Judge Smails
Footballguy
As an Andrews owner I don’t like this one bit. Lamar was bad last week. Thought it was his annual illness and hoped it was one week. Now this
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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (4 Viewers)
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Dizzy
Footballguy
Not for a professional football player, but he'll be a great Senator.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Interesting graph showing team taking the clock down to 3 seconds or under the most snapping the ball.
Hmmmn.
Could be plays getting in late or Jackson taking long looks reading the defense, but it would allow defenses to 'time' the snap.
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Jonas Shaffer@jonas_shaffer
In light of recent events, I looked at how often teams snap the ball with 3 seconds or fewer on the play clock. Guess which bar is the Ravens’ bar.
LINK to chart
Hmmmn.
Could be plays getting in late or Jackson taking long looks reading the defense, but it would allow defenses to 'time' the snap.
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Jonas Shaffer@jonas_shaffer
In light of recent events, I looked at how often teams snap the ball with 3 seconds or fewer on the play clock. Guess which bar is the Ravens’ bar.
LINK to chart
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He's injured and this 'probably' wouldn't have come out if the twitter clash hadn't happened.
It is obvious that 'something' is off after his scintillating hot start.
The way people have gotten down on him and have dragged him is reason enough to release this injury. Teams tend to keep this sort of thing under wraps.
He's been dealing with injuries that 'probably' have been impacting his play.
I bet he wanted it known after taking a PR hit when he snapped back at someone who took a shot at him.
Ravens' Lamar Jackson leaves practice with quadriceps injury
...This is the third straight week that Jackson has been on the injury report. He missed a practice two weeks ago due to illness and was sidelined for a practice last week because of a hip injury.
Jackson has proven to be extremely durable, missing four games in his five-year career due to injury. He was sidelined for the last four weeks last season because of an ankle injury.
...This latest injury comes days after Baltimore's frustrating loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars. After the game, a Twitter used tagged Jackson in a tweet that read: "someone asking for over $250 million guaranteed like [Jackson] ... games like this should not come down to [kicker] Justin Tucker."
Jackson snapped back shortly afterward with a profane reply, ...
It is obvious that 'something' is off after his scintillating hot start.
The way people have gotten down on him and have dragged him is reason enough to release this injury. Teams tend to keep this sort of thing under wraps.
He's been dealing with injuries that 'probably' have been impacting his play.
I bet he wanted it known after taking a PR hit when he snapped back at someone who took a shot at him.
Ravens' Lamar Jackson leaves practice with quadriceps injury
...This is the third straight week that Jackson has been on the injury report. He missed a practice two weeks ago due to illness and was sidelined for a practice last week because of a hip injury.
Jackson has proven to be extremely durable, missing four games in his five-year career due to injury. He was sidelined for the last four weeks last season because of an ankle injury.
...This latest injury comes days after Baltimore's frustrating loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars. After the game, a Twitter used tagged Jackson in a tweet that read: "someone asking for over $250 million guaranteed like [Jackson] ... games like this should not come down to [kicker] Justin Tucker."
Jackson snapped back shortly afterward with a profane reply, ...
Dizzy
Footballguy
Back-to-back seasons with less than 100% availability. Has to play a role.
And it's quite clear he's not much of a qb if the running threat is limited...
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jackson is exciting to watch, but his style has led to injury after injury. Problem is Jackson would be middle of the pack or even lower as a drop back passer. So to be effective he has to risk his body breaking down and he is not built like Newton or Allen. I would not want the Lions to sign Jackson to a Watson type mega-deal.
Ravens should try and trade Jackson and roll the dice with the cheaper Huntley.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
the combo of draft picks and a much lower salary cap hit would make this the play. Spend that money on FAs and if Huntley craps out draft another QB next year.
Lots of concensus around this opinion. The delays in the contract make me think the ravens are thinking the same...
Chaka
Footballguy
He hasn't been much of a QB this season even with his full mobility.
massraider
Footballguy
They have had a preview of life without Lamar. Tough couple weeks.
I don't think he should be worried about the next contract.
They've also had a preview of life with him, 1 career playoff win, and they're 7-4 with him this year, 2-1 without.
He shouldn't be worried about the next contract because it's going to be a ton of money, just not nearly as much as he thought it was going to be.
The comparison isn't him vs. Huntley, that's a weak strawman. It's him vs. whoever they replace him with at QB and multiple #1 draft picks and likely multiple very good players they could use that money on instead. Anyone who thinks Lamar's case has gotten stronger this year is borderline delusional IMO.
massraider
Footballguy
I didn't make a Huntley comparison, and I didn't say his case was stronger this year. Other than that, strong take.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jackson should have taken the deal that was offered. It was not a Watson deal but the Browns had to overpay, but it was a dam good deal for an often injured QB
135 million was guaranteed even if he had a career ending injury, 250 million if he played the contract out for 6 seasons or 41 million a season. Since he is 26 that would only take him to 32.
Have to think Jackson plans on playing until at least 32. Unless foolish pride plays a role I think he would take that same deal if offered right now.
You quoted a post that did make that comparison, and I didn't say you said his case was stronger this year. Other than that, strong take.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Put his body on the line for the team when others stated he should stop running to protect himself. Now he is going to get lowballed. Good form, Baltimore.
Chaka
Footballguy
I have a lot of respect for Lamar for betting on himself and not taking the "Murray" contract and shooting for the "Watson" deal.
He didn't put his body on the line for the team he did it for himself, any benefit for the team also benefitted him.
Bottom line is, after a scorching three game start to the 2022 season he has been average at best, and that is being generous by many measures.
He's a career 64% passer so he has the argument that he isn't entirely dependent on his legs and we can argue the Ravens didn't help him in the WR department this season and what they had got injured. However, what I have seen this season as a whole does not make a strong argument for even the "Murray" deal, although he'll get that as a baseline for sure, and he needs to accept the "Watson" deal is off the table from the Ravens.
I wouldn't blame the Ravens if the franchised him and shopped him. He's a very good QB but he doesn't seem to have the makeup of a Mahomes, Allen, Burrow type and, if he was going to be Hurts or Watson (guys who can move and hit 67% of their throws...that extra 3% is huge in the NFL) it probably would have happened already.
But after that Herbert is the only QB, I think, I would 100% take as my guy over Lamar, so he still has tremendous value and the Ravens shouldn't simply dish him unless they get a kings ransom for him. But I also wouldn't want to count on him for six seasons, particularly once his legs start to go.
Chaka
Footballguy
This is a fair point, the Ravens have not supported Lamar by building a strong receiving corps behind Bateman.
Then again the Chiefs replaced Tyreek with JuJu. I am actually a big JuJu fan but a zero dropoff after losing Tyreek?
Not saying Mahomes should be the bar for Lamar but if he wants the Watson deal I wouldn't blame the Ravens for opting to let another team give it to him.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't think they suck total ***. They've historically had a terrible record drafting WR's, and a pretty good record everywhere else.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Lamar has nothing to prove. Bateman hurt. Andrews hurt. RB's were hurt. O-Line decimated and was not their usual dominant self early in the season. The league has seen what he can do and with weapons he can beat any team, including those with Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts etc. It is a business and I get it. There is risk signing running QBs to long term deals after their rookie contract. It will happen with Hurts. It will happen with Fields. So Lamar is going to have to accept some sort of discount based on that - or do a shorter term deal and try to get paid again. But it shouldn't be far off of Watson/Murray.
Herbert and Lawrence are the next two prototypical pocket QBs who will break the bank
Herbert and Lawrence are the next two prototypical pocket QBs who will break the bank
Decent chance this is schtick but I'll take the bait.
Lamar "put his body on the line" for himself. He turned down an absolutely insane amount of money because it wasn't enough for him. He won't hire an agent and uses his mom as an advisor, presumably so he can keep every nickel of his contract for himself. He skipped offseason workouts, has reportedly not put in the work in the film room or locker room, and acted the fool on social media.
He bet on himself and he lost (so far). He hasn't played anywhere near the level of contract that he thinks he's worth and is now hurt, highlighting the many reasons why some feel he shouldn't get a record breaking contract. Quite frankly Baltimore should lower their offer based on what they've seen this year. I seriously doubt they do however, and you might want to actually see what they do before calling them out.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
It should be far off the Watson deal. That deal was both insane and stupid. It was insupid! The Ravens would be insane and stupid to match that. If Lamar insists on that deal he should expect to be franchised and hope the Ravens find an different owner to make an insane and stupid offer.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Yes, yes, YESSSSSSSSS. Trade him.
Everyone knows league MVPs grow on trees.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
And only 2 Heisman winning quarterbacks have won The Super Bowl
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Agreed, they all suck. Trade him, trade him. traaaaaaaaaaaade him.
Chaka
Footballguy
Keeping him would be ideal for the Ravens but not on a Watson deal. If Lamar refuses to compromise and accept only
150 million guaranteed then, yes trading him is the smarter move. If they can get multiple first round picks from a team like the Colts, Saints, Panthers or Falcons? Yeah, they should do that.If they can get him to accept a Murray type deal then they should keep him.
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Don't you mean to sign that "Cleveland Browns fan"?
Nice try, but the Ravens are a much better organization so they won't be taking your crown for awful decisions at the QB position.
massraider
Footballguy
Pretty sure it's a lot easier to simply trade away your QB when you aren't going to lose your job if your next choice at QB sucks. People are casually mentioning trading him, when if they draft Kyle Wilson 2.0, they might all lose their jobs in two years. Keeping Lamar means job security.
The Ravens have two years of franchise tags they can use before Lamar can just walk. This seems early for trade talk. I may be wrong.
It's tough to tell, because like I said before, we don't really know what discussions are, we have rumors. There is no agent leaking news.
The Ravens have two years of franchise tags they can use before Lamar can just walk. This seems early for trade talk. I may be wrong.
It's tough to tell, because like I said before, we don't really know what discussions are, we have rumors. There is no agent leaking news.
The problem with trading for Lamar is you will have to completely retool your offense to play to his strengths. That was the biggest factor that the Ravens did to capitalize on his talents. Not every coach will be willing to do that so if he did get traded to a coach that won't make those changes it will likely look like a terrible trade and that Lamar is not all he was cracked up to be.
Chaka
Footballguy
That's a great point a trade is only truly viable for a firmly entrenched, consistently successful coaching staff. Fortunately the Ravens have one of those.
Maybe a high profile new hire could get away with it, say Sean Payton.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Plus it would also require a backup QB suitable to that customized system like Baltimore has done.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
$150M guaranteed is chump change now for elite QB’sKeeping him would be ideal for the Ravens but not on a Watson deal. If Lamar refuses to compromise and accept only
If they can get him to accept a Murray type deal then they should keep him.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Seriously, I wonder how much he pays his mom to advise him. I hope it's more than just buying her dinner on mothers day.
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