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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (3 Viewers)
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matuski
Footballguy
BINGBING
Footballguy
You took the worst game from 40 starts. I took the worst game from two starts. Good luck using that logic to predict future success.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Um, partially agree in that Roman's WR routes are virtually the same and have not changed but this isn't a copy of the 49er offense and Lamar isn't Kap who had MULTIPLE injuries his last two years and Ty should never be viewed as a Lamar equal.
After his rookie season the Ravens threw everything out and built an offense around Lamar's unique skills and blew up the bridge behind them. They were either going to sink or swim with the new offense that was/is different from any other in the league. He's done things in the offense that are historic.
I like Huntley but I will point out he's like a RB with fresh legs who gets a start late in the season and blows up and everyone falls over themselves thinking they've discovered the latest version of Adrian Peterson. He has made moves 'with his legs' that have extended drives and bought time for his receivers to get open.
We've seen the 'fresh leg' phenomenon with 2nd tier RBs to know how much of an advantage a guy who hasn't had a full season of wear-and-tear going up against beat-up defenders who lack full range of motion and can't fill holes or tackle with full force. And we've also seen the backup QB phenomenon with some guy who comes in with no pressure with the benefit of defenses having zero tape to study and game plan.
I like Huntley but he isn't proven and really has not been battle tested. Also, I suspect 'something' is amiss with Lamar. The 'strange' illness' that have plagued him from training camp? Missing a game due to 'illness'? He obviously is beat up and not nearly as mobile right now. Not fair to compare two QBs when one has major advantages of fresh legs, no pressure, and not enough tape for DCs to game plan around. The other has at least one major disadvantage in that he's beat up and is less effective with his greatest asset of mobility and I also think their is more to the illness' he's had since training camp. I just think we have not been told everything about that.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
point is, i would be completely against handing a monster deal to this guy.
someone folds his knee, your franchise is done for YEARS. and when you run on 1/2 the plays, it'll happen.
if this kid could throw, it's a no brainer. his athleticism is top 3 in the league, and he may not be 2 or 3.... but nope. im not hanging 2-300M on him
someone folds his knee, your franchise is done for YEARS. and when you run on 1/2 the plays, it'll happen.
if this kid could throw, it's a no brainer. his athleticism is top 3 in the league, and he may not be 2 or 3.... but nope. im not hanging 2-300M on him
matuski
Footballguy
I, like you, just used his worst start from this season.
If you don't like me using his worst game this season, we could just choose another - may I submit the Charger game week 6..... again this season? I'll just ignore the weeks 3 through 10 and the BUF playoff game last year.
Perhaps you have stumbled upon the flaw in your own logic on accident - cherry picking bad games would appear to be a flawed approach.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. He was incredible in 2019, and is still capable of having an all-world game at any time, but his numbers across the board have declined since 2019. His 2020 numbers weren't as good as 2019, which to be fair, was not that significant considering how off the charts his 2019 numbers were, but now his 2021 numbers aren't as good as 2020. You don't want your 4th year QB regressing. He should be getting better, not worse, and you throw in the injury issues he is now having and the fact that a lot of his greatness is built around the threat of him running which makes him more prone to injury than the average QB, and there are red flags everywhere.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
to go along w what i said... the sad part is he's "earned" his next contract, imo. the guy was an MVP. but id still be very wary of giving it. one you start paying him, who you gonna stop paying?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Half the stories on LJax today say
Lamar Returns to Practice
while the other half say
Jackson has Noticeable Limp at Practice
Lamar Returns to Practice
while the other half say
Jackson has Noticeable Limp at Practice
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
You’re in the same situation as me. Have you thought about Taysom Hill at all?
Struggling to rank Lance, Huntley, Hill.
How much draft value would each QB have in a trade? They might find more suitors for Huntley, given his low salary.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
That’s today, Tyler didn’t practice Wednesday. Let’s say Lamar continues to be a LP the next two days and Huntley practices in full. You know how Harbough rolls, we’re not getting any advance information from him. It’s almost surely going to be a Sunday decision bc we won’t know for sure until 11:30 EST.
Rams are giving up the 27th most FF pts to QBs (IOW only 5 teams are giving up fewer.)
You feel comfortable making that call?
If you’re thinking about Huntley you probably experienced a variation of what I went through last week…
After the way he played Week 13-14 I was pretty amped about starting Huntley in the Semis. NOPE. OK, then Taysom. NOPE. OK, Fields…maybe? NOPE. OK, Tua. Let’s just say I’m glad I had a 96% win probability going into MNF.
I’m debating Hill/Tua/Fieids in that order. Dropped Huntley yesterday. But waivers clear in one day so I could get Tyler back this weekend. Dicey prop, though.
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Ain’t nobody starting LJax, right? He has looked awful since the Miami game.
Dacomish
Footballguy
Starting L-Jax if he is active because you know Harbaugh will. If he is out and Huntley is Active then he's my pivot.
Trust me I don't want to have to start Trevor Lawrence again like I had to in the Semi's.....uggh!
LAR is 27th? I thought that D was good with Ramsey, Donald and gang? I need to look at the LAR game logs a bit more.
Yup. I pivoted from Lamar to Huntley to Ryan. Lucky to survive.
Dacomish
Footballguy
Its reverse...27th fewest means that only 5 teams give up fewer points to the position....so yes they are a very tough matchup.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Sorry, it’s easy to misinterpret.
Rams are giving up the 27th most FF pts to QBs (IOW only 5 teams are giving up fewer.)
26 teams give up more?
It’s are a red light matchup.
That's what I figured. Yikes.
Don't love that at all.
Lance is going to be soooo tempting if he's in and Jimmy is out.
Wish the BALT game was later in the afternoon or Sunday night/Monday. Could wait until 4 o'clock games to understand a bit more if I need to swing for the fences or not.
Looking at FBGs Points Against data. Yup. 5th from the bottom for the year.
However, if you look from game 9 on they are 9th from the bottom.
Some noteworthy performances lately:
* K. Cousins: 27-38-315-1-1
* R. Wilson: Horrible, but he's been horrible against everyone. Throw out.
* K. Murray: 32-49-393-0-2; Also ran 7-61.
* T. Lawrence: Throw out. Terrible.
* A. Rodgers: 28-45-307-2-0
* D. Mills: 29-38-310-2-1
This to me doesn't scream shy away pass D. Especially on the road.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Surprised to see your leaning Fields over Huntley potentially.
I think I’d rank them:
Huntley, Lance, Fields, Tua, Hill
Dacomish
Footballguy
Yes a tough matchup, but if Baltimore falls behind and if Huntley is playing we can get what happened in Baltimore the last few weeks, heck even the 3rd string QB who was signed off the street had 300 yards last week having to play catchup....I like the upside despite the matchup.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I’m not. I have 3 on my roster, Huntley was tossed back on the WW (made a couple moves this week to block WR + DST fm my OPP)
I will probably reverse the transaction this weekend (Chicago for Huntley)
Lance is not an option so I have them:
Hill, Huntley, Tua, Fields
if I get Tyler back
but I’m more interested in floor than upside since I’m a heavy favorite
Just trying to do no harm
I got to decide between Carr, Tanny and Huntley.
Carr has regressed in line with their offense, Tanny has not been as good but I will be starting AJ Brown.
Right now Im leaning Huntley, matchup be damned. Short sample but he looks more dynamic than Lamar and I suspect the Ravens want to see what he is against a good defense.
Carr has regressed in line with their offense, Tanny has not been as good but I will be starting AJ Brown.
Right now Im leaning Huntley, matchup be damned. Short sample but he looks more dynamic than Lamar and I suspect the Ravens want to see what he is against a good defense.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Curious where you throw Lance in that order. I’m a favorite as well but not huge
QB, JT, Ekeler, Tyreek, Waddle, Kelce, Gay, Pats.
Vs. Herbert, Zeke, Chase, Dionte Johnson, Devonta Smith, Ertz, Badgley, Eagles
Opponent inserted some deep threats for the bonus of over 40 yard TDs.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I just want to see more of Huntley in real game action, not wait to next year against scrubs in exhibition games.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Jackson will get a new contract, but it does not have to be from Baltimore. If you can get pretty much equal or better QB play from a guy who makes 75% less that is huge in todays NFL. that is how Seattle won with Wilson. wilson got a big deal and seattle has been downward ever since.
Right now Ravens can get a nice deal for Jackson and without a doubt should consider it.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jackson has 2 years left on his contract and with the way Huntley has played there is no need to address a new deal. With 2 year left and a possible TAG Raven can keep Jackson for 3 more years if they choose.
After this season though Huntley the way he has performed will not be happy as a backup though.
Tau837
Footballguy
Jackson is under contract through next season. I think common terminology would be to characterize that as him having 1 year left on his contract. But agree they have that year and could tag him twice, so they could keep him a total of 3 years without giving him a new contract.
I think it would be extremely difficult to trade Jackson for much, for multiple reasons:
- His cap hit jumps from $3M in 2021 to $23M in 2022, so he will no longer be offering the same bargain value.
- After his first season (2022) on a prospective new team, he is a UFA, so the team either lets him walk, goes through a likely ugly franchise tag scenario, or gives him a new contract that he will accept, which would presumably place him in the top 5-ish QBs in average cap hit.
- Baltimore has tailored its entire offense around him, which is what needs to be done for him. Most teams don't have the offensive scheme (or willingness to change), coaching, and personnel to fit him as well as Baltimore.
- His performance is trending negatively. Since his MVP season in 2019, his metrics are worse pretty much across the board:
Traditional metrics: completion percentage, YPA, TDs and TD percentage, interceptions and interception percentage, passer rating, QBR, sacks and sack percentage, rushing attempts, rushing yards, YPC, rushing TDs are all down from 2019 and most have trended down from 2019 to 2020 to 2021
- PFF: all grades (overall, passing, running) have trended down from 2019 to 2020 to 2021; his "big time throw" percentage is down and his "turnover worthy plays" are up
I absolutely agree it would be easier to trade Huntley.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Tau837
Footballguy
I don't really understand your comment. I said I thought it would be easier to trade Huntley. Is the point of your comment that Baltimore would rather trade Jackson and move to Huntley as their starter? I think that is questionable, and I also think it doesn't matter much, since I don't think there are many (any?) teams that would trade for Jackson.
FairWarning
Footballguy
With that pass D Balt has now, they will probably be chasing points all game. I would have no problem starting Huntley over Lance, Tua, etc.
Dacomish
Footballguy
I think this is more Harbaugh trying to distract the Rams as to who they will face rather than actually considering L-Jax to play. He has a capable backup who you don't have to completely change the offense to be a solid option.
If L-Jax starts this would be absolutely gobsmacking....
If L-Jax starts this would be absolutely gobsmacking....
Thanks. For these, can you please include the link to the source article or tweet? Thanks.
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Faust
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