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[Ministry of Pain]

King: Ravens rolling out 'red carpet' for Jackson

Peter King and Myles Simmons discuss the potential impact that Odell Beckham Jr. signing with the Baltimore Ravens could have on Lamar Jackson's future with the franchise.

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PETER KING: I think this-- first of all, if the Baltimore Ravens were not having this mega-problem with Lamar Jackson, personally I don't think there's any way they would have guaranteed $15 million to a receiver who's had two ACLs in the last three years, who, over the last three years, has had 880 yards of receptions, something like that, and who has been a shell of himself.

(MoP): So King places blame on Jackson for pushing the Ravens into a corner and making a bad signing, anyone else read it that way?

And again, he was on his way, in the postseason, in the Rams' postseason run. And then he tore his ACL. But here's the problem, Myles, you have a two-time ACL guy entering his age 31 year. And I think in general, when you look at skill players, speed, skill players who've had multiple ACL injuries, and it's just-- it's unprecedented to get that amount of money guaranteed to them.

King again acknowledges that OBJ is 31 and coming off a 2nd ACL injury, sounds like desperation not a team trying to build something special around their star QB.

And so I think the Ravens did this basically to say to Lamar Jackson, listen, we're serious. We're going to build a great offense for you. We've already done a lot of what you wanted in building the offense. And so I think that this is a red carpet being rolled out to Lamar Jackson in South Florida and saying, listen, let's do-- let's even do a short contract.

Again King is trying to make the signing of OBJ seem like Jackson forced them into an $18M contract...how serious are they really if they are not pairing him with a Top Tier No 1?

The Ravens basically have already, according to Lamar Jackson, already seemingly offered him a three-year contract that seems either totally or mostly guaranteed. He tweeted it was for $133 million. I don't know how he can be expected to get a lot more than that anywhere.

And now King is going to set Lamar Jackson's ceiling, pompous and arrogant of him to make the statement he can't get more money elsewhere or get a better deal for himself. The Ravens are paying top retail on jackson, that's what King wants you to believe.

But I do think the Ravens have ratcheted down. They've basically, as you saw in their press conference-- they kind of have a news blackout now on all things Lamar. And the bottom line in this is, they're trying to ratchet down the temperature in this and say to Lamar Jackson, let's get something done.

It's amazing how King paints this picture like Baltimore is the victim.

Listen, the funniest thing, Myles, that I've heard in the last few days is, would the Ravens take Will Levis if he's available down there, low in the first round? Would they? The Ravens are not taking a quarterback in the first round. Stop, stop. That is not happening. Why would they slap Lamar Jackson in the face by taking a quarterback in the first round? It's ludicrous.

It's not ridiculous and they've already slapped Jackson in the face with the franchise tag, King is nothing but a Ravens FO mouthpiece, my goodness

And so anyway, that's kind of how I see this. I think the money is really excessive. But I think it's just the cost of doing business right now for the Ravens.

The money is really excessive? He's welcome to his opinion but when you see Daniel Jones, Carr and Geno Smith all cash in for $30M, $40M per year, what's excessive for a guy with an MVP in his trophy case?

 

[Tau837]

It is amazing how different people can read the same information and interpret it so differently.

My interpretation is obviously the correct one.

 

[SproutDaddy]

……I was wondering when someone would play the race card. Victims, victims, victims.

You weren't wondering. You were waiting.

Congrats buddy! Go get it

Yeah, you had to know it was a matter of time. Nothing to get really. It’s what people do these days.

They also like to blow things out of proportion and perspective......which is exactly what you're doing here.

 

[GregR]

Quintessential MoP. Keep on keeping on brother.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Why is everybody so worried about Lamar negotiating his own contract? He's living rent-free in your brains.

Hi Lamar!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Lamar should reach out to RG3 - a really smart guy who has been down this sort of road.

Please tell me you’re not serious.

 

[Jakey]

Why is everybody so worried about Lamar negotiating his own contract? He's living rent-free in your brains.

100% this will be a moment in Lamar's post football life where he realizes... damnit, I shoulda woulda coulda had those 10's of millions back.

 

[Chaka]

Why is everybody so worried about Lamar negotiating his own contract? He's living rent-free in your brains.

100% this will be a moment in Lamar's post football life where he realizes... damnit, I shoulda woulda coulda had those 10's of millions back.

You know who has $200mil and doesn't lament not having $210 million?

People who blow through $200 million dollars before they die.

 

[habsfan]

Is there any chance Lamar said "I want OBJ. Sign him and we'll talk."? QBs lock in on certain guys and they aren't always the most logical choices based on football merit. It wouldn't explain the money but it might explain the timing.

 

[Da Guru]

For the love of God Ravens, please trade or sign Jackson ASAP! So tired of hearing his name everyday.

 

[Chaka]

For the love of God Ravens, please trade or sign Jackson ASAP! So tired of hearing his name everyday.

Admit it, you said the same thing about Sam & Diane but deep down you love the whole "will they/won't they?" drama.



I think you're old enough to get that reference.

 

[Anarchy99]

Admit it, you said the same thing about Sam & Diane but deep down you love the whole "will they/won't they?" drama.
I think you're old enough to get that reference.

Funny how the acting gods were much kinder to Sam than Diane after they split up. Sam now has a net worth of $80M+, while Diane is said to be between $5-10M.

 

[ChiefD]

Admit it, you said the same thing about Sam & Diane but deep down you love the whole "will they/won't they?" drama.
I think you're old enough to get that reference.

Funny how the acting gods were much kinder to Sam than Diane after they split up. Sam now has a net worth of $80M+, while Diane is said to be between $5-10M.

She had Lamar's mom as her agent.

 

[metoo]

Lamar should reach out to RG3 - a really smart guy who has been down this sort of road.

Please tell me you’re not serious.

I like him as an as analyst.

 

[Chaka]

Admit it, you said the same thing about Sam & Diane but deep down you love the whole "will they/won't they?" drama.
I think you're old enough to get that reference.

Funny how the acting gods were much kinder to Sam than Diane after they split up. Sam now has a net worth of $80M+, while Diane is said to be between $5-10M.

I need help with two o/u props.

1) How long is it going to take massraider to come in and point out "Of course, Sam is dreamy and Diane way, way out kicked her coverage by landing him (kinda)"

And

2) How long after I post: "Of course, he's a man." Before JohnnyU calls me out on the sexism card.

It's a Saturday, so I'm going to say 1) six posts and 2) 5 posts.





Come on guys, I kid. You have to know that...I hope.

 

[JohnnyU]

Admit it, you said the same thing about Sam & Diane but deep down you love the whole "will they/won't they?" drama.
I think you're old enough to get that reference.

Funny how the acting gods were much kinder to Sam than Diane after they split up. Sam now has a net worth of $80M+, while Diane is said to be between $5-10M.

I need help with two o/u props.

1) How long is it going to take massraider to come in and point out "Of course, Sam is dreamy and Diane way, way out kicked her coverage by landing him (kinda)"

And

2) How long after I post: "Of course, he's a man." Before JohnnyU calls me out on the sexism card.

It's a Saturday, so I'm going to say 1) six posts and 2) 5 posts.





Come on guys, I kid. You have to know that...I hope.

Dude, you’re just not that important.

 

[Chaka]

Admit it, you said the same thing about Sam & Diane but deep down you love the whole "will they/won't they?" drama.
I think you're old enough to get that reference.

Funny how the acting gods were much kinder to Sam than Diane after they split up. Sam now has a net worth of $80M+, while Diane is said to be between $5-10M.

I need help with two o/u props.

1) How long is it going to take massraider to come in and point out "Of course, Sam is dreamy and Diane way, way out kicked her coverage by landing him (kinda)"

And

2) How long after I post: "Of course, he's a man." Before JohnnyU calls me out on the sexism card.

It's a Saturday, so I'm going to say 1) six posts and 2) 5 posts.





Come on guys, I kid. You have to know that...I hope.

Dude, you’re just not that important.

Probably not, but you did respond.

Also, in all seriousness I know you and I have gotten a little toe-to-toe in this thread (and I think the A.Richardson thread) but I hope you know that my intent is never to be aggressive. However I recognize it can seem that way on the other end of the keyboard. If it feels that way, I promise it is entirely unintentional. I'm not the "Puffed chest behind the security of anonymity" guy.

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

Is Lamar choosing to not have an agent all about the money? How much of a percentage does an agent get from a client typically?

 

[Chaka]

Is Lamar choosing to not have an agent all about the money? How much of a percentage does an agent get from a client typically?

Typically between 1-3%. In Lamar's case it may even drop below 1% as agents often undercut each other's % in an effort to land marquee clients.

 

[-OZ-]

Lamar doing his best Rodgers impression
“Acquire Nuk before things can continue”

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports Lamar Jackson won't report to the Ravens' voluntary offseason program as he seeks a new contract.​

Jackson hasn't signed his non-exclusive franchise tag, and as a result, won't be at the Ravens' voluntary offseason workouts. The standoff between Jackson and the Ravens isn't great, but his decision to skip voluntary programs shouldn't be a concern at this point. If Jackson were to miss mandatory workouts and minicamps, the chances of a holdout come training camp could be on the table. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported last week the signing of Odell Beckham Jr. was a "good indication" Jackson would return to the team next season. For now, we'll assume Jackson missing these voluntary workouts is a non-issue as we continue to monitor his contract negotiations.
SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
Apr 17, 2023, 9:42 AM ET

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Is Lamar choosing to not have an agent all about the money? How much of a percentage does an agent get from a client typically?

4-10% typically.
In this case due to how huge the contract would be, I think an agent would be willing to take him on for 1-3%.

 

[humpback]

Is Lamar choosing to not have an agent all about the money? How much of a percentage does an agent get from a client typically?

4-10% typically.
In this case due to how huge the contract would be, I think an agent would be willing to take him on for 1-3%.

It's capped by the collective bargaining agreement I believe at 3% so the max is much lower but yeah, speculation is 1-2% would be the going rate for someone like Lamar.

 

[humpback]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

 

[ChiefD]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

This is the interesting part to me though. Hurts has been to the Super Bowl and was one properly called holding play from getting to drive for the win.

I agree with you. Should be interesting to watch.

 

[Stoneworker]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

 

[crushedspirit]

Hurts is more valuable in the current market.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

Are you aware that’s how it usually works?

 

[Stoneworker]

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

Are you aware that’s how it usually works?

I've never paid anyone who's worth less money more than a person who's worth more, just because the lower valued contributor is more intransigent. So, no.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

Are you aware that’s how it usually works?

I've never paid anyone who's worth less money more than a person who's worth more, just because the lower valued contributor is more intransigent. So, no.

Then you haven’t paid attention to QB salaries in the NFL, which is relevant here - not what you do in your personal life.

Plus I’m not really sure Hurts is better - he was on a stacked team in a weak NFC. I’m not saying he isn’t good (he is) but going further in the playoffs isn’t the only data point when comparing 2 QBs.

 

[Anarchy99]

Spotrac assesses Hurts’ market value as 6 years, $265M and Lamar at 6 years, $244.5M.

 

[Stoneworker]

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

Are you aware that’s how it usually works?

I've never paid anyone who's worth less money more than a person who's worth more, just because the lower valued contributor is more intransigent. So, no.

Then you haven’t paid attention to QB salaries in the NFL, which is relevant here - not what you do in your personal life.

Plus I’m not really sure Hurts is better - he was on a stacked team in a weak NFC. I’m not saying he isn’t good (he is) but going further in the playoffs isn’t the only data point when comparing 2 QBs.

NFL QB salaries generally ratchet up over the course of annual cycles. Not within cycles, which is where we are at now.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

Are you aware that’s how it usually works?

I've never paid anyone who's worth less money more than a person who's worth more, just because the lower valued contributor is more intransigent. So, no.

Then you haven’t paid attention to QB salaries in the NFL, which is relevant here - not what you do in your personal life.

Plus I’m not really sure Hurts is better - he was on a stacked team in a weak NFC. I’m not saying he isn’t good (he is) but going further in the playoffs isn’t the only data point when comparing 2 QBs.

NFL QB salaries generally ratchet up over the course of annual cycles. Not within cycles, which is where we are at now.

Ok

 

[GroveDiesel]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

 

[The Frankman]

I mean... if you give Lamar the weapons Hurts has he'd reap more souls than he'd been reaping before. Lamar would kill for one of A.J. Brown/Devonta Smith.

Anyway, now that the Hurts deal dropped this should act as a potential negotiating baseline for Jackson.

 

[Stoneworker]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

From a team, organizational and fan perspective, postseason and super bowl appearances/performance >>> individual awards when skillsets are roughly equivalent, which they are in this case.

Aaron Rodgers won two straight MVPs. Big deal. GB and its fans would rather have the rings.

 

[-OZ-]

. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Sounds like you should be Lamar’s agent.
There’s no way the Ravens give him more than hurts got.

 

[-OZ-]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

How’d they compare last year? In the Not For Long league, that matters a LOT.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Sounds like you should be Lamar’s agent.
There’s no way the Ravens give him more than hurts got.

Yeah people are taking this too literally and honestly there’s some weird hostility in this thread.
Also when people speak in absolutes they usually end up looking foolish.

 

[-OZ-]

. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Sounds like you should be Lamar’s agent.
There’s no way the Ravens give him more than hurts got.

Yeah people are taking this too literally and honestly there’s some weird hostility in this thread.
Also when people speak in absolutes they usually end up looking foolish.

No hostility here and frankly I’d love to be Lamar’s agent at 1% of his salary.
I’d actually like the ravens to pay more to Lamar, it just seems really unlikely.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

No hostility here and frankly I’d love to be Lamar’s agent at 1% of his salary.

That part wasn’t directed to you - more of why I don’t really want to reply much in here.

 

[humpback]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

So does Cam Newton.

And before everyone freaks out, I'm not equating the two, just pointing out that context (and recent performance) matters.

I do think this is probably the best "comp" for Lamar's contract, but again, it doesn't seem like he agrees.

 

[Chaka]

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

This is a very ill considered argument and I think you know it.

Going into this season he was 0-1, 53% for 258 yards with 1 TD, 2 INTs and a fumble in the playoffs.

How did the Eagles help him get better going into 2022?

 

[Chaka]

I mean... if you give Lamar the weapons Hurts has he'd reap more souls than he'd been reaping before. Lamar would kill for one of A.J. Brown/Devonta Smith.

Anyway, now that the Hurts deal dropped this should act as a potential negotiating baseline for Jackson.

In before the "Yeah, but Mark Andrews..."

 

[Chaka]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

From a team, organizational and fan perspective, postseason and super bowl appearances/performance >>> individual awards when skillsets are roughly equivalent, which they are in this case.

Aaron Rodgers won two straight MVPs. Big deal. GB and its fans would rather have the rings.

You realize Philadelphia lost the Super Bowl, right?

 

[Stoneworker]

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

This is a very ill considered argument and I think you know it.

Going into this season he was 0-1, 53% for 258 yards with 1 TD, 2 INTs and a fumble in the playoffs.

How did the Eagles help him get better going into 2022?

What's your ill-considered argument for Lamar Jackson getting paid more than Jalen Hurts?

 

[Stoneworker]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

From a team, organizational and fan perspective, postseason and super bowl appearances/performance >>> individual awards when skillsets are roughly equivalent, which they are in this case.

Aaron Rodgers won two straight MVPs. Big deal. GB and its fans would rather have the rings.

You realize Philadelphia lost the Super Bowl, right?

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

From a team, organizational and fan perspective, postseason and super bowl appearances/performance >>> individual awards when skillsets are roughly equivalent, which they are in this case.

Aaron Rodgers won two straight MVPs. Big deal. GB and its fans would rather have the rings.

You realize Philadelphia lost the Super Bowl, right?

You realize Lamar Jackson has never sniffed the super bowl, right?

 

[Chaka]

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

This is a very ill considered argument and I think you know it.

Going into this season he was 0-1, 53% for 258 yards with 1 TD, 2 INTs and a fumble in the playoffs.

How did the Eagles help him get better going into 2022?

What's your ill-considered argument for Lamar Jackson getting paid more than Jalen Hurts?

Let's be very clear; Hurts just had an awesome year and cashed in, good for him. But he's had exactly one good year so let's not act like his career is written in stone.

Hurts is only 18 months younger than Lamar and Lamar has shown just as much upside on the field as Hurts.

I am pretty sure your counter will be some form of "2019" and "he got hurt". I get it, it was and he did. Hurts missed two games last year and one the prior season. QBs get hurt, go figure.

The market will be what it is and I don't think that anyone will be surprised if Lamar's next contract exceeds Hurts.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Another QB contact done and not close to fully guaranteed. Not sure it's going to make a difference to Lamar and his mom though.

This now seems like it should be easy to figure out. LJax and Hurts are very similar QBs. Give Jackson a few dollars more and call it a day.

Except one has thrown for nearly 400 yards and 4 TD's in a super bowl, and one has not.

And you'd like to give the one who has not more money?

And one has a league MVP award and one does not.

From a team, organizational and fan perspective, postseason and super bowl appearances/performance >>> individual awards when skillsets are roughly equivalent, which they are in this case.

Aaron Rodgers won two straight MVPs. Big deal. GB and its fans would rather have the rings.

You seem to be giving the QBs all of the credit/blame for postseason wins/losses which seems crazy to me. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl. Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. Nobody thinks those guys are/were elite QBs.

And unless I’m mistaken, Hurts and Jackson have the same number of Super Bowl wins.

Jackson’s injuries are a concern. But IMO it’s a mistake to believe that there are no questions at all with Hurts still or reason to believe that Hurts is much more deserving of that contract than Jackson.