I was mentioning this earlier and lots of talk starting to crop up about how odd it is to see teams that need a QB have been so quick to say they are out on him before ever even talking to him.
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Da Franchise
Footballguy
I can 1000% promise you Washington will not be involved. They are operating on a strict budget as the sale takes place and even if Snyder wanted to throw up middle fingers on the way to his hanging, he does not have the cash to come remotely close to making a competitive offer.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I can see teams not wanting to pay a boatload and also give two 1sts.
The Ravens offense has been tailored to Ljax. It wouldn't be super easy for a team to change their entire philosophy and playbook.
All things considered, I can understand other teams not going after him
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Also, for accuracy, Berry said "stick a middle finger in their eye"
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They can't get more than 2 #1s unless Lamar agreed to help out the Ravens by signing his tender before a trade. Considering how things have progressed, it doesn't seem likely he'd agree to help them out.
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Ravens place non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar Jackson
...This tag also gives Jackson even more leverage, because Jackson cannot be traded for more than the tag would send to Baltimore unless he were to sign the tender first...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It would be the Commander's money, not Snyder's personal money.
He'd never put his personal $ in. He's so cheap, reportedly there's another investigation going on because he charged the Commanders $4.5M to paint the logo on his plane.
The Falcons not being interested is a little surprising. They are one of the few teams, that doesn't really need to change their offense to suit Lamar and has tons of cap space.
I can 100% understand Carolina (seems likely to trade up for a rookie) Las Vegas (looking at rookies) Washington (cap issues) Miami (have Tua, lack cap space) Tampa Bay (no money, would be massive offensive change) and NYJ (Prefer Rodgers, as they probably should)
I can't see them trading 2 1sts. but New England would be an interesting fit. Good amount of cap space, but I think they are gonna stick with Mac Jones, which I can't blame them for.
Random question, if a team signs Jackson to an offer, and the Ravens don't match are they required to give up their next 1st round picks, or can they choose. Like for instance, could Houston give up the Browns picks instead of the #2? Could a team like Indy trade into the late 1st round, and give up that pick plus a 2024 1st, and keep #4?
I can 100% understand Carolina (seems likely to trade up for a rookie) Las Vegas (looking at rookies) Washington (cap issues) Miami (have Tua, lack cap space) Tampa Bay (no money, would be massive offensive change) and NYJ (Prefer Rodgers, as they probably should)
I can't see them trading 2 1sts. but New England would be an interesting fit. Good amount of cap space, but I think they are gonna stick with Mac Jones, which I can't blame them for.
Random question, if a team signs Jackson to an offer, and the Ravens don't match are they required to give up their next 1st round picks, or can they choose. Like for instance, could Houston give up the Browns picks instead of the #2? Could a team like Indy trade into the late 1st round, and give up that pick plus a 2024 1st, and keep #4?
Tau837
Footballguy
Some teams may not want a QB like Jackson, with the combination of his style, the draft capital they would have to give up, and the money they would have to pay him.
But you are also seemingly making an assumption that teams are out without talking to him. I'm not sure we know which teams have talked to him. (Regardless of tampering rules...)
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
But all guaranteed money needs to go in escrow and sit there until earned by Jackson.
Tau837
Footballguy
Pretty sure he has to sign the tender to be traded. Once the 2022 league year ends, the Ravens have no right to trade him unless he is under contract. In this situation, I'm pretty sure that means he must sign the franchise tag.
Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Bro, the team is BROKE. Snyder is BROKE. That’s why he took out a $50M loan and didn’t tell his minority partners about it, which lead to FedEx threatening to pull sponsorship forcing the name change, the buyout of said minority partners, the waiver of a debt ceiling for Snyder by the league, another near half billion in new debt, and eventually, the sale of the franchise.
Did I mention they’re broke? Lol
Tau837
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If only there were still debtor's prisons. I would love to see him spend the rest of his life using those dainty manicured nails turning big rocks into little rocks with a sledgehammer. Couldn't happen to a nicer fella.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Zac Jackson
@AkronJackson
A year after the high-dollar available QB told a team he wouldn’t choose them then did the next day, I absolutely, 1,000 percent believe these TEAMS who go the source route to say they won’t pursue a QB. Yep, totally believe them. Nothing to see here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I dunno how it would work - just sayin what Berry said.
Chaka
Footballguy
Prove it.
Chaka
Footballguy
Has to be their original pick.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Based on how many first round picks NE has flushed down the toilet in recent drafts, the amount of respect BB has for Jackson, and the Kraft's wanting to make a splash and have the Pats become relevant again, I can see a scenario where NE would consider going after Lamar. They have $118M in cap space next season (as in 2024). I think Bill would love a ground and pound offense, reverting back to more use of 2 TE's, and occasional play action to the outside receivers. BB would LOVE to run the ball 600 times a year, spend more money on patching up the defense, and limit the opposition to 20-25 minutes of possession a game.
Believe it or not, I don't think that would be such a bad idea. We know the Pats don't like to spend big at WR or RB, yet they get plenty of production from RB's. I think they could make it work . . . I just don't think the Kraft's will want to fork over that much money at the QB position. However, if the choice is $50M to Lamar now or $40M+ to Jones in a couple of years, IMO, they would get more traction with Jackson. That being said, the Ravens could always match, and I think they probably would (unless NE made LJ some crazy market setting deal). Interesting possibilities with the Pats.
Ravens just fired their OC and hired a guy who specializes in the air raid offense.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Could Baltimore be losing their franchise quarterback?
...With the non-exclusive tag, Jackson will essentially control his destiny. Jackson is permitted to negotiate with other teams and sign an offer sheet with them when the new NFL league year starts on March 15th.
... Safe to say this move increased the likelihood that Jackson ultimately changes teams this offseason.
With over a year of failed negotiations with their star quarterback, low rankings for their strength coaches, and players calling out coaches and front-office personnel on Twitter, it’s also safe to say it hasn’t been a great start to the offseason in Baltimore.
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NFL nonexclusive franchise tag: Biggest questions facing Ravens, Lamar Jackson
...John Harbaugh was asked about a potential holdout and replied: "There's no guarantee it'll go that way ... Lamar's a unique guy. He's not beating to everybody's drum."
Last year, Jackson skipped all of the voluntary practices in the spring for the first time in his career and only reported for the mandatory minicamp. If he doesn't sign the franchise tag right away, Jackson technically isn't under contract and can't get fined for missing all offseason practices. Jackson only has to report just before the start of the regular season in order to earn his $1.77 million weekly salary.
...With the non-exclusive tag, Jackson will essentially control his destiny. Jackson is permitted to negotiate with other teams and sign an offer sheet with them when the new NFL league year starts on March 15th.
... Safe to say this move increased the likelihood that Jackson ultimately changes teams this offseason.
With over a year of failed negotiations with their star quarterback, low rankings for their strength coaches, and players calling out coaches and front-office personnel on Twitter, it’s also safe to say it hasn’t been a great start to the offseason in Baltimore.
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NFL nonexclusive franchise tag: Biggest questions facing Ravens, Lamar Jackson
...John Harbaugh was asked about a potential holdout and replied: "There's no guarantee it'll go that way ... Lamar's a unique guy. He's not beating to everybody's drum."
Last year, Jackson skipped all of the voluntary practices in the spring for the first time in his career and only reported for the mandatory minicamp. If he doesn't sign the franchise tag right away, Jackson technically isn't under contract and can't get fined for missing all offseason practices. Jackson only has to report just before the start of the regular season in order to earn his $1.77 million weekly salary.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL players may not seek out Baltimore as a desirable destination.
Yep, we'll see how this turns out.
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NFL Players react to reports of teams being out on QB Lamar Jackson Players are curious as to why teams aren’t showing interest in Lamar Jackson
Tyrann Mathieu
@Mathieu_Era
When is the last time a league MVP was treated so disrespectfully?? I feel some kind of way about it - And don’t tell me what was offered to him, show me!!!
Tony Jefferson II
@_tonyjefferson
So you’re sitting here & trying to tell me there’s no NFL team that has interest to even try and negotiate a contract with Lamar Jackson ? It hurts a team none to have dialogue. This isn’t right
JJ Watt
@JJWatt
Why are all of these teams so publicly “out” on Lamar Jackson, an MVP winner in his prime at the most important position in the entire NFL? What am I missing here?
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And fans are asking why also.
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#1 Jalen All-Pro Hurts Fan
@Anthony60957284
Replying to
@Mathieu_Era
Imagine a white 26 year old MVP QB on the market. I can't even imagine how many teams would be in on him.
Yep, we'll see how this turns out.
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NFL Players react to reports of teams being out on QB Lamar Jackson Players are curious as to why teams aren’t showing interest in Lamar Jackson
Tyrann Mathieu
@Mathieu_Era
When is the last time a league MVP was treated so disrespectfully?? I feel some kind of way about it - And don’t tell me what was offered to him, show me!!!
Tony Jefferson II
@_tonyjefferson
So you’re sitting here & trying to tell me there’s no NFL team that has interest to even try and negotiate a contract with Lamar Jackson ? It hurts a team none to have dialogue. This isn’t right
JJ Watt
@JJWatt
Why are all of these teams so publicly “out” on Lamar Jackson, an MVP winner in his prime at the most important position in the entire NFL? What am I missing here?
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And fans are asking why also.
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#1 Jalen All-Pro Hurts Fan
@Anthony60957284
Replying to
@Mathieu_Era
Imagine a white 26 year old MVP QB on the market. I can't even imagine how many teams would be in on him.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Just crazy imo that teams are out on Lamar that were willing to give up more (draft capital anyway) for Watson last year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yep, must be a race thing.
Lamar needs an agent
I just find it odd that so many teams almost could not wait to say they are out. I mean within one minute of tweets announcing they were putting the tag on him I started seeing multiple beat and national reporters say Atlanta was out.
So to me it makes me conclude teams have been let known exactly what he wants and don't want to pay him. So they talked. Tampering. Or the league is colluding and if they are let me say they could have gone about it a bit more discreetly.
I don't want to believe in collusion but even if a team got word of Lamar's demands what would it hurt to host and woo him and try to convince him instead of quickly rushing to say no interest? Just seems odd to me especially considering the demand for Watson, who to me arguably a better player and for sure someone a lot of teams would prefer, but considering his baggage and level of interest it's a lot to take in so many teams shutting down interest in Lamar so quickly.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I genuinely don’t know what to think. I get the case against pursuing him, but then, the case against DeShaun was way stronger, and multiple teams were falling all over themselves to make that scumbag the face of their franchise. Obviously, the concerns with Lamar are different, but given the number of QB-needy teams, it is surprising that none of them seem interested
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Call me crazy, but it's probably best for every one of these teams to SAY PUBLICLY they are out. I would as a GM, even if I was calling the Baltimore hotline every 30 minutes.
I don't take much stock in anything a team SAYS this time of year.
-OZ-
Footballguy
“Appear to quit on your team or kneel to the flag and nobody wants you. Allegedly assault or just act really creepy to women and we’ll throw bags of money to you “
Chaka
Footballguy
If I were Lamar's agent I would immedi....oh, wait.
It's obviously very early but the number of teams that are publicly "out" is a little surprising. It was mentioned above that the Browns were publicly "out" on Deshaun last year and we know how that turned out. So not too much should be read into these public statements.
If it should continue where no teams sign him to an offer sheet then it becomes another issue entirely. If he had an agent they would be building a case to demand all communications between the Ravens and all other teams over the last three months.
It's obviously very early but the number of teams that are publicly "out" is a little surprising. It was mentioned above that the Browns were publicly "out" on Deshaun last year and we know how that turned out. So not too much should be read into these public statements.
If it should continue where no teams sign him to an offer sheet then it becomes another issue entirely. If he had an agent they would be building a case to demand all communications between the Ravens and all other teams over the last three months.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
So many angles to this and hard to say what’s what right now but it’s going to be fascinating to watch. Huge football impact and could start a war between the league and NFLPA.
Teams have paid equal to (or more) than two firsts to move up to draft unproven rookie QBs, with the hope that they'll be as good as Lamar, at which point they'll have to pay that QB a ton of money. The odds say that the rookie QB will be nowhere as good as Lamar, and the team that traded up will have traded those draft picks for almost nothing. The goal is to have a QB to whom it's worth paying hundreds of millions of dollars. If a team doesn't have the money, that's one thing. But the price of two firsts is a bargain. The Rams traded Goff and two firsts for Stafford, who was 33. The Niners paid the 1.12 and two future firsts to draft a raw unproven Lance at 1.03. Cleveland traded three firsts plus more picks for Watson.
As someone pointed out on Twitter, it's more likely that Lamar has already told Atlanta, Carolina or Washington that he doesn't want to play for them, so those teams saved face by saying they're "out." He didn't elect to give himself the non-exclusive tag. The Ravens did that. It's entirely reasonable that Lamar wants to play for Baltimore, but it's Baltimore that doesn't want to pay him what he feels he's worth.
Ravens: "Hey, Lamar, go out and negotiate with other teams to see how much you're worth."
Lamar: "Nah, I'm good."
As someone pointed out on Twitter, it's more likely that Lamar has already told Atlanta, Carolina or Washington that he doesn't want to play for them, so those teams saved face by saying they're "out." He didn't elect to give himself the non-exclusive tag. The Ravens did that. It's entirely reasonable that Lamar wants to play for Baltimore, but it's Baltimore that doesn't want to pay him what he feels he's worth.
Ravens: "Hey, Lamar, go out and negotiate with other teams to see how much you're worth."
Lamar: "Nah, I'm good."
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm generally the guy cautioning against jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information, so I should follow my own advice here.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
I think you're underestimating the value of hitting on a good QB for the 3rd, 4th, 5th year of their cheap rookie deal, that's the real goal.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The new season hasn’t started yet so he’s not a free agent yet really. Could teams even say they were interested, if they were? They’d have to wait until “legal” tampering.
Just spitballin’ but if I’m a team like Atlanta, for example, I negotiate something that Baltimore can’t match and then tell LJax to not sign anything until after the draft. Get to keep that top 10 pick (or even maybe trade down to recoup some picks) and ship off my two future 1sts instead that are hopefully much later…
Da Franchise
Footballguy
A+ banger of a tweet
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Seems a bit early for this kinda stuff. He was tagged like 5 hours ago.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, what it’s also missing is Baltimore did offer him a contract on par with the others but the difference was in guarantees.
And now sure some teams came out and said “no”, maybe, but free agency hasn’t even started.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Smoke screens and Twitter, wouldn't believe much on there right now.
Every reporter wants to try and be the guy reporting the scoop here.
Jackson can take all summer off and see if any teams want to trade for him after the Draft and after they lock up their Top 5=10 type picks from '23, then ship out the '24 and '25 1st Rd picks. Also as I have repeatedly posted, Jackson to my knowledge can wait until 3 days prior to kickoff to sign his franchise tag, that's a lot of time to relax and discuss things with many other teams and then find a number that Baltimore isn't likely to match and that's going to be more than Watson was signed for. You have to raise the number to something unthinkable like $300M was a number I tossed out and that is on the high side but likely would make him your franchise QB and the search is over as they say.
He's been franchise tagged for less than a night, give it some time.
Every reporter wants to try and be the guy reporting the scoop here.
Jackson can take all summer off and see if any teams want to trade for him after the Draft and after they lock up their Top 5=10 type picks from '23, then ship out the '24 and '25 1st Rd picks. Also as I have repeatedly posted, Jackson to my knowledge can wait until 3 days prior to kickoff to sign his franchise tag, that's a lot of time to relax and discuss things with many other teams and then find a number that Baltimore isn't likely to match and that's going to be more than Watson was signed for. You have to raise the number to something unthinkable like $300M was a number I tossed out and that is on the high side but likely would make him your franchise QB and the search is over as they say.
He's been franchise tagged for less than a night, give it some time.
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I don't believe these teams saying no are posturing. At all.
We sure did not see that last year with Watson and that involved teams taking PR hits for even being interested as well as angering Matt Ryan so much he asked out.
We got a report this AM that the Jets gave Rodgers permission to talk to the Jets and within a few hours the head coach, GM and owner were on a cross country flight to recruit him. Maybe those people got word last night, but still, they quickly went into full court press mode.
When Tom Brady was free I sure did not see a littany of teams rushing to get word they are out.
Teams don't have to say anything right now and not even sure they can. Silence is normal and what is expected right now. I've still not seen anything that makes sense to me while so many teams can't wait to say they are out.
We sure did not see that last year with Watson and that involved teams taking PR hits for even being interested as well as angering Matt Ryan so much he asked out.
We got a report this AM that the Jets gave Rodgers permission to talk to the Jets and within a few hours the head coach, GM and owner were on a cross country flight to recruit him. Maybe those people got word last night, but still, they quickly went into full court press mode.
When Tom Brady was free I sure did not see a littany of teams rushing to get word they are out.
Teams don't have to say anything right now and not even sure they can. Silence is normal and what is expected right now. I've still not seen anything that makes sense to me while so many teams can't wait to say they are out.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Exactly. Silence is expected. Folding immediately indicates something different. If he does indeed get stonewalled, his reaction will be rather unpredictable.
LawFitz
Footballguy
We've seen something, but we don't want it to make sense.
So sick of the effort to accuse anyone and everyone, even nobody in particular................... of racism.
GTFO.
The whole league is laughing at the Browns and Cardinals for their stupidity.
Count me in as not interested in paying him this kind of guaranteed money, and ESPECIALLY not in addition to 2 first round picks.
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