Terpman22
Footballguy
ATL
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter massraider
- Start date
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Brilliant move, Ravens.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Could be wrong but I think there is a 7 day window to match once an offer is accepted by Lamar and Lamar's agent, who is Lamar.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Question:
If the Ravens decide not to match do the picks have to be in subsequent years, or could the Texans/Lions decide to offer their two 1sts this year?
If the Ravens decide not to match do the picks have to be in subsequent years, or could the Texans/Lions decide to offer their two 1sts this year?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ok so question. Let's say the Falcons want to sign him.
Can they trade down to pick 31 first?
Does it have to be a teams own 1st?
Can they trade down to pick 31 first?
Does it have to be a teams own 1st?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Pretty much a no-lose situation for them. Either Jackson comes back humbled a bit or they get two first round picks - and they still could just match whatever he signs with another team.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Right but is there a cutoff date for offers
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Could potentially match it and then trade him for more.
Good one. Wasn't even thinking of the Falcons. Was thinking of Carolina. Everything I've read is the owner is desperate to make a splash at QB. And as a hater of the patriots I would love to see him go to the Jets. Come on Woody, go for it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Giants?? Lol
Chaka
Footballguy
It has to be their original pick.
For example the Dolphins cannot offer him a contract until after the draft because they do not have a their original 2023 draft pick. After the draft they are back in play because they have their 2024 & 2025 picks available.
The Lions could sign him but it would be for the #18 draft pick, not the #6 they acquired from the Rams plus their 2024 first round pick.
Maybe- teams could try to structure a contract so it would be nearly impossible for the Ravens to match. It's definitely a gutsy call and comes with risk.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Theres upside as well. The picks they get perhaps can land them a rookie QB they like if they love up, and not 55 million a year.
-OZ-
Footballguy
even if they could, why the #### would either team give both current firsts? Especially Houston.
Although I’d think the ravens could trade both future firsts for one of the teams current picks.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If they’re considering paying Jones $45MM, why not?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Didn’t they outlaw poison pill insertions a few years back?
I guess there’s some risk that they’re willing to take then. Worst case scenario they have two extra firsts (even if late) and more cap space.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Falcons are out
Of course, I've made it clear that I'd rather they traded him than give him an insane amount of guaranteed money, just saying they may not be able to match a deal.
The blatantly obvious ones, yes, but the Ravens aren't in great shape with the cap so a team that is could potentially give him a deal that they couldn't match (without gutting their team).
Yes, that is worst case, although I think that would be a decent amount worse than just dealing him outright.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Lamar must really not be doing well as his own agent.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I know the Raiders did that awhile back, not sure if that loophole was addressed or not. If not, then a team could drop back to 31 make an enormous offer that the Ravens couldn't match.
Furthermore, if a team held a high pick and then traded to the back of the draft they could 'theoretically' pick up an additional 1st round next year paying off the trade.
Again, I'm not sure if that loophole had been addressed.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Joe Person
@josephperson
Scott Fitterer certainly will discuss and has discussed Lamar Jackson b/c that's what he does. But Panthers are not expected to be in the Jackson market, per league sources.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure, I’m surprised it got this far.
And I suppose the “poison pill” could be a team willing to guarantee in full - something the Ravens did not want to do. Obviously they could change their mind and match.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Tony Jefferson II
@_tonyjefferson
My opinion.. Lamar will be a raven - they’ll let the market dictate his contract. I also believe they’ll match any offer he accepts. 2 1st round picks is simply not enough to replace his rare talent & his value to the franchise. Raven fans it will work out. Just my opinion
-----------------------
Jeff Zrebiec
@jeffzrebiec
Lamar Jackson can now sign an offer sheet with another team as late as the Tuesday following Week 10 of the season. However, after July 17, he'd only be able to sign a 1-year deal with the Ravens or anybody else.
------------------
Dale Lolley
@dlolley_pgh
The Daniel Jones deal complicates the Lamar Jackson situation. $40 million for Jones and Lamar's supposed to be happy on the non-exclusive franchise tag of $32 and change?
@_tonyjefferson
My opinion.. Lamar will be a raven - they’ll let the market dictate his contract. I also believe they’ll match any offer he accepts. 2 1st round picks is simply not enough to replace his rare talent & his value to the franchise. Raven fans it will work out. Just my opinion
-----------------------
Jeff Zrebiec
@jeffzrebiec
Lamar Jackson can now sign an offer sheet with another team as late as the Tuesday following Week 10 of the season. However, after July 17, he'd only be able to sign a 1-year deal with the Ravens or anybody else.
------------------
Dale Lolley
@dlolley_pgh
The Daniel Jones deal complicates the Lamar Jackson situation. $40 million for Jones and Lamar's supposed to be happy on the non-exclusive franchise tag of $32 and change?
jabarony
Footballguy
As someone completely indifferent to the Ravens or LJax, I'm glad they tagged him this way. It should be interesting.This is going to be awkwardly awesome when another team isnt willing to pay what he wants + 2 first rounders.
Atlanta seemed like they could not wait to let it be known they were out.
Early reports are not looking like Carolina gearing up. Same for Washington.
Jet's busy wooing Rodgers.
A few Raiders beat writers saying Mark does not have money to escrow for Lamar.
Easy to think Ravens concluded after the combine that Lamar's market was not as hot as he thinks. Only takes one team but so far they might be on to something.
What's his market? Miami who I think has big time cap issues but it's where Lamar would like to play. Tons of other teams would like him I'm sure, but who is going to step up with $230M or more guaranteed and the two #1's?
Miami, even if it meant they would not have a first round pick until 2026 would in theory pay the least as they'd only have to give up future #1's, in 24 and 25. On the other hand the teams picking in top 5 who need a QB, like Houston and the Colts, you'd think they'd be more reluctant.
I think when this is said and done people will speculate the NFL owners colluded to squash any notion they are ready to start handing out fully guaranteed big money deals. In other words Lamar is not going to come close to that is what I think, not what I know.
Early reports are not looking like Carolina gearing up. Same for Washington.
Jet's busy wooing Rodgers.
A few Raiders beat writers saying Mark does not have money to escrow for Lamar.
Easy to think Ravens concluded after the combine that Lamar's market was not as hot as he thinks. Only takes one team but so far they might be on to something.
What's his market? Miami who I think has big time cap issues but it's where Lamar would like to play. Tons of other teams would like him I'm sure, but who is going to step up with $230M or more guaranteed and the two #1's?
Miami, even if it meant they would not have a first round pick until 2026 would in theory pay the least as they'd only have to give up future #1's, in 24 and 25. On the other hand the teams picking in top 5 who need a QB, like Houston and the Colts, you'd think they'd be more reluctant.
I think when this is said and done people will speculate the NFL owners colluded to squash any notion they are ready to start handing out fully guaranteed big money deals. In other words Lamar is not going to come close to that is what I think, not what I know.
facook
Footballguy
Thanks. Noted NFL-adjacent blowhard Michael Lombardi swore up and down yesterday Lamar wants to play in Miami, but I could not figure out how that deal could work.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Partly - but this was smart for them because with LJax representing himself (with the NFLPA reportedly helping him) and the chasm between the two sides, this potentially allows a team to successfully negotiate with him, then the Ravens matching it - letting everyone else do the work for them to get to a workable deal.
And if it’s too much, ah well thanks for the 2 firsts.
Matthew Berry speculated that Snyder might give him a massive guaranteed deal (that he wouldn’t be around to pay) as a stick in the eye to the rest of the NFL owners/business for ousting him. That would get interesting.
facook
Footballguy
Even worse, he's being advised by the NFLPA and Demaurice Smith. They are using this case as a leverage point to insist on more guaranteed money in player contracts and are using Watson's contract as leverage to essentially say that Lamar will be letting down the entire union if he compromises.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Hate to admit it, but Ravens made a good move. Now what sucker is gonna give up 2 ones for him? And have to negotiate with him for $50M a year? Get a high enough pick over the next 2 years to get a QB, use the other to get a WR and move on spending that money on any/all other positions. They tried, it didnt work out, both sides can move on.
Lombardi is a blow hard, but also a great source of insider info when he gives it. I think he's right, that's where Lamar wants to go.
But I did not see Chaka's earlier post and I did not know that Miami could not sign him until after the draft. Can they talk terms with him before though right and agree on framework of a deal they'd sign after the draft? And of course Baltimore can agree to trade him to Miami if they or Lamar want to move this along.
I was just looking at Miami's cap situation, and they have a lot of players to sign, and there is likely a way but it's going to take a lot of work to fit in Lamar and for sure highly complicates the situation if they don't agree with Baltimore on a trade and risk seeing them match their offer sheet.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Perhaps the players association should worry more about raising the league minimum rather than cater to the few guys who get stupid money.
facook
Footballguy
Lombardi does often have good nuggets. Just ignore his draft input. He's been used by teams to publicize false team plans for a few years now (and cost me enough money the first year for me not to remember it).
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Well... They certainly have been building a war chest for a big move, unloading contracts left and right to have the second most available cap space this morning at over $65 million.
--------
With the Atlanta Falcons cutting Marcus Mariota, the Lamar Jackson coming to the Dirty South rumors are out in full force.
...Releasing Marcus Mariota creates another $12M for the Falcons in cap space.
Atlanta is now armed with close to $65M in cap space in 2023, second most in the NFL..
------
Just now, they just let the best FA O-Lineman go instead of resigning him.
Kaleb McGary now hits free agency after the Atlanta Falcons neglected to use the franchise tag on him.
...According to Spotrac, McGary is set to receive a four-year, $70.9 million contract this offseason, and his play in 2022 certainly warrants that price tag.
-------------------------------
Even with reports the Falcons aren't interested, actions speak louder.
------------------------------
Matt Lombardo
@MattLombardoNFL
As others have suggested, #Falcons’ interest in Lamar Jackson is very real “The #Ravens’ Lamar Jackson deal talks with Atlanta progressed tremendously in Indy,” I’m told More, plus scout’s take on how Jackson would elevate ATL’s offense |
@HeavyOnSports
https://heavy.com/sports/baltimore-ravens/lamar-jackson-atlanta-falcons-talks-intensifying-sources/
It's risky business, might be brilliant of them, maybe not but I'm starting to think it is smart business even if a little risky. Most people think they could get more then 2 #1's if they just traded him. Instead they risk being backed into a corner of only getting two #1's or matching the kind of offer that blows away anything they were going to give.
My early guess is neither of these happen. If Lamar and another team agree on terms. Baltimore will ask for more then 2 #1's to not match. Baltimore is tired of messing around with this and is telling Lamar go find out your market and we'll either pay it or trade you. That part seems cut and dry to me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I feel like the most likely outcome is a hybrid of those things.
Another team successfully negotiates with them and they match the offer.
Ends the headache and they keep their QB. I doubt any team offers him a Watson type deal - Cleveland has already done it, so they’re out of the equation.
On a related note, I wonder how hard CLE is kicking themselves since they could have had LJax had they just waited a year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If they didn't do the Watson deal, is Ljax doing this same thing?I feel like the most likely outcome is a hybrid of those things.
Another team successfully negotiates with them and they match the offer.
Ends the headache and they keep their QB. I doubt any team offers him a Watson type deal - Cleveland has already done it, so they’re out of the equation.
On a related note, I wonder how hard CLE is kicking themselves since they could have had LJax had they just waited a year.
At the time Watson was signed, immediately people were talking about how hilarious it will be with Ljax and Burrow.
So no,we wouldn't be getting Ljax
I would not for one second assume they'd rather not have Watson.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That too.
I'd rather have Watson
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
This morning career journeyman Geno Smith inked a 3 year $105 million contract followed by Derek Carr's 4 year $150 million. An hour ago Danny Dimes got 4 years for $160 million which begs the question.
Do people actually think Lamar Jackson is going to sign the $32 million the Ravens offered them?
People are patting the Ravens on the butt telling them how brilliant they are. OK, we'll see how this turns out, lol.
Do people actually think Lamar Jackson is going to sign the $32 million the Ravens offered them?
People are patting the Ravens on the butt telling them how brilliant they are. OK, we'll see how this turns out, lol.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
What exactly should they have done differently?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Weird take.
Alternate take: another team will now do all the work for them to negotiate a deal., or they get 2x 1sts.
Brilliant. Butt pats well deserved.
Last edited:
The Ravens can actually pay him more then that, it can be negotiated.
I don't think things will get to this point but if Ravens held firm at $32M and Lamar did not get a contract offer he wanted to sign what's his options? Sit like Bell and just get $0 instead? That hardly seems like a viable option to me.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
This needs more love. I think if the NFL pushes Snyder out he will give them the finger by doing just that. I would. fully guaranteed ala watson to screw the qb market forever
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Would he have to put all his own money in escrow then?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Collusion party going on here.
Chaka
Footballguy
He really isn't doing himself any favors, that's for sure.
Florio made a great observation pointing out that Lamar doesn't have any major, national endorsement deals either. Pretty surprising for a League MVP and one of the most entertaining and dynamic QBs I'm the league.
Similar threads
