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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (3 Viewers)


Seems a bit early for this kinda stuff. He was tagged like 5 hours ago.
Yeah, that tweet, like much of Twitter, is silly.
Hours after he's tagged already starting with collusion and racism.

The timing isn't going to help Jackson here. The last couple of years have had some teams do some really wild things for some really good QBs, and it hasn't worked out well.

So, there are fewer teams with the means and desire to toss around a quarter of a billion in guaranteed money, and teams are gun shy about doing it.
 
Just spitballin’ but if I’m a team like Atlanta, for example, I negotiate something that Baltimore can’t match and then tell LJax to not sign anything until after the draft. Get to keep that top 10 pick (or even maybe trade down to recoup some picks) and ship off my two future 1sts instead that are hopefully much later…

Pretty sure there are deadlines/rules in place to prevent exactly this. Anything being presented to Baltimore will have already been signed prior to the draft, and then agreed upon picks immediately change hands.

I was curious though if Baltimore can choose which 1sts they want. This years and next years? Two this year if a team (Houston, Detroit) has them?
 
We sure did not see that last year with Watson and that involved teams taking PR hits for even being interested as well as angering Matt Ryan so much he asked out.
Perhaps this is the reason teams have said what they said, learning from last year's fallout.
 
Well, say a team trades their 1st right now. Say Houston wants Ljax, so they trade down from 2 right now.
If they did that, they no longer own their own 1st this year, so would it default to their 2024 and 2025 1sts?
 
It seems, and has seemed for a while now, that Ljax is likely asking for fully guaranteed and more than Watson got. Well, it probably won't happen. The Browns are one year into it and have to restructure already.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Sorry Ljax, you're out of luck. You only get like 150 million guaranteed. Boo freaking hooko
 
We sure did not see that last year with Watson and that involved teams taking PR hits for even being interested as well as angering Matt Ryan so much he asked out.
Perhaps this is the reason teams have said what they said, learning from last year's fallout.
Look what happened last year with Watson.
Atlanta POD their starting QB and he went to Indy.
Cleveland POD their starting QB and he demanded a trade.
Why would any team show any public interest in trying to trade for a QB like Lamar who would start and get paid.
It doesn't make sense for teams without a viable starter, even a team like Atlanta who cut their starting QB. What advantage could they get by showing their hand? It only drives up the price.
 
Well, say a team trades their 1st right now. Say Houston wants Ljax, so they trade down from 2 right now.
If they did that, they no longer own their own 1st this year, so would it default to their 2024 and 2025 1sts?
it’s an interesting thought; or if a team like the dolphins signed him. One would think they’d have to give the 24 and 25.
 
Well, say a team trades their 1st right now. Say Houston wants Ljax, so they trade down from 2 right now.
If they did that, they no longer own their own 1st this year, so would it default to their 2024 and 2025 1sts?
Well, what's Houston getting for the 2nd overall pick in this scenario? In most trade down scenarios you're still netting a first in the trade year. Especially for the 2nd overall. They also still have the 12th pick.

Also, why would they sign Jackson to some deal that's so exorbitant the Ravens wouldn't dare match it? There's a reason so many teams were immediately publicly "out" and it's not race. They're setting a precedent that they aren't going to be signing QBs (or anyone) to outlandish fully guaranteed deals.

Lamar wants the Watson deal+ and the Ravens have leaked that information to the rest of the NFL.
 
Well, say a team trades their 1st right now. Say Houston wants Ljax, so they trade down from 2 right now.
If they did that, they no longer own their own 1st this year, so would it default to their 2024 and 2025 1sts?
From what I remember about the franchise tag, a team would need a draft pick in the next draft to be eligible to sign a player to an offer sheet. In your example, HOU could trade the #2 pick . . . but they wouldn’t be able to make an offer to Lamar until after the draft ended in April. Since the “next draft” would be then be 2024, they could then get back in the mix with their 2024 and 2025 picks.
 
It's amazing how righteous people feel when they initially see a few teams make announcements they are not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
And suddenly I see that owners are poor and don't have the money to afford fully guaranteed contracts.
Where can I start a GoFundMe page for all of them?
While no one should feel sorry for the owners, the CBA stipulates that all guaranteed money in a player’s contract has to be placed in escrow at the time the contract is signed. So a team would need to pony up say $250M immediately. Very few people have that kind of scratch just lying around. I’ve heard some discussion on TV about this, and many times they have to borrow a chunk of the money. Can’t imagine what the interest rate is on loans that amount.
 
if and ONLY if Watson works our for my browns, they will have succesfully knocked the ravens out of a starting QB, and Burrow going to demand insanity as well.

said it at the time, and more relevant now... in the shortish term, and provided he ends up being what he's shown, the deal they signed watson do will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)
 
It's amazing how righteous people feel when they initially see a few teams make announcements they are not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
And suddenly I see that owners are poor and don't have the money to afford fully guaranteed contracts.
Where can I start a GoFundMe page for all of them?
While no one should feel sorry for the owners, the CBA stipulates that all guaranteed money in a player’s contract has to be placed in escrow at the time the contract is signed. So a team would need to pony up say $250M immediately. Very few people have that kind of scratch just lying around. I’ve heard some discussion on TV about this, and many times they have to borrow a chunk of the money. Can’t imagine what the interest rate is on loans that amount.
Good point but would have to think NFL teams/owners would have access to friendly loan deals.
 
It's amazing how righteous people feel when they initially see a few teams make announcements they are not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
And suddenly I see that owners are poor and don't have the money to afford fully guaranteed contracts.
Where can I start a GoFundMe page for all of them?
While no one should feel sorry for the owners, the CBA stipulates that all guaranteed money in a player’s contract has to be placed in escrow at the time the contract is signed. So a team would need to pony up say $250M immediately. Very few people have that kind of scratch just lying around. I’ve heard some discussion on TV about this, and many times they have to borrow a chunk of the money. Can’t imagine what the interest rate is on loans that amount.
I bet Robert Kraft has that kind of scratch sitting around his house.
I read your post about the Patriots and brought it up in the Miami thread.
I think it's brilliant and I hadn't thought of them as a real player for Lamar.
I like what you mentioned about Belichick, people dismiss him as arrogant but I could see him running an offense as you described.
Old school smash mouth which most defenses around the NFL are ill equipped to stop.
Of course you have to keep the defenses honest but in the modern NFL that's not very hard to do.
 
Seems like a lot of folks are missing the point being made regarding collusion.

First, it has nothing to do with racism and I don’t think it does either, so let’s just full stop that. Second, it is reasonable to think handing out a $250M fully guaranteed contract AND 2 1st round picks is far too costly. I tend to agree, particularly for a running quarterback.

The point is, for 5 QB needy teams to immediately go on the record stating they are not interested, reeks of collusion. It reeks because it is coming off the heels of an owners meeting on a secluded beach, which came off the heels of a combine most the entire league attendees.

It’s undeniably happened before, in 2012 when the CBA was being negotiated and Washington and Dallas were penalized for merely treating an uncapped year as an uncapped year. There have been plenty other times speculated, but that one was proven as fact when the league penalized those teams for simply operating within the boundaries of the rules.

Teams haven’t even spoken with him yet. Teams that desperately need QBs. And they’re publicly out? Within like 5 seconds of the announcement? When does that EVER happen?

It definitely reeks of the league digging in its collective heels on guaranteed contracts. It might even reek of the league trying to wrestle back a little leverage from the player when it comes to the tagging QBs game.

Again, the point is NOT that 5 QB needy teams couldn’t possibly come to the conclusion that he’s too expensive to pursue. The point IS that it’s not only highly unusual, but completely without precedent, for those same 5 teams to immediately issue statements for the press that they’re not interested. That just doesn’t happen.
 
It definitely reeks of the league digging in its collective heels on guaranteed contracts
if this was some conspiracy why would they handle it this way? Wouldn’t it look better if a few teams did negotiate but stood strong on the “fully guaranteed” part.

I think the teams that need QBs were probably in draft prospect mode and don’t want to comment on Jackson yet so will just say “not interested” at this point - I mean they could lose draft picks for tampering if they did discuss signing him before the legal tampering period, potentially.

There’s nothing stopping them from being interested in two weeks once the league year opens up.
 
Just spitballin’ but if I’m a team like Atlanta, for example, I negotiate something that Baltimore can’t match and then tell LJax to not sign anything until after the draft. Get to keep that top 10 pick (or even maybe trade down to recoup some picks) and ship off my two future 1sts instead that are hopefully much later…

Pretty sure there are deadlines/rules in place to prevent exactly this. Anything being presented to Baltimore will have already been signed prior to the draft, and then agreed upon picks immediately change hands.

I was curious though if Baltimore can choose which 1sts they want. This years and next years? Two this year if a team (Houston, Detroit) has them?

Was posted earlier in the thread, Jackson can negotiate multi-year contracts up thru July 17. He doesn’t have to sign his tender until week 10 at the latest (but seems unlikely he would forego over a million dollars per game by that point.) Teams have to trade their own original picks starting in the next draft so a team like Miami can’t even consider signing him right now since they don’t have a 2023 1st rounder. However after the 2023 draft, teams could then negotiate with him and could send their 2024 & 2025 1sts for him to Baltimore if they don’t match.

Poison pill provisions were outlawed after the Vikings used one to pry Steve Hutchinson away from the Seahawks in 2006. So any team negotiating and not wanting Baltimore to match is going to have to overpay or frontload or fully guarantee or something Baltimore doesn’t want to do. But what are those parameters that Baltimore won’t match?

IMO, no team wants to do Baltimore’s work for them since they can just match any offer. Couple that with most teams that would be interested are either tight on cap space, missing their original 2023 draft picks, or sitting on very early picks they won’t want to give, I am not surprised no one is super interested at the moment. Doesn’t help it’s been less than 24 hours so we are still in the tampering period nor that Jackson doesn’t have an agent (a dumb move, penny wise and pound foolish there.)
 
It definitely reeks of the league digging in its collective heels on guaranteed contracts
if this was some conspiracy why would they handle it this way? Wouldn’t it look better if a few teams did negotiate but stood strong on the “fully guaranteed” part.

I think the teams that need QBs were probably in draft prospect mode and don’t want to comment on Jackson yet so will just say “not interested” at this point - I mean they could lose draft picks for tampering if they did discuss signing him before the legal tampering period, potentially.

There’s nothing stopping them from being interested in two weeks once the league year opens up.
I would say it's because they're all fully aware of what his demands are from the Ravens and this is their way of publicly saying, "sorry, no, not happening."

But, could be the tampering aspect too. Miami got creamed for sniffing around Brady.
 
will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)

The theory that the Browns handed out an incredibly dumb contract to mess with their rivals is an interesting one.
They didn't do it intentionally, but soon as it happened this was predicted, and specifically predicted about Lamar
 
will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)

The theory that the Browns handed out an incredibly dumb contract to mess with their rivals is an interesting one.
They didn't do it intentionally, but soon as it happened this was predicted, and specifically predicted about Lamar
Congrats?
It is what it is.
 
will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)

The theory that the Browns handed out an incredibly dumb contract to mess with their rivals is an interesting one.
They didn't do it intentionally, but soon as it happened this was predicted, and specifically predicted about Lamar
Congrats?
It is what it is.
Well some of you seem oddly proud of it. Just seems like an odd stance. My team is run by idiots but at least it will cause some chaos in the league.
 
PFF has a page devoted to NFL FAs and gives a 'ballpark' figure on what they are worth. They got it right with Geno Smith's contract.
Brad Spielberger, Esq.
@PFF_Brad
Guessing there could be some incentives here but we're gonna take our first bullseye1f3af.pngvictory lap of the offseason nonetheless. Check out all our projections, with updates coming this week: https://pff.com/nfl/free-agency?season=2023… Productive week in Indy for Geno, push Seattle to the finish line
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The link to PFF's page.
This is what they have projected for Lamar Jackson's worth.
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PROJECTED CONTRACT
5 yrs — $52m avg/yr
$208m guaranteed, $260m total

Jackson is not just the league's most electrifying open-field runner at the quarterback position. His 4.9% big-time throw rate since 2019 is a top-16 mark among qualifying quarterbacks, and he boasts a 93.3 passing grade on throws 10-plus yards downfield in that same span.
 
if this was some conspiracy why would they handle it this way? Wouldn’t it look better if a few teams did negotiate but stood strong on the “fully guaranteed” part.

I think the teams that need QBs were probably in draft prospect mode and don’t want to comment on Jackson yet so will just say “not interested” at this point - I mean they could lose draft picks for tampering if they did discuss signing him before the legal tampering period, potentially.

There’s nothing stopping them from being interested in two weeks once the league year opens up.
Good point, especially since Lamar doesn't have an agent to do the sneaking around for him.

They would be in direct contact with the player himself. Obviously a no-no during this period I would think.
 
Teams haven’t even spoken with him yet. Teams that desperately need QBs. And they’re publicly out? Within like 5 seconds of the announcement? When does that EVER happen?
I don't know whether there was collusion or not (I lean to not) but it's not like Lamar getting slapped with the non-exclusive franchise tag was a surprise to anyone.

Both LaMar Jackson and Baltimore Ravens are taking risks here. Lamar may not get the contract he wants and the Ravens must consider the possibility of Jackson sitting out. Will they spend a high draft pick on a QB? It should be interesting...
 
Adam Thompson
@BookiesAdam
·13h

Lamar Jackson UPDATED next team odds, via
@bookies:
Las Vegas Raiders +300
Atlanta Falcons +350
Carolina Panthers +400
Chicago Bears +475
New York Jets +700
Baltimore Ravens +750
Miami Dolphins +1800
The Field +1700
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cordarrelle patterson
@ceeflashpee84

Man if we land Lamar!! The city will go crazy!!!!! I mean crazy crazy l!!!!
No idea what Vegas is thinking with the Bears on there. 0% chance they end up with Lamar. They aren't giving up #1 overall, and a 1st next year, to pay a ton of money, for what might not even be much of an upgrade. If they were gonna move on from Fields, they'd just draft a guy #1.
 
It's amazing how righteous people feel when they initially see a few teams make announcements they are not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
And suddenly I see that owners are poor and don't have the money to afford fully guaranteed contracts.
Where can I start a GoFundMe page for all of them?
While no one should feel sorry for the owners, the CBA stipulates that all guaranteed money in a player’s contract has to be placed in escrow at the time the contract is signed. So a team would need to pony up say $250M immediately. Very few people have that kind of scratch just lying around. I’ve heard some discussion on TV about this, and many times they have to borrow a chunk of the money. Can’t imagine what the interest rate is on loans that amount.
I bet Robert Kraft has that kind of scratch sitting around his house.
I read your post about the Patriots and brought it up in the Miami thread.
I think it's brilliant and I hadn't thought of them as a real player for Lamar.
I like what you mentioned about Belichick, people dismiss him as arrogant but I could see him running an offense as you described.
Old school smash mouth which most defenses around the NFL are ill equipped to stop.
Of course you have to keep the defenses honest but in the modern NFL that's not very hard to do.

I could be wrong but legit business don't usually have owners dipping into them for their personal funds and vice versa. Generally they try to keep those things separate.
 
I could be wrong but legit business don't usually have owners dipping into them for their personal funds and vice versa. Generally they try to keep those things separate.
Yep, but if an owner has the capital, he can lend it to the team for no interest if he chose to do so.

In general, I don't believe too many owners have 200 mill in bank accounts somewhere, ready to be put in use. Wealth like that is invested, and not all in one place, unless they're idiots. Most owners I would assume would have to borrow that amount. They get, I am sure, favorable terms as NFL team seems as safe a place as possible to lend money, but still, millions in interest.

If you have a hundred grand in your bank account, everyone you know would be telling you to invest it, but NFL owners have 200 mill in a savings account? I don't think so
 
if and ONLY if Watson works our for my browns, they will have succesfully knocked the ravens out of a starting QB, and Burrow going to demand insanity as well.

said it at the time, and more relevant now... in the shortish term, and provided he ends up being what he's shown, the deal they signed watson do will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)
Yeah, that'll show 'em!
 
I could be wrong but legit business don't usually have owners dipping into them for their personal funds and vice versa. Generally they try to keep those things separate.
Yep, but if an owner has the capital, he can lend it to the team for no interest if he chose to do so.

In general, I don't believe too many owners have 200 mill in bank accounts somewhere, ready to be put in use. Wealth like that is invested, and not all in one place, unless they're idiots. Most owners I would assume would have to borrow that amount. They get, I am sure, favorable terms as NFL team seems as safe a place as possible to lend money, but still, millions in interest.

If you have a hundred grand in your bank account, everyone you know would be telling you to invest it, but NFL owners have 200 mill in a savings account? I don't think so
What's wrong with having $100k in a checking account? As interest rates rise and homes begin to fall back a couple levels, not a bad idea to have a lot of loose cash on hand to make offers on RE so you don't have to borrow money at 6.5% from the Feds.
;)

-I get what you're saying, point well taken
 
The first two words I hear on ESPN-Get Up after I'm done with the opening markets, anyone want to take a guess the first two words these ears hear?

"White Owners" as they are discussing Lamar Jackson

I find it incredibly sad that race is going to be the overriding narrative if this doesn't go Lamar Jackson's way and mind you it's not Lamar saying these things.
What relationship does Jackson have with the other 31 NFL teams? An agent would be a bold and wise move right now, could likely get this all wrapped up quickly.

Watson got $230M Guaranteed but then you have Kyler Murray and he inked a $189M guaranteed, there has to be a number in there that works. You can't offer him less than Murray and say you are giving him fair market value, that's silly talk. The Ravens don't want to ink over more than the Browns did, there's a $40M spread here between the 2 contracts, what are they fighting over?

If Baltimore is unwilling to match a Watson deal, I find it hard to believe teams wouldn't try and at least make a $200M guaranteed deal over 4 yrs
Ship the 2 1st Rd picks, end of story.
The challenge for teams is if they make a contract offer and it simply is matched by Baltimore, that would destroy relationships within the teams trying to acquire him. (MIA/Tua) example
It seems wiser for teams to at least get thru the Draft and then go offer Jackson whatever he wants after they navigate free agency and figure out their cap situation, yes/no?

This is going to play out for months IMHO, it won't be over by the weekend.
 
if and ONLY if Watson works our for my browns, they will have succesfully knocked the ravens out of a starting QB, and Burrow going to demand insanity as well.

said it at the time, and more relevant now... in the shortish term, and provided he ends up being what he's shown, the deal they signed watson do will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)
What it really does is make the Mahomes and Allen contracts look like absolute steals for the Chiefs and Bills already.
 
will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)

The theory that the Browns handed out an incredibly dumb contract to mess with their rivals is an interesting one.
They didn't do it intentionally, but soon as it happened this was predicted, and specifically predicted about Lamar
Congrats?
It is what it is.
Well some of you seem oddly proud of it. Just seems like an odd stance. My team is run by idiots but at least it will cause some chaos in the league.
Sometimes a ball gets tipped and goes your way. No problem being happy about it right?
 
I could be wrong but legit business don't usually have owners dipping into them for their personal funds and vice versa. Generally they try to keep those things separate.
Yep, but if an owner has the capital, he can lend it to the team for no interest if he chose to do so.

In general, I don't believe too many owners have 200 mill in bank accounts somewhere, ready to be put in use. Wealth like that is invested, and not all in one place, unless they're idiots. Most owners I would assume would have to borrow that amount. They get, I am sure, favorable terms as NFL team seems as safe a place as possible to lend money, but still, millions in interest.

If you have a hundred grand in your bank account, everyone you know would be telling you to invest it, but NFL owners have 200 mill in a savings account? I don't think so
What's wrong with having $100k in a checking account? As interest rates rise and homes begin to fall back a couple levels, not a bad idea to have a lot of loose cash on hand to make offers on RE so you don't have to borrow money at 6.5% from the Feds.
;)

-I get what you're saying, point well taken
So, what you're saying, is that you should invest that $100k in your checking account. :ponder:
 
Adam Thompson
@BookiesAdam
·13h

Lamar Jackson UPDATED next team odds, via
@bookies:
Las Vegas Raiders +300
Atlanta Falcons +350
Carolina Panthers +400
Chicago Bears +475
New York Jets +700
Baltimore Ravens +750
Miami Dolphins +1800
The Field +1700
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cordarrelle patterson
@ceeflashpee84

Man if we land Lamar!! The city will go crazy!!!!! I mean crazy crazy l!!!!
No idea what Vegas is thinking with the Bears on there. 0% chance they end up with Lamar. They aren't giving up #1 overall, and a 1st next year, to pay a ton of money, for what might not even be much of an upgrade. If they were gonna move on from Fields, they'd just draft a guy #1.
Funny thing, the idea of trading fields for Lamar had been brought up on the Herd and a couple places before last week. The bears have the extra money. Although I’m not sure if they’d be aiming to guarantee any more than other teams.
 
will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)

The theory that the Browns handed out an incredibly dumb contract to mess with their rivals is an interesting one.
They didn't do it intentionally, but soon as it happened this was predicted, and specifically predicted about Lamar
Congrats?
It is what it is.
Well some of you seem oddly proud of it. Just seems like an odd stance. My team is run by idiots but at least it will cause some chaos in the league.
Sometimes a ball gets tipped and goes your way. No problem being happy about it right?
Whatever helps, I guess.
 
I could be wrong but legit business don't usually have owners dipping into them for their personal funds and vice versa. Generally they try to keep those things separate.
Yep, but if an owner has the capital, he can lend it to the team for no interest if he chose to do so.

In general, I don't believe too many owners have 200 mill in bank accounts somewhere, ready to be put in use. Wealth like that is invested, and not all in one place, unless they're idiots. Most owners I would assume would have to borrow that amount. They get, I am sure, favorable terms as NFL team seems as safe a place as possible to lend money, but still, millions in interest.

If you have a hundred grand in your bank account, everyone you know would be telling you to invest it, but NFL owners have 200 mill in a savings account? I don't think so
What's wrong with having $100k in a checking account? As interest rates rise and homes begin to fall back a couple levels, not a bad idea to have a lot of loose cash on hand to make offers on RE so you don't have to borrow money at 6.5% from the Feds.
;)

-I get what you're saying, point well taken
So, what you're saying, is that you should invest that $100k in your checking account. :ponder:
When you have loose cash around you can buy and sell a lot easier.
Forget even the checking account because the IRS is keeping tabs these days, how about a big safe in the house or under the mattresses?
401k money is great, traditional investments are great, it's also fun to buy and sell things with cash including but not limited to Real Estate
Some of you make it sound like more than a few dollars in your pocket is a crime.
I am an enthusiastic cash n carry man and make no apologies
Wasn't aimed at you specifically Tom, good to see you
 
if and ONLY if Watson works our for my browns, they will have succesfully knocked the ravens out of a starting QB, and Burrow going to demand insanity as well.

said it at the time, and more relevant now... in the shortish term, and provided he ends up being what he's shown, the deal they signed watson do will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)
Thanks for sabotaging three teams in your division.

Signed,
All Other AFC Teams
 
will be a masterstroke if it pins the ravens and bengals against the wall w their QBs (crippling the rest of their roster in the process)

The theory that the Browns handed out an incredibly dumb contract to mess with their rivals is an interesting one.
They didn't do it intentionally, but soon as it happened this was predicted, and specifically predicted about Lamar
Congrats?
It is what it is.
Well some of you seem oddly proud of it. Just seems like an odd stance. My team is run by idiots but at least it will cause some chaos in the league.

The Haslems must love the Joker. “Some people just like to watch the world burn”
 
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In general, I don't believe too many owners have 200 mill in bank accounts somewhere, ready to be put in use. Wealth like that is invested, and not all in one place, unless they're idiots. Most owners I would assume would have to borrow that amount.
If you have this sort of wealth and own an NFL franchise, do you need more money laying around in investments or would you use a couple of hundred mill on your NFL team? This list is five years old so these folks likely have made enough in investing their billions to cover the escrow to sign Lamar and if you notice, Jimmy Haslam isn't in the top-ten.
* Just checked and current list from 2022 shows the 19th richest NFL owner with over $3.5 billion so more than half the league can afford the escrow account to sign Lamar.

Top 15 richest owners in the NFL​

1. David Tepper, Panthers: $14.5 billion (142nd-richest person in the world)
2. Jerry Jones,
Cowboys: $8.9 billion
3. Stan Kroenke, Rams: $8.2 billion
4. Shahid Khan, Jaguars: $8 billion
5. Stephen Ross,
Dolphins: $7 billion
6. Robert Kraft,
Patriots: $6.9 billion
7. Arthur Blank,
Falcons: $6.2 billion
8. Terry Pegula,
Bills: $5.4 billion
9. Stephen Bisciotti,
Ravens: $4.9 billion
10. Janice McNair,
Texans: $4.1 billion
11. Denise York,
49ers: $3.5 billion
12. Gayle Benson,
Saints: $3.4 billion
T-13. Jimmy Haslam,
Browns: $3 billion
T-13. Jim Irsay,
Colts: $3 billion
T-13. Jeffrey Lurie,
Eagles: $3 billion
 
If you have this sort of wealth and own an NFL franchise, do you need more money laying around in investments or would you use a couple of hundred mill on your NFL team
Investments are making money. Money in a bank account is lying around.

World's richest man paid himself a huge salary at Tesla, and Danny Snyder had to borrow 50 mill from the Commanders.

Owning stock or assets that crank up your worth don't always result in having liquid assets lying around. Wealthy people borrow against their own wealth all the time.

I don't have any idea what number it is that people need to reach before they stop caring about making more money, but no one has reached it yet.

At any rate, I think it's not about not getting access to the capital, I think it's pretty clear that the NFL doesn't want to fully guarantee deals. Call it collusion, whatever. If Lamar gets a fully guaranteed deal, then it's baseball, and some edge rusher will go after it next.

Right now the NFL can cut players after a year or two, saving them millions of dollars. Everyone loves this system, except the players. The NFL needs to hold fast against Lamar, because it will save them billions over the next 20 years.

Lamar isn't winning the PR battle, but this is not unlike Curt Flood, he can improve financial terms for players forever. It's not my money, so I don't really care, but other leagues do fine with guaranteed deals.
 
You can't offer him less than Murray and say you are giving him fair market value, that's silly talk.

I don't agree with this. His market value is what other teams are willing to pay him in 2023. It can have a loose relationship to prior deals, but if all *current* bidders deem those prior deals irrational, then the current market may be set at a lower level without it being silly at all.
 
^^^ That said, if the current bidders circled a beach somewhere and collectively decided not to make their highest and best bids, then that would be something else entirely.
 

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