drafting him as the last qb taken (for some reason, people have two qbs) and still dropped him for Lawrence because I just hate my team (the jets). Now I gotta hopefully get him back and I hope I wont have to pay too much.
A few things.
1. I normally like to wait until Week 1 is fully complete before victory lapping season-long predictions. But that's just me.
2. We had Fields ranked as our QB11 in our preseason draft rankings. Part of doing what we do the way we do it is our predictions are public. Lots of opportunities for the "Told you so" crowd but that's life. We'll miss on plenty of things this season I'm sure. A tad early I think to claim we missed already at QB11. But thanks.
3. One of our largest competitors, Fantasy Pros, had him as QB12 for season long draft rankings. They are often a good spot to check consensus.
Will be fun to see how this plays out.
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You sync any league up (even with the most standard settings), and it has him at QB18 Both draft dominators also have him at QB18 with 1 for 25, 4/td. At 6/td it drops him even more.
A few things.
1. I normally like to wait until Week 1 is fully complete before victory lapping season-long predictions. But that's just me.
2. We had Fields ranked as our QB11 in our preseason draft rankings. Part of doing what we do the way we do it is our predictions are public. Plenty of opportunities for the "Told you so" crowd but that's life. We'll miss on plenty of things this season I'm sure. A tad early I think to claim we missed already at QB11. But thanks.
3. One of our largest competitors, Fantasy Pros, had him as QB12 for season long draft rankings.
Will be fun to see how this plays out.
You have him at 286.67 points, which puts him 18th of all the QBs you have ranked.
We will see how it plays out but so far looks like he will be much higher than the 286 (18th most) points FBG projected him for.
I know, no worries. I meant it seemed to me most saw him around that 8-15 spot. I could see him a little lower this week as I thought Steeler defense might have been tougher than it was.
Scoring systems with 6 point passing TD can be a big factor too.
Sorry
I meant his blockers smashed someone and instantly made the pressure disappear.
I understand what you're saying. I don't think he's processing any better. Well I don't know. It was schemed great and when he needed he had someone and hit the target.
He had some beauties, some real nice throws
Zow
Footballguy
To quote the guys from The Ringer, "a QB who can run is a fantasy cheat code."
I won a championship with Tebow the one year he started regularly. Wasn't pretty to watch, but the floor every week was nice.
You sync any league up (even with the most standard settings), and it has him at QB18 Both draft dominators also have him at QB18 with 1 for 25, 4/td. At 6/td it drops him even more.
A few things.
1. I normally like to wait until Week 1 is fully complete before victory lapping season-long predictions. But that's just me.
2. We had Fields ranked as our QB11 in our preseason draft rankings. Part of doing what we do the way we do it is our predictions are public. Plenty of opportunities for the "Told you so" crowd but that's life. We'll miss on plenty of things this season I'm sure. A tad early I think to claim we missed already at QB11. But thanks.
3. One of our largest competitors, Fantasy Pros, had him as QB12 for season long draft rankings.
Will be fun to see how this plays out.
You have him at 286.67 points, which puts him 18th of all the QBs you have ranked.
We will see how it plays out but so far looks like he will be much higher than the 286 (18th most) points FBG projected him for.
He's our QB11 in default settings. That's publc record and documented.
And to be clear, our rankings are where we rank the players for a draft list. Not a numerical list of total points.
There are lots of factors behind the scenes in addition to total points that go into our rankings. Upside potential being one. Games played is another. It's why Brandon Aiyuk can be our WR56 and projected to score fewer points than players he's ranked ahead of.
Again, I'm sure we'll miss on players. And there will always be folks anxious to point that out. It's life. But for now, I feel ok with having told our audience we ranked Fields as our QB11.
We'll see.
Well for your paying subscribers that use your sync, you had him as QB18 in all of my leagues. Big miss it seems there.You sync any league up (even with the most standard settings), and it has him at QB18 Both draft dominators also have him at QB18 with 1 for 25, 4/td. At 6/td it drops him even more.
A few things.
1. I normally like to wait until Week 1 is fully complete before victory lapping season-long predictions. But that's just me.
2. We had Fields ranked as our QB11 in our preseason draft rankings. Part of doing what we do the way we do it is our predictions are public. Plenty of opportunities for the "Told you so" crowd but that's life. We'll miss on plenty of things this season I'm sure. A tad early I think to claim we missed already at QB11. But thanks.
3. One of our largest competitors, Fantasy Pros, had him as QB12 for season long draft rankings.
Will be fun to see how this plays out.
You have him at 286.67 points, which puts him 18th of all the QBs you have ranked.
We will see how it plays out but so far looks like he will be much higher than the 286 (18th most) points FBG projected him for.
He's our QB11 in default settings. That's publc record and documented.
And to be clear, our rankings are where we rank the players for a draft list. Not a numerical list of total points.
There are lots of factors behind the scenes in addition to total points that go into our rankings. Upside potential being one. Games played is another. It's why Brandon Aiyuk can be our WR56 and projected to score fewer points than players he's ranked ahead of.
Again, I'm sure we'll miss on players. And there will always be folks anxious to point that out. It's life. But for now, I feel ok with having told our audience we ranked Fields as our QB11.
We'll see.
