QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (4 Viewers)

[menobrown]

Now, maybe teams won't be willing to pay what the 3rd franchise tag would require. If the QB franchise tag this season ends up around $35M, then franchising Jackson a second time in 2024 would cost $42M and franchising him a third time in 2025 would cost at least $61M..

It will cost more then that to use the Exclusive tag on him which is why I just assumed a third tag would never happen. It's going to be $45m estimated to use the exlusive tag on Lamar. That jumps 20% the second time and 44% the third time. So we are taking $45M, $54m and $78m.

You are right that technically teams can tie the players up that extra year but how many times has a second exclusive tag been used? I don't think 3 has ever been used and likely never will on a QB but again technically it exits.

I don't think that is a given, especially given the need to escrow all guaranteed money.

I question how easily a number of franchises would find it to put $500M+ into escrow

We'll agree to disagree because I do see it as a given for players like we mentioned if they are still playing at their current level and I can't say for sure what the QB pay will be, not sure it's going to go to $100m and have an idea why you are coming up with that estimate but not sure it's going to work out that way or that all contracts would be 5 years, and in some cases the player may want it to be less especially if pay proved to increase at this rate. But I'd use Watson as an example to illustrate you don't need all the teams involved. A lot of teams did not have assets to trade for him and some did not want to spend assets or that money on a player with his baggage so his market was more a few teams then the entire league. This is how it would be if these top of the line QB's made it to FA. Some teams may be priced out, but a market of a few teams is all they will need.

 

[Tau837]

It will cost more then that to use the Exclusive tag on him which is why I just assumed a third tag would never happen. It's going to be $45m estimated to use the exlusive tag on Lamar. That jumps 20% the second time and 44% the third time. So we are taking $45M, $54m and $78m.

I posted this, which I received in an email from Spotrac, a few weeks ago in this thread:

The exclusive QB tag currently projects to cost $45.24M. Except not yet. This exact figure won't be determined until after the restricted tender season ends, somewhere around early April. What does this mean for the Ravens? Baltimore will carry the non-exclusive franchise tag value (projected to be around $32M) until that exclusive price is set. Also, the exclusive price is based on the Top 5 QB cap hits, workout bonuses excluded.

Right now, those 5 figures are extremely fluid, as Deshaun Watson's $54.9M, Dak Prescott's $49.1M, & Patrick Mahomes' $46.8M cap figures are surely to be restructured, Josh Allen's $39.7M figure is likely to be converted down, & Ryan Tannehill's $36.6M number might be removed altogether based on his roster status. In other words, let's treat this is as a $32M hit in March until further notice.

So I don't expect that the exclusive tag will be $45M in 2023.

But, even in your numbers, it would cost the Ravens $24M more in 2025 to tag him than in 2024. The salary cap will probably go from $224.8M this season to $245M next season to $267M+ in 2025. So they will be able to afford it if they choose.

You are right that technically teams can tie the players up that extra year but how many times has a second exclusive tag been used? I don't think 3 has ever been used and likely never will on a QB but again technically it exits.

I don't think precedent really means much here. For one thing, we were never at a point in the past where the salary cap was likely to jump by $20M+ every year, but we are now, which makes 3 consecutive tags potentially more feasible.

For another, part of what has created this situation is that Jackson doesn't have an agent, and that has never really happened before for a QB of his caliber, at least not that I recall.

We'll agree to disagree because I do see it as a given for players like we mentioned if they are still playing at their current level and I can't say for sure what the QB pay will be, not sure it's going to go to $100m and have an idea why you are coming up with that estimate but not sure it's going to work out that way or that all contracts would be 5 years, and in some cases the player may want it to be less especially if pay proved to increase at this rate. But I'd use Watson as an example to illustrate you don't need all the teams involved. A lot of teams did not have assets to trade for him and some did not want to spend assets or that money on a player with his baggage so his market was more a few teams then the entire league. This is how it would be if these top of the line QB's made it to FA. Some teams may be priced out, but a market of a few teams is all they will need.

I'm not sure why you would assume that every contract extension for these players would be 5 years or less. Mahomes' extension in 2020 was for 10 years, and I could see these franchises pushing for longer extensions, since it is arguably in their best interest, at least for QBs like Burrow and Herbert, who seem like locks to be top 5-10 QBs for the next decade. You might say that the players would push for shorter contracts, seeing that as being in their best interest, and that may be true... yet Mahomes agreed to a 10 year extension.

It makes sense that their teams may not have offered Allen (injury risk due to playing style), Murray (injury risk due to playing style, size), or Wilson (age) extensions for more than 5 years. But Burrow and Herbert seem like great candidates for longer extensions IMO.

And the scenario I responded to here was Burrow/Herbert playing through tags to reach a point of signing a longer term contract on the open market. That would be 4-5 years from now. By then, I would expect several more QBs to sign new contracts/extensions, driving the price higher than $50M per year for the top of the market contracts. Sign a 7 year contract for $72M AAV or 8 year contract for $63M AAV, and that is more than $500M. I was simply saying that I doubt it is a given that Burrow/Herbert would get a fully guaranteed contract in that scenario.

 

[menobrown]

So I don't expect that the exclusive tag will be $45M in 2023.

It's expected to be pretty close and arguing that is splitting hairs.

I don't think precedent really means much here. For one thing, we were never at a point in the past where the salary cap was likely to jump by $20M+ every year, but we are now, which makes 3 consecutive tags potentially more feasible.

But, even in your numbers, it would cost the Ravens $24M more in 2025 to tag him than in 2024. The salary cap will probably go from $224.8M this season to $245M next season to $267M+ in 2025. So they will be able to afford it if they choose

When the cap increase all pay increases for all position. The QB does not just gobble it all up because pay is going up for every other player on the team.

I'm not sure why you would assume that every contract extension for these players would be 5 years or less

WTF? You are the one who assumed it would be 5 year and I was stating otherwise.

Mahomes' extension in 2020 was for 10 years, and I could see these franchises pushing for longer extensions, since it is arguably in their best interest, at least for QBs like Burrow and Herbert, who seem like locks to be top 5-10 QBs for the next decade. You might say that the players would push for shorter contracts, seeing that as being in their best interest, and that may be true... yet Mahomes agreed to a 10 year extension.

I don't even know what you are saying here. Mahomes took 10 years, multiple Qb's since took less. I don't get the point and again it's you who made some 5 year at 100M assumption, not me. Multiple QB's took less years the Mahomes. Similar to Lamar's contract that's more of a one off then the norm. Dak's main holdup in his contract extension was he wanted less years so it happens. And if your math is true and QB pay was up to $100M in 5 years then it stands to reason it would be considerably more in 3 years thereafter. That would be why a player would want less years.

I was simply saying that I doubt it is a given that Burrow/Herbert would get a fully guaranteed contract in that scenario.

And as I said we can agree to disagree. That means you stated how you feel, I stated how I feel, it's move on time.

 

[Tau837]

WTF? You are the one who assumed it would be 5 year and I was stating otherwise.

again it's you who made some 5 year at 100M assumption, not me

if your math is true and QB pay was up to $100M in 5 years

I never stated that I was assuming 5 years (and I wasn't). I did point out that Burrow and Herbert can be tied to their current franchises for up to 5 years without requiring a contract extension, but I never said I assumed they would sign 5 year contracts/extensions.

And as I said we can agree to disagree. That means you stated how you feel, I stated how I feel, it's move on time.

Sure, no problem.

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport expects the Ravens to use the exclusive franchise tag on QB Lamar Jackson.​

Jackson and the Ravens haven't been close on a new deal, with the sides as far as $100 million apart in guaranteed money. The exclusive tag ($45M) would pay Jackson $12 million more than the regular franchise tag ($32M) and prevent him from negotiating with teams. Jackson isn't expected to play under the tag but it would buy the Ravens until July to reach an extension. Deshaun Watson's fully-guaranteed contract from the Browns last offseason has Baltimore in a standoff with Jackson. The Giants' contract with Daniel Jones and the Chargers' Justin Herbert extension should help set the stage for a Jackson deal.
SOURCE: Pat McAfee Show
Feb 10, 2023, 10:57 AM ET

 

[Buckna]

It's also kinda funny that Jackson's much better regular season record is considered less of a personal achievement while Watson's yards and TDs come in garbage time of blowout losses.

Texans made the playoffs 2 out of the 3 years Watson started the full year for them and he was 3-3 as a rookie starter before tearing his ACL. The only blowout loss his rookie season was his first game where he didn’t start and passed for exactly 102 yards after Tom Savage got benched.

Watson’s last season starting for them they were indeed terrible but they also had traded away Hopkins that off-season. He led the league in passing that year with his only weapon being Cooks who had been traded to his 4th team and a bunch of trash and no names like Randall Cobb and Keke Coutee.

 

[Faust]

Trade Lamar Jackson? Ravens plan to tag and keep QB, but could be tempted by big trade offer

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Trade Lamar Jackson? Ravens plan to tag and keep QB, but could be tempted by big trade offer

Saw a similar 'BREAKING NEWS' headline.
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Lamar Jackson Trade? BREAKING: Ravens ‘Tempted’ to Move QB
...NFL Network citing sources that say the Ravens will consider a trade in exchange for a “windfall of draft picks.”
... a team that could pull the trigger and make a move for Jackson is the Atlanta Falcons, who would receive a huge upgrade over Marcus Mariota and Desmond Ridder should they be able to execute a swap.

And what might that cost be? Call this an "educated guess'' on our part, but all involved might want to get used to the idea of Baltimore asking for three first-round picks in such a deal.

A trade would in theory include this year's No. 8 pick, and the excitement in Atlanta would be palpable, as Jackson would fit right into Atlanta's offensive identity, with tight end Kyle Pitts, who could mirror how the Ravens utilize Mark Andrews.
...The Ravens, though, just sprung a secrecy leak. … so a chance of losing Lamar is now officially an option

 

[Bracie Smathers]

One thing that I hadn't thought about but 'may' happen if Baltimore deals Jackson is how veteran players who are free agents might take the news.
One veteran player would not be pleased if the Ravens deal Lamar Jackson.
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Ravens DE Calais Campbell wants Lamar Jackson to return in 2023: 'He needs to stay in Baltimore'
... somebody might say 'give me five first-round picks or whatever' but who do you replace him with? There's no guarantee that one of these rookie quarterbacks will come in to be Lamar Jackson. You can go get a free agent and you really don't know how they are going to fit and really there are not free agents that are a Lamar Jackson. So, whatever we need to do Eric DeCosta I love you let's find a way to make this happen baby."
... Tom Pelissero and Mike Garafolo reported that the Ravens the Ravens will place the franchise tag on Jackson...
The Ravens have until March 7 to place a franchise tag on Jackson.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Eric Bieniemy Key to Keeping Lamar Jackson in Baltimore?
Story by Adam Schultz • 23m ago

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Eric Bieniemy Key to Keeping Lamar Jackson in Baltimore?
Story by Adam Schultz • 23m ago

Todd Monken Hired As Offensive Coordinator
...an experienced coach with a strong track record of success deploying a variety of different offenses and with extensive play-calling experience.
...Georgia's offense was humming the past two years with Monken calling the shots ...
...Monken did it using packages that suit the Ravens' current personnel and physical style well. Georgia's most common package was "12" personnel (one running back, two tight ends, and two wide receivers), which it ran on 59% of its plays ...
...Monken deployed more pass-heavy schemes that fit the personnel of the Buccaneers. In 2018, Monken helped Tampa Bay lead the NFL in passing offense (320.3 yards per game ...
...Monken also has a track record of coaching up wide receivers.
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Around the North: Ravens hire former Browns OC Todd Monken to same role
...Monken operated a top-ten offensive unit with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the NFL level as well. An air raid guru, expect the Ravens to add more verticality into their passing game in 2023 (which will require quite the overhaul in their wide receiver room).
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Hmnn, Monken was widely viewed as an air-raid guru in the NFL but with Georgia his base primarily was a 12 personnel run-heavy attack.
This hire can be seen as the Ravens sticking with their run-heavy attack or acquiring WRs and going with a pass heavy attack.
It is interesting that the Georgia QB that he worked with will be available in the draft and would not cost a first or even a second round draft pick.

 

[Bri]

I saw a graphic of the average length of mobile/athletic QB careers and....I gotta say it changes me from "pay the man" to "franchise that guy."
If you look and think on the list, so many absolutely plummeted shockingly fast from a star/up n comer to pfffft.

It even makes me wonder if the Ravens work on his pocket presence and try to groom him to be a pocket passer at 29 30years old or somesuch.

It's really a big monkey wrench to the "that's my guy" sentiment.

 

[habsfan]

I saw a graphic of the average length of mobile/athletic QB careers and....I gotta say it changes me from "pay the man" to "franchise that guy."
If you look and think on the list, so many absolutely plummeted shockingly fast from a star/up n comer to pfffft.

It even makes me wonder if the Ravens work on his pocket presence and try to groom him to be a pocket passer at 29 30years old or somesuch.

It's really a big monkey wrench to the "that's my guy" sentiment.

Pay him well... but not for too long.

 

[Chaka]

Not sure how I feel about the Monkey Monken signing. It's easy to look like a genius when you're the coordinator for Georgia.

He didn't extract a ton of upside from Jameis. To be fair having Dirk Koetter steering the ship didn't help, but still...

 

[Grahamburn]

 

[Chaka]

My bad. Stupid auto correct.

 

[Birdie048]

I saw a graphic of the average length of mobile/athletic QB careers and....I gotta say it changes me from "pay the man" to "franchise that guy."
If you look and think on the list, so many absolutely plummeted shockingly fast from a star/up n comer to pfffft.

It even makes me wonder if the Ravens work on his pocket presence and try to groom him to be a pocket passer at 29 30years old or somesuch.

It's really a big monkey wrench to the "that's my guy" sentiment.

IS Cam Newton and example of this? How fast he fell in his performance, but not in effort.

 

[Faust]

NBC Sports' Peter King believes the Jets could "seriously consider" trading for Lamar Jackson if they're unable to acquire Aaron Rodgers.​

In an appearance on The Rich Eisen Show, King said he believes the Jets' preferred option would be to trade for Rodgers. However, if they're unable to land Rodgers, he believes the next push could be for Jackson, whose future with the Ravens remains uncertain at best. Jackson and the Ravens are reportedly $100 million apart in contract negotiations, which could result in the team franchise tagging him for 2023. King also notes that if the Ravens do tag Jackson, they may opt for the non-exclusive franchise tag, which would allow other teams to negotiate a deal with Jackson in exchange for two first-round draft picks should the Ravens not match the offer.
RELATED:

• New York Jets

SOURCE: Rich Eisen Show on Twitter
Feb 16, 2023, 10:05 AM ET

 

[Dr. Octopus]

“seriously consider”

 

[Bri]

I saw a graphic of the average length of mobile/athletic QB careers and....I gotta say it changes me from "pay the man" to "franchise that guy."
If you look and think on the list, so many absolutely plummeted shockingly fast from a star/up n comer to pfffft.

It even makes me wonder if the Ravens work on his pocket presence and try to groom him to be a pocket passer at 29 30years old or somesuch.

It's really a big monkey wrench to the "that's my guy" sentiment.

IS Cam Newton and example of this? How fast he fell in his performance, but not in effort.

Sure

 

[fatness]

I saw a graphic of the average length of mobile/athletic QB careers and....I gotta say it changes me from "pay the man" to "franchise that guy."
If you look and think on the list, so many absolutely plummeted shockingly fast from a star/up n comer to pfffft.

I'd love to see this graphic, as well as a graphic of non-mobile/non-athletic QB careers.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Not sure how I feel about the Monkey Monken signing.

Ravens considered Lamar Jackson's previous advice before hiring OC Todd Monken, didn't directly involve QB
...the Ravens did use input from Jackson before hiring Todd Monken as the new offensive coordinator, according to CBS Sports HQ's Josina Anderson.

Adding to the report, CBS Sports NFL Insider Jonathan Jones says the Ravens, while keeping Jackson somewhat involved, "did not fully integrate" the quarterback into the hiring process for their new OC. In other words, it seems the Ravens wanted to make sure Jackson was aligned with their choice on the hire and that whoever took the job was in position to help him succeed, but also knew that it's possible he won't actually be with the team in the future.
...head coach John Harbaugh said he intended to keep Jackson "involved" in their search.
"I did ask Lamar about it, and he will be involved in it. I'll keep him abreast of what's going on, and I'm sure he'll have some input along the way," Harbaugh told reporters on Jan. 29.

 

[Faust]

BaltimoreRavens.com's Ryan Mink believes Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken will implement a "versatile" offensive scheme.​

Hired this month to take over a Baltimore offense headed by Greg Roman since 2019, Monken is widely expected to bring a more traditional, balanced offense to the Ravens in 2023. Monken implemented pass-heavy "air raid" offensive systems as the offensive coordinator for the Bucs and at Oklahoma State, while deploying a more run-heavy approach at Georgia over the past three seasons. His Georgia offense frequently used two tight end sets, a potential boon for Isaiah Likely and reason to believe Mark Andrews will remain the focal point of the team's passing offense. Monken's Georgia offense wasn't particularly good on the ground, ranking outside the top-35 in EPA per rush while posting top-three pass EPA numbers in 2022. "Overall, I think Monken will make the Ravens more balanced and capable of playing different ways," Mink said. "It's no secret that Baltimore has to improve its passing attack, and I think Monken will accomplish that."
RELATED:

• Todd Monken
• , Mark Andrews
• , J.K. Dobbins
• , Isaiah Likely

SOURCE: BaltimoreRavens.com
Feb 21, 2023, 12:39 PM ET

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Mouth, The Mad Dog and The Key discuss things

Stephen A. wouldn't give Lamar Jackson a fully-guaranteed deal 👀 | First Take

Stephen A. says the Ravens are being INCREDIBLY INSULTING: https://youtu.be/ofIAmL9CTdUStephen A. Smith, Chris "Mad Dog" Russo and Keyshawn Johnson discuss L...

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If I were Lamar Jackson, I would not want to live in Baltimore. I know many Ravens fans will get irritated with me but Jackson is from South Florida and I have to believe both NYC and Miami look like much better options to him from a day to day living. It's possible he just doesn't like having his coffee and breakfast in Baltimore vs walking the beach in South Florida.

Rumors starting of a very rich contract from the NY Jets.
$200M/4yrs mostly guaranteed, seems like an easy contract to hammer out.
What have the Ravens been offering him? I do not understand how he even played for what he did this year.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Rumors starting of a very rich contract from the NY Jets.
$200M/4yrs mostly guaranteed, seems like an easy contract to hammer out.

Rumors from where? That’s a sincere question.
It doesn’t make sense though. Why would contract numbers be discussed since Jackson isn’t even a free agent yet.

 

[menobrown]

Not sure how I feel about the Monkey Monken signing.

Ravens considered Lamar Jackson's previous advice before hiring OC Todd Monken, didn't directly involve QB
...the Ravens did use input from Jackson before hiring Todd Monken as the new offensive coordinator, according to CBS Sports HQ's Josina Anderson.

Adding to the report, CBS Sports NFL Insider Jonathan Jones says the Ravens, while keeping Jackson somewhat involved, "did not fully integrate" the quarterback into the hiring process for their new OC. In other words, it seems the Ravens wanted to make sure Jackson was aligned with their choice on the hire and that whoever took the job was in position to help him succeed, but also knew that it's possible he won't actually be with the team in the future.
...head coach John Harbaugh said he intended to keep Jackson "involved" in their search.
"I did ask Lamar about it, and he will be involved in it. I'll keep him abreast of what's going on, and I'm sure he'll have some input along the way," Harbaugh told reporters on Jan. 29.

Michael Lombardi on a podcast that aired last week said he could not verify if this was accurate only he had been hearing that when the Ravens interviewed prospective OC candidates they were told something to the extent that the Ravens were not promising or guaranteeing that Lamar would be on the team next year. Which is really just proper due diligence, but still interesting to me since they know they can retain him with the tag if they want.

 

[Tau837]

Rumors starting of a very rich contract from the NY Jets.
$200M/4yrs mostly guaranteed, seems like an easy contract to hammer out.

Rumors from where? That’s a sincere question.
It doesn’t make sense though. Why would contract numbers be discussed since Jackson isn’t even a free agent yet.

Well, it would presumaby be via a tag and trade. I assume it is fair game for teams to be discussing possible trades of veteran players right now... and, as you point out, Jackson is technically still under contract at the moment.

I think any team would be foolish to give him a guaranteed $200M contract over 4 years, so $50M per year guaranteed, while also trading away significant draft capital, like 2+ first round picks and more. If he returns to MVP form, stays mostly healthy, and the Jets make multiple deep playoff runs, maybe that trade works out... but that's what it would take, and it's a big gamble IMO.

 

[massraider]

The Mouth, The Mad Dog and The Key discuss things

Trying to think of what it would take for me to click that link.

 

[Chaka]

I assume it is fair game for teams to be discussing possible trades of veteran players right now...

Actually I don't think it is. The "legal tampering" period begins a couple days before free agency officially begins, I think 3/15 this year, but the unofficial tampering period begins on Monday at the combine. The League can pretend to not know it's happening because teams will want to have private meetings with agents representing rookies. No one can control, or at least plausibly ignore, what is discussed in those meetings. Prior to that the league would have to wonder why, for example, Geno Smith's agent was talking with the Jets.

How great of a story would Geno returning to the Jets be btw?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Rumors starting of a very rich contract from the NY Jets.
$200M/4yrs mostly guaranteed, seems like an easy contract to hammer out.

Rumors from where? That’s a sincere question.
It doesn’t make sense though. Why would contract numbers be discussed since Jackson isn’t even a free agent yet.

Russo is saying he wouldn't pay Jackson and I wholeheartedly disagree with him. Key was leading the charge feeling the Jets will poach him if given the opportunity even if he is franchise tagged.

I believe the Jets have some draft capital
I would hate playing in Baltimore, not my idea of a fun city.
Jackson is likely hoping they do franchise tag him and then like Keyshawn says, that phone gets shut off for any more Ravens phone calls.
The phone will be ringing off the hook from other teams wanting him.

I would ask LJax detractors, what stud WR have they gotten him?
Hurts has AJB
Tua has Tyreek and Waddle
Allen has Diggs
I bet Jackson would have out of this world numbers flinging it to Wilson and Moore, Jets have a stud at RB in the making, decent TEs that would look better with Jackson

i think the Jets would actually give him $300M but pundits stress the importance of the first 3-4 years so i said $200M.
Mahomes is going to be like the 8th highest paid after all these QBs settle their extensions, his deal will likely be redone and more guaranteed money added.

As a Miami fan, I hope you all sign Carr and that's the end of it but Jackson on the Jets is a strong Playoff team, maybe more.
My opinion

 

[massraider]

https://twitter.com/Flockville/status/1628188023765467139

In terms of Lamar's outlook if he stays in BAL, this is pretty big. The OC is talking about spread offense.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

i think the Jets would actually give him $300M but pundits stress the importance of the first 3-4 years so i said $200M.

So you’re the rumor?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

i think the Jets would actually give him $300M but pundits stress the importance of the first 3-4 years so i said $200M.

So you’re the rumor?

Do you really want to inflate my ego some more?
I wish I had that kind of influence.
I clearly linked a video that has lot of hot sound bites on the Ministry of Misinformation network
Welcome to listen to it all...or not.

-My personal view is Jackson wants out of Baltimore and I fully support his efforts if he wants out.
-My rumor mill would be one of Jackson coming to Miami, not the Jets. He'll be a nightmare for the Dolphins if he decides he wants to jump ship.
-I think the Jets can pull it off. This would be a bold move and one that would potentially put the Jets in the mix with the Final 4 in the AFC each year.

I don't see any way he could land in Miami but he's linked to wanting to be home in South Florida where he grew up. I bet many players wish for this, doesn't mean its happening.
LJ is slightly different and dances to his own beat. I think he's daring the Ravens to franchise tag him. I feel strongly teams will perk right up and go lock up a QB that is in his prime.
I think Jackson is a terrific QB and if given some of the weapons other QBs are paired with, he might elevate further. This guy was TNT coming out of Louisville and he's carried the Ravens to whatever victories they have had in the last 4-5 years, and yes he's had some injuries but the upside is there.

And Jackson sort of holds the cards now doesn't he? He doesn't have to sign nothing the Ravens put in front of him. Sure it would be very costly for a team to give up draft capital and give him $50M a year, but it's the NFL/Game of RISK and I think more than a couple teams would want to jump in and get him. I don't think that is a rumor at this point.

I gave you a lot more as you asked, I expect some feedback
Cheers!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Do you really want to inflate my ego some more?

I asked you where you’re seeing this rumor about the Jets making that huge offer and you gave me your opinion on what they’ll offer.

That link is talk radio hosts speculating/guessing. Not sure that’s a rumor that the Jets are making an offer like that.

I’m not trying to give you a hard time, I’m just confused where these rumors are coming from.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Do you really want to inflate my ego some more?

I asked you where you’re seeing this rumor about the Jets making that huge offer and you gave me your opinion on what they’ll offer.

That link is talk radio hosts speculating/guessing. Not sure that’s a rumor that the Jets are making an offer like that.

I’m not trying to give you a hard time, I’m just confused where these rumors are coming from.

I'll say ESPN in general as many of their talking heads are discussing it.
I saw Nick Wright on FS sitting in for Colin which is a massive upgrade I might add and he was discussing much of this on his show.
I think its natural with a big market like New York for the media to jump on it.
I'm sure you are going to hear more and more about this in the coming days and weeks until Jackson either signs an extension or dares them to franchise tag him.

If I can find some links with some better reporting, I'll post/link them in here.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'll say ESPN in general as many of their talking heads are discussing it.

This is probably a semantics argument that’s not worth going into but “talking heads” filling screen time by speculating is not a legit rumor that a team will do or is planning on doing something. It’s “guesses” or “opinions”.

I haven’t heard one leak of interest from the Jets, and it’s silly to say what they’re willing to pay a guy that isn’t even on the market - and very unlikely to hit the market. Baltimore is going to sign him and keep him.

 

[Ghost Rider]

ESPN talking heads talk to hear their heads rattle and to spit out hot takes. No one should take them seriously.

Anyone asking, "why haven't the Ravens given Lamar a stud WR?", is either being dishonest or has their head in the sand, as the many rumors have been out there that WRs have not wanted to come to Baltimore because of how run-heavy their offense is (WRs are getting big money now, and you aren't gonna put up big stats to get that big contract playing in a run-heavy offense where the TE has always been the main passing option).

 

[-OZ-]

Rumors starting of a very rich contract from the NY Jets.
$200M/4yrs mostly guaranteed, seems like an easy contract to hammer out.

Rumors from where? That’s a sincere question.
It doesn’t make sense though. Why would contract numbers be discussed since Jackson isn’t even a free agent yet.

Well, it would presumaby be via a tag and trade. I assume it is fair game for teams to be discussing possible trades of veteran players right now... and, as you point out, Jackson is technically still under contract at the moment.

I think any team would be foolish to give him a guaranteed $200M contract over 4 years, so $50M per year guaranteed, while also trading away significant draft capital, like 2+ first round picks and more. If he returns to MVP form, stays mostly healthy, and the Jets make multiple deep playoff runs, maybe that trade works out... but that's what it would take, and it's a big gamble IMO.

Seems like a better gamble than Watson.
that’s a low bar. But also what he seems to be using as a comp.

 

[-OZ-]

ESPN talking heads talk to hear their heads rattle and to spit out hot takes. No one should take them seriously.

Anyone asking, "why haven't the Ravens given Lamar a stud WR?", is either being dishonest or has their head in the sand, as the many rumors have been out there that WRs have not wanted to come to Baltimore because of how run-heavy their offense is (WRs are getting big money now, and you aren't gonna put up big stats to get that big contract playing in a run-heavy offense where the TE has always been the main passing option).

Andrews, Bateman, likely and Duvernay are better than some teams have.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@Dr. Octopus

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler and Jamison Hensley from ESPN.com
"According to a source with knowledge of Jackson's contract negotiations,
all of his counteroffers to the Ravens last year were for fully guaranteed contracts
that exceeded that of Deshaun Watson"

Jackson is demanding more than Watson, that's the baseline of where his negotiations start.
Floodgates if it starts to look like Jackson is on the potential trade block
Outstanding!

 

[massraider]

Andrews, Bateman , likely and Duvernay are better than some teams have.

Bears, Georgia Tech, DeVry Institute............

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lamar Jackson's Instagram Story 1 hour ago... "new_era8"

No Matter how much
genuine love you show
It'll never be enough so
it .

The snowman is really the cold face emoji but it won't take for some reason so I put the snowman in.
Seems like he 's ready to give the Ravens the cold shoulder
The guy has a $250M lottery ticket in his hands right now, call the ball Maverick

 

[-OZ-]

Andrews, Bateman , likely and Duvernay are better than some teams have.

Bears, Georgia Tech, DeVry Institute............

I’d take it over the titans receivers. Although I do THINK Chig can become a top TE.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

@Dr. Octopus

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler and Jamison Hensley from ESPN.com
"According to a source with knowledge of Jackson's contract negotiations,
all of his counteroffers to the Ravens last year were for fully guaranteed contracts
that exceeded that of Deshaun Watson"

Jackson is demanding more than Watson, that's the baseline of where his negotiations start.
Floodgates if it starts to look like Jackson is on the potential trade block
Outstanding!

What does this have to do with the Jets? I feel like I'm getting trolled here to be honest. I know you're not but your responses aren't actually responsive.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@Dr. Octopus

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler and Jamison Hensley from ESPN.com
"According to a source with knowledge of Jackson's contract negotiations,
all of his counteroffers to the Ravens last year were for fully guaranteed contracts
that exceeded that of Deshaun Watson"

Jackson is demanding more than Watson, that's the baseline of where his negotiations start.
Floodgates if it starts to look like Jackson is on the potential trade block
Outstanding!

What does this have to do with the Jets? I feel like I'm getting trolled here to be honest. I know you're not but your responses aren't actually responsive.

Can we agree that the Jets are actively looking for a QB?
I don't even want to discuss the guy coming out of darkness, think we both know he's a bad idea.
I'm not saying Carr couldn't do well in New York, but if a QB in his prime is on the market or forcing his way out, my feelings are the Jets would jump to the front of the line
And I base that on much of the rumor mill and things that point to big problems behind the scenes in Baltimore.
Just the fact he is going to watch several QBs get extended right after 36 months and here is close to the 60th Month is going to drive some of this.

I'm not trolling you D/O, I wouldn't do that

 

[massraider]

You keep watching all that garbage sports radio TV, it's gonna affect your mood.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Can we agree that the Jets are actively looking for a QB?

Yes, but this is another non-sequitur.


All I'm asking for is a link to the "rumors" you stated in this post:

Rumors starting of a very rich contract from the NY Jets.
$200M/4yrs mostly guaranteed, seems like an easy contract to hammer out.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Hadn't thought of a connection with Lamar's injury and missing games last yerr to a 'potential' absence from OTAs and/or TC this year.
Last year, Lamar became increasing frustrated. Early last year he was killing it and liked tweets that said to pay him. Then he struggled and uncharacteristically snapped at a teammate in a game, he threw his helmet on the sidelines in another game, then lashed out at fans who criticized him for wanting a big contract after a loss.
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Lamar Jackson, the Baltimore Ravens and an awkward year in limbo
... signs of a return weren't evident. Some in the building were concerned when Jackson didn't practice at all during Week 18. Over recent weeks, Jackson had attended quarterback meetings but wasn't a fixture in team settings as he rehabbed in relative isolation, according to team sources.
... all Ravens personnel interviewed by ESPN considered Jackson's injury legitimate, a few wondered whether a new contract ...
...Jackson seemed to be more on edge. He got in the face of teammate Ronnie Stanley in a Week 9 win in New Orleans, after the left tackle told him to relax following a penalty. In the same game, Jackson threw his helmet down on the sideline multiple times...
...Jackson's leverage is in doing nothing. If given the exclusive franchise tag, he can wait to sign -- or not report to the team at all, ...
..."It could become a standoff, because I wouldn't expect him to sign the tag for a while," an AFC exec said. "And [the Ravens] will be so far apart in the guaranteed money."
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Jamison Hensley
@jamisonhensley
New Ravens OC Todd Monken on the challenge of getting Lamar Jackson to learn new system if he skips the offseason workouts and training camp: "Sure, he'll be behind. But it's still just football. We'll cater to waht he knows and we'll play."
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If he doesn't report for OTAs and/or TC, he'll struggle to learn the new offense if he eventually signs late.
I think this could happen because I don't see this getting resolved soon.

 

[ffmail4me]

I REALLY hope he ends up in Altanta. I think it would be fantastic. (I own Pitts and London shares)

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Dianna Russini reports Lamar Jackson is receiving "guidance" from the NFLPA in his ongoing contract negotiations with the Ravens.​

Through his first five years in the league, Jackson has famously operated without an agent. While he continues to work out a contract negotiation without an agent, Russini says Jackson "is not negotiating alone" as the NFLPA has been assisting him in his efforts to work out a deal with the Ravens this offseason. Arguably the most interesting contract negotiation of any that will take place this offseason, Jackson and the Ravens are reportedly $100 million apart at this time, which could ultimately lead to the team franchise tagging him before the start of the season. Whether or not Jackson would play on the tag is another question that's yet to be answered, as the Ravens could look to trade him for a substantial haul if he threatens to hold out.
SOURCE: Dianna Russini on Twitter
Feb 23, 2023, 11:03 AM ET